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2days ago i thought about incident that happened in 1990 on our way from Lagos in 505 vehicle. I couldnt recollect how the whole thing happened. I was much younger. So i called this man yesterday to satisfy my curiosity and he remembers. Mashallah! I truly enjoyed as he continued telling me the story. He said "My son also brought it to my attention few days before this past Ramadan"....a day we will never forget. It happened so fast.

We were coming from Lagos to Ijebu. His son drove the car. He was a teenager at the time and just learned driving. Anyways, instead of him to drive short cut to our destination after arrived Ijebu, he loved driving through downtown....that's, Folagbade. It was daylight. He accidentally hit marked police sergeant luxury car in front of him.

Both he and his father stepped off the car. Police also stepped out and walked angrily towards us with baton. This was during military regime. By the time he's couple of feet close to us, wallahi, Ruhaniyah grabbed or gripped him. It was like electric shock. He was shaking standing. I was sitting in the car but did not quiet understood what happened. It was yesterday i asked him. He said "Awon Ruhaniyah ni". They grabbed him. But he told me yesterday that we are the guilty party because we hit him. But police didnt do anything. They picked raise after seeing what happened.

I also raised tbaba concern with him just to hear what he had to say, he said dont argue with them. They have no idea. Ruhaniyah are not Jinn. They are purely to serve pious muslims and teach them Quran. So the sheik in the video i posted earlier was right. Ruhaniyah teaches waliy of Allah, they make lots of salawat on them and Rosul. This man confirms that as well. He said he would recite Quran and teach him what he knew not. I was just shaking my head yesterday as he narrates. This is really deep. But he just doesnt talk about it. I do.

I asked him again yesterday for surety purposes how he came about Ruhaniyah?. He reaffirmed to me that it was borne out of Sura Yasin (too much of recitation). He also mentioned (dua) Jabbar I posted up there. It's about 62 pages. Jabbar is "Oriki Olohun". He said i thought you used to recite it with us?. Alas! I probably used to recite 2 pages. He then recited it on the phone with me. wallahi i was enjoying it. It exceedingly praises Allah. And Allah 'smiles' hearing reciter. If you recite Jabbar coupled with Yasin, with your purpose(s), wallahi liazm, you will never languish in poverty. This i know for sure.This kind of thing strengthens faith.

He did say (in agreement with tbaba's concern) that there are indeed those who invoke Jinn (ofo-incantation) and Jinn give them condition like telling someone to go off n.k. e/d and run down the street to get power. He told me this yesterday. He said those are haram. Thats worshiping them and it's shirk. But Ruhaniyah are borne out of Dua/dhikr to aid mumin.

The reason i keep bringing this up is to kind of clear doubt about folks like tbaba who somehow doubt this issue. I wanted to be sure what i experienced was accurate. So i reminded him things i have said here. He said "you right" referring to me. This is not a matter of 'show off', rather to proof that we have power of mercy, protection and complete guidance in islam.

I do believe that it's not proper to just chant Allah's name for purpose of seeking wealth. This is what i presumed Sino's Ustaz did. The man told me yesterday that purpose(sincere niyyah) should be seeking knowledge of islam NOT money. It is not haram to do that but it's just not wise. He said if you say you want money, you may be buried (covered) in your room with money. That the person may be killed like that. Thats not healthy. Sino's Alfa was lucky. I also asked why many dont recognize importance of Sura Yasin?...he said "what they dont know they dont know. Just dont argue with them. Didnt you see wonders of Yasin when you were here?" I smiled.

Very important if one learns practically from good sheikh. You see things. He finally said "nkan n be labe sanmo" Things that are not directly mentioned in the Quran (that are in pregnant form) but exist. Thats what I was trying to communicate with Mac. One can only see through those things by doing lots and lots of dhikr (Ihsan, Tassawuf -as we know it). If one does dhikr, no need for ogun(charm).

The fact is Ruhaniyah are pure. They can not be used for haram. They will not respond to that. And the person risk losing his status(my understanding). They are here to correct Waliy and teach them hikma. I was really happy talking with him yesterday. He also briefed me encounters with 3 Alawo (women) around Agemo (Agemo festival in Ijebu). I am aware of this actually. It was dramatic in plain view when we came to see "Agemo". Let's leave this for now. I dont know why I am remembering all these stuff now. Keeps popping up my brain.

