Boss13:


I share the same emotion too. Wicked people. I want that man to win so that judicial precedence will take place and other people will start suing their pastors

fishleg123:
sincerely, it can be very frustrating when let down by ur church during the time of need. d man must have tried other means b4 turning to his church that he really trusted. I think we should encourage d man and other Christians to have faith and trust in God and not in their churches.
and for the churches/pastors, please let's be careful so that we don't become a stumbling stones to the sheep of our Lord.

frosbel:
The Pastor and his ilk should be locked up and taken to court.

Minimum prison sentence should be 10 years without possibility of parole. That will teach the other crooks.

Oh, how I 'hate' these charlatans, GOs , MOGs and so called Pastors exploiting the poor, weak and vulnerable in our midst. May God judge them in a massive way.

frosbel:
The Pastor and his ilk should be locked up and taken to court.

Minimum prison sentence should be 10 years without possibility of parole. That will teach the other crooks.

Oh, how I 'hate' these charlatans, GOs , MOGs and so called Pastors exploiting the poor, weak and vulnerable in our midst. May God judge them in a massive way.

waldigit:

I understand very well that emphasis on tithe has been high jacked very well in todays church for personal benefit.
But the question arises again are, if nobody is on full time in Gods business will not affect our mandate to take the gospel to all nations before the end shall come?
Then if some pple hav to be in it on full time basis, how do we renumerate such pple without paying tithe.
NB
Jesus created treasury dpt. In His ministry ably manned by Judas

waldigit:

I understand very well that emphasis on tithe has been high jacked very well in todays church for personal benefit.
But the question arises again are, if nobody is on full time in Gods business will not affect our mandate to take the gospel to all nations before the end shall come?
Then if some pple hav to be in it on full time basis, how do we renumerate such pple without paying tithe.
NB
Jesus created treasury dpt. In His ministry ably manned by Judas

plaetton:
Believe me , I have thought about taking this action many many times when my wife had given these crooks my hard-earned money behind my back.

If you ever hear something like this in Lagos anytime in the future, you should know that it will be me.

PastorKun:


Regular voluntary church offerings should be more than enough to renumerate those in full time ministry. The early church was established and it thrived for centuries without collecting tithes from believers. In fact monetary tithe from income was not introduced to the church till 1895(less than 120 years ago) it is greed that makes most preachers demand tithe of their congregation.

asalimpo:
While it is painful tht Help ddnt com to d man in his dark hour, we shudnt forget or misapply the word.
The tithe is a tax on every kingdom citizen for kingdom work.
It is ten percent on all your increase (gross).
It shud b presented to God with the right attitude,thanks giving and gratefulness,
then is the offering.
Every earthly kingdom operates on some taxing principle which they levy on their citizens.
With these taxes government can accomplish certain objectives like provision of amenities, running a military etc.
Tax evasion is a a criminal offence.
Against this backdrop tithe evasion is a criminal offence and a sin against God.
because by not tithing you are obstructing the work of God as well as dishonourng God who blesses you with increase.
Whether d church u tithe in misuses or steals d funds is not justifcation to discontinue giving ur tithe.
Anoda issue is,the tithe belongs to God. It is God's money.
Touchng God's money is stealing.
Simple.




Arguing abt tithe is meaningless.
If you can pay up to 40% in tax and not think about it with d government ever ready to pile on more and more levies , the complaining about 10% unwavering tax rate is hypocrisy.

asalimpo:
While it is painful tht Help ddnt com to d man in his dark hour, we shudnt forget or misapply the word.
The tithe is a tax on every kingdom citizen for kingdom work.
It is ten percent on all your increase (gross).
It shud b presented to God with the right attitude,thanks giving and gratefulness,
then is the offering.
Every earthly kingdom operates on some taxing principle which they levy on their citizens.
With these taxes government can accomplish certain objectives like provision of amenities, running a military etc.
Tax evasion is a a criminal offence.
Against this backdrop tithe evasion is a criminal offence and a sin against God.
because by not tithing you are obstructing the work of God as well as dishonourng God who blesses you with increase.
Whether d church u tithe in misuses or steals d funds is not justifcation to discontinue giving ur tithe.
Anoda issue is,the tithe belongs to God. It is God's money.
Touchng God's money is stealing.
Simple.




Arguing abt tithe is meaningless.
If you can pay up to 40% in tax and not think about it with d government ever ready to pile on more and more levies , the complaining about 10% unwavering tax rate is hypocrisy.

vooks:

Debate is a good way of arriving at truth. Jesus used it, Paul too, Stephen and so we have precedent.
Tithing was a tax for the Jews not Christians. There was death penalty for adultery in the Law but you find none in the NT. If this was the case like in Muslim nations, then probably adultery cases would be much fewer. But that is not God's way of doing things.

