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Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 12:11pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
[size=20] On what basis do you classify atheism as a religion please? [/size] 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 12:11pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
[size=20] On what basis do you classify atheism as a religion please? [/quote] |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by Pr0ton: 12:45pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
We are in the era where bonafide boneheads become ubiquitous... such as this one FOLYKAZE: I can see your illetracy is getting dangerously high. What does deity mean to you? god/goddess. And how is man a god in the religious(supernatural) sense? Atheist worship something or someone. Inasmuch worship is involve, the act is directed to deities. That is going by the definition of worship. Of course we worship. But then worship is ambiguous. Ours is carnal. Yours is spiritual See the difference? Atheism is only noises. . . . . Nah. You shut your mouth. You are an academic embarrassment. People I call [size=20]ODE[/size] Go and learn. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by Nobody: 1:52pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
This is a quote from my previous comment... DProDG: This is from yours... FOLYKAZE: Do you even know what you're arguing against? An 'atheist' that worships a deity is not an atheist. That should be obvious. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:54pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
Pr0ton: I dont trade insult online. Holla me when you want a sound discussion. |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:07pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
DProDG: You dont get it. Do you agree human is a deity and even some religion acknowledge this? Do you understand that worship is acknowledging worth of something? Do you know worship by definition is said toward a deity (possibly a man)? Are atheists not acknowledging worth of influencial person? If yes, that is atheist worship deities. |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by Nobody: 2:08pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:"A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence." This is widely accepted definition you've been looking for. You're welcome. Actuall Sam Harris practise buddhism and he is still an atheist. "Sam Harris, a prominent proponent of New Atheism and practitioner of Buddhist meditation, claims that many practitioners of Buddhism improperly treat it as a religion, and criticizes their beliefs as "naive, petitionary, and superstitious," and claims that such beliefs impede the adoption of true Buddhist principles." 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 2:16pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:Their are no deities, that is the basic stance of atheism... be it a mythical deity, a tree, snake etc... Atheists dont believe in any diety.. FOLYKAZE:Am guessing if you are a buhari or goodluck fan, yoy worship them huh? FOLYKAZE:Like i said earlier, i worship my parents.. it doenst make them deities.. definition of deities: noun (plural deities) mythology religion A preternatural or supernatural human or non-human being or entity, or an object that possesses miraculous or supernatural attributes, powers or superpowers (e.g. a god or goddess). mythology religion The divine character of a divinity. mythology religion A being, entity or object revered as a god or goddess. FOLYKAZE:Catholics worship pope, if you are wizkid fan you worship wizkid, if you revere 2face then you worship two face.. Taking such things as acknowledging worth of something or a person to mean worship is a big fallacy and such a big hole in your argument cus you too will then said to be polytheistic. FOLYKAZE:Can you point out these dieties? nawa oooo 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by Nobody: 2:18pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: -Anyone can consider anything a deity. -Nope, worship in religion is... "the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity." another definition(which has nothing to do with religion) is... "great admiration or devotion shown towards a person or principle." -The first definition, yes... -I acknowledge the worth of Hitchens so, yes. -Please show me where a deity is defined as "an influential person". 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:18pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
Pr0ton: I understand your insults but I will man up and ignore this. Pr0ton: Deity is God according to the dictionary. God can be influencial person according to same dictionary. Even in the bible, humans are reffer to as god. So what special attribution are you looking for? Do you know about any other religion outside christianity that you love to bash? In Yoruba spirituality, man is god. So tell me bro, where exactly do your problem lies here? Pr0ton: Actually you dont know the meaning of spiritual. You think it all about church service huh? The bold is what I need here. It exposes gross ignorance of people like you. Here is a definition of worship from freedictionary, The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object. You agree atheists worship but to who do you accord or directed your act of worship to? A deity? Idol? Or sacred object? Pr0ton: Atheist indeed are bunch of noisemakers |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:28pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: Knowledge is not a belief you know? Atheist might have knowledge about god does not mean he believe in it. I know what trouble is but I dont dont believe it solve problems. Does this make a atroubist? The question is, do you agree human is a