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bigfrancis21:


@bold...You've clearly edited your post to remove that part of your comment.

Morning ore.

That you can make the above claim is really unfortunate.

You must really be sniffing something. If you have made a mistake admit it and don't try to be smart by half impugning other peoples character.

For the avoidance of doubt I never removed modified any of my posts with such devilish intent. The fact thatyou can see post history means you're a mod and this is very unfortunate. Seun cannot monitor everyone but maybe his supermods can. Check the history and if you don't find any of such modification, ban yourself cos you have broken rule 2,3 and 7.

However ore, I can accuse you of such duplicity, bile and cunningness. You are used to it. Its what you do often, modifying comments.

Let me remind you of when I noticed your moniker: You got a source that said something like "50 influencial Nigerians abroad". You came here, made a thread having "20 influencial Nigerians..." And you went ahead to post Igbo names numbering even more than 20. When you were called out for the fraud you argued that it was the way those names were arranged from the source site and you quickly changed the title back to the original 50 after another person started posting the Yoruba names from.the same site.

Pls point out where I modified and let's discuss it.

P.S. I type from my phone and I mostly don't have the time to edit before posting. But the excuse us mostly for grammatical errors.

bigfrancis21:


Now, back to serious business. I don't quote from any chikolobi website. I quote from well-verified sites, as you can see from a couple of my posts back. In fact, which one have you quoted, o ye almighty all-knowing one? Oh I forgot, Ojukoro the Ilaje Yoruba boy who has never left south west all his entire life suddenly knows everything and carries everything in his head. I see you.

Wait o, that name sounds familiar in Igbo. Ojuokoro (o ju o koro = if it gets full, it gets stuck in Igbo), another Igbo name corrupted in Yoruba.

You quite annoyed me in your other post. This is more friendly and I will follow suit. I will also withdraw the caustic comment if you do yours. I'm not here to make enemies, it doesn't bring food to my table.

Back to your new accusation. Do you know the number of States I've been to by virtue of my work? I was tell the story of the igbo boy in Benue and some other Hausa guys in the north ( Bornu state actually), you think they are jokes or lies? No ore, that also doesn't also put food on my table. I've probably been to many note states than you have ever ventured going. Travelling is education and enlightenment. You aren't chating with someone seated in his state bro.

About verified or verifiable sources that you said you quote from. When did wikipedia become one if such? Yet you have quoted Wikipedia as if I cant create one and modify as I like.

Finally, I'm sold on the fact that you actually are the one the one that hasn't gone out of your domain. You may be educated, but not exposed, and I mean this not as an insult, many people are not exposed too.

Unless you are joking, you won't say I must be dark skinned since I'm Yoruba. You have allowed yourself to believe your own lies that most Igbo are light skin. Bunkum. Many Igbo are as dark or even darker than the Congolese. But then again what is in colour of skin that it becomes a status symbol? If Ojukwu had bleached would you have accepted him more?

Can you please tell me which states you have been to?

bigfrancis21:


@bold...on the contrary, early usage does matter. Because it indicates the originality of something. Now, 'oyibo' might be Igbo and 'oyinbo' THE yoruba pronunciation however the bone of contention lies in the originality of which, of which to establish the originality of something, as it always is in the world of academia, academic evidence of its early usage has to be furnished. Open up any Oxford or Cambridge dictionary and look up words, linguists try to trace the origin of a word going by the very first mention of the world in the particular period of time. So far I have done that for Igbo, you have utterly failed to do that for Yoruba.

Now, let us assume 'oyibo' is Igbo (which is recorded in wikipedia) and 'oyinbo' is Yoruba and both are correct. The existence of 'oyibo' in Igboland as at 17th century has been established. Any academic author will quickly establish that as fact. Now how can you prove the Yoruba had been using 'oyinbo' before 17th century? How is it not possible that the word spread to SW, through the Edo peoples? Almost every tribe in Nigeria except the SW calls it 'oyibo' which makes us to believe that they are pronouncing the word in its original form and 'oyinbo' being the corrupted form? Ok, please furnish evidence for the earliest usage of 'oyinbo' in Yoruba land.

