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| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by malvisguy212: 9:25am On Apr 17, 2015 |
EzioAuditore:you are not interlingent, your knowledge of the quran is sooo weak.if you are brave enough you will know the meaning of prophethood and offspring. Surah 29:27: And (as for Abraham), We bestowed upon him Isaac and (Isaac’s son) Jacob, and caused PROPHETHOOD and revelation to CONTINUE among his OFFSPRING. The lineage of prophethood are from Isaac and Jacob, it is only in the offspring prophet shall arise. Muhammed is from ishmael, and ishmael who is the elder,is name is missing here, if a name should be missing it soppose to be Isaac, but no, ishmael name is missing because God had no covenant with ishmael, non of your brother were able to answer this, they all ignore it, some twist it. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 9:47am On Apr 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212: The same person who just said "if you're brave enough you will know the meaning" just accused me of not being intelligent enough? Lmao! Jokes apart, I can see your problem is English so tell me this, if prophethood continued in the bloodline of Isaac whats new here? Of course it did! But where did you get your claim that just because it continued in isaacs bloodline prophethood its exclusive to that of Isaac? Again where is the fairness in that? You are falling into the trap of the Zionists that believe that Jews are superior to other races! The same Quran told us this since to you it's not clear as to whether prophethood was restricted to Isaac and his sons, you can't just quote the Quran and translate it how you want. Yes prophethood continued in the bloodline of Isaac does it say it was discontinued in others, or did it say it exclusively continues in the bloodline of Isaac and Isaac alone? I once again refer you to this verse 016:036 Khan : And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) Taghut (all false deities, etc. i.e. do not worship Taghut besides Allah)." Then of them were some whom Allah guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth). How can you then turn back and say only Isaac and his bloodline alley have the right to prophethood? Again you are falling for the Jewish tricks, they see themselves as superior to you. The Quran also says this about ISHMAEL so what is your point? Do you need English lessons? "And call to mind, through this divine writ, Ishmael. Behold, he was always true to his promise, and was an apostle [of God], a prophet, who used to enjoin upon his people prayer and charity, and found favour in his Sustainer's sight." |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 9:54am On Apr 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212: And don't think I haven't noticed how you're dodging my posts! You haven't proven that you are not worshipping the SUN god? You did not prove that Isaac was almost sacrificed and not Ishmael! You did not justify the X-rated porn in the bible? How can you? It's all too much! Lies upon lies! |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by malvisguy212: 12:51pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
EzioAuditore:All true prophets of God must establish who they are. Every single one of the true prophets who were descendants of Isaac and Jacob came from families who were already worshippers of the true God. They all worshipped the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. As for Muhammad, his parents were Arab pagans and so were his grandparents. Additionally, Muhammad himself was a pagan until the time of his alleged “calling as a prophet” by Allah. Is it not strange that after choosing every single one of His prophets from families who were already true believers, God would now choose a pagan worshipper who came from a pagan family as his prophet? We do not think so. That is why it should not surprise us to find many pagan rituals in the religion of Islam. Muhammad incorporated them into the religion of Allah. Therefore, to accept Islam is to accept paganism and its lone stone-kissing prophet. And as the Qur’an itself testifies clearly in Surah 29:27, Muhammad simply cannot be a prophet of the true God. Galatians 4:22-28: It is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the slave woman and one by the free woman; but the one by the slave woman was actually born in the manner of FLESH, the other by the free woman through a PROMISE…Now we, brothers, are children belonging to the promise the same as Isaac was. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 2:05pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Read my post below. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 2:26pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
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| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 2:43pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
[quote author=malvisguy212 post=32808534][/quote] Here, you also completely destroyed the concept of Christmas, I'm referring to your post on Mithras, you stated December 25th is a lie and a fabrication! That's why I told you Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus Christ are different people so if you celebrate Christmas ever again, you're not a good christian, infact you're a pagan. Do you now see your religion is a fabrication? |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 2:59pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Is this your excuse? Why is this rubbish in the book of God? Including incest? Tell me, you should be comfortable with Gods words, you should also teach your kids about them, answer me honestly, will you read those verses to your kids? So this is how a relationship between a man and woman should be? Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me." This was the NIV English translation. Many other English translations say "....were a brother to me...." . Others say "....were as a brother to me.. Aside from the fact that the girl is being very inappropriate and can't keep her sloppy hormones under control and to herself, but the most ironic thing of all is that the bible sings praises about her feelings, words and actions and is giving her the ok to do it and to "be herself". There are few important points to notice here: 1- She wished if the sexy man was her brother or as her brother who was nursed from her mother's breasts. This means that she had to wish if he were her actual and biological brother, since in the Bible, people don't become brothers and sisters through breast-feeding. 2- It is needless to say that if she actually had a sexy-looking brother, then she would lust after him, and the Bible is ok with that, since the whole book praises the sexual relationship between the girl and her lover. 3- They were not a husband and a wife, because: Why would it be be wrong for the wife to kiss her husband, whether in open or in secret? Why would a wife wish if her husband were her brother if she could have him anytime? Why would a wife live with her mother and not with her husband in a separate home of theirs? 4- Furthermore, we read in the gospel of porn: Song of Songs 7:10-12 10 I belong to my lover, and his desire is for me. 11 Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside, let us spend the night in the villages. 12 Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates are in bloom— there I will give you my love. (have sex in other words!) Clearly, the relationship was between a girlfriend and a boyfriend, and not between a wife and a husband. Otherwise, why would they need to sneak to the field to make sex when they have their home to be alone in? And worst of all, the Bible is ok with all of this throughout this book! So in a nutshell, if you're a pornified Bible-following male who happens to have a hot looking and very beautiful female-sister, then thinking sexually about her and her hot curves, body and how wonderful she'd be in bed is not only NOT condemned in this gospel of porn, but it is also praised. Similarly, if you are a professional pornified female bible-follower who is an expert (sorry about the language) in cum-licking and sucking as it is the case here in the West and everywhere else in the world where Christians are the majority, then having incestuous thoughts about your brother and giving him "blow jobs" in your dreams isn't something wrong after all according to this verse from the Bible. Pornography is clearly praised in the bible. This is no cheap statement from me. It is a clear-cut and indisputable fact! The bible sings glory songs about not only incestuous relationships, but also about women's vaginas and breasts tasting like "WINE". If you honestly wouldn't call this pornography, then what else would you honestly and with your clear conscious and integrity call it? Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran 2:79) |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by malvisguy212: 3:30pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
