agaugust:





SOURCE REPEATED MANY TIMES...YOUR PHANTOM CLAIMS COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED BY YOUR OWN SANDF OFFICIAL SOURCES :

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2015/01/27/sandf-unaware-of-soldiers-in-nigeria

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Correct, there are no SANDF men in Nigeria

There are however South African mercenaries in Nigeria

EVarn:
that is simply politics.
and it was played for a good reason,not because of a madman's thirst for power.

Your reasoning is stupid. We don't want to know why did it happened, we only wanted to know if it did happen or not.

EVarn:
[citation needed]

LOL!! so do I also have to provide citation for you being in SA.

agaugust:


Those Southies are fools on nairaland, South African mercenaries have NEVER flown jet fighters in their lives. Where is their airbase in South Africa and the name of the jets they fly? Zima will allow racist era white ex-soldiers to operate private air force inside South Africa? Nobody flies a jet fighter in combat without standard qualifying pilot hours of practice on a yearly regular basis.

Nigeria is Alpha jet master of this world, even Germany and France that built Alpha jet cannot match us, NAF has used Alpha jet in combat for 25 years. The NAF Alpha jets of today are new upgrades with laser guided bombs and other PGM. F-7 jet cannot be flown without training in China, so how does a local Soweto based mercenary fly F-7 supersonic jet?

SA mercenaries are obsolete rifle men of 1980s era, how will they train Nigeria to operate BTR-4 IFV that is ultra modern and entered service around 2010 ? Missile armed drones, ATR-42 Surveyor ELINT aircraft, equipment that even today's SANDF does not have, how will 1980s old mercenary from Soweto teach Nigeria to use it?

Norinco LG-3 AGL, BVP M80 IFV, latest generation of sophisticated equipments that never existed in apartheid era, how does a mercenary of 1980 operate that, talk less of teaching another person to use it.

Nigeria is flying Mi-35 Hind E combat helicopter gunship 2014 latest version with FLIR/TV and advanced avionics that no Southie mercenary has ever seen in his life time....only Russia can train a user on Hind E....how does a rifle man mercenary train NAF on ultra modern equipment that even SAAF and SANDF does not have today 2015 ?

Chief those Nairaland Southies are the fools I said they are
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Paramount has a squadron of Mirages and a flying/training school

You are confusing technical training and tactical training. We dont teach you how to maintain and service equipment we teach you how to use it in combat

Your alpha jets are a joke and you have yet to show us that they can drop PGM's. Germany and France only use them as trainers.

Fact of the matter is that we train you

Patchesagain:


Paramount has a squadron of Mirages and a flying/training school

You are confusing technical training and tactical training. We dont teach you how to maintain and service equipment we teach you how to use it in combat

Your alpha jets are a joke and you have yet to show us that they can drop PGM's. Germany and France only use them as trainers.

Fact of the matter is that we train you

I just don't get it, NA has been the one that was being trained by the US until nigeria terminated it citing odd practices. NAF however, has enough pilots and are even training in russia and Pakistan for the new incoming platforms. so, use common sense and stop being ignorant.

Perhaps, news of sadf in nigeria will make your girlfriends cum as you've not being able to get them to. I dont get all the fuss

3 of one of these will soon be bought...

I wish I knew the exact specifications so I could narrow down the list... all i know is that SAN want the OPV to be over 90 meters and be around 2000t or over, have facilities to house an organic helo, and be able to launch and recover said helo in sea-state 4.

These vessels are those which match the criterion (that I know of) and are from shipyards that have been linked to Biro.

Anyone know what the IPV specifications are? All I know is that they are to be around 300t to 500t

Pic 1: Damen OPV2600
Pic 2: Navantia Avante 2200
Pic 3: Lurssen Patrol Vessel PV 80
Pic 4: Gowind OPV

I personally like the OPV2600 (now that I have read up on it), the Avante 220 and Gowind. In my opinion the Lurssen is too limiting of a design

Istanbul Shipyards is also interested - suggesting that the MILGEM Corvette is an option, and this makes me happy because it is a beast - but not really what (i think) we are looking for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZkmh1hnxms

Msauza:


Your reasoning is stupid. We don't want to know why did it happened, we only wanted to know if it did happen or not.

dismissed

Msauza:


LOL!! so do I also have to provide citation for you being in SA.

yes,citation needed to support your claim.what makes you so sure that i'm in SA?

iterator24:
I just don't get it, NA has been the one that was being trained by the US until nigeria terminated it citing odd practices. NAF however, has enough pilots and are even training in russia and Pakistan for the new incoming platforms. so, use common sense and stop being ignorant.