Igbo: okwute (6 letters) Yoruba: okuta (5 letters)
Igbo: mmiri (5 letters) Yoruba: omi (3 letters)
Igbo: gbajie (6 letters) Yoruba: baje (4 letters)
Igbo: Ogwu (more complicated sounding) Yoruba: Ogun (less complicated pronunciation). We all know language subsets often have less complex wordings than the original. French, Spanish, Italian (subset languages) words compared to Latin (parent languge) words is a classic example.
Igbo: Egwugwu masquerde, Yoruba: egungun masquerade (notice another simplification of the Yoruba pronunciation).

Since both Yoruba and Igbo don't allow for consonant clusters there will naturally be a ton of similar sounding words. Especially refering to /gw/, /kw/, /mm/ which are sounds that don't exist in many/most spoken Yoruba dialects, so simplification is void. In addtion, kw and gw are single consonants, like kp and gb, written using two letters. I assume you're refering to omi as in water, putting an m or n (tense marker) in front of a noun (which nearly exclusively starts with a vowel in Yoruba) wouldn't have made sense, not to mention the word is of the same construction as standard nouns (VCV). Water is also something everyone and everything has a word for as it is natural occuring. A very silly claim indeed. Then we come to baje, which is derived from the split verb ba .. je, you also have bati, bajo etc. The use of ba is common and rooted deep within the language. Egungun is simply a duplication of the word egun, meaning ancestors.

There's nothing to suggest any borrowing, and claiming otherwise is pretty far fetched, borderline ridiculous actually. No educated person ever will take such statements seriously and kind of takes away any hint of seriousness you might've had previously.

bigfrancis21:


You keep making empty statements without backing them up with any evidence. In the world of academia, academic evidence is key to establishing early origins of words. Olaudah Ekweanuo of blessed memory left behind a wonderful biography detailing the Igbo people of 17th/18th century and left evidence of the usage of 'Oyibo' by the Igbo people as of that period. With no evidence proving the usage of the word by another west african tribe before the 17th century, then that word did most likely originate from Igbo.

Until you are able to furnish evidence supporting your claim, then it is mere wishful thinking.

I already spoke of Oyinbo-mefun in Ota established in the 14th century or early 1400s

Olaudah didn't write anything at 17th century he was born in the 18th century...why do u keep with moving his work 100yrs forward? such criminal intent you have


You came asking for books written in the 17th century by Yorubas with oyinbo knowing that there aren't any. 18th century Igbos under Bini used the word doesn't mean it originated from Igbo language
Igbos have been taking from Edos since the time of Oba Ewuare

Which brings me to the fact that the word "Oba" was first written to refer to the king of Bini doesn't make Oba originally an Edo word

If you can get past ur ethnic hatred for Yoruba(which is so obvious) you world realize words are first passed orally before they are written by those who got the chance...more so at a time when Southern Nigerians didn't write books
You expect the first use of the word on paper to denote origin of the word?
So Oba was first used only around 15th/16th century when the first Portuguese to do trade with Benin heard and wrote it?

It is not wishing thinking, it's using the "head" your ability of cognizance

bigfrancis21:


Nah. Trouble in Igbo is 'Nsogbu' and when speaking Igbo, Igbos use 'Nsogbu'. 'Wahala' doesn't even fit in Igbo language to start with. In Igbo we say, Nsogbu di (trouble dey) or Nsogbu adiro (trouble no dey). Wahala is only dominant in Pidgin English.

Yoruba is influential in Nigeria, no doubt, owing to the influence and position of Lagos and a great role it has played in Nigeria's economy.

@bold...if that is the case why is your brother finding it difficult to admit that 'Oyibo' might have been adopted by the Yoruba? It has become a de-facto trend of Yorubas that they must be the 'inventors' of any thing Nigerian common all over Nigeria, even when it is glaring that they are not but yet they find it difficult to admit they adopted from other cultures.

In order words Yoruba were so dumb that we didn't have a word for light skinned among us until Igbos came into Yorubaland in guise of Nigeria
We didn't pick "Ebo" from Edos since 13th century, it's Oyibo we would pick from Igbos in the 20th century
We didn't see any difference in Europeans and didn't have a word to describe them until 20th century

Lmao
Fact is Yoruba have not been influenced by Igbos in any way of linguistic, cultural or general ethnic identity.

bigfrancis21:
Correction, Edo people pronounce it the proper way = oyibo or ebo.