EzioAuditore:why not? To hide the truth from them? Will you tell your kid muhammed marry Aisha at the age of 6 and consummate the marriage when she was 9? The song of solomon is a moral lessons, the man did not sleep with other woman and the woman was loyal to the man, the man cherish her body so much that why he described it. Do you want me to prove to you Islam sanctioned inces't ? I will provide evidenced if you want. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 3:47pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Why should I not teach my children about marriage? I myself, I learnt about it when I was 5. But you are willing to teach your kids how to suck breasts and taste vaginas? You are willing to teach your kids how to sleep with their siblings? Shame on you! Bring on your so called proof, evidence is all I ask for. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 3:51pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212 As I sat reading there reading the Bible, I was shocked with the amount of perversion I read. I sometimes had to read things twice just to make sure I was reading correctly. Now Since I always enjoy sharing things with people, I thought I would share the disturbing stories that I found within the Bible. I have decided to pick 3 chapters from the Bible in which I felt were extremely disturbing and way out of order. What is more shocking is that when I tell Christians about these stories found in their book they immediately call me a liar, now I don’t blame them since they obviously don’t even know their own book, and they are also not shown everything. Now the 3 events that I will be discussing are as follows: 1- Rape is allowed in the Bible. 2- Judah and his daughter in law. 3- David and the next door neighbor. So I first begin with Deuteronomy 22:25-29 which allows rape, here are the passages: 25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. Now incase you didn’t catch where the rape is allowed I shall break the verses down to make it more clear and easier to understand. So lets break it down: 25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her Now Christians always love to quote this part in a defense to show that rape is not allowed. However so much to their attempts it fails, to start off with what the Christian always forgets to mention is that verses 25-27 is talking about a NON-VIRGIN who is raped. So yes, the Christian is right, verses 25-27 do condemn rape, however so it only condemns rape in certain cases. So now we have established that if a non-virgin is raped then the rapist shall be killed. However so lets now read on to see where the rape is allowed: 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. So now in verse 28 we see that if a man rapes a VIRGIN then his punishment is that he has to pay her father and marry her! What kind of law is that? I would really love to know why do you kill the rapist if he rapes a non virgin and why don’t you kill the rapist when he rapes a virgin? So as we all just saw, rape is condoned in certain cases in the Bible, when the victim happens to be a virgin the man gets away with it, when the victim is a non virgin the man is killed. Let me post the entire passages again: 25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days So there you go, in verses 25-27 when the non virgin is raped the rapist is killed. In verses 28-29 when a virgin is raped the rapist is not killed, the rape victim has to marry the rapist! Now I can assure you that no rape victim would ever want to marry her rapist, she would rather kill herself than marry her rapist. I wonder what a Christian has to say to this? Now incase a Christian comes up and says that this is the OT and they follow the OT anymore here is my response: 1- Even if you do not follow the OT this law and rule still applied at one time. The person who made this rule and law is the God of Israel, and all you Christians believe in the God of Israel so hence at one time your God (Jesus) allowed rape in certain cases, the case being if the rape victim was a virgin. 2- 2 Timothy 3:16 states: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness So hence the NT states that ALL scripture is God-breathed and is there for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and instruction. This verse applies to the OT as well since the OT is God-breathed, hence Deuteronomy 22:28 according to 2 Timothy 3:16 can be used for doctrine, reproof, correction or instruction! So hence the OT verse can still be applied to even in today’s age according to the NT! So Christians have no way out of this hole. They’re book allows rape, the NT says all scripture is God-breathed and is there for help and must be followed, hence Christians should follow the law of Deuteronomy 22:28 which makes it okay to rape virgins. Now to the second disturbing story/event in the Bible is Judah and his daughter in law. The story can be found in Genesis 38, parental discretion is advised. Here is the story: Genesis Chapter 38 KJV 1 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah. 2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her. 3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er. 4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan. 5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him. 6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. 11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house. 12 And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite. 13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep. 14 And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. 15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. 16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? 17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? 18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. 19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood. 20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not. 21 Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place. 22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place. 23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her. 24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. 25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff. 26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more. 27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb. 28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. 29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. 