Energy exists, God exists, we do not know where both are from we can only try to understand how they work. Time on the other hand only matters to us because we are mortals. We are born, we live, and we die.
Evolution on the other hand is plausible only if there is a force behind it. That force is the almighty. There are many things science cannot explain and there are many things religion cannot explain. Both of them attempt to find answers to the Genesis but both run out of answers along the way.

When u get to heaven ask Him. He was not created and no one created Him.

Banjoramos:
Who Created God?

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said that some people would ask this very question: "A day will certainly come when some people will sit with their legs crossed and ask: 'If God created everything, who created God?'" (Al-Bukhari)
At best, the question is based on perceived "cause and effect" relationships. Everything can be thought of as an effect and attributed to a prior cause that, in turn, is attributed to a prior cause, and so on.

However, we must remember that cause is only a hypothesis, for it has no objective existence. All that objectively exists is a particular sequence of circumstances that is often (but not always) repeated. If such a hypothesis is applied to existence, we cannot find a creator of the first cause, because each creator must have had a prior creator. The end result is a never-ending chain of creators.

The Creator must be Self-Subsistent and One, without like or equal. If any created being "causes" anything, that capacity "to cause" was created within that being, for only the Creator is Self-Existent and Self-Subsistent.

Only the Creator truly creates and determines possible causes and effects for His creation. Therefore, we speak of God as the Sustainer, who holds and gives life to all of His Creation.

All causes begin in Him, and all effects end in Him. In truth, created things are "0"s that will never add up to anything, unless God bestows real value or existence by placing a positive "1" before the "0".

In the sphere of existence, what we call causes and effects have no direct or independent influence. We may have to use such words to understand how a part of creation is made intelligible to us and available for our use.
But even this confirms our dependence upon God and our answerability before Him. God does not need causes and effects to create; rather, we need them to understand what He has created.

The futile notion of a never-ending chain of creators was one of the arguments used by Muslim theologians to explain the necessity of believing in God.
To be continue......

Please finish up on this. I have been waiting a long time to get the perception of an open minded Muslim on this subject matter. Seems you fit the bill. I'v a lot of questions but first I'll like to read the concluding part of your write up.

mmsen:


You believe in a god for which you have no proof.

Many of you 'god fearing' types follow religious creeds where you are openly told to rely on 'faith' and not ask questions but you demand that everyone else come up with evidence.

It is for the claimant to show proof of the claim. Otherwise the default position is to dismiss the claim.

You fail to be logical because you (like billions others) have been brainwashed into believing it is your duty to defend the irrational.

Interesting...

I like minds like yours...

Minds that thinks so rationally and so "outside the box" that its stuck in the clouds, no pun intended.

As pertinent as it may seem to help bring u back to earth, I would in the light of "common sense" refrain from doing so, reasons being that I am not sure wheter or not you are open to sound resoning and logic or you are stuck on "claims" and blind arguments.

That being said I would still give a few pointers to better butress my points, there is a God, and he created all things, my proof? Science.

Let me know if your are scientifically inclined to listen to the facts and I would go further to argue my point

OBlaize:


Interesting...

I like minds like yours...

Minds that thinks so rationally and so "outside the box" that its stuck in the clouds, no pun intended.

As pertinent as it may seem to help bring u back to earth, I would in the light of "common sense" refrain from doing so, reasons being that I am not sure wheter or not you are open to sound resoning and logic or you are stuck on "claims" and blind arguments.

That being said I would still give a few pointers to better butress my points, there is a God, and he created all things, my proof? Science.

Let me know if your are scientifically inclined to listen to the facts and I would go further to argue my point

am really curious to know more.. ok continue... Show us how science is your proof?... but please be as snappy as possible i hate reading long posts

OBlaize:


Interesting...

I like minds like yours...

Minds that thinks so rationally and so "outside the box" that its stuck in the clouds, no pun intended.

As pertinent as it may seem to help bring u back to earth, I would in the light of "common sense" refrain from doing so, reasons being that I am not sure wheter or not you are open to sound resoning and logic or you are stuck on "claims" and blind arguments.

