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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:00pm On Apr 19, 2015
garrix8:


I think it's like this +-:

Whatever amount of oil is produced, a percentage is deducted by the IOC (Cost oil), then the PPT and Royalty is paid to the state (a percentage of the production). The balance is what's shared according to the terms of the PSC.

Nigeria still gets the higher percentage?
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by ekolina(m): 11:00pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

Since when did FIRS start collecting crude oil revenue?

Btw using words like breaking it down to my level does not make you any smart. Go and read the FIRS link.
. So who do you fink collects it
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:00pm On Apr 19, 2015
kunlejazz:


Isn't this just a show of shame?

77billion IS NOT 1.5 Trillion naira.
77billion IS 15.4 Trillion naira, at 200NGN per USD!


To even think that you're insulting the guy.

Wew!
He wrote 1.5 trillion not me.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by iyobs7(f): 11:01pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

Interesting,

Stop saying interesting and start apologizing for your ignorance and cluelessness on this subject matter you clearly know nothing of.

Please stop misleading people.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by groovie(m): 11:01pm On Apr 19, 2015
If the FG ever adopts the IGR style of Lagos, i will curse the people involved i swear. U guys just sit in your parlors and type what u like. Go out to the major business areas in Lagos and see what taxes are doing to them. Now is time for the incoming govt to work on recurrent expenditure, reduce senators allowance by at least 15% and source/monitor contracts with all seriousness and most importantly we should be self reliant as a nation. We should stop importing fvcking milk, tomatoes, oil, clothes, bags, shoes. Fvck we import fvcking toothpicks. These calculations of revenue accrued from oil and multiplying by current exchange rates is ridiculous. We are loosing our external reserves due to our low currency power for goodness sake. U should also consider inflation rates. So many other factors are to be considered before makiing such assumptions. Please WE DONT WANT ANY WELFARE PACKAGE IN THIS COUNTRY. we are developing and a stable environment is needed for investors and other SMEs. Please create this environment and stop assuming. I am tired of assumption in this country. Assumption is the mother, brother, and sister of all fvck ups

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by hope4nigeria(m): 11:02pm On Apr 19, 2015
kaboninc:


I tell you, between you and a goat, you'd lead a goat astray.

Gosh!
as i led ur papa and mama astray? OK ur both parents are goats
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kunlejazz(m): 11:02pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

He wrote 1.5 trillion not me.

Oh! My bad.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by stave9ja(m): 11:02pm On Apr 19, 2015
If you all say the calc is a lie... Where did the 20b$ get lost from

Guys there is money in this country

netotse:
@Obiagelli
Your economics/accounting is off, the post by flets on the first page is a good pointer...your intentions are good but you are spreading false information. If you're interested I could email you a book on how it's done...in the end, the amounts the IOCs get and the amounts the FGN gets are not too different, don't let the talk about percentages fool you.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by shigoslim(m): 11:02pm On Apr 19, 2015
Mykevp2p:


I have never doubt the social welfare program, my point was regarding to the issue of additional revenue gernation in terms of expandaing out tax net and revising the VAT.

About the issue of social welfare programs, this is just a replicate of what you have in Brazil (exactly wit the same conditions attached). The problem for me is the issue of identifying these poorest of the poor. GMB is just the president and cannot be everywhere. We have no functional national ID database.. It is difficult to determine who is even really a Nigerian let alone their level of income.







GOD bless u with these analysis. GOODLUCK said something like this but majority of us has gone stray to see the truth but blindly brain wash by new slogan CHANGE.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Urine: 11:02pm On Apr 19, 2015
There's nothing as interesting as watching folks with low IQ argue like they are members of Mensa international.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:02pm On Apr 19, 2015
ekolina:
. What you did is just to calculate the revenues without calculating the expenses done by NPC, DPR, Npdc and other paraster that constitute our oil companies. Also note that, the estimated 2.3 million barrels is not all exported a percentage is left for local consumption. If you look at monthly allocations to States and federal govt you should be able to deduce from there what we earn as a nation
Thats i used 2 million
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by 1wolex85: 11:02pm On Apr 19, 2015
dunkem21:


So, you know its 7.7?
the link says 77 , smartie!
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by AsherStorm(m): 11:03pm On Apr 19, 2015
Truckpusher:
Boy , if you ever believed those values then you're a mor0n. grin

u must be a bigger mórön for thinking this country isn't capable of delivering those things in buhari's manifesto ...
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 11:03pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

If politicians still less, we have no business borrowing. Are you saying oil companies gets more than 40%? I have reliable information but i can't find a link for it due to secrecy.