30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah. Well I think the verses are pretty self-explanatory aren’t they? I can assure you that Christian missionaries don’t go preaching this chapter around, I can also assure you that Christian Bible study groups don’t teach this in their seminars neither. As I said most Christians do not even know about this event. You tell them about it and they will call you a liar. So as you noticed, Judah thinks that his daughter in law Tamar is a harlot, so he goes up to her and asks her for sex. Tamar all along knows who Judah is and just goes along with it, eventually she agrees to terms and allows her father in law Judah to have sex with her! As a result of this sick act, Tamar then gives birth to twins. The disturbing episode does not end there. Note how Tamar is burned to death while nothing happens to Judah! So hence Judah basically got away with it! So why didn’t Judah get punished there? Why did Tamar get burned and not Judah to? The disturbing episode does not end there. There is more! Let us now go read Matthew and see the lineage of Jesus’ family, it seems to get from bad to worst. Here is the lineage: Matthew Chapter 1 KJV 1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; 10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; 11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; 13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. So note Jesus’ family lineage comes from that sick night of incest! What makes things worse is that Christians believe Jesus is God, so then this means God’s family line is a result of incest! This is what Christians call the good news. I wonder how a Christian will explain this? Let me make it easy for them, there is no explanation, how the heck are you going to try and explain the fact that your God’s family lineage is from incest! Well this is enough to cast doubt on the entire authenticity of the Bible. Now it doesn’t end there, there is still one more story and this time it involves David. David also happens to be in Jesus’ family lineage as well. 2 Samuel 11: 1-27 : And it came to pass, after the year was expired, at the time when kings go forth to battle, that David sent Joab, and his servants with him, and all Israel; and they destroyed the children of Ammon, and besieged Rabbah. But David tarried still at Jerusalem. 2 And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon. 3 And David sent and inquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? 4 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house. 5 And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I am with child. 6 And David sent to Joab, saying, Send me Uriah the Hittite. And Joab sent Uriah to David. 7 And when Uriah was come unto him, David demanded of him how Joab did, and how the people did, and how the war prospered. 8 And David said to Uriah, Go down to thy house, and wash thy feet. And Uriah departed out of the king's house, and there followed him a mess of meat from the king. 9 But Uriah slept at the door of the king's house with all the servants of his lord, and went not down to his house. 10 And when they had told David, saying, Uriah went not down unto his house, David said unto Uriah, Camest thou not from thy journey? why then didst thou not go down unto thine house? 11 And Uriah said unto David, The ark, and Israel, and Judah, abide in tents; and my lord Joab, and the servants of my lord, are encamped in the open fields; shall I then go into mine house, to eat and to drink, and to lie with my wife? as thou livest, and as thy soul liveth, I will not do this thing. 12 And David said to Uriah, Tarry here to day also, and to morrow I will let thee depart. So Uriah abode in Jerusalem that day, and the morrow. 13 And when David had called him, he did eat and drink before him; and he made him drunk: and at even he went out to lie on his bed with the servants of his lord, but went not down to his house. 14 And it came to pass in the morning, that David wrote a letter to Joab, and sent it by the hand of Uriah. 15 And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retire ye from him, that he may be smitten, and die. 16 And it came to pass, when Joab observed the city, that he assigned Uriah unto a place where he knew that valiant men were. 17 And the men of the city went out, and fought with Joab: and there fell some of the people of the servants of David; and Uriah the Hittite died also. 18 Then Joab sent and told David all the things concerning the war; 19 And charged the messenger, saying, When thou hast made an end of telling the matters of the war unto the king, 20 And if so be that the king's wrath arise, and he say unto thee, Wherefore approached ye so nigh unto the city when ye did fight? knew ye not that they would shoot from the wall? 21 Who smote Abimelech the son of Jerubbesheth? did not a woman cast a piece of a millstone upon him from the wall, that he died in Thebez? why went ye nigh the wall? then say thou, Thy servant Uriah the Hittite is dead also. 22 So the messenger went, and came and showed David all that Joab had sent him for. 23 And the messenger said unto David, Surely the men prevailed against us, and came out unto us into the field, and we were upon them even unto the entering of the gate. 24 And the shooters shot from off the wall upon thy servants; and some of the king's servants be dead, and thy servant Uriah the Hittite is dead also. 25 Then David said unto the messenger, Thus shalt thou say unto Joab, Let not this thing displease thee, for the sword devoureth one as well as another: make thy battle more strong against the city, and overthrow it: and encourage thou him. 26 And when the wife of Uriah heard that Uriah her husband was dead, she mourned for her husband. 27 And when the mourning was past, David sent and fetched her to his house, and she became his wife, and bare him a son. But the thing that David had done displeased the LORD. So David not only has sex with his neighbours wife. He is also responsible for the death of his mistresses husband! So David commits two huge sins, and guess what, he got away it! David was not punished according to the law. So question, why was not David killed according to the law? Why did God compromise his own laws with David? Another question, can you teach this to your kids? Another question, why don’t I hear Christians preaching this loud and clear in their churches? Why are Christians hiding these verses away acting like they don’t exist? The answer is apparent, Christians are ashamed of their own book. So in summary we discover that: A- The Bible condones rape in certain cases. B- Judah slept with his daughter in law and had twins, this is the family lineage of Jesus the Christian God, this basically means that the Christian God came from a line of incest C- David slept with another man’s wife, he then made sure the man would get killed just so he could have his wife! Christians sure do have a lot explaining to do. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Empiree: 12:01am On Apr 18, 2015 |
^ @EzioAuditore, you are choking truthman2012 and malvisguy212. They can't decipher your posts. They are shivering over your it. truthman2012:hehehe! It pains you  . I reversed your statement You will cry, you will wail by the time you will discover Christianity is satan in disguise. I pity you.2 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 1:47am On Apr 18, 2015 |
Empiree: I assure you mate, there are no bigger liars than the christians, they embrace a strategy of selective morality and attack others but that method only works on the ignorant, you just need to read the bible to know their whole religion is a joke. When they accuse muslims, its becausing they're mistranslating or misinterpreting our verses but the bible is just a book of clear and crazy contradictions. A book mostly written by men can't be perfect afterall. 002:079 Khan : Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by malvisguy212: 6:21am On Apr 18, 2015 |
EzioAuditore:the reason I stop replying you is because you don't know how to debate,the op was discussing the death of Jesus, but you derailed the thread and know one report you. You ask one question and if you get your reply you turn to another question,you ask about Jesus and mithras and you get your reply and then you turn to song of solomon and we reply you but next you turn to ishmael and Isaac and we reply but all this while none of you even attempt to answer the op, do you think we will keep on replying you? You copy and paste long articles from anti-Christianity site .go and learn how to debate. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Rilwayne001: 6:31am On Apr 18, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Are ypu saying that the song of solomon wasnt inspired by the holy spirit? |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by malvisguy212: 6:33am On Apr 18, 2015 |