That being said I would still give a few pointers to better butress my points, there is a God, and he created all things, my proof? Science.

Let me know if your are scientifically inclined to listen to the facts and I would go further to argue my point

There is no proof of god - religious people would not need to run around screaming, abusing and killing people because of their 'faith'.

Faith, by default, would entail a lack of scientific proof.

macof:



If you have studied evolution and cosmology you would realize that it must have taken the universe millions of tests and trials constituting failures before getting to this point which is still far from perfection...if that can ever be achieved

and the only reason why any part of an organism exist is because it is useful to that species, if some humans suddenly were to take interest in other things "unhuman" right now, in a couple thousands of years provided there's continuity they would develop physical changes to best suit such interest and in a million years of continuity an organ might cease to exist or a different organ might jst pop out

Lemme ask u something to get ur brain working...
hw do u think races came to be? even ur Bible is silent on that

Question for you on evolution, as I agree with your ideas of use and disuse
Who started the initial process, the very first seeding -?
Evolution is an optimization process, you cannot optimise something that does not exist, so who created the very first model or sample, even if it was a tadpole?

AutosBay:
God has no beginning and no end, he is the word.

What a lame and baseless assertion.

DProDG:


Your silly questions clearly show you lack basic understanding of the big bang and evolution. I usually avoid using simple grammar when discussing science related topics(for obvious reason) but since you do not want "hard grammar", okay...

The joystick(penis) changed(evolved) along with the vj(vagina), in every animal(specie). That is the reason they go together. One relies on the other(they are interdependent).

The big bang & evolution did not "know" anything. Animals(life) changed(evolved) to fit into their surroundings. Animals that live in ice grew fur, those in water, gills etc. In short, animals(and plants) did not have what they needed provided for them by the big bang(or God) but evolved structures to survive according to their surrounding(environment). The known requirements(criteria) for life has changed several times. We(scientists) all thought that life could not exist up-up(troposphere), 100feet under ice, 1000s of meters in the oceans etc. Here's an analogy to help you understand what I mean. The pothole in the ground left after a rain was not designed* for the water, but yet it fits perfectly OR the crack in the ground was not designed* for a flower but yet it grows out of it and survives perfectly.

"God exists outside space and time" is only an assertion and remains that until there is empirical evidence that supports it. You're free to believe whatever you want but leave it at that, faith. Bringing it into science usually ends up futile.

I do agree with you that the big bang was just a huge Che&Therm and Nuclear burst (plus any other type of energy exchange that we have not discovered). How ever, you are Jumping the gun on evolution which is just an optimization. How did evolution start without an initiator?

- Energy Can NEVER Be Created Nor Destroyed but can be converted from one form to the other - Science
- God is the Begining and the End, and changes form, like a Burning Bush in Moses' case, becomes humans and beg for oil and food - Religion.

I can deduce that What religion call God, is what Science calls Energy. The only thing that makes sense out of reasoning is science, NOT religion.

I go with science, the God we seek, is us, because we are energy-made-up. The chair is made of God, TV is made of God, Electricity activates electrodes, that's God. So God is everything, and it doesnt just exist as a being.

There is NO God, but Energy. Just call it Energy. Even when we die we become energy forms called ghosts and spirits. Ever wonder the reason ghost bursters use electrical impulse meters to detect presence of ghosts ? Cos they are energy forms.

There is No being called God but Energy. And Energy is everywhere.

GerogeI:


I do agree with you that the big bang was just a huge Che&Therm and Nuclear burst (plus any other type of energy exchange that we have not discovered). How ever, you are Jumping the gun on evolution which is just an optimization. How did evolution start without an initiator?

Have you read about evoluton at all? simple question, please give me a truthful answer..

All of creation goes back to the Creator Who created all things. No one created Him; He created everything other than Himself. This is what makes sense and is logical. This Creator is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted.

With regard to what our religion tells us, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us about this question, where it comes from, and how to respond to it.

Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “People will keep on asking questions until someone will say, ‘Allaah created the universe, but who created Allaah?’ Whoever encounters anything like that, let him say, ‘Amantu Billaah (I believe in Allaah).’”

