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elampiro:
na today Madrid the beat teams mercilessly without Ronaldo? Abeg Moyes is doing well. Martinez is the goat.

* let me divert. Who is the Moyes in Dortmund?

young - hardly fit -------- at least he was fit for a while, and played with Di Maria.
nani - loan----------------- can be recalled.
mata - number 10------- played many times in the wing for Chelsea.
rooney - number 10----- Can play from the wing.
Januzaj------- doing better than when CR7 just arrived from Portugal. Far better than Zaha.

Zaha = Pius Ikedia. Lots of dribbling but can't see team mate taking position.

coogar:
martinez faced moyes twice last season with an inferior team & he took 6 points off moyes. moyes is the fool here.



what has moyes gotta do with dortmund? you mean moyes is better than klopp?

coogar:
rooney can't play from the wings, he's too slow and he cannot dribble.

ronaldo at 18 is better than adnan @ 19.




he's better than valencia.

elampiro:
Man Utd 2-0 Wigan

Man Utd
01 De Gea
02 Rafael (Smalling 16)
03 Evra
04 Jones
15 Vidic
11 Giggs (Anderson 67)
16 Carrick
23 Cleverley yellow card
19 Welbeck (Januzaj 83)
20 Van Persie (Januzaj 84)
29 Zaha (Valencia 61)

Substitutes
13 Lindegaard,
06 Evans,
12 Smalling,
08 Anderson,
25 Valencia,
26 Kagawa,
44 Januzaj


* This was the match it was immediately evident that Valencia was miles ahead of Zaha. Zahba was our worst player. When Val came on the difference was immediately seen.

We can see that Moyes wanted to help Zaha but Zaha ws not ready.

coogar:
how was it evident in the line up you wrote that valencia was better than zaha? united scored all their goals while zaha was on the pitch. valencia made no difference to the scoreline. are we back to pulling conjectures from the air to sway arguments in 2015?

elampiro:
* Where is Martinez now? Does he want to take Everton to relegation? A team Moyes built so well?

* On Dortmund. I mean, a team that were serious title contenders last seasons, has been turned to a relegation battling team by Moyes. If only Klopp were around, Dortmund would be 3 points behind B.Munich at the worst.

Rooney has played in the wing almost as same time he has played in the middle in his Man United career. And even England. Last match he did well everytime he went to the wing, and he even gave a cross from an almost impossible angle/situation.

* Zaha is better than Val, yet he was sold? Why always unused players seen as better?

coogar:
martinez is doing very well. he's going through the second season syndrome. it happens. martinez is currently 12th on the table. hardly a crisis!

moyes finished 17th in his first full season at everton. yes, he built the club so well. a manager that spent 12 seasons in a club and failed to win at anfield, emirates, old trafford & stamford bridge is a disgrace.

moyes is a failure.



these things happen......
klopp won the league at dortmund twice, played in the final of elite europe. moyes won nothing in 12 seasons @ everton. martinez won FA cup for wigan.

a loser is a loser.



rooney at 22 is different from rooney at 29. why not resign beckham then, if it's about past glory? rooney that cannot outpace mascherano is who you want to put on the wing?



ronaldo was sold, rooney & berbatov must be better than him. bale was sold, lennon must be better than him. pique was sold, o'shea must be better than him.

strawman argument!

Karleb:
Ko kan aiye = it doesn't concern the word.

Kilode = What happened?

Someone has been cheating you abi?

elampiro:
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Danhumprey:
No,not really. I've been hearing those words/phrases and wonder what they mean.

But the first phrase is a bit confusing. I thought 'ko kan aiye' mean "I no send"?

elampiro:
Man Utd 2-0 Wigan

Man Utd
01 De Gea
02 Rafael (Smalling 16)
03 Evra
04 Jones
15 Vidic
11 Giggs (Anderson 67)
16 Carrick
23 Cleverley yellow card
19 Welbeck (Januzaj 83)
20 Van Persie (Januzaj 84)
29 Zaha (Valencia 61)

Substitutes
13 Lindegaard,
06 Evans,
12 Smalling,
08 Anderson,
25 Valencia,
26 Kagawa,
44 Januzaj


* This was the match it was immediately evident that Valencia was miles ahead of Zaha. Zahba was our worst player. When Val came on the difference was immediately seen.

We can see that Moyes wanted to help Zaha but Zaha ws not ready.

chrisley024:
After only a game? It's unfair some players are shut out of the team after some very few game time poor performance while others can be shyte for a longer time and yet keep making the 1st team.

elampiro:
I am sure if we were doing well, he would have been given more playing time. But how does a coach sacrifice when he is struggling? The most difficult thing was that Zaha went to Cardiff and was relegated to the bench after a a few games. What does that tell anyone? He has only had two 90 minutes for Palace this season.

Zaha at Cardiff
Mins played 585 (5 starts, 7 subs).
goals 0, Assist 1
Pass accuracy 79%
Dispossessed every 15 minutes. The worst in Cardiff.
Unsuccessful touch every 34 minutes. Second worst player for Cardiff.

Zaha at Palace
Mins played 776 (9 starts, 7 subs).
goals 1, Assist 1
Pass accuracy 77%
Dispossessed every 43 minutes. The worst behind Chamakh.
Unsuccessful touch every 33 minutes. Second worst player behind Chamakh.