Note Jews gave two tither
S per annum coming to 19% and a third one every third year coming to 22% in total p.a.

brocab:
You say: Every tithe is a tax on every kingdom citizen for kingdom work, being a % on your increase.
And in every kingdom has a government, and it states we are to obey the law of the land, paying our taxes.
Signed and written under God's law.
A law book called "The Acts" Every country has one.
Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. A government who collected the tax.
And give what belongs to God.
Not just tithing, but sacrifices and offerings, were given to God.
Jesus had redeemed us from those old laws.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse.
Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.
But that no-one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for the just shall live by faith.
And yet the law is not of faith.
Christ had redeemed us from the curse of the law.
Hebrews 7:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood {for under it the people received the law}.
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
But today we hear of a new changing of the law, that can only come from a religious back ground, as the Pharisees, a demonic man made system to control the people, under Satan's law to retrieve only money and power.
"This law was "NOT" given by Jesus".
But can only come from a demonic power given to man-Twisting bible verses to maintain ones means of robbing God's people, on tithing...
Robbing God's people is stealing.

asalimpo:


abraham gave tithe to melchizedeck, was abraham operating under d law?
There is only one tithe and only one mentioned in d bible ( i stand to b corrected).
No kingdom can survive without resources, thts y all nations on earth impose tax on their citizens.
God's kingdom on earth imposes the tax on its citizens so tht God's work on earth can b accomplished.
Without enuff resources God's work suffers.
The reason for tithe in malaci is so that they mayb "meat in My (God's) House". In other words ,resources for kingdom work.
Besides, like I said, the tithe is God's. Not payng it makes you a robber and a thief.
Lastly, if in d old (inferior) testament, people gave ten percent, how much shud you gladly giv in the new covenant? More thn ten percent.

If you dont giv your tithe with gratitude and thankfully, God will still get His work done. He doesnt need you. And no man can hinder His work from getttng done.
He after all, gave you the money,strenght and breathe to get d money in the first place.

dorox:
Most people pay a tenth of their income to church not out of love for God but because they have been led by their pastor to believe that in doing so, God will continue to protect them from any misfortune. These pastors are effectively selling an insurance policy that covers bankruptcy, sickness, death, broken marriage and a whole bunch of other misfortunes, all for a ten percent premium of ones income.
So contrary to the opinion expressed in some of the comments here, the tithes and offerings paid to these churches are not gifts in an altruistic sense, rather it is the premium paid for the insurance policy provided by God with the church/pastor as God's agent and salesman.
Viewed from this perspective, it becomes easy to see how one can feel cheated if after diligently paying their tithes and offerings, they get hit by one or more misfortune that proved difficult to recover from, and the church which they believed to be the last point of refuge refused to shelter them from the worst of their calamity.
My advice to people that pay tithe as a means of getting protection against the uncertainties of life is that they should put that money into a fixed deposit account, or look for a reputable and trusted insurance company and use that money to purchase a policy that is well tailored to the risk they fear the most.

asalimpo:


the law was given by God thru moses. Read your bible and stop yapping nonsense.
Are d ten commandments demonic?

vooks:
Certified board idi0t..
Charity is not a right he is entitled to

brocab:
You need to Read your bible?
The law was given by God to Moses in the O/Testament
Galatians 3:21-25 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not. For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
But the scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
"BUT" before faith came, we were kept under "GUARD" by the law.
Kept for the faith which would after ward be revealed.
Therefore THE "LAW" WAS OUR TUTOR, to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
O/Testament Exodus 20:1-17. 10 Commandments.God spoke these words.
{1}You shall have no other Gods before me.
You shall not make yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them.nor serve them.
You shall not take the Lord your God in vain.
Observe the Sabbath day to keep it Holy.
Honor your Father and Mother.
You shall not Murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
{10}You shall not covet your neighbours wife
No tithing?
N/Testament Matthew 22:36-40. Jesus spoke these words.
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
Jesus said to him "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind."
This is the first and great commandment."And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the Prophets.
Still no tithing?
Since your a person who claims you know your bible?
Then you would know, tithing was only used for its purpose in the O/Testament, like our taxes today, helping to support the poor and feed the hungry. No money involved. In the O/Testament it showed they found fault with tithing, because it was the Levi priesthood who was robbing God.
We hear of these same stories today, with our Pastors-Preachers Robbing God.
Hebrews 7:12-25 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
So Jesus had changed that Old priesthood, V's 23 And there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from the continuing, but he, because he continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
Jesus had changed the priesthood-tithing law. because Jesus has an unchangeable priesthood.
Tithing is finished.
But if you still believe your under that curse of the Mosaic Law You need to move on.