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to one of you and say, ‘Who created the heaven? Who created the earth?’ He will say, ‘Allaah’” – then he mentioned something similar (to the previous report), and added, “And His Messengers.” [i.e., amantu Billaah wa Rusulihi = I believe in Allaah and His Messengers]

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to one of you and say, ‘Who created such and such?’ until he says to him, ‘Who created your Lord?’ When it reaches that stage, let him seek refuge with Allaah [say A’oodhu Billaahi min ash-shaytaan ir-rajeem = I seek refuge with Allaah from the accursed Shaytaan] and stop thinking about it.”

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to a person and say, ‘Who created such and such…’” and he narrated the whole report. (Imaam Muslim, 134).

In these ahaadeeth (Prophetic narrations) we see:

Where this question comes from – from the Shaytaan;

How to deal with it, which is:

to stop pursuing these thoughts and these tricks of the Shaytaan

to say, “I believe in Allaah and His Messengers”

to seek refuge with Allaah from the Shaytaan.

It was also reported that one should spit drily three times to one’s left, and recite Qul Huwa Allaahu ahad.

(See "Problems and Solutions" in the Shaykh’s Books section of this website).

3. With regard to the prior existence of Allaah, our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has told us about this, for example:

He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O Allaah, You are the First and there is nothing before You; O Allaah, You are the Last and there is nothing after You.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2713)

He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah existed when there was nothing apart from Him.” According to another report: “There was nothing before Him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari; the first report 3020; the second report 6982).

This is in addition to what is stated in the aayaat (verses) of the Qur’aan. The believer believes without a doubt, the non Muslim denies and the munaafiq (hypocrite) doubts. We ask Allaah to grant us sincere and certain faith with no doubts. And Allaah is the Source of strength.

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am really curious to know more.. ok continue... Show us how science is your proof?... but please be as snappy as possible i hate reading long posts[/quote
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As you may know, our sun is a star, at its core, the sunn is about 27,000,000 degrees fahrenheit. If you could take a ppin sized head of the sun's core and put it here on earth you could not safely stand within 90 miles of its heat. The sun is so huge, that over 1,300,000 of our earth.

Who is behind such magnificience? Man? No one? Chance? Matter?

And that's one of many scientific evidences.

More coming up in a bit

Ok.I haven't read all the comments but I got this to say

"
Who Made God?
Picture a father talking with his seven- year-old son. He says, “Long, long ago, God made the earth and everything in it, and he made the sun, the moon, and the stars.” The boy thinks about this for a few moments and then asks, “Daddy, who made God?”
“Nobody made God,” the father replies. “He has always existed.” That simple statement satisfies the child for now. As he grows older, however, the question continues to intrigue him. He finds it hard to comprehend how anyone could be without a beginning. Why, even the universe had a beginning. ‘Where did God come from?’ he wonders.
How does the Bible answer? Essentially, in much the same way as did the father in our example. Moses wrote: “O Jehovah, . . . before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, from everlasting to everlasting, you are God.” ( Psalm 90:1, 2 ) Likewise, the prophet Isaiah exclaimed: “Do you not know? Have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth, is a God for all eternity”! ( Isaiah 40:28 ) Similarly, the letter of Jude refers to God as existing “for all past eternity.”— Jude 25 .
Those scriptures show us that God is “the King of eternity,” as the apostle Paul describes him. ( 1 Timothy 1:17 ) This means that God has always existed, no matter how far back in time we cast our gaze. And he will always exist in the future. ( Revelation 1:8 ) Thus, his eternal existence is a fundamental attribute of the Almighty.
Why do we find this idea difficult to grasp? Because our limited life span gives us a completely different concept of time from that of Jehovah. Because God is eternal, to him a thousand years are like a day. ( 2 Peter 3:8 ) To illustrate: Could a grasshopper, which lives as an adult for only about 50 days, fathom our life span of 70 or 80 years? Hardly! Yet, the Bible explains that we are like grasshoppers in comparison with our Grand Creator. Even our ability to reason is dwarfed by his. ( Isaiah 40:22; 55:8, 9 ) So it is not surprising that there are aspects of Jehovah’s nature that escape full human understandin g.
Although the concept of an eternal God may be hard to grasp, we can see that it makes sense. If someone else had created God, that person would be the Creator. Yet, as the Bible explains, Jehovah is the one who “created all things.” ( Revelation 4:11 ) Furthermore, we know that the universe at one time did not exist. ( Genesis 1:1, 2 ) Where did it come from? Its Creator had to exist first. He also existed before there were any other intelligent beings, such as his only-begotte n Son and the angels. ( Job 38:4, 7; Colossians 1:15 ) Clearly, then, he existed alone first. He could not have been created; nothing was in existence that could have created him.
Our own existence and that of the entire universe testifies to the existence of an eternal God. The One who put our vast universe in motion, the One who established the laws to control it, must have always existed. Only he could have breathed life into everything else.— Job 33:4"


