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JVector:
Does it mean the bible is written for the jews sir

PastorKun:
There is nothing sacred about church tithing. Tithing as it is preached and practised today is derived from fraudulently twisting biblical tithes instructed to the Jews and mis applying it to the church. There is not one single scripture in the whole bible instructing believers to tithe money from their income. Tithing from income is derived from twisting God's word and we all know it is a sin to twist God's word.

naijadeyhia:
The verse most often cited in support of the tithe
is from the Old Testament, found in Malachi
3:8-10 :
8. ""Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you
ask, `How do we rob you?' "In tithes and
offerings. 9. You are under a curse--the whole
nation of you--because you are robbing me. 10.
Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that
there may be food in my house. Test me in this,"
says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not
throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out
so much blessing that you will not have room
enough for it.
Many preachers shorten Malachi 3:8-10 to just
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" , and
almost always with the inference that their
church is the "storehouse". For purposes of this
paper, the Lord had me concentrate on the
passage: "Bring the whole tithe into the
storehouse, that there may be food in my house" .
From that passage, the Lord had me research
several questions:
1) What is the tithe?
2) What was the tithe for?
3) What is the storehouse?
1) What is the tithe? The tithe is 10% of the
increase, established in Leviticus 27:30-33 as an
offering Holy to the Lord. The scripture identifies
the tithe as grain and fruit, herd and flock. The
tithe is food! An example of the tithe can be seen
in a shepherd with a flock of 100 sheep who is
blessed with the birth of 50 lambs in the spring.
Five of the lambs must be offered to the Lord as
a tithe. The tithe was brought to the temple in
Jerusalem in acknowledgement and appreciation of
God’s provision for His people.
2) What was the tithe for? God doesn’t need the
food – God doesn’t eat. God doesn’t desire
sacrifices or offerings ( Psalm 40:6 and Hosea
6:6 ) – He desires mercy. God doesn’t need us to
give Him a 10th of everything – when He already
owns everything ( Psalm 24:1 and Job 41:11b ). The
tithe was used to feed the Levite priests (and
their families) who were required to work in the
temple day and night ministering to God on behalf
of God’s people ( 1 Chronicles 9:33 ). Without the
tithe, the Levite priests would have needed to
raise their own food, thereby taking them away
from ministering before God. Hence the reference
in Malachi 3:10 "…that there may be food in my
house" . Nehemiah 13:10-13 records a time when
the Levite priests were not receiving the tithe
wherein they abandoned their daily temple
responsibilities to work the farms to feed their
families. The reference to ‘robbing God’ in Malachi
3:8 is in fact robbing God of ministry and worship
by failing to take care of God’s priests through
the tithe of food items. Unlike the other tribes of
Israel who were given land as their inheritance,
the Levites were not given any land – only a few
cities in which to live. God was their inheritance (
Numbers 18:20-21 ). Thus, the remaining tribes
were obligated to provide the Levites with food
since they had no land on which to grow their own.
3) What is the storehouse? 2 Chronicles 31 teaches
that the storehouse is the Temple in Jerusalem.
When the tithe was re-instituted under King
Hezekiah, the king gave orders to prepare
storerooms in the temple to hold the tithe.
Apparently the grain "tithe" was heaped up in the
streets, which caused a traffic jam of sorts. King
Hezekiah had the storehouse built to relieve a bad
case of urban congestion in ancient Jerusalem.
Having established the original purpose of the
tithe, the Lord prompted me with several more
questions.
Q: "What happened to the temple (storehouse)?"
A: It was destroyed in 70AD and has not been
rebuilt.
Q: "Why?"
A: The old covenant system of animal sacrifice to
atone for sin is finished. The new covenant is in
the blood of Christ who is the final and
everlasting sin sacrifice.
Q: "Where is the temple now?"
A: 1 Corinthians 6:19 says WE are the temple of
the Holy Spirit. God no longer resides in a stone
temple, but in the hearts of his children through
the Holy Spirit.
Q: "What happened to the Levite priests?"
A: The Levite priesthood is no longer necessary as
the old covenant system of animal sacrifice in the
temple was superceded by the everlasting
covenant of Christ’s blood.
Q: "Who is the priesthood now?"
A: 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 says those who have received
Jesus as Lord and Savior are the priesthood.
Come On Laity, Let’s Do The Twist
Burdening the Body of Christ with the Tithe
requires several twists and reinterpretations of
scripture.
1) The tithe must be imported from the OT law of
Moses to the new covenant of grace by Christ’s
blood.
2) The tithe must be redefined from "flocks,
herds, fruit and grain" to "money" and often
"time".
3) The storehouse must be redefined from the
temple in Jerusalem to the local church building.
4) The Body of Christ must buy into the ordained
clergy as the new priesthood, thereby replacing
the Levite priesthood as the rightful recipient of
the tithe.
5) The Body of Christ must forfeit their own
priesthood and buy into the notion that they are
the "laity".
The tithe has been introduced to the Body of
