The only thing that I know about SA mercenaries is that they will suck Nigerias oil money just like they did to the US. They bankrupted Sierra Leone, Liberia, Equitorial Guinea, etc wherever their services have been used.

FighterPilot:

Mercenaries are contracted secretly by secret services in a way which is clandestine in nature. Intelligence can never know everything every time unless it is a matter of concern. The intelligence after all is not prophetic in nature. They may also have been invited by phone call and meet in another country.

lol.a country does not employ the service of mercenaries through traceable phone calls.
your defense ministry and intelligence service failed to detect a covert infilteration and massive evacuation of known private mercenaries.arent those kind of people supposed to be kept under closely guarded watch?
now your ministry is crying foul and threatening armageddon.but they have recieved no response.

EVarn:
lol.a country does not employ the service of mercenaries through traceable phone calls.
your defense ministry and intelligence service failed to detect a covert infilteration and massive evacuation of known private mercenaries.arent those kind of people supposed to be kept under closely guarded watch?
now your ministry is crying foul and threatening armageddon.but they have recieved no response.

How do you know how they were employed?

You don't.

And how are mercenaries employed? Based on what?

This is what happened the last time.

There are strong suspicions that the South African government got wind of Mann and Du Toit’s plans – and even that the coup plotters naively thought Pretoria was turning a blind eye, preferring a white-mercenary-inspired coup to a nasty dictator.

Instead, the South African government didn’t just stop them, according to this account; it allowed them to get caught to send a strong message to future would-be mercenaries.

And how does our ministry crying foul change the fact that our mercenaries are operating in Nigeria?. No longer denying that, are you? On to the next desperate point now.

Some of the South Africans mercenaries are said to be involved in training Nigerian air force pilots and carrying out air strikes against the insurgents position.


My quote of the day from one Nigerian media.

FighterPilot:
The only thing that I know about SA mercenaries is that they will suck Nigerias oil money just like they did to the US. They bankrupted Sierra Leone, Liberia, Equitorial Guinea, etc wherever their services have been used.

well,it would be a pity if their return aircraft was to encounter an unfortunate accident that would lead to a shocking loss of life.

FighterPilot:
Some of the South Africans mercenaries are said to be involved in training Nigerian air force pilots and carrying out air strikes against the insurgents position.


My quote of the day from one Nigerian media.

EVarn:
lol.a country does not employ the service of mercenaries through traceable phone calls.
your defense ministry and intelligence service failed to detect a covert infilteration and massive evacuation of known private mercenaries.arent those kind of people supposed to be kept under closely guarded watch?
now your ministry is crying foul and threatening armageddon.but they have recieved no response.

A phone call can only be traced back when it was either tapped or recorded. Other than that it can be just any innocent call to or from Nigeria.

In democratic country people cannot be asked or questioned about their trips and travelling in and out of the country.

FighterPilot:
The only thing that I know about SA mercenaries is that they will suck Nigerias oil money just like they did to the US. They bankrupted Sierra Leone, Liberia, Equitorial Guinea, etc wherever their services have been used.

Working for their retirement - and with the threats of arrest, their thirst for money has just been heightened. And Jonathan will pay up or they will stop working.

ThaVluit:

How do you know how they were employed?

You don't.

And how are mercenaries employed? Based on what?

This is what happened the last time.

There are strong suspicions that the South African government got wind of Mann and Du Toit’s plans – and even that the coup plotters naively thought Pretoria was turning a blind eye, preferring a white-mercenary-inspired coup to a nasty dictator.

Instead, the South African government didn’t just stop them, according to this account; it allowed them to get caught to send a strong message to future would-be mercenaries.

And how does our ministry crying foul change the fact that our mercenaries are operating in Nigeria?. No longer denying that, are you? On to the next desperate point now.

as far as we are concerned,there are no mercenaries in nigeria.

EVarn:
as far as we are concerned,there are no mercenaries in nigeria.

Based on your wishes and dreams, there are none. But based on evidence, there are. You have no counter-evidence.

EVarn:
as far as we are concerned,there are no mercenaries in nigeria.

Yes, because you say so.

FighterPilot:

A phone call can only be traced back when it was either tapped or recorded. Other than that it can be just any innocent call to or from Nigeria.In democratic country people cannot be asked or questioned about their trips and travelling in and out of the country.

they were contacted,physically adjudged and ferried out of SA by the nigerian DHQ while your defense ministry floundered cluelessly and your intelligence service was busy monitoring opposition parliamentarians.

EVarn:
they were contacted,physically adjudged and ferried out of SA by the nigerian DHQ while your defense ministry floundered cluelessly and your intelligence service was busy monitoring opposition parliamentarians.

Oh so they were contracted then?

Thanks, that's all we needed from you.