http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20140801/who-made-god/#p1-p10

johnydon22:


Have you read about evolution at all? simple question, please give me a truthful answer..

I have not only read about evolution, I simulate it to solve engineering optimization problems. Have you heard about Genetic Optimization algorithm or Evolution Strategies . It is easy to hamper on about the use and disuse, survival of the fittest and all the that, the hard part is who started it (I started the algorithms I run on my system), and where is the proof. If it is the millions of years and stagnant water crap, that has no proof or basis.

You are still rambling

But in a way I get where you are coming from

Man has wreaked a lot of havoc all in the name of "religion" but religious or no, the facts still remains, there is a God and I will prove it with sound scientific evidences if you would let me.

That you are not Aware of any scientific backings of creation does not dismiss its existence.

Open your eyes and look around you, nothing happens by chance because to every action, there is a reaction.

First law of motion states that "every objects continues in its state of rest untill a force acts upon it.

Think about that

mmsen:


There is no proof of god - religious people would not need to run around screaming, abusing and killing people because of their 'faith'.

Faith, by default, would entail a lack of scientific proof.

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Hahahahahahahaha this your proof? i was actually expecting something like that... it's called nuclear fusion..

I thought you had proof/evidences that a sky man exists...lolzzz

lolaxavier:


What a lame and baseless assertion.

If they accept that god has no end and beginning and it doesn't have a creator why can't they accept that the universe has no creator. Confused bunch of fellows these religious guys

Even there was a god, he died of malaria long time ago, therefore there is no god.

GerogeI:

I have not only read about evolution, I simulate it to solve engineering optimization problems. Have you heard about Genetic Optimization algorithm or Evolution Strategies . It is easy to hamper on about the use and disuse, survival of the fittest and all the that, the hard part is who started it (I started the algorithms I run on my system), and where is the proof. If it is the millions of years and stagnant water crap, that has no proof or basis.

And it's weird that someone with knowledge of evolution as you claim would ask how evolution started...

mmsen:


There is no proof of god - religious people would not need to run around screaming, abusing and killing people because of their 'faith'.

Faith, by default, would entail a lack of scientific proof.

Atheists argue that life popped out of nothing, therefore God is not needed in the equation. They are quick at using M and B word. They say Earth is billions of years old and man is millions of years old and evolved from tiny organisms. They have refused to give us detailed reasons why it took so long and every process man took, if possible catalyze the whole process, subsequently giving us a human being.
Let me use the experiment that Galileo Galilei used to stun the entire world of science; the experiment that every object falls at same rate when air resistance is absent. To do this, we have to pump out the air to give us a vacuum (though logic tells us the vacuum is something, the absence of air molecules gives us a perfect example of nothing since we are only concerned about the air molecules and its emptiness.)
Through this experiment, we see that for nothing(absence of air molecules) to exist, something must have triggered it. What if we want to get our air molecules back(a very important component of life itself)? Should we wait for a few days, months, years or centuries for air molecules to pop out of nothing? A sane mind will realise that something can't come out of nothing but nothing can come out of something. This proof singlehandedly shows that the genesis of the 'faith' of atheists is shaky.
Since its now being proofed that life started from something and not nothing (even nothing must come from something,) we can then try to highlight the properties and characteristics this something must possess:
1) Must be called God because everything was created by him because without him was anything made that was made.
2) He must be infinite because he is infinity, he came from infinity, therefore he has no source, neither can he have an end because he is infinite.
3) He must be all powerful and infinitely intelligent. The works of his hands are sufficient proof.
4) He must possess properties beyond normal, properties beyond our wisdom e.g an invisible Spirit. People will wish to argue this one but Hebrews 11:3 says: Through faith, we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that "things which are seen are not made of things which do appear". This applies to everything in the universe, including you and this knowledge is applied in the making of televisions and phones.
https://www.nairaland.com/2010775/absolute-proof-gods-existence