When Muhammad had doubts, Allah told him to seek out those who studied the Bible in order to clear his doubts. Surah 10:94: “And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture that was before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.” (Pickthall) Those who read the Scriptures before Muhammad were the Jews and the Christians. They read the Torah and the Gospel. We continue with our questions: When do you believe the Bible was corrupted, was this before or after Muhammad? If before, does it make sense for Allah to direct Muhammad to seek out those read corrupted Scriptures to clear his doubt? If before, why did Allah command Muhammad to seek guidance from corrupted Scriptures to clear his doubts? If before, how can Allah say in the Qur’an that there is guidance and light in the Torah and the Gospels? (Surah 5:44-46) |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 6:47am On Apr 18, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Yeah I'd run too if I were you. You haven't answered a single question of mine! Not about jesus' similarities with pagan gods that came before him especially horus the one eyed SUN GOD and definitely not about how the bible contradicts itself when it comes to the story of isaac, ishmael and hagar. You also couldn't prove that it was isaac not ishmael that was almost sacrificed, nor have you justified the pornography in the bible. The verse below is meant for you and all who follow the path of your deceptive religion. 002:079 : Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby." |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by malvisguy212: 7:16am On Apr 18, 2015 |
EzioAuditore:can you provide a single verse in the quran where it say the bible is corrupted? |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by truthman2012(m): 11:43am On Apr 18, 2015 |
malvisguy212: If the bible is corrupt, why did allah approve it? https://www.nairaland.com/2263597/following-quranic-verses-true-then |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 12:31pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
malvisguy212: "Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who WRITE the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' to traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.” This is an explanation of the verse, courtesy of Islamqa.info Praise be to Allaah. In this verse, Allah warns those who distort the Book and change laws, those who betrayed the trust of knowledge and religion, with loss, punishment and doom on the Day of Resurrection. They distorted the Book by adding and subtracting, and they said that this was from Allah, lying and fabricating. Their aim in distorting the Book was to make transient worldly gains. This is represented in a number of things: 1. Worldly status by holding onto the leading positions which were enjoyed by the prominent figures and rabbis of the Jews. They knew that if they believed and submitted and accepted the leadership of the new Prophet, they would lose their position that made them look down on people, and their followers would turn away from them to follow the new Prophet, so they erased everything from their Books that foretold the coming of Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and they concealed what knowledge they had of this matter. Thus they bought transient worldly gain at the cost of the eternal Hereafter. Al-Baghawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: That is because the rabbis of the Jews were afraid of losing their livelihood and position of leadership, when the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) came to Madeenah. So they tried to prevent the Jews from believing in him. They went to his description in the Torah, where he is described as having a handsome face, with handsome hair, kohl-rimmed eyes and being of average height, and they changed it, writing instead: Tall, blue, with straight hair. When their foolish ones asked them about the description of the Prophet, they read what they had written and said that he was different from this description, so they disbelieved him and rejected him. So Allah said (interpretation of the meaning): “Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands” [al-Baqarah 2:79]. End quote. Ma‘aalim al-Tanzeel, 1/115 Al-Qurtubi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Ibn Ishaaq and al-Kalbi said: The description of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) in their Book said that he was of average height and white, but they changed it to say that he was dark with long, straight hair, and they said to their companions and followers: Look at the description of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) who will be sent at the end of time; he does not resemble this one. The rabbis and scholars held leadership positions and had an income and they were afraid that if they spoke the truth they would lose their livelihood and positions of leadership, so they changed it. End quote. Al-Jaami‘ li Ahkaam al-Qur’aan 2. This little price was in return for what they wrote of pages of books. Some of the priests and rabbis of the People of the Book wrote it themselves in order to sell it to some ignorant people and earn money from that. Because of their stinginess and treachery, they deceived them about the word of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, and they said that these books were from Allah when they are not from Allah. Qataadah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Some people among the Children of Israel wrote a book with their own hands so as to earn a living from people, and they said: This is from Allah, but it is not from Allah. End quote. Al-Saddi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Some of the Jews wrote a book themselves to sell to the Arabs, and they told them that it was from Allah, so that they could take a little price for it. End quote. Jaami‘ al-Bayaan, 2/270-271 Al-‘Allaamah al-Taahir ibn ‘Ashoor (may Allah have mercy on him) mentioned two other aspects of the worldly greed that led some of the People of the Book to distort their Books. He (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The price meant here is pleasing the common folk, by changing the rulings of the religion for them so that they will be in accordance with their whims and desires, or to claim that they have knowledge even though they are ignorant. So they fabricated worthless books full of stories and simple information so as to pretend that they had knowledge in front of people because they were unable to grasp true knowledge, and they wanted prominence and false leadership. So they fabricated stories and ideas in which there is no true knowledge at all, then they propagated it and attributed it to Allah and His Religion. This is the attitude of the ignorant who seek leadership without being qualified for it, so that they may appear as scholars in the eyes of the common folk and those who cannot distinguish between true and false. End quote. Al-Tahreer wa’l-Tanweer, 1/577 And Allah knows best. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 12:34pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