Hi Empiree, I've got some questions. Please, what's that jabbar dua? Is it the same as the dua you posted few pages back?
You once said that some of the prayers are career prayers. And you know its not easy balancing prayer time with working time. Most people are usually really tired to perform some of those prayers intensely after the day's hustle and bustle. What do you recommend?
Please I'm a very curious guy when it comes to religion(esp tassawuf) and general knowledge. Its one of my weaknesses. I still pray to get over it. So pardon my questions.

So Ruhaniyas are not jinns afterall. They are borne out of duas. In other words, they are formed from duas and dhikr. Jazaakallahu khairaa

Jamo90:
Hi Empiree, I've got some questions. Please, what's that jabbar dua? Is it the same as the dua you posted few pages back?
You once said that some of the prayers are career prayers. And you know its not easy balancing prayer time with working time. Most people are usually really tired to perform some of those prayers intensely after the day's hustle and bustle. What do you recommend?
Please I'm a very curious guy when it comes to religion(esp tawassuf) and general knowledge. Its one of my weaknesses. I still pray to get over it. So pardon my questions.

No problem. I am sure you can research what Tassawuf is online. But bear in mind that "Tassawuf" was invented. The word used in the Quran and Hadith is Ihsan, which means purification of soul(nafs). But it is not easy to do. Visit my homepage, my recent posts about Sheik Adam's view on it. Tassawuf doesnt give much room for you to do other things like caring for others. Tassawuf is about yourself.

What i meant by "career dua" is prayer that you devoted to your entire life. "Jabbar" is a compilation of dua praising Allah. Is like telling Him to compel your wishes (good). Yes, it's not easy. No one says it is easy. That shows you that this man really tried despite having to meet his daily religious obligations and care for his immidiate family. He told us back in the days that he abstained from woman until he turned 28. This means virginity is very important. Who does this now?. All i can tell you is do as much as you can. Be steadfast on 5 daily salat first. If you cant do that, you cant do beyond. Tassawuf is optional and not for everyone. But it highly rewardable. I wish i am in front of you describing encounters with Alagemo in 1990 or 91. I was perhaps, 12 or 14. They converted to Islam daylight in front of his father's house with many views.

kazlaw2000:
So Ruhaniyas are not jinns afterall. They are borne out of duas. In other words, they are formed from duas and dhikr. Jazaakallahu khairaa

Yes, sir. Ofcourse i knew that all along. Just wanted to reaffirm from him. I wanted to tease him that some people insist they are Jinn. He rebuked. He said those people only learn "Islam o fe re fe". You know what that means, right?.

Empiree:
No problem. I am sure you can research what Tassawuf is online. But bear in mind that "Tassawuf" was invented. The word used in the Quran and Hadith is Ihsan, which means purification of soul(nafs). But it is not easy to do. Visit my homepage, my recent posts about Sheik Adam's view on it. Tassawuf doesnt give much room for you to do other things like caring for others. Tassawuf is about yourself.

What i meant by "career dua" is prayer that you devoted to your entire life. "Jabbar" is a compilation of dua praising Allah. Is like telling Him to compel your wishes (good). Yes, it's not easy. No one says it is easy. That shows you that this man really tried despite having to meet his daily religious obligations and care for his immidiate family. He told us back in the days that he abstained from woman until he turned 28. This means virginity is very important. Who does this now?. All i can tell you is do as much as you can. Be steadfast on 5 daily salat first. If you cant do that, you cant do beyond. Tassawuf is optional and not for everyone. But it highly rewardable. I wish i am in front of you describing encounters with Alagemo in 1990 or 91. I was perhaps, 12 or 14. They converted to Islam daylight in front of his father's house with many views.