We are fine with your weak hypothesis if the conclusion is that they were contracted.

It ends all arguments.

And it also proves that you say things without thinking.

EVarn:
they were contacted,physically adjudged and ferried out of SA by the nigerian DHQ while your defense ministry floundered cluelessly and your intelligence service was busy monitoring opposition parliamentarians.

Who said they were farried? They could have used their own transport like any passanger dude. Many have done the same when they headed to Iraq.

FighterPilot:


Who said they were farried? They could have used their own transport like any passanger dude. Many have done the same when they headed to Iraq.

Let's say they were ferried. Fine. But then in the end, it's been accepted that they were contracted.

This is just smoke and mirrors. Don't worry about it.

The main point has always been that they are in Nigeria.

ThaVluit:


Oh so they were contracted then?

Thanks, that's all we needed from you.

We are fine with your weak hypothesis if the conclusion is that they were contracted.

It ends all arguments.

And it also proves that you say things without thinking.

you can possibly rely on an information without thorough evidence.

EVarn:
you can possibly rely on an information without thorough evidence.

I can assure you that not a single reader of this point gets your point.

FighterPilot:


Who said they were farried? They could have used their own transport like any passanger dude. Many have done the same when they headed to Iraq.

lol.for a while there you sounded clueless.
how can 100 ex-service men,with reputations as fierce mercenaries be allowed to board a plane to abuja through any of your international airports without raising a sandstorm of suspicion?,hmm?....
your defense ministry would have detected almost immediately and your intelligence service would have sanction them,whisking them off to court before they can beg for clemency.

ThaVluit:


I can assure you that not a single reader of this point gets your point.

you cant.thank God for that.

EVarn:
you cant.thank God for that.

No one can. Which can only mean one thing. It's gibberish.

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EVarn:
lol.for a while there you sounded clueless.
how can 100 ex-service men,with reputations as fierce mercenaries be allowed to board a plane to abuja through any of your international airports without raising a sandstorm of suspicion?,hmm?....
your defense ministry would have detected almost immediately and your intelligence service would have sanction them,whisking them off to court before they can beg for clemency.

LOL!! In SA there is no law that provide that people should be branded as mercenaries. It is only terrorists which should be clearly categorised in the world and surely not mercenaries. You can never know who is a mercenary. People leave their countries to work as mercenaries without their countries knowing my man. Previously, it was different when these groups were still operating within the legal framework until they were banned after they brought about conflict of commiting massacres.

FighterPilot:



LOL!! In SA there is no law that provide that people should be branded as mercenaries. It is only terrorists which should be clearly categorised in the world and surely not mercenaries. You can never know who is a mercenary. People leave their countries to work as mercenaries without their countries knowing my man. Previously, it was different when these groups were still operating within the legal framework until they were banned after they brought about conflict of commiting massacres.

same thing sweetheart,same thing!

EVarn:
same thing sweetheart,same thing!

Same thing what? @Evarn, there is no intelligence that will know when you have suddenly decided to become a terrorist overnight. Intelligence officers are not prophets. Same, there is no mercenary whose identity documentation has been blacklisted as such unless he or she has been prosecuted and convicted by court of law for commiting that offence in the past.

[size=18]After all, these serves as an evidence that Nigerian military is not a powerful force in Africa. It is just an army which has been granted glory for the work which have been achieved under the belt and arms of the UN. It is just an army which deceived many people about their capability which in actual fact was not genuine. All which they have achieved was in collaboration with other forces.[/size]

FighterPilot:


Same thing what? @Evarn, there is no intelligence that will know when you have suddenly decided to become a terrorist overnight. Intelligence officers are not prophets. Same, there is no mercenary whose identity documentation has been blacklisted as such unless he or she has been prosecuted and convicted by court of law for commiting that offence in the past.

for the fact that they are ex-service men and that they have also been deployed to conflict zone as mercenaries,the intelligence service should have their data report and continue monitoring them for any new 'illegal' transaction that could cause civil unrest.

Seeker 400 now in production for undisclosed (think north africa) customer. Lil birdy makes me believe that Armscor will issue a tender on behalf of the SANDF for something similar in the not too far future.

[b]"The Seeker 400 builds on the successful technology developed by Denel Dynamics for its Seeker 2 and Seeker 200, which has been operational in the United Arab Emirates. It is a larger aircraft, has a cruising speed of 150km/h and can carry a payload of 100 kg.

The Seeker 400 has the ability to simultaneously carry two different payloads such as synthetic aperture radar, optronics turret and a digital video system. The payloads can be interchanged in the field, allowing the Seeker to be tailored for different tactical situations.The Seeker 400 can be used for a wide range of military and civilian missions, including maritime surveillance and disaster reconnaissance. It has up to 16 hours endurance at altitudes of up to 18 000 ft.

