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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Yiwawo11: 11:11pm On Apr 19, 2015
MuguliciousMUGU:
Nonsense

go school, you won't go... You can see how buhari certificateless brain is affecting yours.

Just as they say, show me your friend and i will tell you who you are.

I rest my case.

We are watching the miracles...
Weather you like it or not, even if buhari have never ever heard any thing like school, he will be our president by 29 may.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:12pm On Apr 19, 2015
kaboninc:


Borrowing is not a bad thing. For the fact you borrowed some funds doesn't mean there was theft. Nigeria borrows because we do not have easily disposable assets (we're are cash strapped) but we do have valuable assets that can stand in for the borrowed cash.

Oby, biko, spend time learning.

When asked how he intends to lead the country in the face of dwindling revenue, GMB said the money recovered from corruption will be used to augment budget shortfalls. Yeah, its a good initiative but how much kwanu?

One question GMB and APC supporters haven't been able to answer is... the money to be recovered from corruption will start from which government? do we go back to 1985 and start probing from there, or do we start probing from Jonathan? Do we probe only PDP members?

For example, Saraki who is being probed for corruption is being angled for senate presidency, do we wish allegations against him away or do we recover from him as well? Hoping on recoveries from corruption to augment budget shortfalls isn't really wise but let's see how GMB will achieve this miracle

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by trillville(m): 11:12pm On Apr 19, 2015
bolanto24:



offshore or onshore doesn't matter cos it is in ND land n water

Who told you this lie?

Obasanjo was pressured to do something about the degradation of Niger delta land and decided to grant the region 13 percent derivation on all oil production for a period of time to ensure that the ND land is cleaned up and development occurs but the ND leaders have decided to eat all funds given to them so I think it is about time we revisit the onshore/offshore dichotomy issue.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by taharqa: 11:12pm On Apr 19, 2015
stave9ja:
If you all say the calc is a lie... Where did the 20b$ get lost from

Guys there is money in this country


Exactly!!!

That is what some of us have been wondering since we heard this news. Now, You tell us 'where did the $20b get lost from'??

IGNORAMUS

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:12pm On Apr 19, 2015
ekolina:
. They get more than 40%. Just try to Google this Erha, bonga and see the % sharing
Please provide a link, i will Google tomorrow though.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Truckpusher(m): 11:13pm On Apr 19, 2015
Firefire:



you be go like to dey go babalawo place ooooo grin grin grin grin


na joke I dey ooo. wink
Lmao.....
You go see abracadabra numbers for oby hands na.

Omo ! I no dey go church and I no dey enter babalawo I just dey my own .

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:13pm On Apr 19, 2015
Billyonaire:
What are you talking about ? So, does it not occur to you that the Oil companies take over 40% of the petroleum product ? You they explore and drill for free ? Jesu Christu!
Please post a link.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nazeeboy(m): 11:14pm On Apr 19, 2015
Scholes007:
tell me where 1.8tr can be sourced for a non sense social pledge for millions unemployed youths
you too tell me where did GEJ get the over 2tr naira he shared to PDP chieftains and ministers for his campaign, which you know by now he is demanding for the refund of that money. We are talking of over 2tr naira just for a campaign! You guys are here analysing the facts on ground of the sources of our income. Nigeria earns more than the trillions you are analysing here. There are just so many sources nigeria earns money that we don't know of and only God knows. So let's just keep our mouth shut and hope for the best from the incoming administration. If buhari really says 5k for each unemployed youth then he sure knows the reason why he says so because he has been in the system long enough to know what kind of money nigeria is generating anually. This old man has nothing to gain for him to tell us lies so that he becomes the president. You can all sense his desperation to right the wrongs of many of our past leaders including his own mistakes and make Nigeria great again. So at least give him space to be sworn in first.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:14pm On Apr 19, 2015
garrix8:


Definitely. Between 45-60% usually. While the other 2-4 Partners share 40-55% depending on the terms of the PSC.
I guess i am still in line with my projections
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by doctokwus: 11:15pm On Apr 19, 2015
Mykevp2p:


I have never doubt the social welfare program, my point was regarding to the issue of additional revenue gernation in terms of expandaing out tax net and revising the VAT.