Christ using 2 tactics of the enemy.
1) Sowing guilt and shame into the Body of Christ
by quoting Malachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet
you rob me. But you ask, `How do we rob you?' In
tithes and offerings." What devoted Christian
wants to rob God? The net effect of sowing guilt
has been to extort money from the Body of Christ,
thereby robbing the Body of the joy and blessing
of giving as God leads. The practice ignores Paul’s
instructions to the church at Corinth: "Each man
should give what he has decided in his heart to
give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God
loves a cheerful giver ( 2 Corinthians 9:7 )."
2) Blaming the "laity" for the financial troubles in
the Body of Christ , by telling the Body they are
not blessed by God because they do not tithe.
Often Malachi 3:10 is emphasized "Test me in this,
says the LORD Almighty, and see if I will not
throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out
so much blessing that you will not have room
enough for it." In so doing, believers are
challenged to tithe, with the promise that God will
bless them if they do. Such giving is not out of love
for God, but out of selfishness. It implies a reward
for works, which contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 , and
completely ignores our status as sons of God by
faith in Christ ( Galatians 3:26 ) and joint heirs of
God with Christ ( Romans 8:17 ). The practice also
ignores Christ’s words in Matthew 4:7 "Do not put
the Lord your God to the test" .
The Apostles Did Not Teach Gentiles To Tithe
Acts 15:1-31 records a dispute over circumcision
that arose in the Gentile church at Antioch.
Several false brothers had attempted to require
Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians to be circumcised.
Paul and Barnabas sharply opposed the false
brothers and traveled to Jerusalem to discuss the
issue of circumcision with the other apostles. In
Jerusalem, they reported the miracles and
conversions among the Gentiles. The apostles were
filled with joy over God’s work there, and they
agreed that circumcision was not a requirement
for salvation. Following the meeting, the apostles
and elders in the church at Jerusalem sent Paul
and Barnabas back to Antioch with a letter of
welcome to the Gentile Christians. The essential
text of the letter is found in Acts 15:28-29 . It
reads: "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us
not to burden you with anything beyond the
following requirements: You are to abstain from
food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat
of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.
You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."
The apostles did not want to burden the Gentiles
with Old Testament practices! The proof is in their
letter to the Gentiles and the fact that the
apostles did not impose the tithe on them.
Come, Let Us Reason Together ( Isaiah 1:18 )
Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Jesus
had commanded us to continue tithing. It would be
appropriate then to use the tithe to feed the
priesthood as originally purposed. Who then is the
priesthood? The apostle Peter writes in 1 Peter 2:5
and 9 that every believer is a priest ! Hebrews 5-8
also teaches us that Jesus is the only priest that
we need . However the institutional church has
borrowed from the Old Testament model of the
Levitical Priesthood, thereby establishing a new
priesthood (ordained clergy) that is separate from
the rest of the Body of Christ. The division
between the clergy, and the so-called "laity" is
not Biblical (Is this the doctrine of the Nicolaitan’s
that Jesus says He hates in Revelation 2:6 ) ?In
fact, Jesus did not establish the ordained clergy –
He chose fishermen and tax collectors to preach
His gospel. Neither did He establish division in His
church, He desires unity ( John 17:20-23 ). The
apostles did not set up an ordained clergy – they
chose men full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom to
serve the Body ( Acts 6:3 , 1 Timothy 3 ). This man-
made division between "clergy" and "laity" has
effectively served to divert the offerings of the
Body of Christ away from the people it is intended
to bless and the offerings are most often used in
ways contrary to the will of God. The net result
has been starvation and financial bondage for
many believers, and the real priesthood – the
whole Body of Christ – has not been prepared to
carry out Christ’s command to preach the gospel to
all nations!
Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh ( John 1:14 ).
He knew that Malachi 3:10 says "bring the whole
tithe into the storehouse" when He instructed the
rich man to sell everything and give the proceeds
to the poor ( Matthew 19:21 ). I imagine the
Scribes and Pharisees about choked on what Jesus
said as they were in the habit of devouring widow’s
houses for profit ( Luke 20:47 ) and the rich man’s
possessions would have been a real feast for them.
In Matthew 25:31-46 , Jesus reiterated His desire
to help the poor in the parable of separating the
sheep from goats, wherein at judgement Jesus will
reward those who feed the hungry and clothe the
poor. Since Jesus judges us for our care of the poor
and hungry, and since He commands us to preach
the gospel throughout the world, why is most of our
giving used for church buildings and salaries with
only a small percentage devoted to the poor,
missions and evangelism?
Is the church making goats out of us by not
feeding the hungry and clothing the poor with our
offerings?
Let’s not wait until the Judgement of Christ to
find out!