brocab:
You need to Read your bible?
The law was given by God to Moses in the O/Testament
Galatians 3:21-25 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not. For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
But the scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
"BUT" before faith came, we were kept under "GUARD" by the law.
Kept for the faith which would after ward be revealed.
Therefore THE "LAW" WAS OUR TUTOR, to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
O/Testament Exodus 20:1-17. 10 Commandments.God spoke these words.
{1}You shall have no other Gods before me.
You shall not make yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them.nor serve them.
You shall not take the Lord your God in vain.
Observe the Sabbath day to keep it Holy.
Honor your Father and Mother.
You shall not Murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
{10}You shall not covet your neighbours wife
No tithing?
N/Testament Matthew 22:36-40. Jesus spoke these words.
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
Jesus said to him "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind."
This is the first and great commandment."And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the Prophets.
Still no tithing?
Since your a person who claims you know your bible?
Then you would know, tithing was only used for its purpose in the O/Testament, like our taxes today, helping to support the poor and feed the hungry. No money involved. In the O/Testament it showed they found fault with tithing, because it was the Levi priesthood who was robbing God.
We hear of these same stories today, with our Pastors-Preachers Robbing God.
Hebrews 7:12-25 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
So Jesus had changed that Old priesthood, V's 23 And there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from the continuing, but he, because he continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
Jesus had changed the priesthood-tithing law. because Jesus has an unchangeable priesthood.
Tithing is finished.
But if you still believe your under that curse of the Mosaic Law You need to move on.

davidylan:


But according to the book of acts, that was what was expected of the church... helping every man according to his need. But of course... what we have now are not churches but religious businesses.

asalimpo:

the only thing done away with in the ol testament are the sacrifces, which Christ has done away with and the traditions which God allowed because of the hardness of d heart of the jews e.g marrying more than one wife, stoning, an eye for an eye, etc.
But the moral injunctions arent done away with.
The ten commandmnt is OT ,is it done away with?
Those actions that were a type of things to come are superseded by christ's wrk in d NT.
E.g in the OT a human priest officiated for man.
Now,we have Jesus as our great High priest
Jesus receives your tithe today,
Hebrews 7:8.

vooks:
It is not a right, but there are expectations. They failed to live up to those. A church should be charitable to all not those who gave because if that is the case, then the ones who give the most would expect the most. Nonsensical really.

asalimpo:


you dont understand what d law is? The Law encompasses more than d Ten commandments.
Go study up on what d law is.
Secondly tithing occured bf d law,
Abraham, gave tithes ,isaac tithed too because He was abraham's seed and in Abraham.
Now, if you're a child of Abraham you ought also to do as ur father abraham did.

asalimpo:


you dont understand what d law is? The Law encompasses more than d Ten commandments.
Go study up on what d law is.
Secondly tithing occured bf d law,
Abraham, gave tithes ,isaac tithed too because He was abraham's seed and in Abraham.
Now, if you're a child of Abraham you ought also to do as ur father abraham did.

davidylan:


perfect... i'm going to gather my servants and slay all my enemies and no one should question me. while i'm at it, i'll sleep with one to my hearts content too.

PastorKun:

“I want them to pay me all the money I have given to them since I started churching [fellowshipping] with them.
His demands are not restricted to donations and collection however. The frustrated man insists that even the tithes he paid over the fifteen (15) year period should be returned to him.
“Everything. Donations, everything they should refund my money to me. The tithes I am paying is not going to God, it’s going to one particular person and that is the pastor. It is not going to God, it is going to the pastor.”
The peeved man insists that the money he paid should still be in the church coffers and that the money “can never fly”.
I want them to give me my money, he reiterated. “If they do not give me back my money, I will take them to court!”. 
Listen to the man below:
 
- See more at: http://www.myjoyonline.com/news/2014/November-27th/return-my-tithes-or-face-court-action-man-threatens-church.php#sthash.AtqJ4U5y.dpuf

Alwaystrue:


As usual, we see the hypocritical topic relating just to tithes, meanwhile the man said he wanted ALL his donations and contributions returned back to him.
This just shows the heart of the man and all his givings were unto man and not unto God. No wonder he wants his offerings, tithes and other contributions even for other welfare projects returned to him.


This also shows how the happy OP is shooting himself in the foot as well. He has just confirmed that people should not give to God through the church. One day you will look back at how you ridiculed yourself by your subjective pick and chose way of looking at issues.

The man can as well sue all those he has helped (if he ever did) because he should not be having it this bad if his 'giving was coming back to him' as Jesus said. As i often say it is a thing of the heart....out of the abundance of the heart....

davidylan:


perfect... i'm going to gather my servants and slay all my enemies and no one should question me. while i'm at it, i'll sleep with one to my hearts content too.