How many Edos have u heard saying Oyibo?
so Edo also copied from Igbos? Lol

bigfrancis21:


Evidence so far proves 'Oyibo' is most likely the original word, being only pronounced as 'oyinbo' elsewhere. Further proof of this is the fact that asides south west, other tribes of Nigeria that have come to adopt the word all pronounce it 'oyibo'. The famous Nigerian mathematician, Gabriel Oyibo from Igala bears 'Oyibo' as surname. http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/PEEPS/oyibo_gabriela.html

The truth is words have spread between languages in Nigeria. Yoruba words like 'jare', 'oya', 'ni' etc. have spread into Nigerian pidgin English through the influence of the language in the music industry and Lagos being the economic nerve center of Nigeria (had Kano, Enugu or Calabar been in the position Lagos was, as former capital of Nigeria, Hausa, Igbo or Efik might have had more influence today), thus attracting people from all over Nigeria into the state, while Igbo words (especially in food) such as 'akamu', 'okro', 'nna', 'ogbono', 'dey' (I dey. 'dey' is said to be originated from Igbo 'di' in Jamaican Patois. i.e. Chidi = God dey, Chi di mma = God dey good, Nne di mma = Mama dey good, O di risky = E dey risky, etc. A word which is still used in Jamaican Patois till today - one of the legacies left behind by Igbo slaves who once walked on the plantations of Jamaica) have spread into Nigerian English and other languages via the dispersal tendencies of the Igbo outside Igboland, carrying their food and language along with them. No tribe in Nigeria today has a well-assorted dish menu well-known all over Nigeria as the Igbo. My mother and grandmothers taught me very well how to cook and I have had some of my non-Igbo friends approach me to learn my style of cooking, even here in the US.

At the end of the day, all it takes is simple humility to accept our differences and accord merit to whom it is due.

And so Igala must have copied it from Igbo?
Wat exactly does Oyibo mean, some say English language, Onye Ibo and many more..we have no agreement on the logic behind the word. Wat we know is Igbo calls white people Onye Ocha...as simple as that, no complication

Lagos state was never Nigeria's capital, only the Towns in the island, which the biggest is Eko(Lagos island, originally the only town known as Lagos) was. Calabar was capital too. Go learn history pls

ChristyG:
Ibos always claiming and famzing,yeye people..very soon they will tell us that joor,jare,oshey,abi are ibo words.ibo language is not even that influential sef.for yorubas to even borrow another language into theirs,it has to be one that is has close proximity to us or those who yorubas have been interacting with us for a long time,they are some words in yoruba that were coined from hausa language due to trading with them.how will yoruba now borrow words from ibos when we have little or no interaction except from when they started living in lagos.yorubas rarely live in iboland,we dont have historical ties together,and iboland is very far from us,so how will yoruba be borrowing words from ibo?oyinbo is a yoruba word,if u dont like it,go and jump into d lagoon.

Yoruba do have historical ties with Igbo.. going back 2000BC we must have been of one ethnic identity
But since the separation Yorubas have had next to nothing to do with Igbos

bigfrancis21:


Your logic makes absolutely no sense without academic evidence, son. You can't sit in your bedroom and type false statements and expect everyone to believe you. Sorry, but whatever so-called civilization Oyo had never crossed the borders of the more mightier Edo kingdom to get to SE. The civilization whatsoever was checkmated by the greater Edo kingdom of the Niger Delta, which is more known worldwide than Oyo.

Why have you failed to furnish any academic exercise, even if it is half-baked to backup your claim? Why is that difficult for you??

. Nonsense from ur ass...try using ur head more and stop ur hate it's damn too obvious

semitunde:




You quite annoyed me in your other post. This is more friendly and I will follow suit. I will also withdraw the caustic comment if you do yours. I'm not here to make enemies, it doesn't bring food to my table.

Back to your new accusation. Do you know the number of States I've been to by virtue of my work? I was tell the story of the igbo boy in Benue and some other Hausa guys in the north ( Bornu state actually), you think they are jokes or lies? No ore, that also doesn't also put food on my table. I've probably been to many note states than you have ever ventured going. Travelling is education and enlightenment. You aren't chating with someone seated in his state bro.

About verified or verifiable sources that you said you quote from. When did wikipedia become one if such? Yet you have quoted Wikipedia as if I cant create one and modify as I like.

Finally, I'm sold on the fact that you actually are the one the one that hasn't gone out of your domain. You may be educated, but not exposed, and I mean this not as an insult, many people are not exposed too.