I saw your post on the sheikh Adam bio, its really interesting.
I would really love to hear the alagemo story but I know it'd be a long one. A face to face interaction can not be compared with an online chatting. Can you just summarize it for the purpose of our silent Readers.
I must say you are a really lucky man for meeting this ruhaniyah man. This just shows that a man's background and early environment has a very important effect in his life. The value of the knowledge you have of that ruhaniyah man now is what some people will seek till they leave this world even though they can afford to pay millions just to meet him. Ignorance is worse than poverty.
Meeting people like this ruhaniyah man is very difficult because people like them are very scarce. You can only meet them through Allah's mercy. They are the kind of people you can never believe have such capabilities. Only their relatives know them very well.
Thanks for your reply but there's a particular question I'd like to ask that can also benefit readers here. I'm just in doubt.

#Alagemo, I will leave that for another day now. I can vitualize the event right now but cant recollect the whole thing at the moment. But there was some kind of commotion that day. Whats your question?. Remember though, when folks like him do what they do, say what they say doesnt mean they play God. Thats misunderstanding

I understand you. The power of God that emanates from their body and the things they do in God's name is what people respect and not their ordinary personalities.

About the question, what do you have to say about a boy that started saying things and performing wonders that are above his age and understanding? He is now a young man of about 20 years now. He performs dua for people and solve problems with Allah's name.

People who sits with him reports that he tells them stories and histories that occurred before he was born. He said he was born the day sherriff(I can't remember the country he's from) was born. He once talked about sheikh jamiu bulala and the things people never knew about him.
When people go to him with their problems, immediately tellsthem where the problem came from and what to do. Could you believe he once told a man that the problem that has made his life miserable is the broom he uses to sweep his room. He asked the man to change the broom and the man did as he was told. Surprising, everything changed in his life for good.
What do you think is at work here?

Since I do not know the boy personally, i cant really comment. I only comment on what i understood. For reference purposes, is the boy Nigerian or are you talking about a 5 yr old Tanzania that made headlines around the world some yrs back?.

Let me assume it is true and authentic. The fact is ignorant folks take advantage of these kind of things by relying on it rather than God. Thats why some muslims are not comfortable talking about it. They see it as emulating nassarah. That aside, fact is Quran speaks about Signs....that God's Signs will continue to manisfest till end time. How He does it it what we need to look out for while at the same time, be steadfast on faith.

People should be able to sit and make dua or pay real Alfa to do it for them. So I really can not comment on this individual because i dont know him.

With regard to broom. Although i do not know his situation but it's common knowledge that broom one uses to broom interior of a house should not be used to broom outside. You should have two different ones. One for inside. One for outside. Wallahu Allam

Empiree:
Yes, sir. Ofcourse i knew that all along. Just wanted to reaffirm from him. I wanted to tease him that some people insist they are Jinn. He rebuked. He said those people only learn "Islam o fe re fe". You know what that means, right?.

Sure. Sure. Pls whats ur homepage? Never knew you blog.

kazlaw2000:
Sure. Sure. Pls whats ur homepage? Never knew you blog.

Was referring to NL profile when you click on my username.

Ha ha... Sheik Adam (rta) makes me laugh in this clip...funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7d56O_Zyrc

If ruhaniyah are from duas and recitation, then there would be mention of this from early muslims. The prophet is more religious than any of us, yet we are not told of ruhaniyah from any text.

I would argue that they would have been more mention of them in the early days.

You should have asked the shiekh for historical precedent.

Empiree:
Since I do not know the boy personally, i cant really comment. I only comment on what i understood. For reference purposes, is the boy Nigerian or are you talking about a 5 yr old Tanzania that made headlines around the world some yrs back?.

Let me assume it is true and authentic. The fact is ignorant folks take advantage of these kind of things by relying on it rather than God. Thats why some muslims are not comfortable talking about it. They see it as emulating nassarah. That aside, fact is Quran speaks about Signs....that God's Signs will continue to manisfest till end time. How He does it it what we need to look out for while at the same time, be steadfast on faith.

People should be able to sit and make dua or pay real Alfa to do it for them. So I really can not comment on this individual because i dont know him.