Perhaps, news of sadf in nigeria will make your girlfriends cum as you've not being able to get them to. I dont get all the fuss

Facts are facts

and its not the SANDF in Nigeria - its South African contractors and we are trying to teach you how to use equipment, not how to operate or maintain it.

I cannot stress how big the difference between operating/maintaining equipment and using it effectively is.

Patchesagain:


Facts are facts

and its not the SANDF in Nigeria - its South African contractors and we are trying to teach you how to use equipment, not how to operate or maintain it.

I cannot stress how big the difference between operating/maintaining equipment and using it effectively is.

so Nigerian army can't 'use' equipments, is that what you're saying?

agaugust:


Those Southies are fools on nairaland, South African mercenaries have NEVER flown jet fighters in their lives. Where is their airbase in South Africa and the name of the jets they fly? Zima will allow racist era white ex-soldiers to operate private air force inside South Africa? Nobody flies a jet fighter in combat without standard qualifying pilot hours of practice on a yearly regular basis.

Nigeria is Alpha jet master of this world, even Germany and France that built Alpha jet cannot match us, NAF has used Alpha jet in combat for 25 years. The NAF Alpha jets of today are new upgrades with laser guided bombs and other PGM. F-7 jet cannot be flown without training in China, so how does a local Soweto based mercenary fly F-7 supersonic jet?

SA mercenaries are obsolete rifle men of 1980s era, how will they train Nigeria to operate BTR-4 IFV that is ultra modern and entered service around 2010 ? Missile armed drones, ATR-42 Surveyor ELINT aircraft, equipment that even today's SANDF does not have, how will 1980s old mercenary from Soweto teach Nigeria to use it?

Norinco LG-3 AGL, BVP M80 IFV, latest generation of sophisticated equipments that never existed in apartheid era, how does a mercenary of 1980 operate that, talk less of teaching another person to use it.

Nigeria is flying Mi-35 Hind E combat helicopter gunship 2014 latest version with FLIR/TV and advanced avionics that no Southie mercenary has ever seen in his life time....only Russia can train a user on Hind E....how does a rifle man mercenary train NAF on ultra modern equipment that even SAAF and SANDF does not have today 2015 ?

Chief those Nairaland Southies are the fools I said they are
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how will they train Nigeria to operate BTR-4 IFV that is ultra modern and entered service around 2010

They will train you how to employ it properly. They will teach you about mobility warfare and logistics

Missile armed drones,

You dont have any

ATR-42 Surveyor ELINT aircraft

We will teach you how to fuse the data it collects with ground operations. Again - we teach you how to effectivly use equipment, not operate it.

Norinco LG-3 AGL, BVP M80 IFV, latest generation of sophisticated equipments that never existed in apartheid era, how does a mercenary of 1980 operate that, talk less of teaching another person to use it.

The SADF was the first major military to standardize the use of MGL's, and we currently have a standardized AGL (while you only have them in limited numbers), so yes - there is plenty we can teach you about both.

BVP M80? You mean an IFV from the 1980's? How is that latest generation? And it very much existed in the apartheid era!

Furthermore, your major failing is assuming all these men training your army are from the SADF... what is to say that they are not men who have left the SANDF for more money or through retirement?

Clown, you could potentially have men who flew Rooivalk in the early 2000's flying your Hinds for you.

Yet again, your argument is based on an ad hominem, and yet again, I have wrecked it.

iterator24:
so Nigerian army can't 'use' equipments, is that what you're saying?

Maybe some can, probably most cant.

Look, driving a MBT and using it in combat (ie: crew tasks) is actually pretty simple stuff, all of us on this forum would be able to do it with less than a weeks training (we would be very bad, but we could do the basics).

So, no, most likely they are not there to teach you how to operate equipment.

They are most likely there to teach you how to effectively employ equipment.

But I dont understand why the argument is limited to equipment - why are we fixating on this?

