tintingz:
Some women are ready to become the breadwinner of their home just to make the marriage work till the hubby get a good earning.

And if he doesn't? Is it all hardworking people that become rich and comfortable? The problems will start when wifey has lost all hope in the man ever making it, this is generalistic, but is true more time than not.

Timbuktou:
Lol, MBJ, nice to talk to you again. However, you conflate my opinion on this issue.

nice to talk to you again too, bro

While it is idealistic to think that women do not consider monetary gains or, at the very least, material comfort in a marriage relationship, it is unrealistic. And while a mank4 finances should not be the only thing that should attract a woman, it is a factor women do not normally overlook. A woman not marrying a moneyed man would have some guarantee that said man has "potential"-promise of wealth or, at least, some acceptable degree of comfort.

if a woman is willing to overlook me as a person because "we" (her and I) are less fortunate then there is a serious problem here. a lady that will automatically value a man with a Porsche, while overlooking me because i arrive on the bus, then i am sorry but she is a liability, and possibly the reason why so many are miserable in their lives.

each and every men out there have potential/promise of wealth, and therefore nobody should be excluded here, as for comfort i completely disagree that this should be something to value before marrying someone. again, you can wait (together) til its better while keep on dating, but overlooking a man because he aint got a house, where this lady can put her feet up, is wrong. all what you wrote above can be attained while growing as a couple, sadly the "less fortunate" societies of today teaches people that they are less than nothing, and that they will only be somebody when they have a car/house (aka riches), and therefore these people dont value happiness, dont value life, they instead value Louboutin, Iphone6 and Brazilian hair. I dont know about you but i NEVER want to end up with such a mentally broken person.

I don't know if you know this, MBJ, but men and women do not love in the same way, and they definitely do not set the same criteria for one to be considered a worthy partner/spouse.How many women, for example, would marry a jobless man compared to the billions of men who marry unemployed/unemployable women every second worldwide. Men believe in the love fantasy, women don't.

the problem is not what women desire, we (men) shouldnt care about that, the problem is these men who knowingly go into r/ships with these women whose sole aim in life is to find someone that will lift them out of poverty. thats like putting a hole in your boat, you are doom from the onset.

Women are more pragmatic when choosing mates. This is a fact of life. A woman's bank balance has extremely little impressive value for a man, the same could not be said if roles were reversed. Do you know the proportion of post job loss divorces worldwide, married men job losses, that is? It's funny and sick at the same time, man.

this is exactly what i wrote earlier, irresponsible women who will leave you when you encounter struggles in your life. NOBODY wants such a liability in their life, and therefore men should be extremely wary of such animals and shouldnt settle for them.

MBJ, I'm not encouraging gold-digging, on the contrary, I'm espousing that men rise above the prevalent narrative about an idealistic concept of love and be as pragmatic as women during the mate selection process. Men want a woman who will gladly drink garri if the pounded yam doesn't come for ever, but how realistic is that? Women could promise to stick by their men for better or worse but man, reality tells different. And millions of men have found this out the hard and bitter way.

wait a minute, first you tell young men of today to make money bal bla bla, yet now you say that men should be as pragmatic as women during mate selection. sorry but if you believe that you should "make money" in order to attract women, then you are already falling into the trap that these women are setting, by brainwashing these men and telling them that without money they cant get a good women (which is what all the golddigging criminals want you to believe).

this is life and the reality is that you do not need all the promises in the world from a woman, if you start down and find a good woman who will value you THEN and THERE , then thats all a good man needs. thats a sure and simple way to assure yourself that this woman is by your side because of YOU. now, if this lady did not value you when you were down but suddenly does when you make it in life, then something is definitely WRONG HERE and she should be avoided like the plague. as for the man already with wealth, he must be twice as much careful about the mindset of the women he meets.

a woman should be happy by your side eating garri, if you make it out of life then you guys will be happiER, and if you dont then you will remain happy. the problem is when people's happiness in life depends on your riches. what kind of monster is this that will either be miserable or happy depending on how much you got?!

Timbuktou:


And if he doesn't? Is it all hardworking people that become rich and comfortable? The problems will start when wifey has lost all hope in the man ever making it, this is generalistic, but is true more time than not.

A man should at least work and be comfortable not a most to be rich like dangote or adenuga.

Not all women lost hope in a marriage with a poor husband, my mum didn't lost hope when my dad was broke, she knows the man is working hard to carter for the family.

Don't make it generalistic.

EfemenaXY:


You shouldn't ask questions if you can't answer them.