About the issue of social welfare programs, this is just a replicate of what you have in Brazil (exactly wit the same conditions attached). The problem for me is the issue of identifying these poorest of the poor. GMB is just the president and cannot be everywhere. We have no functional national ID database.. It is difficult to determine who is even really a Nigerian let alone their level of income.
Yeah.Accurate data base has always been our Achilles heel.I found it amazing that even with d pvc at d last elections, election riggers could circumvent d system using even open faced fraudulent means.
But d fact is that our tax base just has to increase.Its curious that d colonialist and even our pre colonial institutions depended on rigorous enforcement of tax revenues to run regions and govt's, but in these modern times,we av more tax dodgers than payers.
VAT too has to go up,even if slightly.I would have suggested a sectorial,differing scale increase: luxury and non essential items could go up to 15-20% while consumer goods can be 7.5%
Leakages plugged
Mining and agriculture should see heavy investments.
Fuel subsidy should honestly go or be gradually phased out over a 4yr period.I would prefer outright stop because it would make prices to be competitive faster and heavy investment in refining industries which would ultimately even bring down domestic prices or at best keep them at current rates,sooner rather than later.
Something drastic must be done about d cost of running our governments at all levels,its damn draining on d economy.
Etc
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 11:15pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

I never said borrowing was bad.
You will be amazed how much is stolen from this country, please Google UN reports on it

Money is stolen but how much?

20 billion USD?

I think we should be realistic here. To fight a disease, let's identify the cause. The best way to fight any disease is by prevention. I hope you agree.
Secondly you sounded like borrowing was bad. That was why I said NO, it is not.

Then again, this debate, we ought to have had it before now, during the campaigns. Why bring it now? Prolly you guys rode to victory on the hope that when you get there, you'll spark up debates like this and our responses will shape your programmes?

Oby......

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by simongonner: 11:16pm On Apr 19, 2015
All this pdp people no wan accept defeat.. Buhari go clear una doubt #badbelleisallowed
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:17pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:
Officially, Nigeria exports 2 million barrels of crude oil
daily. At the current price of 60 US dollars per barrel, that
translates into 120 million US dollars.

120 million x 365day = 43,800,000,000

43 billion dollars @ 60% ( rumoured sharing formula between Nigeria and oil companies)

That means Nigeria makes 25.8 billion dollars annually.

$25.8 billion x 200 naira = 5.1 trillion naira.


Nigeria's 2014 budget was N4.6 trillion meaning we still have about 0.5 trillion naira change.
www.channelstv.com/2014/04/09/nigerian-senate-passes-4-6-trillion-naira-2014-budget/


FEDERAL INLAND REVENUE

Nigeria generated N4.69tn Revenue in 2014

www.thisdaylive.com/articles/firs-generates-n4-69tn-revenue-in-2014/200484/

Adding N4.69 trillion (firs) + 5.1 trillion (crude oil) = 9.79 trillion.

If our budget was N4.6 trillion then we have a balance of 5.1 trillion naira that nobody accounts for.

Barcanista asked where we will find 1.8 trillion to take care of our most vulnerable citizens, this balance of 5.1 trillion will be taken away from the pockets of criminals and militants.

Seun
Lalasticlala
Ishilove
MizMyColi
MzJackBaueress.

EDIT.


I forgot the FG gets 52% of total income, even at that we have a balance of 0.6 trillion naira which is sufficient for the first stage of the social programs.
The APC government has said one of its major income earners is the mining industry.

This plans with financial discipline is very much achievable.

Please note that my analysis is based our major source of income ( oil and taxes), i have not touched other income earnings.

Obiagelli, kudos for opening the eyes of these incorrigible TANoids.

Leave Barcanista to continue wallowing in his confusion & miscalculations; A lizard in the village can never be a crocodile in the city.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Firefire(m): 11:17pm On Apr 19, 2015
Truckpusher:
Lmao.....
You go see abracadabra numbers for oby hands na.

Omo ! I no dey go church and I no dey enter babalawo I just dey my own .

U better CHANGE and join a Living Church around you before it will be too late to CHANGE.

Oh ye poor in Nigeria, rejoice, Buhari is coming to feed your children will all the available resources in the country. Allahu Akbar!