Jamo90, I forgot to add this with regard to broom. Although i do not know his situation but it's common knowledge that broom one uses to broom interior of a house should not be used to broom outside. You should have two different ones. One for inside. One for outside. Wallahu Allam

The boy is Nigerian. He was born the same day with 3 other boys including the tanzania boy. I understand that people do rely on things like this rather than God.
If I may ask, do you mean that paying some alfa to make dua for you( for ex. The Yasin prayer, jabbar and killing of cow) can make a client experience what the ruhaniyyah man experienced if the client can afford the dua every week or month?. You know not all muslims can read the Quran fluently, not to talk of sitting down to do prayers for long hours?

tbaba1234:
If ruhaniyah are from duas and recitation, then there would be mention of this from early muslims. The prophet is more religious than any of us, yet we are not told of ruhaniyah from any text.

I would argue that they would have been more mention of them in the early days.

You should have asked the shiekh for historical precedent.

tbaba 1234, "Ruhaniyah" for Muhammad (peace be on him and his household)? Nah! He was strengthened with what is better than Ruhaniyah, i.e Ruhu Qudus. When he walk, sleep, speak, fight (in the battle-field), work etc even right from his cradle, the best of the angels surrounds and aid him by the command of Allah.

Bro. You rely and attach too much on documents as if everything about everything on everything is documented. How many great spiritual experience of the salafs are difficult to explain in writing!

Qur'an talks about "sakina and forces we cannot see" helping the Prophet (peace be on him and his household) and the believers on many occasions. Surprisingly, none of them (the sahaba) except few was able to describe the "feel" of sakina or the nature of these unseen forces. Who would narration describe these?

Even Maryam (a non-prophet) was being visited by angels. Qur'an describe two angels, one on the right and the other on the left, assigned for every human for specific purpose. Hadith describe a state of a Mu'min who worship devotedly for 40days and guard himself from sinning: implication is "Allah" will become his hands, eyes, mouth etc whereby his deeds, speech etc will become perfect.

Ahadith highlight the manifestations of our obligatory ibaadat will brings out beautiful creatures while that of evil deeds will brings out horrible things in qabr vis-a-vis barzakh.

AlBaqir:
tbaba 1234, "Ruhaniyah" for Muhammad (peace be on him and his household)? Nah! He was strengthened with what is better than Ruhaniyah, i.e Ruhu Qudus. When he walk, sleep, speak, fight (in the battle-field), work etc even right from his cradle, the best of the angels surrounds and aid him by the command of Allah.

Bro. You rely and attach too much on documents as if everything about everything on everything is documented. How many great spiritual experience of the salafs are difficult to explain in writing!

Qur'an talks about "sakina and forces we cannot see" helping the Prophet (peace be on him and his household) and the believers on many occasions. Surprisingly, none of them (the sahaba) except few was able to describe the "feel" of sakina or the nature of these unseen forces. Who would narration describe these?

Even Maryam (a non-prophet) was being visited by angels. Qur'an describe two angels, one on the right and the other on the left, assigned for every human for specific purpose. Hadith describe a state of a Mu'min who worship devotedly for 40days and guard himself from sinning: implication is "Allah" will become his hands, eyes, mouth etc whereby his deeds, speech etc will become perfect.

Ahadith highlight the manifestations of our obligatory ibaadat will brings out beautiful creatures while that of evil deeds will brings out horrible things in qabr vis-a-vis barzakh.

What about the companions and family of the prophet?

Where is the textual evidence of this ruhaniyah that is not an angel or a jinn

Salam, pls can any1 help me with more autentic duas for. Protection against jinns aprt from surah nas,falaq,iklas and ayatul kursiyy,thank U

zeeziz:
Salam, pls can any1 help me with more autentic duas for. Protection against jinns aprt from surah nas,falaq,iklas and ayatul kursiyy,thank U

Those suwars you mentioned above are more than enough and authentic for protection against any form of evil.

If you are a mu'min, quran will suffice as cure and mercy. That is Allah promise.

Jamo90:
If I may ask, do you mean that paying some alfa to make dua for you( for ex. The Yasin prayer, jabbar and killing of cow) can make a client experience what the ruhaniyyah man experienced

no. im just talking about praying for someone who may have issues

AlBaqir:
Those suwars you mentioned above are more than enough and authentic for protection against any form of evil.