Borrowing is not a bad thing. For the fact you borrowed some funds doesn't mean there was theft. Nigeria borrows because we do not have easily disposable assets (we're are cash strapped) but we do have valuable assets that can stand in for the borrowed cash.

Oby, biko, spend time learning.

When asked how he intends to lead the country in the face of dwindling revenue, GMB said the money recovered from corruption will be used to augment budget shortfalls. Yeah, its a good initiative but how much kwanu?

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:03pm On Apr 19, 2015
Billyonaire:
Forget what Jonathan enjoyed. Your calculation is silly. Factor in State and Local Government allocations, then budget for External Reserves, Subsidy, Excess Crude and Debt Management. Do not pretend to be stupid, you are not stupid.
I already factored 52percent for FG, read the final part of my post.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Abok1(m): 11:04pm On Apr 19, 2015
ChinemeOkpan:


Conjectures and no sense in your submission.

This is a new government. New way of doing things.

Wait till Buhari takes over before you start complaining.



He has forgotten so soon that its not business as usual with the oil companies. I can recall that there's a clause in the oil contracts which states that non-performing oil wells would be taken over by the FG, which means the oil company would have to prove beyond reasonable doubts that its oil block is performing, and that in itself is based on the premise that the revenue projections tally with the agreed benchmarks.

Its either you pay up or forfeit your oil block.

Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Firefire(m): 11:05pm On Apr 19, 2015
kaboninc:


I never had any intention of commenting on nairaland tonight but your comment above made me puke! Damn! I felt some goose pimples and had to correct you.

The price of a barrel of crude is below 60USD, especially the Nigerian flavour. I thought you were complaining about the 'sudden' increase in naira-dollar exchange rate? Saying this government has failed to manage the economy? Now you're using it to validate your analogy (even when it is flawed). You're funny. I wonder what your definition of management is!

Oby, I beg you, please do not post such nonsense/rubbish and term it as fact again especially here in nairaland. Gosh, you're not talking to kids neither are we in the bear palour.

You're insulting our collective intelligence here. Biko!

For God's sake, the FIRS collects all revenues for the Federal Government and that includes the income generated from sales of crude oil. So where is the additional N4.69 trillion from FIRS coming from? Pluto?

In your analogy, you were so ignorant that you forgot to add the COST, EXPENSES incurred in lifting one barrel, processing it and subsequently selling it.

STOP posting rubbish here and labelling it as a FACT! Then again, isn't it amazing that you will spend about 20% - 25% of your national budget (1.8 trillion of 4.6 trillion) on direct consumption when there are urgent needs that require urgent attention? Still, I wonder what your definition of efficient management is! Maybe that's how your party, the APC intends to prune the cost of governance. So pathetic! I hope you know this year's budget is a budget of deficit? (or you don't know too?) Maybe you guys will print more money to execute your pipe project!

I beg you, STOP so that some lazy kids won't come here to pick these fractured information you post here and use it as a basis to argue.

Lastly, God gave us 2 eyes each and a wonderful reasoning component called the brain. Please let's use it.

Cheers.

Cc: anonimi


Kudos,

Like I said, we got overnight emergency Economist, half-baked for that matter, claiming to understand the interpretation of the numbers with the mere knowledge of plus and minus.

Nigerians are watching with keen interest the government of APC and how they would fulfill all their electoral promises.

God help their government.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Truckpusher(m): 11:05pm On Apr 19, 2015
ALISMILE:
explain why he shud nt believe!
Op have no single idea of what she's talking about.

If you set her before a babalawo and a magician right now the babalawo and the magician would be stunned about her figures .