truthman2012: Allah approved the real gospel sent to Jesus, not the pornographic book of confusion you call the bible today, The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Whatever the people of the Book [Jews and Christians] tell you, do not verify them, nor falsify them, but say: We believe in Allah and His Apostle. If it is false, do not confirm it, and if it is right, do not falsify it. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Knowledge (Kitab Al-Ilm), Book 25, Number 3637)" 1 Like |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 12:47pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Listen to your bible Malvis! Sing unto the Lord a new song, and His praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is therein, the islands, and the inhabitants thereof! 11 Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory to the Lord, and declare His praise in the islands. 13 The Lord shall go forth like a mighty man; He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea, roar; He shall prevail against His enemies. —Isaiah 42:10 "Behold! My Servant, whom I uphold; My Elect One, in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench. In truth He shall bring forth justice. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He has established justice in the earth; and the islands shall wait for His law." 18 I will raise up for them a prophet (Prophet) from among their brethren like you, and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not hearken to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. —Deuteronomy 18:18-20 God will come from the south, and the holy one from mount Pharan: His glory covered the heavens, and the earth is full of his praise. —Habakkuk 3:3[53] Since there is no connection between Jesus and Mount Paran "the Mount of Ishmael", who could this holy man be if not Muhammad? The Coming of God from the south of Palestine is a reference to the cradle of Islam in the western coast of Arabia. The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people. —Genesis 49:10 Kedar and the east have been defined as Arabia in the bible. Shiloh is a Jewish word that can be translated as either apostle of God or Apostle/messenger/one to be sent. Listen to your bible. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 1:15pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Like I said, all they do is mistranslate and misunderstand the message of the Quran. Does Quran 10:94 says Muslim, to ask People of Book if they are in doubt ? There are two explanation of this Verse Many Christians claims that Quran Surah 10:94 tells Muslims to ask People of Book that is Christians and Jews if they are in doubt about Quran. Quran 10:94 states "If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt." From all of the context they just pick up this verse saying that Muslims should ask People of Book if they are in Doubt. Well let us read the whole passage. Surah 10:90 We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)." Surah 10:91 (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! Surah 10:92 "This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" Surah 10:93 We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had granted to them, that they fell into schisms. Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them, on the Day of Judgment. Surah 10:94 If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. From Reading the Above Passages we can conclude that Allah helped the People of Israel and saved them from Pharaoh. He showerd His blessings upon the People of Israel and settled them in a beautiful place of Jerusalem. Yet they fell into groups and worked against Allah's order and were arrogant. This is the mischeif that Quran says to be asked by People of the Book. And thus, this mischeif are also a part of Bible. Does this passage contradict anything in the bible or torah you guys preach? Does this answer your question? Of course it does! Now go and answer mine. 1 Like |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by truthman2012(m): 2:11pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
EzioAuditore: If torah and injeel are not the bible, where are they? Allah is so weak to prevent men throwing away his books. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 3:34pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
[b][/b] truthman2012: As Muslims, we must be very careful when we comment on the previous Scriptures, because there is always a possibility that there might be Divine Revelations parts in the verses that we might be objecting to. I know that the many of the disbelievers constantly insult and mock Islam all the time, and even lie on their own Scriptures with their "End of Times Prophecies" lies, -where they hijacked even the Bible with their bigotry, hate and lies, - but still dear brothers and sisters in Islam, we must always be very careful when we deal with previous Scriptures, because as Muslims we do believe that they do contain remnants of Divine Revelations in them. May Allah Almighty forgive me, and forgive all sincere Muslims, for any and all mistakes and errors that we may have fell into. Ameen. If you read my previous hadiths you'd see where the prophet teaches us to accept only the parts of the current bible which do not contradict the teachings of the Quran. Let's not overlook the fact that the bible admits to the Jews corruption. Let's see what the bible has to say about this and what the noble Quran also teaches. "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 31:25-29)" Here the Jews' hands are predicted to cause so much corruption (including corruption in the Bible). Jeremiah 8:8 below which came approximately 826 later confirmed the Bible corruption. "How can you say we (the Jews) are wise and the law of the Lord is with us, when in fact the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie? (Jeremiah 8:8 (Revised Standard Version))" "And because of their (the Jews) breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their places and have abandoned a good part of the message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them and overlook (their misdeed). Verily! Allah loves the kindly. (The Noble Quran, 5:13)" "O Messenger!(Muhammad) Do not be grieved by those who vie with one another in the race to disbelief, of such as say with their mouths: "We believe" but their hearts believe not, and of the Jews: of them are those who listen eagerly to lies -listener to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say: If you are given this then take it, but if you are not given this then beware! He whom Allah dooms unto sin, you (by your efforts) will avail him naught against Allah. Those are they for whom the will of Allah is that He cleanse not their hearts; for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment. (The Noble Quran, 5:41)" For countless ages, the only book of history available to Christians and Jews was the Old Testament. When someone wanted to know what happened in the past, they would go back and study the Old Testament to find the answer. New theories about history literally lived and died by their conformance to what the Old Testament taught. Then the discrepancies began to be noticed. Once mankind began to study the Old Testament in detail, comparing the various passages which referred to the same topic in order to obtain as much detail as possible, they began to notice conflicting accounts of many matters as well as other problems. For instance, in the eleventh century, it was noticed that the list of Edomite kings in Genesis 36 names kings who lived long after Moses was dead Then people began to notice such statements as "to this day" something is true, which implies that the author was looking back at these matters through history and has seen that they have endured. Let's look at the lies that were more recently inserted into the bible. 