If you are a mu'min, quran will suffice as cure and mercy. That is Allah promise.

wallah, haq.

zeeziz:
Salam, pls can any1 help me with more autentic duas for. Protection against jinns aprt from surah nas,falaq,iklas and ayatul kursiyy,thank U

You can get Hisnul Muslim

You have to understand that those people who are described by Allah in this category https://www.nairaland.com/2040783/practise-ihsan-islam, few they may be, whatever form of aid, physical or spiritual they get from Azal wajal, they do not boost of it. It's because they dont talk about it is the reason this story sounds weird or people dont understand them. They are usually quiet. Thats common sense. It's personal to them like Sheik Adam rightly said.

Some among them could be public figure/preacher and speak about it briefly...like Sheik Adam Al-ilory(RTA). Some are just dude doing their own thing, et al. It's only people around them that usually talk about them like I do. Unfortunately, they can not hide it too long because their karamah could activate in the middle of the road etc where people clearly see what's going on. Above for instance. Thereby, commanding respect or being known.

Simply put, it depends on situation.

What Allah says in Sura 51:56 is not restricted to just these two Beings. Even trees worship Allah but Quran mentions two figures only. Why didnt He mention Malaika in the same Ayah. Malaika worship Allah too. This ayah sums it all right there. But to interpret the verse with understanding to mean Jinnkind and Mankind are the only creations referring is literal interpretation.

Quran speaks literally and figuratively as well. I never in my life interpreted (with understanding) that the verse is referring to ONLY Jinnkind and Mankind. I have always thought about referring to other Beings and non living things as well, even animals and water worship Allah. Prophet Muhammad (Sallalahu Alaiy walla aliy wasalam) was sent to them as well. Modern Muslims interpretation is pretty much restricted to visual text. This ridicules Quran a lot. There is a price to pay when we do that. Wallahu ta'la Allam

And I am a salafi as long as salafiyya refers to holding to the Sacred Law with practices based on what is flexible and evolving rather than that which is rigid and narrow.

~ Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory

At 43-44min , he seems to describe Ruhaniyah. But it's better to listen from the beginning. Again, close to what i have been saying. They are close to Malaika (Angels). He said what i was told that Ruhaniyun (Ruhaniya) are borne out of dhikr. wallahu Allam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dauxhx7hA8o

Another slight (clear) reference of Ruhaniyah in this video. I love this sheik. He knows how to explain stuff. It's getting clearer here follows. I hope tbaba1234 is getting it gradually.. I dont know this sheik in person. Never met him. Just listen to his lectures online. Yet, he arrived at same conclusion as mine. I also posted a video about Ruhaniyah on page 10. Again, i dont know that sheik either but he arrived at my conclusions as well. Are we all lying?.

The Sheik on Page 10 described Ruhaniyah as "Angelic spirit". Sheik Daud describes Ruhaniyah as "lower rank Angels". The man I have been talking about describes them as 2nd rank i:e next to Malaika (Angels). This means Ruhaniyah are between Angels and Jinn. Indeed, Sufis (as we know them i:e authentic Sufis) are true Ulama. Our opposing brothers just need to understand. Thats all. Watch the clip below, please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYYCDgea6z4
It takes years to encounter them personally. It depends on effort you put into dhikr. I almost encountered one personally but i lacked. I may tell my experience later. This is something practical not just reading books theoretically. Sheik Daud is Ilorin based. The man i have been talking about lives in Ijebu. The Sheik on page 10 lives in Canada and I live here. We all arrived at same (fill in the gap).

Note, which book are they using in this clip?. Isnt same Quran opposing view (also) use. Can you see how Sufis penetrate Quran. Allahu Akbar

Does This Sounds Familiar To What I Have Been Saying? I:E Theory And Practical. Very Important To Do Both Together While Growing Up. Reading Alone Does Not Help. You Are Left In The Dark Just By Reading

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf6rmgY7WSc

I am not yoruba.

What I am asking for is simple, historical precedent.

Sino said his teacher called them 'muslim jinn'.

You had said earlier that they are not jinn or angel.

Now this man says 'lower angel'.

What is it exactly?? Are you just guessing?? Pure confusion.

The more plausible thing to me, is a jinn.