At typical operating altitudes of between 4 500 and 9 000 ft, it is not visible to people on the ground and is effectively inaudible.The UAV's line-of-sight range is 250 km from its ground station, but this can be doubled by using a forward ground station with deployed forces. This involves the UAV being launched from a convenient airfield and flown to the area of operations, where it is handed-over to the forward ground station to control during the actual mission."[/b]

A-Darter programme nears completion

Helmoed-Römer Heitman, Pretoria - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
16 February 2015

The A-Darter is being marketed as an exceptionally agile fifth-generation missile. Source: Denel Dynamics
Denel Dynamics is close to completing the development of its A-Darter short-range air-to-air missile, the South African company has announced.

The missile is in the final stage of air-launched guided evaluation firing trials, which have seen two missiles being launched from a Saab JAS 39 Gripen at the end of 2014 against Skua high-speed targets to confirm the guidance, control, and free-flight seeker performance, including a lock-on-after-launch engagement. These firings demonstrated a high-G performance greater than required by the specification, the company said.

Two further missile firings are planned for the first part of this year to complete the testing process.

The next phase of the development programme will be formal qualification, which will be concluded with a series of guided firings involving both the South African and Brazilian air forces to confirm performance acceptance.

Meanwhile, Denel is getting ready to industrialise the A-Darter and is negotiating a production contract for the South African Air Force (SAAF) with the country's arms procurement agency, Armscor. Denel hopes to receive the contract during the first quarter of this year.

Denel is also in discussions with Brazil - which partnered with Denel in the A-Darter development - to begin industrialisation in that country.

Brazil's decision to acquire the Gripen E/F as its future fighter will, to some extent, simplify its A-Darter integration as the SAAF has already gone through this process with its older Gripens. Denel is also beginning work with BAE Systems on integrating the A-Darter with the SAAF's Hawk Mk 120 aircraft.

The A-Darter is a modern 'body-lift' missile with thrust-vector control that gives it a very high angle of attack. It uses a multi-element imaging infrared seeker with a 180° field of view, and digital processing based on the latest available hardware and software. Its rocket motor has a low launch signature, making it harder to detect by countermeasures systems.

An image from one of the tests shows an A-Darter engage a Skua target. The target is within the A-Darter's lethal envelope and would have been hit if the missile was carrying a live warhead. (Denel Dynamics)

saengine:


Seeker 400 now in production for undisclosed (think north africa) customer. Lil birdy makes me believe that Armscor will issue a tender on behalf of the SANDF for something similar in the not too far future.

[b]"The Seeker 400 builds on the successful technology developed by Denel Dynamics for its Seeker 2 and Seeker 200, which has been operational in the United Arab Emirates. It is a larger aircraft, has a cruising speed of 150km/h and can carry a payload of 100 kg.

The Seeker 400 has the ability to simultaneously carry two different payloads such as synthetic aperture radar, optronics turret and a digital video system. The payloads can be interchanged in the field, allowing the Seeker to be tailored for different tactical situations.The Seeker 400 can be used for a wide range of military and civilian missions, including maritime surveillance and disaster reconnaissance. It has up to 16 hours endurance at altitudes of up to 18 000 ft.

At typical operating altitudes of between 4 500 and 9 000 ft, it is not visible to people on the ground and is effectively inaudible.The UAV's line-of-sight range is 250 km from its ground station, but this can be doubled by using a forward ground station with deployed forces. This involves the UAV being launched from a convenient airfield and flown to the area of operations, where it is handed-over to the forward ground station to control during the actual mission."[/b]

Good progress

EVarn:
for the fact that they are ex-service men and that they have also been deployed to conflict zone as mercenaries,the intelligence service should have their data report and continue monitoring them for any new 'illegal' transaction that could cause civil unrest.

So, does it mean that their privacy should be encroached upon? Does it mean that their movements should be restricted within the borders of SA? The answer for both question is a big NO. Those people are not criminals and if being an ex-soldier makes you a criminal then I don't know.

FighterPilot:

So, does it mean that their privacy should be encroached upon? Does it mean that their movements should be restricted within the borders of SA? The answer for both question is a big NO. Those people are not criminals and if being an ex-soldier makes you a criminal then I don't know.

Only an idîot will not see how profound this post is.

FighterPilot:
[size=18]After all, these serves as an evidence that Nigerian military is not a powerful force in Africa. It is just an army which has been granted glory for the work which have been achieved under the belt and arms of the UN. It is just an army which deceived many people about their capability which in actual fact was not genuine. All which they have achieved was in collaboration with other forces.[/size]

Maybe you should engage them in a conventional war and see how weak they are...Any kudos for been over fed by western media and Nigeria's political higy Hager D;