dolphinheart:



Yes, Jesus is lord and he was beaten, spit upon , slapped and flogged! , do u have any problem with that! !!

Rilwayne001:


I ask a very simple question, since you claim the Quran encouraged sex with slave, and i quoted for you from your bible the bible God is sharing virgins with is army including sheeps, goats etcetera he wanted to roast them for suya abi

Why don't you read your bible very well before coming to talk about the Quran?

tola9ja:

dont let me stress you jesus is lord give me the evidence
and can your lord be beaten and flog?

I once asked a moslem cleric that the only way I can believe him is if he can show me from the Koran prophesies that has been fufilled , and such prophesies must
1. Not be fufilled under a very short period of time eg 20 years
2. Not be fufilled in the lifetime of the person who recorded the prophecy.
3. Not to be attributed to any other source
Not to be proven by scientific theory.
4 the prophecy must be specific as to occurrence and not indirectly atributed to it.

Up till now nothing .

malvisguy212:
dose it make sense to you that God is shearing animal for sex? Is there a virgin animal? Dosent this tell you that the verse is saying something els?

No need to waste my time here, i'll open a thread on this very soon....i'll tag you whenever i open the thread

Rilwayne001:


No need to waste my time here, i'll open a thread on this very soon....i'll tag you whenever i open the thread

malvisguy212:
hurry up.

Bad network here.

No light.

Insufficient MB.


But i'll pass and open the thread before weekend..InshaAllah

Rilwayne001:



Bad network here.

No light.

Insufficient MB.


But i'll pass and open the thread before weekend..InshaAllah

malvisguy212:
sorry for the network problem.

Open the thread and I will clear your doubt and hoping to get a reply to my question about sex slave in the quran.

tola9ja:


Before you start reading admit that you will be sincere with what you read and whenever u want to reply you will reply with evidences
Prophecy is foretold news about any future event. In religious world, a prophecy, quite distinct from an educated and wise guess, is considered the most authentic criterion and a vital proof for the truthfulness or otherwise of a prophet. The Bible has also mentioned this test and claims that the prophecies mentioned in it shall be definitely fulfilled.

"I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols. See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you." (Isaiah 42:8-9)

"I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am He." (John 13:19)


"Some criteria are needed in order to distinguish cases of lucky guesses from those of true prophecy. Let us define a genuine prophecy as one that satisfies the following five criteria:

The prophecy must be clear, and it must contain sufficient detail to make its fulfillment by a wide variety of possible events unlikely.

The event that can fulfill the prophecy must be unusual or unique.

The prophecy must be known to have been made before the event that is supposed to be its fulfillment.

The event foretold must not be of the sort that could be the result of an educated guess.

The event that fulfills the prophecy cannot be staged, or the relevant circumstances manipulated, by those aware of the prophecy in such a way as to intentionally cause the prophecy to be fulfilled."

According to these criteria, we see that the Quranic prophecies, some of which are presented here, prove to be quite genuine and true. No one can ever imagine that an unlettered person living in a nomadic society of Arabia 1400 years ago can predict such amazing scientific events, as mentioned hereunder, to happen. It is very well beyond the human capacity to foretell or even visualize such incredible incidents. The only conceivable source of these prophecies and predictions is purely divine. Interestingly, all such prophecies are fulfilled by those who were not Muslims, rather many of them are atheists. Thus no question of staging the prophecy and manipulating the circumstances arises.
FINGER PRINTS

"Their skins will bear witness against them as to what they have been doing" (41:21)

The finger prints system at borders, criminal investigation cells and immigration centres prove the fulfillment of this Quranic prophecy.
POLLUTION

"Corruption has spread on land and sea because of what mens hands have wrought" (30:42)

One of the interpretations of the above verse of the Holy Quran is the environmental pollution, caused by human being. And that is spread both in land and sea due to our own inventions, i.e., fumes from chimneys of factories, chemical and nuclear waste, huge traffic in the cities, noise and creation of ozone hole are manifest testimonies of the fulfillment of this prophecy.
ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL

And after him We said to the Children of Israel, 'Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of various people." (17:105)

Creation of Israel and gathering of Sephardic, Ashkenazi and the Jews of many other different races in Israel proves the authenticity of this prophecy and hence Quran.
GENETIC ENGINEERING

"They will alter Allah's creation." (4:120)

The holy Quran has prophesied the plastic surgery, genetic engineering and cloning in this short and concise sentence.
ROADS IN MOUNTAINS

"And when the mountains are made to move." (81:4)

Centuries before the invention of dynamite, the holy Quran prophesied the blowing up and moving of the mountains.
NEW TRANSPORT SYSTEMS

"And when the she-camels, ten months pregnant are abandoned." (81:5)