1.2.2.5 1 John 5:7 The only verses in the whole Bible that explicitly ties God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit in one "Triune" being is the verse of 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." This is the type of clear, decisive, and to-the-point verse I have been asking for. However, as I would later find out, this verse is now universally recognized as being a later "insertion" of the Church and all recent versions of the Bible, such as the Revised Standard Version the New Revised Standard Version, the New American Standard Bible, the New English Bible, the Phillips Modern English Bible ...etc. have all unceremoniously expunged this verse from their pages. Why is this? The scripture translator Benjamin Wilson gives the following explanation for this action in his "Emphatic Diaglott." Mr. Wilson says: "This text concerning the heavenly witness is not contained in any Greek manuscript which was written earlier than the fifteenth century. It is not cited by any of the ecclesiastical writers; not by any of early Latin fathers even when the subjects upon which they treated would naturally have lead them to appeal to it's authority. It is therefore evidently spurious." Others, such as the late Dr. Herbert W. Armstrong argued that this verse was added to the Latin Vulgate edition of the Bible during the heat of the controversy between Rome, Arius, and God's people. Whatever the reason, this verse is now universally recognized as an insertion and discarded. Since the Bible contains no verses validating a "Trinity" therefore, centuries after the departure of Jesus, God chose to inspire someone to insert this verse in order to clarify the true nature of God as being a "Trinity." Notice how mankind was being inspired as to how to "clarify" the Bible centuries after the departure of Jesus (pbuh). People continued to put words in the mouths of Jesus, his disciples, and even God himself with no reservations whatsoever. They were being "inspired" (see chapter two). If these people were being "inspired" by God, I wondered, then why did they need to put these words into other people's mouths (in our example, in the mouth of John). Why did they not just openly say "God inspired me and I will add a chapter to the Bible in my name"? Also, why did God need to wait till after the departure of Jesus to "inspire" his "true" nature? Why not let Jesus (pbuh) say it himself? The great luminary of Western literature, Mr. Edward Gibbon, explains the reason for the discardal of this verse from the pages of the Bible with the following words: "Of all the manuscripts now extant, above fourscore in number, some of which are more than 1200 years old, the orthodox copies of the Vatican, of the Complutensian editors, of Robert Stephens are becoming invisible; and the two manuscripts of Dublin and Berlin are unworthy to form an exception...In the eleventh and twelfth centuries, the Bibles were corrected by LanFrank, Archbishop of Canterbury, and by Nicholas, a cardinal and librarian of the Roman church, secundum Ortodoxam fidem. Notwithstanding these corrections, the passage is still wanting in twenty-five Latin manuscripts, the oldest and fairest; two qualities seldom united, except in manuscripts....The three witnesses have been established in our Greek Testaments by the prudence of Erasmus; the honest bigotry of the Complutensian editors; the typographical fraud, or error, of Robert Stephens in the placing of a crotchet and the deliberate falsehood, or strange misapprehension, of Theodore Beza." Let's examine Paul, I mean Saul, I mean... Whatever he goes by these days you know who I mean, the man who never met Jesus Christ and even admits that he is not sure that his work is divine. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (New International Version) 40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (New American Standard Bible) 40 But in my opinion she is happier if she remains as she is; and I think that I also have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (Amplified Bible) 40 But in my opinion [a widow] is happier (more blessed and to be envied) if she does not remarry. And also I think I have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (New Living Translation) 40 But in my opinion it would be better for her to stay single, and I think I am giving you counsel from God’s Spirit when I say this. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (King James Version) 40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (English Standard Version) 40 Yet in my judgment she is happier if she remains as she is. And I think that I too have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (New King James Version) 40 But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my judgment—and I think I also have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (21st Century King James Version) 40 But she is happier if she so remain, in my judgment; and I think also that I have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (American Standard Version) 40 But she is happier if she abide as she is, after my judgment: and I think that I also have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (Young's Literal Translation) 40 and she is happier if she may so remain -- according to my judgment; and I think I also have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (Darby Translation) 40 But she is happier if she so remain, according to my judgment; but I think that *I* also have God's Spirit. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (Holman Christian Standard Bible) 40 But she is happier if she remains as she is, in my opinion. And I think that I also have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (New International Reader's Version) 40 In my opinion, she is happier if she stays single. And I also think that I am led by the Spirit of God in saying that. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (New International Version - UK) 40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is— and I think that I too have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40 (Today's New International Version) 40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God. As virtually more than 90% of all English translations quoted Paul saying "i think", I am confident that every his own Bible says "I think", which would really make it quite ironic. I will investigate this further, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing). 1- For Paul to say that he "thinks" he has the Holy Spirit, he obviously wasn't even sure 100% that he had It. 2- "For instance, I don't say I THINK I am seeing my wife. No! I see my wife! She's sitting over there. You have to speak with authority and confidence, especially when you declare yourself to be a Prophet who was sent from GOD Almighty." If I were to say that I think I see my wife, and she's only some 10-20 feet away, then this would tell you that my eye sight is poor and I would need eyeglasses. Same thing with Paul. If he wasn't even sure whether or not GOD Almighty's Spirit was in him, then we have a problem. Now moving on to the more serious issues of Paul, I believe it is a very serious thing. Paul showed absolutely no confidence and no authority in his claims about receiving Divine Revelations. When he said "I think I have the Spirit of GOD in me," that statement virtually blew away all of his credibility as a true Prophet, because what kind of a delusional and confused person was he? And what "spirit" was really inspiring him? Or was he just having plain delusions? Historically, we've heard of many many false Prophets that came and went. Our most recent one was David Koresh of Waco, Texas - USA, where he and his followers were burnt alive by the FBI, which in return caused for the Oklahoma City bombing by, Timothy McVeigh and his other partner who was never captured, and whom the US government calls "John Doe", to happen for vengeance against the US government. He also had delusions of him being inspired by GOD Almighty. So why should Paul be any different? Furthermore, since the Bible's own theologians admit that its books and gospels had all been: Written by mysterious men. Written by an unknown number of men. Written in unknown places. Written in unknown dates. then based on what objective grounds should we even consider Paul's current books to be: All 100% his work. Unaltered by men. All True Divine Revelations from GOD Almighty. I don't see that being a valid case at all. Paul clearly demonstrated his uncertainty and doubts about whether he even had the Spirit of GOD Almighty in him. The Bible again and again is proven to be corrupt and false. Paul was also proven again and again to be a false prophet. I personally think that since liquor back then was quite harmful to the body, because it was heavily concentrated and full of bacteria and microbes, that it might've effected his head and caused him to start hearing voices and fool and mislead many with him. Your religion is a man made delusion that possibly includes the worship of pagan gods! DO YOU ReMEMBER OuR DISCUSSION A BOUT HORUS THE ONE EYeD SUN GoD WE TALKED ABOUT WHom YOU GuYS WORSHIP INDIRECtLY? Read this please! Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)" Who is worshipping satan here? |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by truthman2012(m): 4:30pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