vooks:
Certified board idi0t..
Charity is not a right he is entitled to

mrlaw93:
Pls read between the lines..

waldigit:
I understand very well that emphasis on tithe has been high jacked very well in todays church for personal benefit.
But the question arises again are, if nobody is on full time in Gods business will not affect our mandate to take the gospel to all nations before the end shall come?
Then if some pple hav to be in it on full time basis, how do we renumerate such pple without paying tithe.
NB
Jesus created treasury dpt. In His ministry ably manned by Judas

StarBoard:
I've bern unable to attend service for 3 consecutive sundays due to a combo of factors.
these people who know me by my tithe number but nit by name have not bothered to ask me what is preventing me from Sunday worship.
No calls or text from even members of the group I belong to.
It is a shame because I sort of identify with what the complainant is getting at.
Forget the issue of tithing and wanting it back. to these so called pastors im just another tithe number. When there is a need for you to contribute to they will start bombarding you with texts and calls, even showing up at your doorstep at odd and inconvenient times.
They start assaulting your sensibilities with all kinds of strategy of blackmail to extract cash from you for their so-called need.
Case in point:
Early last year Daddy GO wanted to movehis school to Ede, what did he do?He instructed his parishes to collect an additional "tithe". They shifted pastors within zones so as to lighten the burden of familiarity on them and thus convince the congregation to give.
It's debatable that you should pay tithe in the first place as a Believer yet some old man wants to levy you an additional 10% to "solve" what is essentially his personal issue.


Back to the issue. if you are looking for succour from thr church when in need,you might want to think again. RCCG is more concerned with how much a parish cam generate hence they go about this senseless church planting,not minding what kind of doctrine is being peddled from such churches or the quality of individuals raised in these churches. They simply care about how much your pocket is worth to them.

I just pity the guy who is threatening to sue because nothing is going to come out of it. these churches have sdopted positions where they can be seen as government friendly to avoid taxation and possible litigation (I.e. the TB Joshua case).

waldigit:
I understand very well that emphasis on tithe has been high jacked very well in todays church for personal benefit.
But the question arises again are, if nobody is on full time in Gods business will not affect our mandate to take the gospel to all nations before the end shall come?
Then if some pple hav to be in it on full time basis, how do we renumerate such pple without paying tithe.
NB
Jesus created treasury dpt. In His ministry ably manned by Judas

asodeboyede:
UNBELIEVABLY BELIEVABLE!

Unbelievably: because it's quite strange!
Believable : because I think the man actually said it!

We must realise that when God promises us blessings in return for our tithes, such blessings transcends all what our seemingly limited human brain can absorb! It is beyond monetary growth! Until we come to the glare and fundamental meaning of God's blessings, we would still continue to hold Him a liar! I think the said man was not taught enough or was only being rude by growing a thick skin to this TRUTH!