She is talking trash and I won't waste my energy and time educating janjawiids.

Let them find out the hard way.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by brownlord: 11:05pm On Apr 19, 2015
kenonze:


Did u vote for GMB?
The ans is NO.
Why are u worried about his promises.
Na we vote am,
We no dey complain weda e do am or not.
What we are interested is simple.......
1: kill corruption
2: fix our roads and dying school system.

3: electricity

Every other thing shall fall in place.
We are nigeria.
We are not lazy.
He shld just give us the aforementioned, we gonna sort other things out

The way tinubu killed corruption and fix the road in lagos state for 16 years?

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:06pm On Apr 19, 2015
kaboninc:


Borrowing is not a bad thing. For the fact you borrowed some funds doesn't mean there was theft. Nigeria borrows because we do not have easily disposable assets (we're are cash strapped) but we do have valuable assets that can stand in for the borrowed cash.

Oby, biko, spend time learning.

When asked how he intends to lead the country in the face of dwindling revenue, GMB said the money recovered from corruption will be used to augment budget shortfalls. Yeah, its a good initiative but how much kwanu?
I never said borrowing was bad.
You will be amazed how much is stolen from this country, please Google UN reports on it
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by netotse(m): 11:06pm On Apr 19, 2015
stave9ja:
If you all say the calc is a lie... Where did the 20b$ get lost from

Guys there is money in this country

Guy, there are whole books on petroleum accounting, that should tell you it's not an open and shut thing...I'm waiting for the incoming govt to put this 20bn dollar issue to rest

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by garrix8: 11:06pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

Nigeria still gets the higher percentage?

Definitely. Between 45-60% usually. While the other 2-4 Partners share 40-55% depending on the terms of the PSC.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:06pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

I already factored 52percent for FG, read the final part of my post.
What are you talking about ? So, does it not occur to you that the Oil companies take over 40% of the petroleum product ? You they explore and drill for free ? Jesu Christu!
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Truckpusher(m): 11:06pm On Apr 19, 2015
AsherStorm:


u must be a bigger mórön for thinking this country isn't capable of delivering those things in buhari's manifesto ...
Why don't we have a bet and entrust it in the hands of a nairalander of your choice ? undecided

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Abok1(m): 11:07pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

I already factored 52percent for FG, read the final part of my post.




You shouldn't have responded to some juvenile making maledicent comments like someone suffering from lalochezia. Why would someone call a individual "silly" without recourse to decorum. Very sad.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by duni04(m): 11:08pm On Apr 19, 2015
kaboninc:


I never had any intention of commenting on nairaland tonight but your comment above made me puke! Damn! I felt some goose pimples and had to correct you.

The price of a barrel of crude is below 60USD, especially the Nigerian flavour. I thought you were complaining about the 'sudden' increase in naira-dollar exchange rate? Saying this government has failed to manage the economy? Now you're using it to validate your analogy (even when it is flawed). You're funny. I wonder what your definition of management is!

Oby, I beg you, please do not post such nonsense/rubbish and term it as fact again especially here in nairaland. Gosh, you're not talking to kids neither are we in the bear palour.

You're insulting our collective intelligence here. Biko!

For God's sake, the FIRS collects all revenues for the Federal Government and that includes the income generated from sales of crude oil. So where is the additional N4.69 trillion from FIRS coming from? Pluto?

In your analogy, you were so ignorant that you forgot to add the COST, EXPENSES incurred in lifting one barrel, processing it and subsequently selling it.

STOP posting rubbish here and labelling it as a FACT! Then again, isn't it amazing that you will spend about 20% - 25% of your national budget (1.8 trillion of 4.6 trillion) on direct consumption when there are urgent needs that require urgent attention? Still, I wonder what your definition of efficient management is! Maybe that's how your party, the APC intends to prune the cost of governance. So pathetic! I hope you know this year's budget is a budget of deficit? (or you don't know too?) Maybe you guys will print more money to execute your pipe project!

I beg you, STOP so that some lazy kids won't come here to pick these fractured information you post here and use it as a basis to argue.