EzioAuditore: Who do you think would have the time for lenghty post? You must have just graduated from an islamic school where you have been taught MISINTERPRETATIONS of the Bible. How can you say we (the Jews) are wise and the law of the Lord is with us, when in fact the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie? (Jeremiah 8:8 (Revised Standard Version))" What Jeremiah was saying here is that the scribes misinterpreted the Laws of God. God's laws cannot be made a lie and God of the bible does not change his words like allah of the quran (Click the link below). Note that Jeremiah did not bring any different laws from the existing ones. The same laws laws Jeremiah and other prophets after him did observe. Click here to see how islamic allah was corrupting his own words by changing them. He is never stable: https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 4:55pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
truthman2012: You asked for a response, you got one, now you're too good to read it? You really are blind indeed. But at least you read a very important part but funny enough, I gave two biblical verses but you chose to defend one, poorly I might add. Your defense just further confirms my claim, you admitted to jews misinterpreting the laws of God did you not? Again! You just shot yourself in the foot! Just as you misinterpreted and tampered with Gods laws, that doesn't mean they will change, for the true laws of God live on. As for your latter claims, bring those claims to me, you can't just refer me to a dead post. Stop giving me excuses to dodge your questions. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by truthman2012(m): 5:49pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
EzioAuditore: I wonder why you don't know how to simply click a link. A primary school pulpil can do it. How did you get to this forum? The site moderator moved my thread to muslim section and you are asking me to bring it to you here. How do I do that? You must be lying to say you don't know how to click a link. That is taqqiyah you are applying. Misinterpretation of the law in the way the Jews practiced it is not the same as changing or corrupting the law. Then if the law does not change, where is the corruption? Anybody can interpret the law to mean different things just like the lawyers do. The Sunnis and Shia muslims interpret quran differently, do they have different quran? Does it mean either of them corrupt the quran as written? The difference is the interpretations. Infact, your allah says the Jews did not change the content of the Jewish Scriptures as written, he says only some of them changed it with their tongue (Quran 3:78 Pickthal). Tell me the law that was corrupted in the Old Testament and say why? Quran says Jesus disciples were witnesses to the TRUTH (Quran 3:53 Pickthal). Tell me why true witnesses would have corrupted the New Testament. Be as brief as possible and not rewrite the whole bible wrongly as has been your habit. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 7:11pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
truthman2012: Where's the lie? I didn't say I clicked it, I didn't say i didn't know how to click a link, I just said I won't, stop trying to impress me by using an Arabic word, honestly I couldn't care less. And the Quran did say that the Jews passed on self written books as the word of God, read my previous posts for more on that and Jesus did not bring any new laws, he only consolidated on the laws of Moses, Muhammad did bring new laws, that's why Muhammad is the prophet like Moses your bible prophesied his coming. And just because they witnessed the truth, it doesn't mean they are true witnesses, people see the truth and then lie all the time but in this case, these people are not even witnesses of any sorts, Paul and his fellow compilers NEVER even saw Jesus so I don't know how they're witnesses. As for the Shias, that's a different topic all on its own, do you even know how they came to be? Research Abdullahi Ibn Saba the Jew, he is to islam what Paul was to Christianity but only that in his case, he failed in his mission because Allah promised that he will forever protect the contents of the Quran and the Quran everywhere you go is the same and forever will be, that is Allahs promise. The Shias are just another Jewish machination, just like Christians. And the main difference between the Shias and Sunnis is not about the interpretation of the Quran, get your facts right! Short enough for your inferior mind? |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by truthman2012(m): 8:14pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
EzioAuditore: No point. Smh! Muhammad was not prophesied in the bible, stop deceiving yourself. https://www.nairaland.com/2127594/muhammad-not-prophesied-sent-him |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by Nobody: 8:46pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
truthman2012: Lmao! Did I really leave you that speechless? The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people. —Genesis 49:10 18 I will raise up for them a prophet (Prophet) from among their brethren like you, and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not hearken to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. —Deuteronomy 18:18-20 "Behold! My Servant, whom I uphold; My Elect One, in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench. In truth He shall bring forth justice. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He has established justice in the earth; and the islands shall wait for His law." —Isaiah 42:1 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and His praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is therein, the islands, and the inhabitants thereof! 11 Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory to the Lord, and declare His praise in the islands. 13 The Lord shall go forth like a mighty man; He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea, roar; He shall prevail against His enemies. —Isaiah 42:10 God will come from the south, and the holy one from mount Pharan: His glory covered the heavens, and the earth is full of his praise. —Habakkuk 3:3[53] Since there is no connection between Jesus and Mount Paran "the Mount of Ishmael", No doubt the "holy one" in this verse is Muhammad.[54] The Coming of God from the south of Palestine is a reference to the cradle of Islam in the western coast of Arabia. Dead Sea Scrolls (ancient These scrolls predict the coming of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a priestly messiah from the lineage of Aaron and a kingly messiah from the lineage of David.[55] The priestly messiah of Aaron is identified as Jesus son of Mary in the light of Qur'an 19:28 which says that Mary "the mother of Jesus" came from the lineage of Aaron. The kingly messiah is identified as Muhammad in the light of the gospel of Barnabas, Mark 12:35-37, Luke 20:41-44 and Matthew 22:42-46 which all assert that the coming messiah "the kingly messiah" is not going to be from the lineage of David. Margaret S. King argues, in Chapter 12 of her book "Unveiling The Messiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls", that the Jews were informed by the son of Mary that the kingly messiah whom they were expecting would come from the lineage of Ishmael. 