naijadeyhia:
The verse most often cited in support of the tithe
is from the Old Testament, found in Malachi
3:8-10 :
8. ""Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you
ask, `How do we rob you?' "In tithes and
offerings. 9. You are under a curse--the whole
nation of you--because you are robbing me. 10.
Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that
there may be food in my house. Test me in this,"
says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not
throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out
so much blessing that you will not have room
enough for it.
Many preachers shorten Malachi 3:8-10 to just
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" , and
almost always with the inference that their
church is the "storehouse". For purposes of this
paper, the Lord had me concentrate on the
passage: "Bring the whole tithe into the
storehouse, that there may be food in my house" .
From that passage, the Lord had me research
several questions:
1) What is the tithe?
2) What was the tithe for?
3) What is the storehouse?
1) What is the tithe? The tithe is 10% of the
increase, established in Leviticus 27:30-33 as an
offering Holy to the Lord. The scripture identifies
the tithe as grain and fruit, herd and flock. The
tithe is food! An example of the tithe can be seen
in a shepherd with a flock of 100 sheep who is
blessed with the birth of 50 lambs in the spring.
Five of the lambs must be offered to the Lord as
a tithe. The tithe was brought to the temple in
Jerusalem in acknowledgement and appreciation of
God’s provision for His people.
2) What was the tithe for? God doesn’t need the
food – God doesn’t eat. God doesn’t desire
sacrifices or offerings ( Psalm 40:6 and Hosea
6:6 ) – He desires mercy. God doesn’t need us to
give Him a 10th of everything – when He already
owns everything ( Psalm 24:1 and Job 41:11b ). The
tithe was used to feed the Levite priests (and
their families) who were required to work in the
temple day and night ministering to God on behalf
of God’s people ( 1 Chronicles 9:33 ). Without the
tithe, the Levite priests would have needed to
raise their own food, thereby taking them away
from ministering before God. Hence the reference
in Malachi 3:10 "…that there may be food in my
house" . Nehemiah 13:10-13 records a time when
the Levite priests were not receiving the tithe
wherein they abandoned their daily temple
responsibilities to work the farms to feed their
families. The reference to ‘robbing God’ in Malachi
3:8 is in fact robbing God of ministry and worship
by failing to take care of God’s priests through
the tithe of food items. Unlike the other tribes of
Israel who were given land as their inheritance,
the Levites were not given any land – only a few
cities in which to live. God was their inheritance (
Numbers 18:20-21 ). Thus, the remaining tribes
were obligated to provide the Levites with food
since they had no land on which to grow their own.
3) What is the storehouse? 2 Chronicles 31 teaches
that the storehouse is the Temple in Jerusalem.
When the tithe was re-instituted under King
Hezekiah, the king gave orders to prepare
storerooms in the temple to hold the tithe.
Apparently the grain "tithe" was heaped up in the
streets, which caused a traffic jam of sorts. King
Hezekiah had the storehouse built to relieve a bad
case of urban congestion in ancient Jerusalem.
Having established the original purpose of the
tithe, the Lord prompted me with several more
questions.
Q: "What happened to the temple (storehouse)?"
A: It was destroyed in 70AD and has not been
rebuilt.
Q: "Why?"
A: The old covenant system of animal sacrifice to
atone for sin is finished. The new covenant is in
the blood of Christ who is the final and
everlasting sin sacrifice.
Q: "Where is the temple now?"
A: 1 Corinthians 6:19 says WE are the temple of
the Holy Spirit. God no longer resides in a stone
temple, but in the hearts of his children through
the Holy Spirit.
Q: "What happened to the Levite priests?"
A: The Levite priesthood is no longer necessary as
the old covenant system of animal sacrifice in the
temple was superceded by the everlasting
covenant of Christ’s blood.
Q: "Who is the priesthood now?"
A: 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 says those who have received
Jesus as Lord and Savior are the priesthood.
Come On Laity, Let’s Do The Twist
Burdening the Body of Christ with the Tithe
requires several twists and reinterpretations of
scripture.
1) The tithe must be imported from the OT law of
Moses to the new covenant of grace by Christ’s
blood.
2) The tithe must be redefined from "flocks,
herds, fruit and grain" to "money" and often
"time".
3) The storehouse must be redefined from the
temple in Jerusalem to the local church building.
4) The Body of Christ must buy into the ordained
clergy as the new priesthood, thereby replacing
the Levite priesthood as the rightful recipient of
the tithe.
5) The Body of Christ must forfeit their own
priesthood and buy into the notion that they are
the "laity".
The tithe has been introduced to the Body of
Christ using 2 tactics of the enemy.
1) Sowing guilt and shame into the Body of Christ
by quoting Malachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet
you rob me. But you ask, `How do we rob you?' In
tithes and offerings." What devoted Christian
wants to rob God? The net effect of sowing guilt
has been to extort money from the Body of Christ,
thereby robbing the Body of the joy and blessing
of giving as God leads. The practice ignores Paul’s
instructions to the church at Corinth: "Each man
should give what he has decided in his heart to
give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God
loves a cheerful giver ( 2 Corinthians 9:7 )."
2) Blaming the "laity" for the financial troubles in
the Body of Christ , by telling the Body they are
not blessed by God because they do not tithe.
Often Malachi 3:10 is emphasized "Test me in this,
says the LORD Almighty, and see if I will not
throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out
so much blessing that you will not have room
enough for it." In so doing, believers are
challenged to tithe, with the promise that God will
bless them if they do. Such giving is not out of love
for God, but out of selfishness. It implies a reward
for works, which contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 , and
completely ignores our status as sons of God by
faith in Christ ( Galatians 3:26 ) and joint heirs of
God with Christ ( Romans 8:17 ). The practice also
ignores Christ’s words in Matthew 4:7 "Do not put
the Lord your God to the test" .
The Apostles Did Not Teach Gentiles To Tithe
Acts 15:1-31 records a dispute over circumcision
that arose in the Gentile church at Antioch.
Several false brothers had attempted to require
Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians to be circumcised.
Paul and Barnabas sharply opposed the false
brothers and traveled to Jerusalem to discuss the
issue of circumcision with the other apostles. In
Jerusalem, they reported the miracles and
conversions among the Gentiles. The apostles were
filled with joy over God’s work there, and they
agreed that circumcision was not a requirement
for salvation. Following the meeting, the apostles
and elders in the church at Jerusalem sent Paul
and Barnabas back to Antioch with a letter of
welcome to the Gentile Christians. The essential
text of the letter is found in Acts 15:28-29 . It
reads: "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us
not to burden you with anything beyond the
following requirements: You are to abstain from
food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat
of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.
You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."
The apostles did not want to burden the Gentiles
with Old Testament practices! The proof is in their
letter to the Gentiles and the fact that the
apostles did not impose the tithe on them.
Come, Let Us Reason Together ( Isaiah 1:18 )
Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Jesus
had commanded us to continue tithing. It would be
appropriate then to use the tithe to feed the
priesthood as originally purposed. Who then is the
priesthood? The apostle Peter writes in 1 Peter 2:5
and 9 that every believer is a priest ! Hebrews 5-8
also teaches us that Jesus is the only priest that
we need . However the institutional church has
borrowed from the Old Testament model of the
Levitical Priesthood, thereby establishing a new
priesthood (ordained clergy) that is separate from
the rest of the Body of Christ. The division
between the clergy, and the so-called "laity" is
not Biblical (Is this the doctrine of the Nicolaitan’s
that Jesus says He hates in Revelation 2:6 ) ?In
fact, Jesus did not establish the ordained clergy –
He chose fishermen and tax collectors to preach
His gospel. Neither did He establish division in His
church, He desires unity ( John 17:20-23 ). The
apostles did not set up an ordained clergy – they
chose men full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom to
serve the Body ( Acts 6:3 , 1 Timothy 3 ). This man-
made division between "clergy" and "laity" has
effectively served to divert the offerings of the
Body of Christ away from the people it is intended
to bless and the offerings are most often used in
ways contrary to the will of God. The net result
has been starvation and financial bondage for
many believers, and the real priesthood – the
whole Body of Christ – has not been prepared to
carry out Christ’s command to preach the gospel to
all nations!
Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh ( John 1:14 ).
He knew that Malachi 3:10 says "bring the whole
tithe into the storehouse" when He instructed the
rich man to sell everything and give the proceeds
to the poor ( Matthew 19:21 ). I imagine the
Scribes and Pharisees about choked on what Jesus
said as they were in the habit of devouring widow’s
houses for profit ( Luke 20:47 ) and the rich man’s
possessions would have been a real feast for them.
In Matthew 25:31-46 , Jesus reiterated His desire
to help the poor in the parable of separating the
sheep from goats, wherein at judgement Jesus will
reward those who feed the hungry and clothe the
poor. Since Jesus judges us for our care of the poor
and hungry, and since He commands us to preach
the gospel throughout the world, why is most of our
giving used for church buildings and salaries with
only a small percentage devoted to the poor,
missions and evangelism?
Is the church making goats out of us by not
feeding the hungry and clothing the poor with our
offerings?
Let’s not wait until the Judgement of Christ to
find out!