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by nortcentrallord(m): 11:17pm On Apr 19, 2015
5.1 trillion naira from oil revenues and some fools beleive GEJ spent 2 trillion naira on campaigns while some more foolish once are calling 20 trillion naira.
Even form the analysis it seems a country's earning and spending is just simple mathematics of 1 + 1.
If you are ignorant, just accept it and learn from the right source. Truth is 97% of Nigerians don't know these things but time will definitely tell. Two years @ most then the true undeniable reality will set it.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by somegirl1: 11:17pm On Apr 19, 2015
Rather than feed pupils, the government should be more concerned with providing an enabling environment for businesses and employment ultimately, so that children can be fed their parents and guardians.
Many parents wouldn't want their children to eat food cooked by random strangers, in (very likely) unhygienic environments.
How do they plan to manage portions? or take into consideration, children's specific dietary requirements - food allergies, health issues?
Anyone with half a brain would know that this would be unnecessary and wasteful at this stage.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:18pm On Apr 19, 2015
Nazeeboy:
you too tell me where did GEJ get the over 2tr naira he shared to PDP chieftains and ministers for his campaign, which you know by now he is demanding for the refund of that money. We are talking of over 2tr naira just for a campaign! You guys are here analysing the facts on ground of the sources of our income. Nigeria earns more than the trillions you are analysing here. There are just so many sources nigeria earns money that we don't know of and only God knows. So let's just keep our mouth shut and hope for the best from the incoming administration. If buhari really says 5k for each unemployed youth then he sure knows the reason why he says so because he has been in the system long enough to know what kind of money nigeria is generating anually. This old man has nothing to gain for him to tell us lies so that he becomes the president. You can all sense his desperation to right the wrongs of many of our past leaders including his own mistakes and make Nigeria great again. So at least give him space to be sworn in first.
GOD BLESS YOU cheesy
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by ShowYourCertificate: 11:18pm On Apr 19, 2015
Misogynist2014:
How is your Jonathan in anyway different? He promised us uninterrupted power and security, yet he failed.
Jonathan is still better than Buhari and the entirety APC propaganda party. Quote me anywhere on this.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Abok1(m): 11:18pm On Apr 19, 2015
ChinemeOkpan:


I was actually praying that APC supporters will not respond to his daft thread but I know Obiagelli couldnt sit down and watch him relay crap

These guys are really under estimating Buhari and I like it because his performance will be a shock to them.







What some of TANoids have forgotten is that unlike their principal's cupidity and constant pandering towards cleptobiosis, the APC / GMB campaign is based on recommendations sourced from technocrats, from the branding to the infographics, to photography. Heck, the social media is handled by 2 seasoned PR companies, one in the US and the other in the UK, to have a glimpse check GMB's tweets about the Kenyan attacks and you would see how social media should be used in governance.

What they fail to realise is the fact that by defenestrating the wasteful orientation of the current dispensation, coupled with a dogged focus on improving the current economic situation, which includes security of lives and properties and improvement of the power generation, the income of the FG would naturally improve in proportion to resultant FDI (foreign direct investment).

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 11:20pm On Apr 19, 2015
Nazeeboy:
you too tell me where did GEJ get the over 2tr naira he shared to PDP chieftains and ministers for his campaign, which you know by now he is demanding for the refund of that money. We are talking of over 2tr naira just for a campaign! You guys are here analysing the facts on ground of the sources of our income..

It is people like this, very lazy and ignorant I was referring to, when I replied the opening post!

I think the mods should not only validate the source of a story but also the meaning of its content. This guy here is a scapegoat!

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:20pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

Please post a link.
Obiagelli, I am surprise you do not know this. Google Major Major Nigerian Oil Production Joint-Ventures
Operator
(% interest)

  Other
Partners
(% interest) NNPC
(% interest)  
Major Producing Fields
  Production
Barrels per Day
Shell (30%) TotalFinaElf (10%)
Agip (5%) 55% Bonny or Eastern Division - Nembe, Cawthorn Channel, Ekulama, Imo River, Kolo Creek, Adibawa and Etelelbou
Forcados or Western Division - Forcados Yorki, Jones Creek, Olomoro, Otumara, Sapele, Egwa and Odidi 950,000 (2003 Est.)
ExxonMobil (40%) None 60% Edop, Ubit, Oso, Unam and Asasa 500,000 (2003 Est.)
ChevronTexaco (40%)
  None 60% Meren, Okan, Benin River, Delta/Delta South, Inda, Meji and Robertkiri
Funiwa, Middelton, North Apoi, Pennington and Sengana 485,000 (2003 Est.)
Agip (20%) Phillips (20%) 60% Obama, Obiafu, M'Bede, Abgara and Oshi 150,000 (2003 Est.)
TotalFinaElf (40%) None 60% Obagi, Aghigo, Okpoko, Upomami, Afia and Obodo-Jatumi 150,000 (2003 Est.)