42 "Have you never read in the Scriptures," said Jesus, "'The Stone which the builders rejected has been made the Cornerstone: this Cornerstone came from the Lord, and is wonderful (θαυμαστὴ) in our eyes'? 43 "That, I tell you, is the reason why the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and given to a nation that will exhibit the power of it. 44 He who falls on this stone will be severely hurt; but he on whom it falls will be utterly crushed." 45 After listening to His parables the High Priests and the Pharisees perceived that He was speaking about them; 46 but though they were eager to lay hands upon Him, they were afraid of the people, for by them He was regarded as a Prophet. —Matthew 21:33-46 (Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-18) The Prophet who will come from the "EAST". The Bible defined "EAST" to mean Arabia, and the lands of Kedar and Teman (Saudi Arabia today). The Prophet who will come from "Arabia". The Prophet who will come from the lands and "tents of Kedar" and "lands of Teman". Kedar and Teman (also called "Tema" in the Bible) are two of Ishmael's sons: Genesis 25:13-15. The Prophet who will "crush the idols of the deserts of Kedar". The Prophet who will "fight the idol worshipers" in the deserts of Kedar. The people of Kedar will Glorify GOD Almighty, and GOD will Glorify His Holy Temple "in Kedar". "Arabia will rejoice and blossom". The Prophet who will come from the "Desert". Again, the Bible also defined the "Desert" to mean the lands of Arabia, Kedar and Teman. The Prophet of the "New Law" & "New Covenant", whom the Jews "must not fear". The Prophet who is "like Moses". Both Muhammad and Moses brought new Laws. There is the Law of Moses, which the entire Bible is built on, and there is the Law of the Holy Quran, which Islam is built on. Also in the New Testament, Christ is recorded to have said this to the Jews: "So [For this reason; Therefore] I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people [a nation] who do the things God wants in his kingdom [will produce its fruit]." (Matthew 21:43). Jesus Christ here spoke about foreign people; non-Jews. Jesus was a Jew and was speaking with Jews. |
| Re: Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This? by truthman2012(m): 11:23pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
EzioAuditore I discovered that you have no answer to my question: Why did allah promise the Jews and Christians heaven with reward despite all the negative things he said about their books (Quran 2:62)? I have given you a link where you have the opportunity to see how allah was deceiving the muslims by saying one thing today and reversing it tomorrow. Since you don't know the use of a link, go to islam section and read "Why did Muslims Fail To Probe This". No muslim could give any defence. Lmao! Did I really leave you that speechless? I am so sure you have been deceived. You have been armed with so many write-ups by islamc teachers, who interpret the Bible wrongly to suit their own purposes and that is why it is easy for you to copy and paste very long posts. You don't expect me to respond to posts that are as voluminous as the whole Bible, containing so many irrelevances. I will raise up for them a prophet (Prophet) from among their brethren like you, and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not hearken to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. It is because you are new on nairaland. This has been debunked many times over. Moses was addressing the Israelites he was leading out of Egypt to Canaan. He told them God would raise a prophet from among their brethren, not among Arabs. He was addressing his people and not Arabians. And that prophet was Jesus. Was Muhammad like unto Moses? Muhammad went about sleeping with anything in skirt: baby Aisha, slaves and many women. Was that what Moses did? Behold! My Servant, whom I uphold; My Elect One, in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall He not break,and smoking flax shall He not quench. In truth He shall bring forth justice. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He has established justice in the earth; and the islands shall wait for His law." How did Muhammad, a killer qualify for this? His law. Did you note the word "His" that the 'h' is in capital? When did they begin to use capital 'h' for Muhammad? I tell you the truth, you have been deceived. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and[b]His praise[/b]from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is therein, the islands, and the inhabitants thereof! 11 Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory to the Lord, and declare His praise in the islands. 13 The Lord shall go forth like a mighty man; He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea, roar; He shall prevail against His enemies. Did you also note "His praise" that the 'h' is in capital? When did they begin to use capital 'h' for Muhammad? In the bible, as far as muslims are concerned, anywhere Jesus name is not specifically mentioned, it is talking about Muhammad. Sorry for you. God will come from the south, and the holy one from mount Pharan: His glory covered the heavens, and the earth is full of his praise.. Common sense dictates that this is talking about God Almighty and not any man. How can you place Muhammad in the position of God as the "Holy One'' (not 'holy one' as you wrote). How can you say "His glory" covered the heaven" is referring to Muhammad, a sinner? If anybody taught you this, I think you should apply your own common sense. Do you see why I didn't answer most of your points. They amount to spiritual ignorance. You have been fed with much falsehood and only God can liberate you. "Have you never read in the Scriptures," said Jesus, "'The Stone which the builders rejected has been made the Cornerstone: this Cornerstone came from the Lord, and is wonderful (θαυμαστὴ) in our eyes'? This statement was made years before Muhammad was born. The word "has been made the Cornerstone" shows that it is not a future tense to refer to Muhammad whose forefather had not been born. It has happened in the time of Jesus and He (Jesus) is the Chief Cornerstone. Can you see that all the notes you are copying and pasting are nonsense? If I didn't answer you is because I don't have time for responding to ignorant talk. "That, I tell you, is the reason why the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and given to a nation that will exhibit the power of it. 44 He who falls on this stone will be severely hurt; but he on whom it falls will be utterly crushed." 45 After listening to His parables the High Priests and the Pharisees perceived that He was speaking about them; 46 but though they were eager to lay hands upon Him, they were afraid of the people, for by them He was regarded as a Prophet. Who was Jesus addressing in those Bible passages? It was the Pharisees and the Sadducees, the people who were in charge of Judaism. Jesus told them the government of God's people will be taken away from them and given to the Christian nation: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light (I Peter 2:9). This confirms the kingdom of God taken from the Pharisees and given to the Christians, the holy nation. The Prophet who will come from the "EAST". The Bible defined "EAST" to mean Arabia, and the lands of Kedar and Teman (Saudi Arabia today). All this is nonsense. This is what Genesis 25:13-15 say: Genesis 25:13-15King James Version (KJV) 13 And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, 14 And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, 15 Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: Where did you get the nonsensical interpretation you are giving the passage? Friend, I may not respond to you again. I don't have the time for your ignorance and errors you have been taught. May God in His mercies deliver you from islamic claw. |
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