Homguy:
Did Jesus collect tithes? What about Paul? They worked and preached the gospel. Today in church I was near repulse when the pastor said he resigned and is now in full time ministry, hence, its his right that we give to him,infact, its a must, in this economy where everybody's toiling round the clock just to make ends meet. Not to mention he just started a project to erect a flat within the church which he called "pastorium" saying that it must be completed before January or so.I almost walked out. We shouldn't condone laziness by any guise.

I believe if God called you into full time ministry, then its not your duty to coerce money out of your impoverished members, its God's duty to provide for you. In ways you can't fathom. That's the proof of the divinity of any calling.

enkay4love:
Exactly!!what is misleading a lot of christians on this tithe thing is failure to read their Bibles.The admonition in Malachi 3:10 and the whole of that chapter was mainly directed at the jews or the 11 tribes of Israel who were mandated to pay a tenth of their harvest earnings(tithe)to the levitical priests(levites) who were mainly temple workers & who did'nt have any inheritance & farmlands to till & produce crops.So the curses in verse 9,were directed at these people of old(jews)and not modern day christians/believers.Jesus or His disciples never ever mentioned any where in the New testament mandating any christian to tithe.

kestolove95:
d juju wey d pastor do am do loose..abg ask for ur moni

kristen12:
OK.....agreed they are wrong about the tithing BUT....they aren't forcing people to pay tithe they just try to convince people. And if they are wrong about it then leave God to do the judgement. I don't know why you're always sounding bitter when it comes to tithing issues

lanre316:
Not that I'm supporting the tithe fraudsters, though.

MissGdope:
The church is not entitled to help anybody. although I think they should when possible but the fact still remains that tithes and offerings are paid to God and not the church. Regardless of what the church decides to do with the money, it still belongs to God so, asking for it back is asking God to give it back which is utter foolishness. If he needed financial aid, he should have asked God and not the church. What is a christian if he can't pray to God. This is another example of why people need to read their bibles before acting. The bible says "my people perish for lack of knowledge". A word is enough for the wise

MissGdope:
Read my bio and u'll see what I think about people that "hate" or dislike me. What I just said is the plain truth. The truth is bitter and pple will try to run from it but i'll keep saying it cos idgaf how u feel bout me. I don't even know you!
Back to the topic, there's nothing wrong in the pastor or the church helping the guy and it's their choice if they want to. If they don't then it's between him and God because as far as I know, your tithes and offerings belong to God. Now quote me with you silly rant

asodeboyede:
UNBELIEVABLY BELIEVABLE!

Unbelievably: because it's quite strange!
Believable : because I think the man actually said it!

We must realise that when God promises us blessings in return for our tithes, such blessings transcends all what our seemingly limited human brain can absorb! It is beyond monetary growth! Until we come to the glare and fundamental meaning of God's blessings, we would still continue to hold Him a liar! I think the said man was not taught enough or was only being rude by growing a thick skin to this TRUTH!

eunisam:
frustration has a way of affecting one's brain negatively.
Anyway,how much is the grand total of the tiths,donation and others. Oga you are still owning the church for the chairs,landed property and the shelters and even the prayer and preaching(sermon) you received from the church in 15 years.

chrisviral:
May his mercy locate you!

PastorKun:
Actually the church is liable. Churches promise their members financial prosperity if they tithe. They also promise that no devourer shall affect their finances. In the case of this man the financial prosperity promise did not materialise, his finances got devoured and the church even refused to do it's primary responsibility of bringing succour to down trodden members. I believe he has a very good case, he should go ahead and sue. Hopefully he would win the case and other tithe scammers would learn from it.

lanre316:
The man forgot one basic fact: The money you give away no longer belongs to you. You can't demand for it as if it's yours. So he got no case. Not that I'm supporting the tithe fraudsters, though.

stupor:
I shake my head in disgust and shame.