Unless you are joking, you won't say I must be dark skinned since I'm Yoruba. You have allowed yourself to believe your own lies that most Igbo are light skin. Bunkum. Many Igbo are as dark or even darker than the Congolese. But then again what is in colour of skin that it becomes a status symbol? If Ojukwu had bleached would you have accepted him more?

Can you please tell me which states you have been to?

The guy believes if you are African and light skinned you must be Igbo as if only Igbo have different skin tone among them
You would see how the guy said Oyibo is "O yi ibo" because Europeans look like Igbos

macof:


And so Igala must have copied it from Igbo?
Wat exactly does Oyibo mean, some say English language, Onye Ibo and many more..we have no agreement on the logic behind the word. Wat we know is Igbo calls white people Onye Ocha...as simple as that, no complication

Lagos state was never Nigeria's capital, only the Towns in the island, which the biggest is Eko(Lagos island, originally the only town known as Lagos) was. Calabar was capital too. Go learn history pls

Where did you get the idea that Ndiigbo call the whites onye ocha only?

We call the white man different names, depending on the part of Igboland you are from.

In my part, the Oyibo for white man is used differently from the Onye ocha.

For example, all things associated with Whites is referred to as Oyibo, for example we say " obodo Oyibo " meaning the white man country, "Aki Oyibo" for Coconut, "Ego Oyibo" for foreign currency like dollar and paper money, Igbos were using cowries before the whites introduced paper and coins.

My grand mother sister, her name was " Okwu Oyibo", meaning the white man era, she was born during the time my town Ogidi first had contact with the whites.


Onyeocha is used to refer directly to a white man, while Oyibo, is used to refer to things connected with the white man and some times to the white man directly. More like Spanish and Spaniard is used for Spain.

Oyibo is a very old Igbo word, in my part of Igbo land, for those in southern Igbo axis, "Bekee" took the place of "Oyibo", and central written Igbo chose Bekee over Oyibo.

To the southern Igbo groups( Imo and Abia), Oyibo is a foreign word, they are used to Bekee. To those of us from Anambra and Enugu area, Bekee is a word we learn in Igbo language class, Oyibo is the word we learnt at home.

pazienza:



Where did you get the idea that Ndiigbo call the whites onye ocha only?

We call the white man different names, depending on the part of the part of Igboland you are from.

In my part, the Oyibo for white man is used differently from the Onye ocha.

For example, all things associated with Whites is referred as Oyibo, for example we say " obodo Oyibo " meaning the white man country, "Aki Oyibo" for Coconut, "Ego Oyibo" for foreign currency like dollar and paper money, Igbos were using cowries before the whites introduced paper and coins.

My grand mother sister, her name was " Okwu Oyibo", meaning the white man era, she was born during the time my town Ogidi first had contact with the whites.


Onyeocha is used to refer directly to a white man, while Oyibo, is used to refer to things connected with the white man. More like Spanish and Spaniard is used for Spain.

Oyibo is a very old Igbo word, in my part of Igbo land, for those in southern Igbo axis, "Bekee" took the place of "Oyibo", and central written Igbo chose Bekee over Oyibo.

One might as well settle for The words being native to the people, all of southern Nigeria plus Igala use a form of Oyinbo/Oyibo to refer to white people
I know Yorubas have always called light skinned people Oyinbo before even Europeans came along talkless interaction with the Igbos at the creation of Nigeria
If anything Igbos under Benin developed Oyibo from Ebo as the Edo called Europeans

I had once read punch and other Yoruba news papers, I noticed they wrote "Oyingbo" for the white man, rarely did they use "Oyinbo". Is " Oyingbo" a dialectical variant of "Oyinbo",for the Yorubas or was it just a typographical error?

macof:


One might as well settle for The words being native to the people, all of southern Nigeria plus Igala use a form of Oyinbo/Oyibo to refer to white people
I know Yorubas have always called light skinned people Oyinbo before even Europeans came along talkless interaction with the Igbos at the creation of Nigeria
If anything Igbos under Benin developed Oyibo from Ebo as the Edo called Europeans

Not at all, my town is in Anambra, and we never had any Bini influence.