"And He has created horses and mules and asses that you may ride them, and as a source of beauty. And He will create what you do not yet know." (16:9)

As we know people, specially those living in deserts, have now abandoned camels and other animals for travelling. But this prophecy of invention and emergence of new transport systems is on-going as we witness new and faster modes of transportation emerging all the time.
ZOO

"And when the wild beasts are gathered together." (81:6)

Nobody could ever imagine that one day wild beasts shall be captured, tamed and put together in closed and open parks. The establishment of zoo have fulfilled this prophecy.
OCCEANS LINKED

"And when the rivers are made to flow into each other." (81:7)

"He has made the two bodies of water flow. They will one day meet. Between them there is a barrier; they cannot encroach one upon the other." (55:20,21)

"And He it is Who shall merge the two seas together. This palatable and sweet, that saltish and bitter. And between them He has (presently) placed a barrier and a massive partition." (25:54)

This phenomenal prophecy is an excellent proof of truthfulness of Quran. It was beyond imagination of any one living 1400 years ago to even think of linking of oceans which we see today in Panama and Suez canals.
MODERN COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS

"And when various people are brought together." 81:8

Fast transport systems, telephone, satellite systems and internet have brought so close to each other proving the truthfulness of the holy Quran.
WOMENS RIGHTS

"And when the female-infant buried alive is questioned about For what crime was she killed." (81-9,10)

Modern-day women rights and liberation associations may be brain-child of freedom-loving and egalitarian humanist / feminist people but foretold by Quran centuries ago.
BOOKS PUBLISHED AND SPREAD

"And when books are spread abroad." (81: 11)

The invention of printing press and publication houses and consequently spread of books every where is one of the marvellous prophecies of the Quran made in the dark ages of ignorance and illiteracy.
EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL LIFE

"And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever He pleases." (42: 30)

Having discourse with aliens is still an unrealized dream, but science is progressing in that direction. The presence of extra-terrestrial life has been proved by scientists. The next step is to see them and making a link with them. No religious scripture, except Quran, even hints about this great scientific discovery.
AIR TRAFFIC SYSTEM

"And by the heaven full of tracks" 51 : 8

While prophesying about modern transport systems, Quran also foretold the air-traffic system which is an essential part of aviation. A person living in desert 1400 years ago cannot talk about such advance technologies unless revealed to him by God Almighty

gatiano:
eeya, you didn't understand me. this is the point where everybody both christian and muslims disagreed with me.

ALLAH, GOD, ELEDUMARE OR ANY OTHER NAME WE CALL HIM BY, This GOD is a MAN but HE is supreme in the sense that he is boundless in knowledge, wisdom and understanding, HE knows the numbers of atom in the universe, and HE knows each atom's function, this is not miracle but supreme science and mathematics. Like i said He is a MAN we can say GODMAN(IN HEBREW OR KABBALAH, ITS QODMAN).
This GOD too passes away like everybody else, HE has got his own wife, HE eats, sleeps, builds, fast, prays etc, and there is a time HE passes away too, so all of us must die. The highest number a man could live is 1000 years (depending on nutrition).
So the Originator ALLAH, created himself, studied himself and the universe, created the woman, then went to war with darkness, created some stars. whether He create other people and had his children or He created other people or just had his children, or just had children , or just created other people, i do not know. HE THE ORIGINATOR, Lived his time and passed away, gave the mantle to the next ALLAH (his son or the created), That ALLAH too, continued the creation process of creating the sun, the stars, putting them in proper socket of the solar system, HE did is part, passed on, passed the mantle to his son etc till today. We a dark skin people of the earth are the descendant of that very Originator who created self. (it is not racism). But THEY (ALLAH) ARE ONE, THAT SPIRIT OF ALLAH IS ONE, THE KNOWLEDGE IS ONE, ONE COULD BE MORE BRILLIANT THAN THE OTHER, NEVERTHELESS THEY ARE ONE, THEY DO NOT ASK FOR NOBODY'S IDEA, THUS THEY ARE INDEPENDENT. the evil lie of trinity is why WE SAY HE BEGETS NOT, NOR WAS HE BEGOTTEN. ALLAH IS THEIR TITLE (KING OF KINGS).