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Bayswater: 11:20pm On Apr 19, 2015
I won't even try to counter the oshodi economics obiagelli showcased above. The APC think-tanks know that our revenue this year won't be enough to finance the budget and other immediate needs hence we are looking at a budget of deficit (expenditure will exceed revenue). Therefore, it will be useless for us to start analyzing Oby's figures - it is meaningless to even talk about oil revenue as a source of financing our budget.

The top hierarchy of the APC knows the revenue to be made from from oil and other sources of revenue this year won't be enough to finance the 2015 budget hence the reason why they are planning to raise taxes and VAT by the middle of the year! That's a shocker right.

Just get ready to pay a VAT of between 10% - 15% and higher income taxes. I know some people will ask what this means.

It simply means the price of every item you buy in the market now will go up as traders will find a way of passing this additional tax to buyers (consumers).

Buhari did this same thing in 1984 and it failed, now he is doing it again. All welcome the new change!!! embarassed embarassed

barcanista, anonimi, truckpusher, firefire, onatisi

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 11:22pm On Apr 19, 2015
taharqa:


Exactly!!!

That is what some of us have been wondering since we heard this news. Now, You tell us 'where did the $20b get lost from'??

IGNORAMUS

Zenith Bank!!!

That's where the money is!

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by rebranded(m): 11:23pm On Apr 19, 2015
Out of the expected 5.1 trillion from oil only 60% goes to Nigeria..the other 40% i believe goes to the oil companies. That gives us on about 3.1 trillion

FIRS 4.7 trillion plus 3.1 trillion is only 7.8 trilion

If 52% goes to FG budget - thats only about 4 trillion naira for the year undecided

FG has only 4 trillion with the calculation above

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:23pm On Apr 19, 2015
Billyonaire:
Obiagelli, I am surprise you do not know this. Google Major Major Nigerian Oil Production Joint-Ventures
Operator
(% interest)

  Other
Partners
(% interest) NNPC
(% interest)  
Major Producing Fields
  Production
Barrels per Day
Shell (30%) TotalFinaElf (10%)
Agip (5%) 55% Bonny or Eastern Division - Nembe, Cawthorn Channel, Ekulama, Imo River, Kolo Creek, Adibawa and Etelelbou
Forcados or Western Division - Forcados Yorki, Jones Creek, Olomoro, Otumara, Sapele, Egwa and Odidi 950,000 (2003 Est.)
ExxonMobil (40%) None 60% Edop, Ubit, Oso, Unam and Asasa 500,000 (2003 Est.)
ChevronTexaco (40%)
  None 60% Meren, Okan, Benin River, Delta/Delta South, Inda, Meji and Robertkiri
Funiwa, Middelton, North Apoi, Pennington and Sengana 485,000 (2003 Est.)
Agip (20%) Phillips (20%) 60% Obama, Obiafu, M'Bede, Abgara and Oshi 150,000 (2003 Est.)
TotalFinaElf (40%) None 60% Obagi, Aghigo, Okpoko, Upomami, Afia and Obodo-Jatumi 150,000 (2003 Est.)
Except i don't know i to interpret your figures, all i see here is 40%
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by atlwireles: 11:23pm On Apr 19, 2015
nortcentrallord:
5.1 trillion naira from oil revenues and some fools beleive GEJ spent 2 trillion naira on campaigns while some more foolish once are calling 20 trillion naira.
Even form the analysis it seems a country's earning and spending is just simple mathematics of 1 + 1.
If you are ignorant, just accept it and learn from the right source. Truth is 97% of Nigerians don't know these things but time will definitely tell. Two years @ most then the true undeniable reality will set it.


That's why many of them will die of suffering/shock in the next 4 years. Because the free money they think Jonathan is eating and hiding never was. Reality will hit them like a raging storm.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by garrix8: 11:23pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

I guess i am still in line with my projections

From a fields Production, the State takes:

1. Royalty

2. Petroleum Profit Tax

3. It's share of the profit oil

The IOCs take

1. Cost oil (to defray expenses incurred during Field Development)

2. Their share of the profit oil.

[img]http://www.ccop.or.th/epf/cambodia/images/cam01.gif[/img]

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by tsdarkside(m): 11:23pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:
Officially, Nigeria exports 2 million barrels of crude oil
daily. At the current price of 60 US dollars per barrel, that
translates into 120 million US dollars.