Let's agree that Ndiigbo invented Oyibo, while Yorubas invented Oyinbo, none borrowed from each other, just a co incidence.

pazienza:
I had once read punch and other Yoruba news papers, I noticed they wrote "Oyingbo" for the white man, rarely did they use "Oyinbo". Is " Oyingbo" a dialectical variant of "Oyinbo",for the Yorubas or was it just a typographical error?

If you're 100% sure it was used in that context, then in older texts, "ng" was sometimes used to express the syllabic "n", so it's probably written by someone elderly, which would make it a typo. In case it isn't a typo, then the meaning is altered.

bigfrancis21:


Now, back to serious business. I don't quote from any chikolobi website. I quote from well-verified sites, as you can see from a couple of my posts back. In fact, which one have you quoted, o ye almighty all-knowing one? Oh I forgot, Ojukoro the Ilaje Yoruba boy who has never left south west all his entire life suddenly knows everything and carries everything in his head. I see you.

Wait o, that name sounds familiar in Igbo. Ojuokoro (o ju o koro = if it gets full, it gets stuck in Igbo), another Igbo name corrupted in Yoruba.

BigFrancis i think u have a very terrible belief system which u must change.
Why on 'planet Nigeria' do u think that only Igbos have fair-skinned people in Nigeria? That is an extremely myopic, blunt and poor idea or view.

I remember that That was just the way u spoke on a past thread of mine on Handsomeness of Middlebelt men, u were claiming a particular guy could not be a middlebelter but an igbo because of his fair complexion.

Do u think Igbos have more fair people than the fulanis or Akwa ibom people?? What about the Ebiras of Kogi and Idomas of Benue?

There are so many fair people in yoruba land, go to Ondo state and see them almost everywhere.

To me i think If there is any Nigerian group who should take pride in fair skin the most, it should be the Shuwa arabs of Borno, d fulanis or the Ibibio/Efiks, not even Igbos.

Igbos have dark skinned people as much or even more than they have light skinned people, and many of them their fairness is even artificial, so much cosmetics involved.

Nowenuse:



BigFrancis i think u have a very terrible belief system which u must change.
Why on 'planet Nigeria' do u think that only Igbos have fair-skinned people in Nigeria? That is an extremely myopic, blunt and poor idea or view.

I remember that That was just the way u spoke on a past thread of mine on Handsomeness of Middlebelt men, u were claiming a particular guy could not be a middlebelter but an igbo because of his fair complexion.

Do u think Igbos have more fair people than the fulanis or Akwa ibom people?? What about the Ebiras of Kogi and Idomas of Benue?

There are so many fair people in yoruba land, go to Ondo state and see them almost everywhere.

To me i think If there is any Nigerian group who should take pride in fair skin the most, it should be the Shuwa arabs of Borno, d fulanis or the Ibibio/Efiks, not even Igbos.

Igbos have dark skinned people as much or even more than they have light skinned people, and many of them their fairness is even artificial, so much cosmetics involved.

LOL. All those paragraphs up there are totally unnecessary. It was only a fun reply to semitunde's question asking if I was going to ask him of his skin colour. Lol. I don't even care about skin colour. If you read my post well, you would have noticed it was intended to be humorous.

The issue of Igbo's skin colour isn't what I'll dabble into too deeply so as to not appear being obsessed with 'skin colour'. Igbo are over 35 million in number. Now, let's talk math. I love figures. Assuming skin colour conservative ratio of 70:30 for DS vs LS gives about 21.5m vs 13.5m skin ratio. What's the population figure of Akwa Ibomites? Idomas? Igbiras? Assume a generous figure of 10 million for each, how much of that figure is not dark-skinned? All 10 million of them?

Now, listen, for every 1 light-skinned middle belter or Akwa Ibomite that you show me, there are 20 Igbo of them. The huge population of Igbo makes sure of that.

On that very thread, you went about claiming several people, especially Igbo, who were not from the Middle Belt and 'portraying' them as Middle Belters until I called you out on that.

Moreover, I have never claimed anywhere that only Igbo are light-skinned in Nigeria. I know some Yorubas who are light-skinned. 9ce is one of them. On the same middle belt page, I never claimed such. Quote my post, I said 'most likely be Igbo'. On the streets of Lagos, a 'yellow yellow' person is automatically assumed to be 'Omo Ibo' until proven otherwise.