Lastly, God gave us 2 eyes each and a wonderful reasoning component called the brain. Please let's use it.

Cheers.

Cc: anonimi
Her intention was to spark a debate and not to throw out anything as fact. If you disagree with anything she put out in her opening post, state it instead of beating around and contributing nothing to the debate.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by atlwireles: 11:09pm On Apr 19, 2015
Look at the numbers the OP threw out here, what awaits most of you is disappointment beyond believe. How most of you live in this country, yet you don't have a clue how your government functions financially is sickening. Keep creating revenues from the sky, like I said its now our turn to sit and have some fun. angry angry angry angry angry

OP based on your rosy projections, the current budget of 2015 for federal government and the 36 states is already in red ink. That's before you add BUhari new promises of trillions. I hope you people have a plan, because increasing taxes on the people is a non starter.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by ekolina(m): 11:09pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

If politicians still less, we have no business borrowing. Are you saying oil companies gets more than 40%? I have reliable information but i can't find a link for it due to secrecy.
. They get more than 40%. Just try to Google this Erha, bonga and see the % sharing
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:09pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:
Officially, Nigeria exports 2 million barrels of crude oil
daily. At the current price of 60 US dollars per barrel, that
translates into 120 million US dollars.

120 million x 365day = 43,800,000,000

43 billion dollars @ 60% ( rumoured sharing formula between Nigeria and oil companies)

That means Nigeria makes 25.8 billion dollars annually.

$25.8 billion x 200 naira = 5.1 trillion naira.


Nigeria's 2014 budget was N4.6 trillion meaning we still have about 0.5 trillion naira change.
www.channelstv.com/2014/04/09/nigerian-senate-passes-4-6-trillion-naira-2014-budget/


FEDERAL INLAND REVENUE

Nigeria generated N4.69tn Revenue in 2014

www.thisdaylive.com/articles/firs-generates-n4-69tn-revenue-in-2014/200484/

Adding N4.69 trillion (firs) + 5.1 trillion (crude oil) = 9.79 trillion.

If our budget was N4.6 trillion then we have a balance of 5.1 trillion naira that nobody accounts for.

Barcanista asked where we will find 1.8 trillion to take care of our most vulnerable citizens, this balance of 5.1 trillion will be taken away from the pockets of criminals and militants.

Seun
Lalasticlala
Ishilove
MizMyColi
MzJackBaueress.

EDIT.


I forgot the FG gets 52% of total income, even at that we have a balance of 0.6 trillion naira which is sufficient for the first stage of the social programs.
The APC government has said one of its major income earners is the mining industry.

This plans with financial discipline is very much achievable.

Please note that my analysis is based our major source of income ( oil and taxes), i have not touched other income earnings.
the social service progrmme is DOA with this your analysis without taking cognisance of other sectors of the economy

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by ChinemeOkpan: 11:10pm On Apr 19, 2015
Abok1:




He has forgotten so soon that its not business as usual with the oil companies. I can recall that there's a clause in the oil contracts which states that non-performing oil wells would be taken over by the FG, which means the oil company would have to prove beyond reasonable doubts that its oil block is performing, and that in itself is based on the premise that the revenue projections tally with the agreed benchmarks.

Its either you pay up or forfeit your oil block.


I was actually praying that APC supporters will not respond to his daft thread but I know Obiagelli couldnt sit down and watch him relay crap

These guys are really under estimating Buhari and I like it because his performance will be a shock to them.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Firefire(m): 11:11pm On Apr 19, 2015
Truckpusher:
Op have no single idea of what she's talking about.

If you set her before a babalawo and a magician right now the babalawo and the magician would be stunned about her figures .

She is talking trash and I won't waste my energy and time educating janjawiids.

Let them find out the hard way.


you be go like to dey go babalawo place ooooo grin grin grin grin


na joke I dey ooo. wink
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by AsherStorm(m): 11:11pm On Apr 19, 2015
Truckpusher:
Why don't we have a bet and entrust it in the hands of a nairalander of your choice ? undecided

lol...hahahahhahahahah
ure truly a big slowpoke

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