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Hahahahaha!!! LWKMD!!! This is your scientific proof , you can do better than this young lady.

OBlaize:
You are still rambling

But in a way I get where you are coming from

Man has wreaked a lot of havoc all in the name of "religion" but religious or no, the facts still remains, there is a God and I will prove it with sound scientific evidences if you would let me.

That you are not Aware of any scientific backings of creation does not dismiss its existence.

Open your eyes and look around you, nothing happens by chance because to every action, there is a reaction.

First law of motion states that "every objects continues in its state of rest untill a force acts upon it.

Think about that

And according to you, the material things were at rest until a force acted on them and this force you assume must be God...

OBlaize:
You are still rambling

But in a way I get where you are coming from

Man has wreaked a lot of havoc all in the name of "religion" but religious or no, the facts still remains, there is a God and I will prove it with sound scientific evidences if you would let me.

That you are not Aware of any scientific backings of creation does not dismiss its existence.

Open your eyes and look around you, nothing happens by chance because to every action, there is a reaction.

First law of motion states that "every objects continues in its state of rest untill a force acts upon it.

Think about that

Rambling:
Lengthy and digressive

rambling - (of e.g. speech and writing) tending to depart from the main point or cover a wide range of subjects; "amusingly digressive with satirical thrusts at women's fashions among other things"; "a rambling discursive book"; "his excursive remarks"; "a rambling speech about this and that"

My response was a few lines, as opposed to yours. Now tell me again who is rambling.

I will probably keep saying this until the day I die but my major gripe with many religious people is that I'm pretty sure that many of you have not read the religious texts on which you claim to stake your lives upon. It's either that or you do not understand the language in which the text is written. You have already displayed a poor grasp of English, your use of the adjective 'rambling' to describe my response would be more appropriate to describe your own lengthy tome.

There is no scientific backing for your god(s). None. You do not need 'faith' if you have proof. Even the Catholic Church has to push people to believe based on faith, if they had proof they would be ramming that down the throats of the foolish masses instead of their centuries old dogma.

Reading all theist arguments it all revolves around one thing "First cause Argument" Something can't come out nothing, therefore everything that exists must need a creator" lol...

Using a god that always existed doesnt solve this problem, it only postpones it. Because you have to assume your god didn't need a creator (pops out of nothing) and created everything out of nothing.. Failing in your own argument..

If you can assume your god don't need a creator then i can say such for the universe.

But if something can't come and out of nothing then Your god cant exist on it's own it must have been created by another god, who then must have been created by another and the chain goes on

Bringing such a thing as "a god did it" is a huge stab in the intellectual curiosity of man and drastically reduces your willingness and ability to acquire the knowledge of how it happened.

Rogbese:
The moment you get to the point where you start asking "who created God," you have allowed Satan and his horde of demons into your life. Do not ask questions that will get you into trouble. Save your soul. The devil is looking for a multitude to take with him into the depths of Hell.

Nonsense! Why would God give us brains if we aren't allowed to think or ask questions? No wonder you guys are being fooled everyday by so-called men of God. Imagine ediots actually believing a pastor when he says pay money so I can check whether you name is in the book of life? The only people the devil will be taking with him is those who fail to use their brains.

johnydon22:


And it's weird that someone with knowledge of evolution as you claim would ask how evolution started...