deity? Judging from definitions from dictionary and different theologies. Are human deity? Are influencial people not god? Did christianity not acknowledge human is a god? Did Yoruba spirituality rule out man is no more a deity? johnydon22: Yes. That is worship. You are ignorant of that though. johnydon22: Deity is god God is influencial person. If your parents influence your life, they are gods. johnydon22: Even in the bible, human are gods. You know that too? johnydon22: influencial personalities. |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 2:28pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:Good i commend you for that.. FOLYKAZE:Your only problem is misconception...let me define God as defined by my dictionary.. noun The single deity of various monotheistic religions. The single male deity of various duotheistic religions. An impersonal and universal spiritual presence or force. An omnipotent being, creator of the universe (as in deism). The (personification of the) laws of nature. (Wicca) The Horned God So whether your bible, yoruba spirituality say man is a god, we atheist say it is a lie... nothing is a god.. their are no gods.. simple... Do you want to impose your idea that man is a god on atheists? lolzzz let it be known to you that we disbelief the idea of god or gods in any form it may come... man, mythology, objects... FOLYKAZE:lmao... Spirituality is not mundane according to religion... Am guessing your own idea of spirituality is different huh? FOLYKAZE:exactly thats the meaning of worship but we dont believe their are or nothing is a deity neither or do we believe anything is sacred in your terms... so how come? FOLYKAZE:Lmao... calm down, stop this speeding and check your assertions again and you will see who is making noise.. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:34pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
DProDG: Yeah. DProDG: Good definitions. DProDG: And why is the second definition excluded? Man are object of worship in many cultures and religion. DProDG: Good DProDG: Deity = god = influencial person. X = Y = 2 X = 2. Simple logic |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 2:42pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:their are no god/deities.. = atheism.. FOLYKAZE:we dont believe humans are deities..thats why we are atheists.. FOLYKAZE:No they are not FOLYKAZE:Nope they are not, they are just influencial people not a God.. FOLYKAZE:Am i a christian, that christianity or religion superstitiously believe man to be god have nothing to do with me cus thats why i am an atheist.. i blatantly disagree with that absurd notion.. FOLYKAZE:and we atheists have nothing to do with yoruba spirituality or any form of superstitious mumbo jumbo... its still absurd crap like others.. FOLYKAZE:So i take it you worship millions of god cus they are millions of people you must revere out there... (Likening reverence or admiration to worship is your only problem..) FOLYKAZE:correct.. FOLYKAZE:nope...here is the definition of God by the dictionary.. noun The single deity of various monotheistic religions. The single male deity of various duotheistic religions. An impersonal and universal spiritual presence or force. An omnipotent being, creator of the universe (as in deism). The (personification of the) laws of nature. (Wicca) The Horned God even ur fellow theists will disagree with you on that.. FOLYKAZE:No they still remain my parents.. you callin them a God doesnt make them anything near it and doesnt make them one... FOLYKAZE:the last time i checked the bible said a snake can talk... FOLYKAZE:And that is what they are...I love rihanna and like her music, am her number 1 fan.. that is it..It is you that wants to assert being someone's fan or admiring someone makes that person a god.. that is preposterous sir.. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by Nobody: 2:43pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
I'm simply gonna repeat myself, just as I have done, several times... FOLYKAZE:The second has nothing to do with religion. As long as the person revered is [size=20pt]not considered a DEITY[/size]. Deity = god = influencial person.lmao! Dog = animal = fish X = Y = 2 x = 2 Unless you consider a dog a fish, I hope you see the flaw in your logic. Words have different meanings... As long as 'deity' does not mean 'influential person' it's not the same as god(in this case). 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:53pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: That is all? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=what+is+god 3. an adored, admired, or influential person. johnydon22: Mother Nature is a god. She represent planet earth And atheist says there is no god meaning planet earth is not existing. Hilarious. johnydon22: I am not asking you to believe either. You should know what god is. That is what am telling you johnydon22: My idea is atheistic spiritualism. johnydon22: Not asking you to believe. This is a case of knowledge johnydon22: 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 3:04pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:Now pointing out this number three clearly shows it is different from the first and second definition... here God strictly means someone who is adore, admired or influencial, nothing spirity ... We are now clear, the third definition is no way the same thing as religious concept of God.. FOLYKAZE:lmao... This guy like mixing up different meanings in one word... And who even said nature is God FOLYKAZE: |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:08pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