To be honest, I've seen some very light-skinned Igbo that I get baffled myself. The light-skinned guy in the music group, Bracket is one example. He took a picture with a Caucasian one time (along with P Square's cousin - malcoholic) and there was utterly no difference in skin colour between both, the only difference being their different facial structures. https://instagram.com/malcoholic_obinna/p/yXZXY6JSiS/ Phyno is another one too.

By the way, I'm not extolling LS in anyway. I prefer dark-skinned.

macof:


One might as well settle for The words being native to the people, all of southern Nigeria plus Igala use a form of Oyinbo/Oyibo to refer to white people
I know Yorubas have always called light skinned people Oyinbo before even Europeans came along talkless interaction with the Igbos at the creation of Nigeria
If anything Igbos under Benin developed Oyibo from Ebo as the Edo called Europeans

@bold...how do you know this? Without academic proof? Oh I remember, you've been living since 16th century.

Nowenuse:



BigFrancis i think u have a very terrible belief system which u must change.
Why on 'planet Nigeria' do u think that only Igbos have fair-skinned people in Nigeria? That is an extremely myopic, blunt and poor idea or view.

I remember that That was just the way u spoke on a past thread of mine on Handsomeness of Middlebelt men, u were claiming a particular guy could not be a middlebelter but an igbo because of his fair complexion.

Do u think Igbos have more fair people than the fulanis or Akwa ibom people?? What about the Ebiras of Kogi and Idomas of Benue?

There are so many fair people in yoruba land, go to Ondo state and see them almost everywhere.

To me i think If there is any Nigerian group who should take pride in fair skin the most, it should be the Shuwa arabs of Borno, d fulanis or the Ibibio/Efiks, not even Igbos.

Igbos have dark skinned people as much or even more than they have light skinned people, and many of them their fairness is even artificial, so much cosmetics involved.

My original post:

bigfrancis21:

Isn't the guy in the picture above you claimed is from the middle belt the guy who represented Abuja as Mr Abuja in Mr Nigeria Universe 2013?, whose real name is Uzoma Nwaejike, an Igbo guy? In your bid to claim non middle belters as middle belters, were you too blind to notice that his skin colour gave him away already as someone most likely from the south east?
Uzoma Nwaejike

macof:



The guy believes if you are African and light skinned you must be Igbo as if only Igbo have different skin tone among them
You would see how the guy said Oyibo is "O yi ibo" because Europeans look like Igbos

If 'honey + peel' can make absolute 'sense' to you then 'o yi ibo' can make sense to easterners.

semitunde:


Let me remind you of when I noticed your moniker: You got a source that said something like "50 influencial Nigerians abroad". You came here, made a thread having "20 influencial Nigerians..." And you went ahead to post Igbo names numbering even more than 20. When you were called out for the fraud you argued that it was the way those names were arranged from the source site and you quickly changed the title back to the original 50 after another person started posting the Yoruba names from.the same site.

Pls point out where I modified and let's discuss it.

P.S. I type from my phone and I mostly don't have the time to edit before posting. But the excuse us mostly for grammatical errors.

I remember that thread clearly. Here is the link and confirm for yourself where the first 20 names are from, and it was in the same sequence I quoted from: https://kimberlyakinola./2013/10/28/50-inflential-people-you-wouldnt-believe-are-nigerians-part-1/
That thread I opened was specific initially for the link I sent you (the first 20 names). People cried foul, I included part 2 of the blog, increased the title to '50', in the spirit of fairness. Don't forget that the owner of the blog is yoruba. When I added extra people to the list I added from several parts of Nigeria. Or maybe you conveniently 'forgot' Hiipower who flooded the page with people from only one part of Nigeria. If you still have any deep-seated issues with that article, kindly take it up with Kimberly Akinola.

Foreigners in Yorubaland claiming Yoruba language and culture. It's all good.

No wahala. It's all right jor.

All these Yoruba slangs go soon turn "Igbo slang" in 50years.

They're even adding more and more yoruba words into Nigerian Pidgin...to make it sound sweeter.

Yoruba sweet o.

No wonder why it's popular in many Ivy League schools.

pazienza:
I had once read punch and other Yoruba news papers, I noticed they wrote "Oyingbo" for the white man, rarely did they use "Oyinbo". Is " Oyingbo" a dialectical variant of "Oyinbo",for the Yorubas or was it just a typographical error?