This is why i always persist that the black people of the world are a very extremely great people, We were also GODMAN, when we fell, and ALLAH went not showing HIMSELF to us 66 trillion years ago, We fell gradually till that fall was complete 6000 years ago we then became just "man" with the God.

i do not expect you to believe, and if you believe without your own investigation and reasoning, then always investigate. GOD had always been a MAN, He is present now.

i wonder why nigerians ask about weed, when they obviously don't know what it is. what is the diff between jungle weed, jungle grass, weed and grass?

talibilm:


God id God , Man is Man. A not = B though B stands next to it. Man eats, Excretes, sleeps , have sex but God does not and do not need to do those things and free from all weakness. He is Exactly how he describes http://quran.com/112 and not how you describe . Even OT & NT
says he is form less, no image but still walks like a human and eats Buns & calf eat meat at Sara's house and gigles with her to give and make conceive her https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+21%3A1-2&version=KJV

Genesis 21:1-2King James Version (KJV)

21 And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken.

2 For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.

but Allah stayed in the skies to order by a word be and it is in giving Issac To Sara, similarly John, Jesus were born shows that those who give man form to God are sadly misguided and CONTRADICT against their Own Books that God is Formless and creates by the word ''

''

says he is form less, no image but still walks like a human and eats Buns & calf eat meat at Sara's house and gigles with her to give and make conceive her

talibilm:


God id God , Man is Man. A not = B though B stands next to it. Man eats, Excretes, sleeps , have sex but God does not and do not need to do those things and free from all weakness. He is Exactly how he describes http://quran.com/112 and not how you describe . Even OT & NT
says he is form less, no image but still walks like a human and eats Buns & calf eat meat at Sara's house and gigles with her to give and make conceive her https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+21%3A1-2&version=KJV

Genesis 21:1-2King James Version (KJV)

21 And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken.

2 For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.

but Allah stayed in the skies to order by a word be and it is in giving Issac To Sara, similarly John, Jesus were born shows that those who give man form to God are sadly misguided and CONTRADICT against their Own Books that God is Formless and creates by the word ''

''

dolphinheart:



I thought u guys have been told to linking technological advancements with koranic passages as basis for belief in prophecies in the Koran.
I'm still thinking if I should take time and trash the nonsense u posted, cus ur moslem alfa brought a book containing this same fake assumptions and we trashed it out with him eventualy agreeing that he does not fully surpport the fake assumptions stated in the book .

Before I continue, do you have one question: do you have a source, statement ,post, attributed to any of ur main religious leaders in Nigeria or anywhere in the world that support the thrash u posted?

tola9ja:
did you want me to ask u question or what did mean be specific

dolphinheart:


Sorry, the statement should have been : *before I continue , I do have one question for you

tola9ja:
ANOTHER SOURCE
http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-a.htm

Its either you are deliberately trying to change topic and issues on ground based on the fact that you have nothing to back ur assumptions up . Or u just dnt understand what you are posting .

I asked you , the scriptures u quoted , what are we to gain from them .
U say its to show that the Koran is authentic .

Any sane person hearing ur defence will look at u as someone inserious .

I asked you if the scriptures you posted are the authentic word of God passed to his prophets , u refused to answer me .

I asked you if the so called prophesies you posted have been authenticated by any of ur major religious leaders and scholars that we all know, u are here posting links again

talibilm:
Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God,[b] kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15) LOL

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)."

gatiano:
OK, some of us believe GOD is a spirit, and some of us believe GOD is a MAN, I am one of those who knows GOD's face and know for a fact that GOD is a MAN. very true that he does have that weakness like us, That is because, GOD can't fall as we God falling to man was loose control to our lowly desires, we eat like a pig even the muslims too etc. My question is what are you expecting when GOD comes, since most of us believe in the coming of GOD? a spirit we won't be able to see or A MAN?

And behold, the word of a drunkard ...... Lmao

Rilwayne001:


^^^

And behold, the word of a drunkard ...... Lmao

gatiano:
i did make a mistake in my post. I meant to write "very true that he does not have that weakness like us" instead of the wrong very true that he does have that weakness like us. Thanks for calling my attention to it.

Okay good

With your posts, I can now understand who you are .

You see something on the internet, you like it, you post it without first trying to understand what you are trying to post .
You are asked questions on your post and you end up shooting yourself in the foot.

Let me explain ur posts to you .

You posted verses in the scriptures to authenticate the Koran right ? And I asked you how those verses from the bible authenticate the Koran . U said u qouted it just to show that the Koran is different from the bible , how? . Unlike the bible, the Koran does have contradictions, no variations and most importantly (which is the main base of ur post )does not preach violence.

Now let's analyze what you are trying to say.
That the bible encouraged violence unlike the Koran than encouraged peace.
That the bible is adulterated with some words removed and some words added which are not from God.

This prompted me to ask you if the scriptures you quoted are from the authentic (Gods word) part of the bible or if they are the adulterated parts.