^Na. Lol. You don't get it at all. The fact that you dont speak or understand Yoruba, you cant possibly come to this conclusions. Hope Sino watches these two clips. None of the videos mentioned Jinn at all. You guessed.

You dont understand this. Let's wait for others who might watched these videos to comment. Sino's Alfa didn't even talk to "Jinn". Did you read where he said that?. His Alfa experience seems naive the way he described it. So his Alfa's claim can not be substantiated because that was his first encounter and they didnt speak. Besides, i dont know exactly what his Alfa did.

As far as I am concern, I am always of the view that they are next to Angels in rank. The man said they are next to Angels. In this videos, descriptions given by these two Sheiks describe those beings 'Angelic'. "lower Angel" is the best way i could translate the way the last 2 videos describe them and he said we called them Ruhaniyah. Please revisit p. 10. The Sheik in the video said Ruhaniyah are like "Angelic spirit". He said there are 2 types of Angels, "Heavy" and "light". By heavy, he meant Angels like those sent to prophets which AlBaqir described in last post as Ruh Qudus...greater than 'ruhaniya'. That we can not see them nor feel them. He said those light ones are the ones we may feel their presence. He said we call them Ruhaniyah. I chose to translate it to mean "lower Angels". That may not be proper translation. Unless you understand Yoruba you cant understand what the man said. They quote directly from Quran and no Jinn mentioned there.

Wait for AlBaqir and others to comment and let's see. Jinn?, nope. You dont understand yet. As for reference from historical precedent, this is personal experience. Sahaba's experience are personal to them. If I didnt talk about Ruhaniyah, you may never know about it. Folks usually dont talk about personal experience. Only people around them do. This is very simple tbaba. Jinn dwell around incantation not dua. tbaba1234, I thought you live in lagos and you havent learn to speak yoruba?

Lovely debate so far.... I particularly love the "yasin" "ruhaniyah" perspective.

Empiree, what I don't get is, concerning yasin. You mentioned in one page that someone shouldn't recite plenty of it except s/he has some spare change. As in, the recitations should be followed by charity and/or slaughter, right? (Though, I'm not quoting you word for word)
My concern is "why those conditions?"

Secondly, where is the dua (Jabbaar)? I think I need it.

I've read all the pages so far, though I couldn't watch the videos you posted. Thanks for bringing this Ruhaniyah to the bare.

Empiree, this reason for confusion is because such a being that is neither jinn or angel is not recorded anywhere.

What you have is guess-work. Different people putting forth their theory.

Angels have specific roles, which one be lower angel again??

It is common among alfas to claim that they saw some form of creature. I have heard it before. Many times, it is lies. Other times, they are messing around with jinns, good/evil jinns.

One of the alfas that was teaching me the Quran had similar stories. Even as a teenager, I knew it was rubbish.

@tbaba. You see, it would even be unscientific to discard as lies or illusions, real observable happenings others have experienced just becos u've not experienced it. I am saying this becos you said u've always discountainanced such stories as rubbish since u were a teenager. By Allaah, i have also gone around, lately to ask alfas about these Ruhaniyyah and they affirmed what @Empiree has been saying. These are real life experiences. I was told every aayah of the holy Quraan, every adhkaar has a khaadim that is in charge of it. If you cling onto it tenaciously by oft chanting it, you will encounter the khaadim. I learnt of a man, who is still alive and in my town here. Do you believe this man, who literally eats istigfaar by saying ASTAGFIRULLAH countless times began to see glimpses of paradise. He has been forced to reduce the Istigfaar becos, in his words; due to extreme happiness on seeing paradise, he lacks appetite for days. He began to emanciate until he was forced to take it easy. He said Istigfaar would have killed me.
Similar thing i heard from someone who does a lot of solawaat on the Prophet (SAW). He said, in his words; at a point, you start having a feeling that u are in a congregation even though u are alone.
@Hkana. About the demands these Ruhaniyya make which is mostly that u do some form of charity, no one really knows why such demands are made. Just like the renowned Raaqi, Sheikh Ben Halimma (benhalimma.com, google it) said. Even when exorcising Jinns, a Jinn might request u to make some charity before it will leave. In such cases, i will say, if you are not told to make an Haraam charity, then there is no problem.