Come on humour me. let me make my question very clear
The proof of evolution process of mutation, variation and what not, are not proofs of the origin of the ancestor that was the starting point of the evolution optimisation process. If you understand evolution as you claim, you will agree that the common ancestor did not come from evolution, so who brought him and initiated the evolution process please I won't accept stagnant water as an answer.

mmsen:
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Rambling:
Lengthy and digressive

rambling - (of e.g. speech and writing) tending to depart from the main point or cover a wide range of subjects; "amusingly digressive with satirical thrusts at women's fashions among other things"; "a rambling discursive book"; "his excursive remarks"; "a rambling speech about this and that"

My response was a few lines, as opposed to yours. Now tell me again who is rambling.

I will probably keep saying this until the day I die but my major gripe with many religious people is that I'm pretty sure that many of you have not read the religious texts on which you claim to stake your lives upon. It's either that or you do not understand the language in which the text is written. You have already displayed a poor grasp of English, your use of the adjective 'rambling' to describe my response would be more appropriate to describe your own lengthy tome.

There is no scientific backing for your god(s). None. You do not need 'faith' if you have proof. Even the Catholic Church has to push people to believe based on faith, if they had proof they would be ramming that down the throats of the foolish masses instead of their centuries old dogma.

Exactly! and once their is proof/evidence then its no longer belief (faith) but knowledge (certainty)

They seem to forget all they have about this their God(s) is just belief (faith), imagine how an evidence can come out of something believe by faith no matter how desperate the attempt may be..

I can say "i believe a blue flying unicorn with red horns created the universe" and i believe with faith

God and Religion are creations of the human race! Period.

Human beings created God.

KingEbukasBlog:

I just copied and pasted this question I asked davien , an atheist , simple questions ... no hard grammar ... he couldn't even reply .. maybe he was not knowledgeable enough to explain . So here it is :

Big bang , accretion of the earth I get . But life , evolution , simple to complex life , and provisions of the requirements to support life ? Hmmm

Now bro , look at male and female sexual organs . The man has a joystick , the female vj , you mean the whatever behind evolution know females needed vjs and males' joysticks for sex and vice versa. I mean a pipe and a hole , [same with other animals ](just added this ). Its a design for Christ sake and not accidental .

Look at fruits , vegetables , water - every animal need these things to survive . Big bang , Evolution knew that all these requirements will be needed all along ?

Now last bullet , what time , space was before the big bang ? The theory does not provide any sort of explanation for the initial conditions of our universe , but just describes it's formation afterwards. So explain

so macof your answers to these questions will give you a brilliant idea of what I meant by God exists outside space and time , I know you are smart , I believe in you

You should ask yourself why a perfect omnipotent being would create such a flawed system like sexual reproduction where two different organisms require a partner to reproduce and even at that there's no guarantee it'll work that's seems too inefficient for someone so powerful and wise also feeding where his creatures have to destroy his other creatures to survive, they also have to spend all their days in the pursuit of this sustainance.
Does it still seem like such a well crafted system to you now?

We leave in a physical world and understand the world through our physical senses, and for this our physical senses are doing quite a good job.

In trying to know via our physical senses how the world was created and if God exist poses a rather big challenge. WHY?

Our physical senses cannot understand beyond the physical, but the answers we are seeking are beyond the physical and as such our physical senses will never be able to give us the true picture nor answer.

Its just like how dogs can hear certain noise levels and we humans cannot, its simple that we are not equipped physically for that. How ever this does not mean that the sound heard by the dog does not exist.

Science tries to explain things from a physical point of view, it tells us the universe was created when the big bang occurred. But that's has far as their physical senses will allow them to reason. So then if we ask what created the big bang, we all get stuck.

My point is if you want to loosen a nut get a spanner, if you want to loosen screw get a screw driver, without the right tool we will not be able to answer nor understand these questions nor answer.

THIS IS THE LITTLE MY PHYSICAL MIND WAS ABLE TO CONCLUDE. PLEASE LETS KEEP AN OPEN MIND. ITS THE FIRST STEP TO UNDERSTANDING.