It might not be a typographical error. There is a market in Lagos called 'Oyingbo Market' and also an area in Lagos called 'Oyingbo'.

Citation of 'oyingbo pepe' from this article:
http://www.gerd-meuer-afrika.de/pages/de/fundstuecke/like-da-same-one.php

macof:

How many Edos have u heard saying Oyibo?
so Edo also copied from Igbos? Lol

'Oyibo' town names in different Local Government Areas of Edo state:
http://localitypincode.com/ng/oyibo-camp-postal-code-okada-lga-edo
http://www.nigeriadirectory.com.ng/listings/oyibo-m-p-c-s-l-oredo-edo-state/

Sometimes, you need to stop talking ignorantly and learn to use google. Google is so easy to use.

macof:


In order words Yoruba were so dumb that we didn't have a word for light skinned among us until Igbos came into Yorubaland in guise of Nigeria
We didn't pick "Ebo" from Edos since 13th century, it's Oyibo we would pick from Igbos in the 20th century
We didn't see any difference in Europeans and didn't have a word to describe them until 20th century

Lmao
Fact is Yoruba have not been influenced by Igbos in any way of linguistic, cultural or general ethnic identity.

It is 100% possible 'oyinbo' derived from 'oyibo'. I have already provided my evidence.

macof:


And so Igala must have copied it from Igbo?
Wat exactly does Oyibo mean, some say English language, Onye Ibo and many more..we have no agreement on the logic behind the word. Wat we know is Igbo calls white people Onye Ocha...as simple as that, no complication

Lagos state was never Nigeria's capital, only the Towns in the island, which the biggest is Eko(Lagos island, originally the only town known as Lagos) was. Calabar was capital too. Go learn history pls

Calabar was Nigeria's first capital but I don't think it lasted too long to have any effect on Nigeria the way Lagos did. However, when I mentioned it in reference to Lagos, I meant a long-existing capital as Lagos experienced.

macof:


I already spoke of Oyinbo-mefun in Ota established in the 14th century or early 1400s

Olaudah didn't write anything at 17th century he was born in the 18th century...why do u keep with moving his work 100yrs forward? such criminal intent you have


You came asking for books written in the 17th century by Yorubas with oyinbo knowing that there aren't any. 18th century Igbos under Bini used the word doesn't mean it originated from Igbo language
Igbos have been taking from Edos since the time of Oba Ewuare

Which brings me to the fact that the word "Oba" was first written to refer to the king of Bini doesn't make Oba originally an Edo word

If you can get past ur ethnic hatred for Yoruba(which is so obvious) you world realize words are first passed orally before they are written by those who got the chance...more so at a time when Southern Nigerians didn't write books
You expect the first use of the word on paper to denote origin of the word?
So Oba was first used only around 15th/16th century when the first Portuguese to do trade with Benin heard and wrote it?

It is not wishing thinking, it's using the "head" your ability of cognizance

The Bini King's (custodians of culture and tradition) folk lore story mentions being the progenitor of yoruba people. Thus 'Oba' might be of Bini origin. Their story version seems more plausible to me given the evidence such as edo-like names in Lagos such as 'Idumota'.

I would rather more readiliy accept their story than any other.

FYI: I don't hate Yorubas. My 2 close friends here in the US are Yorubas.

StarFlux:
Very interesting, thank you.

Early usage doesn't have to mean anything whatsoever though.

Just because something happens to be documented by chance doesn't ultimately make it the truth; or likely even.

I'm trying to be objective, but if oyibo is indeed Igbo, then the Igbos corrupted their own word towards the urecognizable. Seems more likely to be an original Yoruba word as it can actually be traced. Seems like a really odd word to borrow since it can be easily expressed either way. As already mentioned Igbos also have multiple words for the same concept (regional borrowing). Again that's weird as it is pretty exclusive in Yoruba and might date further back since the use is unified.

In the end is doesn't matter as you can speculate till sleeps hits you, there's no clear answer. Borrowing is what keeps cultures alive and doesn't make anyone superior as seems to be the general attitude of this thread. Perhaps the word should simply be called Nigerian.

@bold...please trace it for the entire audience and end the debate once and for all.

bigfrancis21:


@bold...how do you know this? Without academic proof? Oh I remember, you've been living since 16th century.

And you are following the Igbo man who was introducing the European to Yoruba as 'oyinbo' back in those days.