I took a whole lot of time to read through from the first to the last page and all what i saw was nothing different from astonishments.I sincerely think the visions of true Seers and true prophesies sighted many years back are all coming to life now,what we are seeing is a total difference from what a true Church is and what is expected of christians today.This totally disheartening.

See Christians toungue lashing eachother,raising insults and unwarranted arguements online,laying erratic and demeaning accusations on eachother,namecalling,backstabbing,blasphemous accusations and calling themselves screw names,all in name of religion.This is total opposite of what is expected from faithful attendants of a TRUE church.

A real christian is hard to find these days and i guess we are getting closer to the 'D' day by each passing minute and seconds.

My stake is very liberal on the topic,if you have,give and if you dont,dont be compelled,cajoled,brainwashed,lured into depositing your funds to anyone,group or an account you cant have an access to later in the future.

In the first instance,the man in question may not seem right in fair mind but if he wasnt deeply frustrated and feel hoodwinked he wouldnt be hoping to cast a lawsuit on a church.its like laying accusation on a blind thief for stealing your car,its just the decadence in our society that has crawled its way into the church and as a TRUE christian you should be wary of these times.

Everyone is a church and a man of God if trully you know who you serve and that means every of your actions must be contolled by no other person's spirit or actions but the true spirit that dwells in you.This is the spirit that guides every of your actions including giving and TITHING.

Also a TRUE pastor,according to what i learnt and grew up to know,If any member or members of your church have any issues concerning the challenges of life,a TRUE Pastor or church must see that such issues are gotten rid off from the lives of the affected member(s) through incessant and justifiable prayers,but these days, the reverse is the case,some churches dont even know the names of their members but will remember them during donations,tithing and other voluntary committments.These goes a long way to say that corruption,neglection,greed,sheer wickedness,hatred,stealing have all made our so called churches who we all used to know them for their upright beliefs and high moral standards are easily and quickly turning into Vanity Fairs.

Please when you pray always remember to pray for Today's churches.

May God help us.

stupor:
I shake my head in disgust and shame.

I took a whole lot of time to read through from the first to the last page and all what i saw was nothing different from astonishments.I sincerely think the visions of true Seers and true prophesies sighted many years back are all coming to life now,what we are seeing is a total difference from what a true Church is and what is expected of christians today.This totally disheartening.

See Christians toungue lashing eachother,raising insults and unwarranted arguements online,laying erratic and demeaning accusations on eachother,namecalling,backstabbing,blasphemous accusations and calling themselves screw names,all in name of religion.This is total opposite of what is expected from faithful attendants of a TRUE church.

A real christian is hard to find these days and i guess we are getting closer to the 'D' day by each passing minute and seconds.

My stake is very liberal on the topic,if you have,give and if you dont,dont be compelled,cajoled,brainwashed,lured into depositing your funds to anyone,group or an account you cant have an access to later in the future.

In the first instance,the man in question may not seem right in fair mind but if he wasnt deeply frustrated and feel hoodwinked he wouldnt be hoping to cast a lawsuit on a church.its like laying accusation on a blind thief for stealing your car,its just the decadence in our society that has crawled its way into the church and as a TRUE christian you should be wary of these times.

Everyone is a church and a man of God if trully you know who you serve and that means every of your actions must be contolled by no other person's spirit or actions but the true spirit that dwells in you.This is the spirit that guides every of your actions including giving and TITHING.

Also as a true pastor,according to what i learnt and grew up to know,If any member or members of a church have any issues concerning the challenges of life,a TRUE church must see that such issues are gotten rid off out of the lives of the affected member(s) through incessant justifiable prayers.but these days the reverse is the case,some churches dont even know the names of their members but will remember them during donations,tithing and other voluntary committments.These goes a long way to say that corruption,neglection,greed,sheer wickedness,hatred,stealing have all made our so called churches who we all used to know them for their upright beliefs and high moral standards are easily and quickly turning into Vanity Fairs.

Please when you pray in your closed doors,all always remember to pray for Today's churches.

May God help us.

ifeness:
who's mercy?

eunisam:
frustration has a way of affecting one's brain negatively.
Anyway,how much is the grand total of the tiths,donation and others. Oga you are still owning the church for the chairs,landed property and the shelters and even the prayer and preaching(sermon) you received from the church in 15 years.

vooks:
Certified board idi0t..
Charity is not a right he is entitled to

wisdompraise:
You got it all wrong brother.

I need you to know that the prosperity promised in tithe paying is not by pastors nor the church but by God.

Haven say that, is also worthy of note to know that tithe payed after stealing, robbing and all other wrong way of making money will only end you in poverty. Or instead of paying the full tithe of 10% you pay 9% will yield nothing to the payer but curse.

God is God, he cannot accept dirty money. Dirty money payed to God will only turn to curse instead of blessing.

The man should go and amend his way with God, and ask forgiveness of his sins so as to receive the blessing of the Almighty God.