DProDG: Like acting on ignorance? I have a thread where I argued everyone make sacrifices on daily basis. Eating is a sacrifice to a god called olubobotiribo. Would you not reject this? DProDG: Fish is an aquatic animal while dog belongs to another animal family. Different class. . .i like your diversion though. DProDG: Shut it. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_deities Human deities are there |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:16pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: Which of the religion pls? In christianity man is god. In yoruba spirituality, man is god. So tell what you got. johnydon22: Naturalistic panteists say so |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by Nobody: 3:28pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: -Keep your sacrifices and rituals to yourself. -Awesome, at least you saw the flaw in your logic. -Quote me arguing against that. All I've asked(3 or 4 times now) is to show me where a 'deity' is defined as an 'influential person'...that simple 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 3:33pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: according to the google link you gave their are four distinct definitions of the word God... God /ɡäd/ noun 1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. 2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity. 3. an adored, admired, or influential person. 4. the gallery in a theater. ..... It is so funny how you left the fourth definition... the gallery in a theater is God too . These four definitions means different things as seen above, their is nothing more to be added on it everything speaks for itself now.. FOLYKAZE:So which of the God definitions above does nature fall in? |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 3:38pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
DProDG: The dude is just mixing up the God defined as deity and God defined as adore people together and he knows the flaws in it... 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:52pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: Ya it does, you are choosing while and leaving the other untouched. Talk about unjustice? johnydon22: You can find that in pantheistic definition of God. There is nothing like that in the definitions. |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:01pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
DProDG: I am not telling you to stop eating DProDG: There is no flaw in the logic. Animal is a large family. Fish and dog does not belong to same room under the roof called animal. Actually I have shown you link to human deities. DProDG: Are kings and emperors not influencial person? What sort of reasoing is this? |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:03pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: What is mixing here? I am not the one that create those words and it meaning. Influencial person is human. I have shown link to human deities. What more do you want? |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by Nobody: 4:04pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: Exactly... @FOLYKAZE whether intentional or not that's what you're doing and there's no need going back and forward with this. If semantics and linguistics is your problem, I can't help you. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:07pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
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Re: Atheists Have A Religion by Pr0ton: 4:09pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: I see. Arguing with you would just be a waste of time. You took "of course we worship" and avoid "but then worship is ambiguous" to make your blind argument. You only dealt with one of the definitions of worship and discard any other definition because you knew it would make your argument absurd and make you look silly, which it, in fact, is now. Worship means "to show respect for God, or a god, especially by saying prayers, singing etc" Worship also means "to love and admire SOMEBODY very much" The second definition was what I meant with "of course we worship", but you dishonestly forced the first definition into my mouth. Clearly seen, the religious worship is different from the normal, as the former is spiritual and latter is natural. "Yoruba says man is a spirit" doesn't give your argument any merit. We are arguing based on standard definitions, and not some biased beliefs. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 4:10pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:its very obvious four of them dont mean the same thing... thats all FOLYKAZE: So the pantheistic definition is different from that of the dictionary huh?...lmao... You dont even know the basis of your own argument.. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by Pr0ton: 4:11pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
DProDG: He is just being biased in choosing words. He neglects other meanings and cherrypick the ones that fit his point, which doesn't have merit at all. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by johnydon22(m): 4:13pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: That google have a definition of God as influencial person doesnt mean the person is a deity boy... The first two definitions are deities, the third and last are not.. its quite clear from the definitions.. As for your link about humans being deities, that now falls to you superstitious belief... the bible said, yoruba spirituality said... lmao... thats exactly what atheist say we dont buy... 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists Have A Religion by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:14pm On Mar 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: johnydon22: Did you see pantheistic definition of God among google difinition? The only religious definition there points to christianity and islam. Is those two the only religion in the world? I tire for you people o |
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