Many men will simply be there as "teachers" - passing on knowledge to infantry about small squad tactics, maneuvers, CQB, bush warfare etc - A video posted on this forum very recently showed "white" men doing just that. And my bet is that the majority who were sent will be either "teaching" at training camps or advising in the field (being embedded with command) with a handfull providing more skilled training to air-crew or command elements.

This is exactly the model that Executive Outcomes employed in operations against UNITA in Angola

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38048&catid=111&Itemid=242 Nai-gerians Igbo take note. Stil thinking about 2050? FAGG@RTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Patchesagain:


You dont have any missile armed drones

Kind of mess that made me leave this forum....it has become a waste of time
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agaugust:

https://beegeagle./2013/12/03/nigerian-air-force-alenia-atr-42-500-mpa-surveyor-naf-931-now-a-more-advanced-special-mission-aircraft-undergoes-elint-upgrade-world-exclusive-photo/
Kind of mess that made me leave this forum....it has become a waste of time
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You left this forum because events have made it impossible for you to claim that you have even a remotely decent military in Nigeria.

Msauza:


Your reasoning is stupid. We don't want to know why did it happened, we only wanted to know if it did happen or not.

Exactumondo!

WARPLANE STRIKES A NIGER TOWN,KILLING ALMOST 30 LOCALS
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http://news.yahoo.com/air-strike-niger-village-kills-least-20-local-132540545.html;_ylt=A9mSs3dduRU73gAeV5LBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTE0NXVscG5pBHNIYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2IyMgR2dGIkA1VJVUtDMDFfMQ--
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Breaking reports confirms that a mysterious fighter jet has carried out airstrikes on a niger village,on the border with nigeria,killing about 20-30 locals who were observing a mourning funeral.
So far,the identity of the fighter jet remains unknown,but Nigeria denied knowing anything about the airstrikes.
"it is not to my knowledge and there havent been any report of an airstrike from my people" said commodore dele alonge,a senior official of the nigerian airforce.
But local leaders have laid blame on nigeria
"at first,we thought that it was a mistake by the chadian or niger airforce,but we later ascertained that it was perpetrated by the nigerian military",a similar airstrike was said to have occured in chadian held gamboru,killing one person.

Gripens and Hawks over Waterkloof AFB Pretoria today.

EVarn:
WARPLANE STRIKES A NIGER TOWN,KILLING ALMOST 30 LOCALS
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http://news.yahoo.com/air-strike-niger-village-kills-least-20-local-132540545.html;_ylt=A9mSs3dduRU73gAeV5LBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTE0NXVscG5pBHNIYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2IyMgR2dGIkA1VJVUtDMDFfMQ--
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Breaking reports confirms that a mysterious fighter jet has carried out airstrikes on a niger village,on the border with nigeria,killing about 20-30 locals who were observing a mourning funeral.
So far,the identity of the fighter jet remains unknown,but Nigeria denied knowing anything about the airstrikes.
"it is not to my knowledge and there havent been any report of an airstrike from my people" said commodore dele alonge,a senior official of the nigerian airforce.
But local leaders have laid blame on nigeria
"at first,we thought that it was a mistake by the chadian or niger airforce,but we later ascertained that it was perpetrated by the nigerian military",a similar airstrike was said to have occured in chadian held gamboru,killing one person.

I see the Southies can't talk because if they do, it will be their mercs who will take the blame. Up South African precision mercs

Patchesagain:


Facts are facts

and its not the SANDF in Nigeria - its South African contractors and we are trying to teach you how to use equipment, not how to operate or maintain it.

I cannot stress how big the difference between operating/maintaining equipment and using it effectively is.

There is no proof of so called "south-african contractors" in Nigeria.

The Nigerian military has denied it, same as the government of South-Africa.

You are confusing Afrikanners visting T.B joshua's churc

Patchesagain:


Facts are facts

and its not the SANDF in Nigeria - its South African contractors and we are trying to teach you how to use equipment, not how to operate or maintain it.

I cannot stress how big the difference between operating/maintaining equipment and using it effectively is.

There is no proof of so called "south-african contractors" in Nigeria.

The Nigerian military have denied it, same as the government of South-Africa.