JUBILEE2000:
can u pls back ur position up with scriptures that those in the kingdom of God ought to pay tax(tithe). For ur information if u uphold the legalistic tithe also be aware that ur wife must not go to church if she menstruating, u must offer burnt offerings n sacrifices bc it's pure hypocrisy for u to uphold d part of d law that has to do with money n neglect d rest...thank u

naijadeyhia:
The verse most often cited in support of the tithe
is from the Old Testament, found in Malachi
3:8-10 :
8. ""Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you
ask, `How do we rob you?' "In tithes and
offerings. 9. You are under a curse--the whole
nation of you--because you are robbing me. 10.
Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that
there may be food in my house. Test me in this,"
says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not
throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out
so much blessing that you will not have room
enough for it.
Many preachers shorten Malachi 3:8-10 to just
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" , and
almost always with the inference that their
church is the "storehouse". For purposes of this
paper, the Lord had me concentrate on the
passage: "Bring the whole tithe into the
storehouse, that there may be food in my house" .
From that passage, the Lord had me research
several questions:
1) What is the tithe?
2) What was the tithe for?
3) What is the storehouse?
1) What is the tithe? The tithe is 10% of the
increase, established in Leviticus 27:30-33 as an
offering Holy to the Lord. The scripture identifies
the tithe as grain and fruit, herd and flock. The
tithe is food! An example of the tithe can be seen
in a shepherd with a flock of 100 sheep who is
blessed with the birth of 50 lambs in the spring.
Five of the lambs must be offered to the Lord as
a tithe. The tithe was brought to the temple in
Jerusalem in acknowledgement and appreciation of
God’s provision for His people.
2) What was the tithe for? God doesn’t need the
food – God doesn’t eat. God doesn’t desire
sacrifices or offerings ( Psalm 40:6 and Hosea
6:6 ) – He desires mercy. God doesn’t need us to
give Him a 10th of everything – when He already
owns everything ( Psalm 24:1 and Job 41:11b ). The
tithe was used to feed the Levite priests (and
their families) who were required to work in the
temple day and night ministering to God on behalf
of God’s people ( 1 Chronicles 9:33 ). Without the
tithe, the Levite priests would have needed to
raise their own food, thereby taking them away
from ministering before God. Hence the reference
in Malachi 3:10 "…that there may be food in my
house" . Nehemiah 13:10-13 records a time when
the Levite priests were not receiving the tithe
wherein they abandoned their daily temple
responsibilities to work the farms to feed their
families. The reference to ‘robbing God’ in Malachi
3:8 is in fact robbing God of ministry and worship
by failing to take care of God’s priests through
the tithe of food items. Unlike the other tribes of
Israel who were given land as their inheritance,
the Levites were not given any land – only a few
cities in which to live. God was their inheritance (
Numbers 18:20-21 ). Thus, the remaining tribes
were obligated to provide the Levites with food
since they had no land on which to grow their own.
3) What is the storehouse? 2 Chronicles 31 teaches
that the storehouse is the Temple in Jerusalem.
When the tithe was re-instituted under King
Hezekiah, the king gave orders to prepare
storerooms in the temple to hold the tithe.
Apparently the grain "tithe" was heaped up in the
streets, which caused a traffic jam of sorts. King
Hezekiah had the storehouse built to relieve a bad
case of urban congestion in ancient Jerusalem.
Having established the original purpose of the
tithe, the Lord prompted me with several more
questions.
Q: "What happened to the temple (storehouse)?"
A: It was destroyed in 70AD and has not been
rebuilt.
Q: "Why?"
A: The old covenant system of animal sacrifice to
atone for sin is finished. The new covenant is in
the blood of Christ who is the final and
everlasting sin sacrifice.
Q: "Where is the temple now?"
A: 1 Corinthians 6:19 says WE are the temple of
the Holy Spirit. God no longer resides in a stone
temple, but in the hearts of his children through
the Holy Spirit.
Q: "What happened to the Levite priests?"
A: The Levite priesthood is no longer necessary as
the old covenant system of animal sacrifice in the
temple was superceded by the everlasting
covenant of Christ’s blood.
Q: "Who is the priesthood now?"
A: 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 says those who have received
Jesus as Lord and Savior are the priesthood.
Come On Laity, Let’s Do The Twist
Burdening the Body of Christ with the Tithe
requires several twists and reinterpretations of
scripture.
1) The tithe must be imported from the OT law of
Moses to the new covenant of grace by Christ’s
blood.
2) The tithe must be redefined from "flocks,
herds, fruit and grain" to "money" and often
"time".
3) The storehouse must be redefined from the
temple in Jerusalem to the local church building.
4) The Body of Christ must buy into the ordained
clergy as the new priesthood, thereby replacing
the Levite priesthood as the rightful recipient of
the tithe.
5) The Body of Christ must forfeit their own
priesthood and buy into the notion that they are
the "laity".
The tithe has been introduced to the Body of
Christ using 2 tactics of the enemy.
1) Sowing guilt and shame into the Body of Christ
by quoting Malachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet
you rob me. But you ask, `How do we rob you?' In
tithes and offerings." What devoted Christian
wants to rob God? The net effect of sowing guilt
has been to extort money from the Body of Christ,