This season for instance, Zaha only had 90 minutes against Sundrland and Villa. His playing time keeps deteriorating. He hardly gets picked against teams occupying the top 8 position in the EPL. Even when he manages to feature he gets less than 25 mins of playing time. No doubt he is a good dribbler, but not at all a good footballer for the now.

chrisley024:
He needs good mgt but it's unfortunate it is not yet available like how Ronaldo had it.

elampiro:
* Where is Martinez now? Does he want to take Everton to relegation? A team Moyes built so well?

* On Dortmund. I mean, a team that were serious title contenders last seasons, has been turned to a relegation battling team by Moyes. If only Klopp were around, Dortmund would be 3 points behind B.Munich at the worst.

Rooney has played in the wing almost as same time he has played in the middle in his Man United career. And even England. Last match he did well everytime he went to the wing, and he even gave a cross from an almost impossible angle/situation.

* Zaha is better than Val, yet he was sold? Why always unused players seen as better?

parrotibaba:
did u smoke salt? is Moyes at Dortmund or Real sociedad ?

parrotibaba:
dats a fat lie

parrotibaba:
did u sell zaha? Fact is Zaha was never given any chance to play at united

elampiro:
Parrotibaba. Eze goes to school.



Rooney's first two seasons were basically from the wings. In other seasons he got plenty games in the wings too.

For England, he had always been in the wing mostly.



It's being reported the lad has been sold. Na me talk am?

He was given a chance to prove himself at Cardiff and Palace.

parrotibaba:
on the Moyes/Dortmund issue ,I think u need to go back to school unless u clarify d statement dat I just quoted

parrotibaba:
on the Rooney/wing issue ,Rooney rarely played on d wing in his entire united career ,his first two seasons he played as an ss behind van nilsteroy n saha ,so I don't know where u got dat idea from

elampiro:
Ask yourself why is it you are the only one asking questions on this.



2007/2008 Red Devil Attack-

United had an extremely dangerous front line. Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, Carlos Tevez, Nani, and Louis Saha were all capable of playing positions up front and all of them were dangerous scoring threats (even Louis Saha, when healthy). The most frequent starting lineup had Carlos Tevez starting centrally, while Cristiano Ronaldo would start on the right wing and Wayne Rooney would start on the left wing. There are few attacking lineups that could be more potent. Ronaldo scored 42 goals in 49 appearances, Tevez scored 19 in 48 appearances, and Rooney picked up 18 in 43 appearances. These three players scored 79 out of United’s 103 goals.

http://redrants.com/the-tactics-board-is-fergies-solution-the-4-2-1-3/


* I will try and fetch you more evidence. Even SAF explained in 2011 why he had to use Rooney in the wing for stretch of games.

parrotibaba:
2007/2008 season? guy e be like say u started supporting united newly ,Saha rarely played for united dat season n when he played was in d beginning of season after Rooney got injured against reading in our opening match ,when he returned ,he played behind tevez n dia combination was superb ,d match against hull city comes to mind ,Giggs/Nani/park started on d left while cr7 was on d right with d likes of carrick ,hagreaves(wen fit) n scholes playing in d midfield with Anderson when called upon

elampiro:
* Moyes did not inherit an Everton team which finished 4th-7th, but a relegation batting side. You see the difference.

* klopp: You said these things happen. Lol. Same way Moyes was the victim of circumstance at Man United. It could have still happen to SAF. According to the analysis I met on the thread, Klopp was suppose to be better than SAF. So if it happened to Klopp, it could have happened to SAF. Moyes fall enter aged team.

* Till Rooney plays in the wing before you say. In 2012/13 he won a MOTM playing n the right wing in a certain match. He scored two goals.

* You want to compare Ronaldo and Bale sale to that of Zaha? Ronaldo asked to go, Zaha is a reject. You think Zaha is a happy man now?

The midfield flop, 26, was once considered one of the best prospects in world football.

Sir Alex Ferguson signed him for £26m from Porto and saw him as a long-term replacement for Paul Scholes.

But Anderson has been dogged by fitness and form issues and has played just two games this season under Louis van Gaal.

He is out of contract at the end of the season and United are willing to let him go for free now to join Internacional.

Mata confirmed Anderson was on his way and wrote in his blog: "I want to wish good luck to my friend Anderson, who is back to football in his native Brazil. All the best, my friend!"

Super agent Jorge Mendes is understood to be negotiating him a £25,000-a-week contract after tax at Internacional.

parrotibaba:
@Elampiro no need for long arguments ,like I said b4 Rooney rarely played/plays on d winger in his united career ,yes against Real Madrid ,Barcelona(in '09) he played on d wings but in he was never dia for long except when we play d 4-3-3 formation which SAF rarely played...



In d 2007/2008 season ,we had d likes of ji-sung-park ,Ryan giggs(he never played in midfield until in 09 when he began to tire n SAF thought it wise to utilize his experience in midfield) n Nani lining up on d left wing while d Rooney/Tevez combo terrorized opponents dat season ,I remember a commentator calling dat partnership d deadliest in Europe dat time ,den cr7 had d right wing all to himself n whenever he was injured or suspended, Nani moved to d right so I don't get where u got d idea dat Rooney lined up regularly on d left wing during dat season