If the scriptures are not Gods word, then you are right in ur assumptions that the bible is adulterated.(but u stated otherwise) .
If the scriptures you quoted are not Gods words, then you are wrong in using those adulterated (fake and unreal, added to the bible by bad people later) scriptures in proving that christians or Jews of that time are violent.(u even went far in stating that their God is a violent or wicked God based on the adulterated(not Gods word or directive) parts you quoted.
You can now see the beggining of ur confusion

Now u said that it is authentic, that is those words u quoted are Gods word. With ur understanding of those scriptures, it puts you in a more dillusional position.

1. You claim that Allah is the God of abraham ,the God that helped the isrealites to enter the promised land, hence the God of the original (authentic) bible is also allah. Therefore Allah told them to kill and be violent, kill women and children .
If this is so, and you claim that that God is wicked, then Allah is wicked, abi no be so ? So on a larger scale, if we follow the train of ur assumptions , christians , Moslems and Jews have the same God , and have been told to kill women and children .

2. If the scriptures u quoted are Gods word ,and understood the way u are trying to explain them then the boko haram ,the IS, the taliban, the Al jabaab, the al queda, and most other terrorist have a valid right in perpetuating there violence and killing women and children right? Say that on the streets and see what will happen .

You can now see why I said u dnt understand what u posted . U saw it on the internet and post word for word cus it was intriguing to you . You even attested to the fact that you copied and pasted it .

Before you defend urself by stating that the Koran preach peace , just note that the bible preach more on peace

Now going further , I asked you to prove that there are genuine prophecies in the Koran, prophecies that have been fufilled, prophesies that are specific and can not be fufilled any other way, prophesies with no scientific theories but facts . You now brought statements that can have a million meaning, that is not direct, mix it up with scientific advancement and call them prophecies. I can't help but laugh.

I will love to scatter this ur prophesies, but I first want to know if ur religious leaders believe what you stated as prophesies. I dnt want u using the author as the source . I want statements attributed to this prophesies from well known Islamic leaders. Leaders who we can goggle their posts in islam .

After u have done that , then we will look at the so-called prophesies.

Ifeann:


Once again a Muslim quotes a text out of context. I don't know if its ignorance, lack of intellect or Taqiyya.
You quote ancient passages that was recorded when God was setting up and giving Laws to his people the Jews over several thousands of years ago, before the coming of Christ who came and created our new and improved relationship with his father (600 years afterwhich Mohammed came to preach stonings, beheading, rape of married captives your right hand possessed, child marriage etc ), the same God you are told to believe handed the qu'ran to your prophet. The same prophet that affirms the massages in the torah and injeel as I will prove below with 2 verses;

1. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah 3:3).
2. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

Even if you don't agree with Christians you have no right to question the bible, especially the old testament. Since it is the torah your prophet believed was rite and probably got his materials from.

yazach:


Did you just hear Taqiyyah? please explain its meaning to us

Don't forget you are in the glass house

talibilm:
Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God,[b] kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15) LOL

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)."

Ifeann:


Once again a Muslim quotes a text out of context. I don't know if its ignorance, lack of intellect or Taqiyya.
You quote ancient passages that was recorded when God was setting up and giving Laws to his people the Jews over several thousands of years ago, before the coming of Christ who came and created our new and improved relationship with his father (600 years afterwhich Mohammed came to preach stonings, beheading, rape of married captives your right hand possessed, child marriage etc ), the same God you are told to believe handed the qu'ran to your prophet. The same prophet that affirms the massages in the torah and injeel as I will prove below with 2 verses;

Ifeann:

1. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah 3:3).

Ifeann:

2. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

Ifeann:

Even if you don't agree with Christians you have no right to question the bible, especially the old testament. Since it is the torah your prophet believed was rite and probably got his materials from.

dolphinheart:


Well, everybody can now see that you dnt understand ur post, talk less of explaining it

I told you u dnt understand what you posted , that you just saw the book, found the link, liked it cause it accuses other religions , copied it and pasted it.
U responded by saying that you have the book and the link . Sir , how do you reason!.


I went further to explain to you why you dnt understand the stupidity of what u posted. That if u understood it, you wunt have posted it. Also, That in explaining ur post , u only ended in shooting urself in the foot .
Your reply was very interesting as it gives one a better understanding of ur intellectuality .
U said cerebral disorder , that you read ur bible and also copy paste .

Dnt u get it! Its silly to copy paste and not understand what you are pasting , because once asked to explain ur post, ull start blabbing, not being able to give a direct reply.
U have not only shot urself in the foot, but u are still holding on to the gun, looking at the hole in confusion while still putting ur copypaste fingers on the trigger.


If the original manuscript have helped u in ur faith, pls show us the original manuscript so that it can help us too. Or dnt u have it again?

I dnt want to explain the folly of ur post on the prophesy issue, I want you to show me or direct me to a link where any of ur major leaders believe the folly u posted on Islamic prophesy. I dnt want tp discuss something that real Moslems dnt believe in .