You are confusing Afrikanners visting T.B joshua's church and christ embassy for mercs. For this legitimate mistake I forgive you .

Patchesagain:


Maybe some can, probably most cant.

Look, driving a MBT and using it in combat (ie: crew tasks) is actually pretty simple stuff, all of us on this forum would be able to do it with less than a weeks training (we would be very bad, but we could do the basics).

So, no, most likely they are not there to teach you how to operate equipment.

They are most likely there to teach you how to effectively employ equipment.

But I dont understand why the argument is limited to equipment - why are we fixating on this?

Many men will simply be there as "teachers" - passing on knowledge to infantry about small squad tactics, maneuvers, CQB, bush warfare etc - A video posted on this forum very recently showed "white" men doing just that. And my bet is that the majority who were sent will be either "teaching" at training camps or advising in the field (being embedded with command) with a handfull providing more skilled training to air-crew or command elements.

This is exactly the model that Executive Outcomes employed in operations against UNITA in Angola

Thank you for bringing this up. The video shows white men providing technical support. The video also shows the same white men carrying Tavor-21 carbines.

South-Africans do not use the Tavor-21.

The Nigerian Army been supported do not also use the Tavor-21.

So, provide a guess which country the white guys come from?

rka1:
I see the Southies can't talk because if they do, it will be their mercs who will take the blame. Up South African precision mercs

lol.can you just imagine.they would have rushed here to make asinine remarks about how their mercenaries are piloting our aircrafts and blowing up our enemies,if it wasnt that it would make their mercs look incompetent.seriously,these guys are cloned clowns;made from rubber,gum and monkey bones.

Henry120:


Thank you for bringing this up. The video shows white men providing technical support. The video also shows the same white men carrying Tavor-21 carbines.

South-Africans do not use the Tavor-21.

The Nigerian Army been supported do not also use the Tavor-21.

So, provide a guess which country the white guys come from?

from the holy land. Nigeria have had a long standing capacity building and skill transfer relationship with the jews. not only for the Army, i think it actually started with the Dss and now other agencies are joining in.

DieVluit:


Exactumondo!

i knew that you will talk,that your mouth that is running like peppersoup will soon be shamefully silenced when our troops finally put an end to BH menace,and reduce terrorist activities to the barest minimum.
you will have no choice than to shamefully cover your face and go into exile if you are an honourable man.

Henry120:


Thank you for bringing this up. The video shows white men providing technical support. The video also shows the same white men carrying Tavor-21 carbines.

South-Africans do not use the Tavor-21.

The Nigerian Army been supported do not also use the Tavor-21.

So, provide a guess which country the white guys come from?

The pictures and videos are not the primary evidence of the presence of South African mercenaries in Nigeria.

The story was there long before the emergence of the pictures or videos. So, dismissing the pictures and videos does not dismiss the story.

In fact, the whole picture and video thing is a strawman.

ThaVluit:



The pictures and videos are not the primary evidence of the presence of South African mercenaries in Nigeria.

The story was there long before the emergence of the pictures or videos. So, dismissing the pictures and videos does not dismiss the story.

In fact, the whole picture and video thing is a strawman.

Patches689 brought up "white men in a video", to support his argument.

You should tell him to provide proper evidence, same as you, to proof your wild imaginations.

From the video, the Nigerian military has nothing to hide, neither do we. We have said consistently, Israelis provide support to the military. The video is only another validation of this widely know fact.

The story about south-african mercs have been denied by both the Nigerian and South-African governments.

overhypedsteve:
from the holy land. Nigeria have had a long standing capacity building and skill transfer relationship with the jews. not only for the Army, i think it actually started with the Dss and now other agencies are joining in.

Long before the DSS was even formed.

Henry120:


Long before the DSS was even formed.

i do not know if there was any such agreement with the then NSA which was later transformed to SSS. but i know that the SSS enjoys this kind of relationship with the israelis. when i said DSS i meant far back when the organization was formed
i still have old family collections of top SSS officials on training in Israel.

overhypedsteve:
i do not know if there was any such agreement with the then NSA which was later transformed to SSS. but i know that the SSS enjoys this kind of relationship with the israelis. when i said DSS i meant far back when the organization was formed
i still have old family collections of top SSS officials on training in Israel.

We are saying the exact same time. NSO changed to SSS.