120 million x 365day = 43,800,000,000

43 billion dollars @ 60% ( rumoured sharing formula between Nigeria and oil companies)

That means Nigeria makes 25.8 billion dollars annually.

$25.8 billion x 200 naira = 5.1 trillion naira.


Nigeria's 2014 budget was N4.6 trillion meaning we still have about 0.5 trillion naira change.
www.channelstv.com/2014/04/09/nigerian-senate-passes-4-6-trillion-naira-2014-budget/


FEDERAL INLAND REVENUE

Nigeria generated N4.69tn Revenue in 2014

www.thisdaylive.com/articles/firs-generates-n4-69tn-revenue-in-2014/200484/

Adding N4.69 trillion (firs) + 5.1 trillion (crude oil) = 9.79 trillion.

If our budget was N4.6 trillion then we have a balance of 5.1 trillion naira that nobody accounts for.

Barcanista asked where we will find 1.8 trillion to take care of our most vulnerable citizens, this balance of 5.1 trillion will be taken away from the pockets of criminals and militants.

Seun
Lalasticlala
Ishilove
MizMyColi
MzJackBaueress.

EDIT.


I forgot the FG gets 52% of total income, even at that we have a balance of 0.6 trillion naira which is sufficient for the first stage of the social programs.
The APC government has said one of its major income earners is the mining industry.

This plans with financial discipline is very much achievable.

Please note that my analysis is based our major source of income ( oil and taxes), i have not touched other income earnings.

is better you people listen to Obiagelli...he understand economics,,,,,excellent calculations,,,
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:26pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

Except i don't know i to interpret your figures, all i see here is 40%

That's what I am talking about; Read more there;

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/07/shell-nigeria-csr-corporate-social-responsibility/

http://www.nipc.gov.ng/oil&gaspage.html

Then recalculate what is accruing to NIGERIA; Re-base your calculations on current exchange rate not 200 naira. Factor in the Distribution of the Net based on Revenue Allocation Formula as a function of distribution to States and Local Government. Factor in teh Debt Management at current interest rate, also set aside funds as you like for External Reserves, excess crude Account, Subsidy, and do not forget to budget for emergency needs of the military if North decides to keep sponsoring terrorism and also the Fluctuation Marginal Difference from possible inflation.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 11:27pm On Apr 19, 2015
duni04:

Her intention was to spark a debate and not to throw out anything as fact. If you disagree with anything she put out in her opening post, state it instead of beating around and contributing nothing to the debate.

Hmmmm

I don't think you properly read her opening post.

I also do not think you really understood my response to her.

So let me save my energy by IGNORING you!
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by bankylan: 11:27pm On Apr 19, 2015
The number one problem of Nigeria like any other African country is not corruption but knowledge gap as evidenced in this write up.. The world economy is a knowledge based one......If we can't tap into our creative abilities and create wealth, we won't witness any change ......I am looking for that President who will govern Nigeria without oil.........
With comments written on social media...u can predict the future of Nigeria. It is bleak! But not for anyone who is taking his destiny in his own hand.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by olumide4christ: 11:28pm On Apr 19, 2015
Nazeeboy:
you too tell me where did GEJ get the over 2tr naira he shared to PDP chieftains and ministers for his campaign, which you know by now he is demanding for the refund of that money. We are talking of over 2tr naira just for a campaign! You guys are here analysing the facts on ground of the sources of our income. Nigeria earns more than the trillions you are analysing here. There are just so many sources nigeria earns money that we don't know of and only God knows. So let's just keep our mouth shut and hope for the best from the incoming administration. If buhari really says 5k for each unemployed youth then he sure knows the reason why he says so because he has been in the system long enough to know what kind of money nigeria is generating anually. This old man has nothing to gain for him to tell us lies so that he becomes the president. You can all sense his desperation to right the wrongs of many of our past leaders including his own mistakes and make Nigeria great again. So at least give him space to be sworn in first.

True talk, Nazeeboy!! When I see all these enemies of progress on nairaland, I feel like weeping for Nigeria because some Nigerians dont want the country to move forward simply because their candidate lost.
I tell you - all the haters of Buhari on Nairaland will be disappointed if God uses Buhari to make things better in Nigeria and will rejoice if things don't go well under Buhari.

Why can't all Nigerians come together and be hopeful for a better Nigeria, irrespective of whoever is in power?? If Nigeria becomes better, it will favour us and our future generations. Some Nigerians only want Nigeria to progress under the leadership of their own candidate or brother or kinsman! SO DISAPPOINTING!

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