thereby robbing the Body of the joy and blessing
of giving as God leads. The practice ignores Paul’s
instructions to the church at Corinth: "Each man
should give what he has decided in his heart to
give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God
loves a cheerful giver ( 2 Corinthians 9:7 )."
2) Blaming the "laity" for the financial troubles in
the Body of Christ , by telling the Body they are
not blessed by God because they do not tithe.
Often Malachi 3:10 is emphasized "Test me in this,
says the LORD Almighty, and see if I will not
throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out
so much blessing that you will not have room
enough for it." In so doing, believers are
challenged to tithe, with the promise that God will
bless them if they do. Such giving is not out of love
for God, but out of selfishness. It implies a reward
for works, which contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 , and
completely ignores our status as sons of God by
faith in Christ ( Galatians 3:26 ) and joint heirs of
God with Christ ( Romans 8:17 ). The practice also
ignores Christ’s words in Matthew 4:7 "Do not put
the Lord your God to the test" .
The Apostles Did Not Teach Gentiles To Tithe
Acts 15:1-31 records a dispute over circumcision
that arose in the Gentile church at Antioch.
Several false brothers had attempted to require
Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians to be circumcised.
Paul and Barnabas sharply opposed the false
brothers and traveled to Jerusalem to discuss the
issue of circumcision with the other apostles. In
Jerusalem, they reported the miracles and
conversions among the Gentiles. The apostles were
filled with joy over God’s work there, and they
agreed that circumcision was not a requirement
for salvation. Following the meeting, the apostles
and elders in the church at Jerusalem sent Paul
and Barnabas back to Antioch with a letter of
welcome to the Gentile Christians. The essential
text of the letter is found in Acts 15:28-29 . It
reads: "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us
not to burden you with anything beyond the
following requirements: You are to abstain from
food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat
of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.
You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."
The apostles did not want to burden the Gentiles
with Old Testament practices! The proof is in their
letter to the Gentiles and the fact that the
apostles did not impose the tithe on them.
Come, Let Us Reason Together ( Isaiah 1:18 )
Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Jesus
had commanded us to continue tithing. It would be
appropriate then to use the tithe to feed the
priesthood as originally purposed. Who then is the
priesthood? The apostle Peter writes in 1 Peter 2:5
and 9 that every believer is a priest ! Hebrews 5-8
also teaches us that Jesus is the only priest that
we need . However the institutional church has
borrowed from the Old Testament model of the
Levitical Priesthood, thereby establishing a new
priesthood (ordained clergy) that is separate from
the rest of the Body of Christ. The division
between the clergy, and the so-called "laity" is
not Biblical (Is this the doctrine of the Nicolaitan’s
that Jesus says He hates in Revelation 2:6 ) ?In
fact, Jesus did not establish the ordained clergy –
He chose fishermen and tax collectors to preach
His gospel. Neither did He establish division in His
church, He desires unity ( John 17:20-23 ). The
apostles did not set up an ordained clergy – they
chose men full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom to
serve the Body ( Acts 6:3 , 1 Timothy 3 ). This man-
made division between "clergy" and "laity" has
effectively served to divert the offerings of the
Body of Christ away from the people it is intended
to bless and the offerings are most often used in
ways contrary to the will of God. The net result
has been starvation and financial bondage for
many believers, and the real priesthood – the
whole Body of Christ – has not been prepared to
carry out Christ’s command to preach the gospel to
all nations!
Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh ( John 1:14 ).
He knew that Malachi 3:10 says "bring the whole
tithe into the storehouse" when He instructed the
rich man to sell everything and give the proceeds
to the poor ( Matthew 19:21 ). I imagine the
Scribes and Pharisees about choked on what Jesus
said as they were in the habit of devouring widow’s
houses for profit ( Luke 20:47 ) and the rich man’s
possessions would have been a real feast for them.
In Matthew 25:31-46 , Jesus reiterated His desire
to help the poor in the parable of separating the
sheep from goats, wherein at judgement Jesus will
reward those who feed the hungry and clothe the
poor. Since Jesus judges us for our care of the poor
and hungry, and since He commands us to preach
the gospel throughout the world, why is most of our
giving used for church buildings and salaries with
only a small percentage devoted to the poor,
missions and evangelism?
Is the church making goats out of us by not
feeding the hungry and clothing the poor with our
offerings?
Let’s not wait until the Judgement of Christ to
find out!

asalimpo:
Jesus mentioned tithe in d new testament and did so approvingly.
Besides wat's d fuss about tithing?
If as u say it was done away with because of a superior covenant,
arent partakers in d new and higher covenant not expected to giv more to God's work?
Christians shud giv as much as 90% afterall the demands are greater under this covenant ala Jesus sermon on the mount.
Go figure.

Thieves and greedy ingrates just wanna grab all they can get from God and give as little as they can.
Kinda like wat people who want to beat the Irs do. Tax evasion motives.