Abi? So take your own advice and go use google to answer the question you asked me rather than talking off point without recourse to the topic in discussion.

Your attempt to correct my use of English got me laughing....

How pathetic. Please use your dictionary properly next time, before attempting to correct what you don't know.

MRBrownJ:


nice to talk to you again too, bro



if a woman is willing to overlook me as a person because "we" (her and I) are less fortunate then there is a serious problem here. a lady that will automatically value a man with a Porsche, while overlooking me because i arrive on the bus, then i am sorry but she is a liability, and possibly the reason why so many are miserable in their lives.

She could or could not be a liability depending on a number of factors, namely she having her own money and not wanting to go lower than her own status for a mate. And yes, there are millions of miserable women who prioritise cost over value. Whether or not it's a problem is not the issue here, the issue is that's the reality of the dating/marriage dynamic. As they say, "no finance, no romance"

MBJ: each and every men out there have potential/promise of wealth, and therefore nobody should be excluded here, as for comfort i completely disagree that this should be something to value before marrying someone. again, you can wait (together) til its better while keep on dating, but overlooking a man because he aint got a house, where this lady can put her feet up, is wrong. all what you wrote above can be attained while growing as a couple, sadly the "less fortunate" societies of today teaches people that they are less than nothing, and that they will only be somebody when they have a car/house (aka riches), and therefore these people dont value happiness, dont value life, they instead value Louboutin, Iphone6 and Brazilian hair. I dont know about you but i NEVER want to end up with such a mentally broken person.

I haven't said it is proper to consider comfort a major criterion for getting married, but we do realise that that's the norm today. I don't support it, but I won't whinge about it. I might try to educate people about the proper way to do things but, I have to be prepared myself. If women will only deal with me based on the width of my wallet, I have to have certain tough requirements as well, or stay unmarried.

MBJ: the problem is not what women desire, we (men) shouldnt care about that, the problem is these men who knowingly go into r/ships with these women whose sole aim in life is to find someone that will lift them out of poverty. thats like putting a hole in your boat, you are doom from the onset.

While there are millions of women looking for a ticket out of poverty through marriage, there also just as many who do have something going on for them and who just want to marry a well off individual for the sake of "insurance". Every man should take responsibility for allowing himself be scammed by someone who's only in it for the money.

MBJ: this is exactly what i wrote earlier, irresponsible women who will leave you when you encounter struggles in your life. NOBODY wants such a liability in their life, and therefore men should be extremely wary of such animals and shouldnt settle for them.

True that. However, a dissolution or divorce isn't the only indicator of a marriage gone bad. I've heard of homes where spouses haven't talked to each other in years and still live in the same house and sleep in the same bed. A golddigger is generally easy to spot if one is discerning. The problem lies in the women with covert agendas.

MBJ: wait a minute, first you tell young men of today to make money bal bla bla, yet now you say that men should be as pragmatic as women during mate selection. sorry but if you believe that you should "make money" in order to attract women, then you are already falling into the trap that these women are setting, by brainwashing these men and telling them that without money they cant get a good women (which is what all the golddigging criminals want you to believe).

I don't need money to attract women. However, there exist women who will be attracted to nothing but money. While I wouldn't advise men to marry such, it does feel good being able to shag whoever you want, isn't it? Any woman who one needs money to attract isn't marriage material for that person. There are all sorts of romantic relationships, after all, aren't there?

MBJ: this is life and the reality is that you do not need all the promises in the world from a woman, if you start down and find a good woman who will value you THEN and THERE , then thats all a good man needs. thats a sure and simple way to assure yourself that this woman is by your side because of YOU. now, if this lady did not value you when you were down but suddenly does when you make it in life, then something is definitely WRONG HERE and she should be avoided like the plague. as for the man already with wealth, he must be twice as much careful about the mindset of the women he meets.

Knowing women, bruv, I'd say you really don't know women till you're short on value, say after a job loss or something like an accident that renders one disable. Then, you'll know how much she really loves you. It's easy to be all lovey-dovey when you have a low-paying job with promise of advancement. Or big dreams that seem like they can be fulfilled. A woman's true love is shown when the man is all but hopeless.

MBJ: a woman should be happy by your side eating garri, if you make it out of life then you guys will be happiER, and if you dont then you will remain happy. the problem is when people's happiness in life depends on your riches. what kind of monster is that that will either miserable or happy depending on how much you got?!

Key word being 'should', but will she? That's a pertinent question among today's breed of women. Which woman today would be glad to drink garri or better still wouldn't feel some type of way raking in the bigger bucks?


The crux of my pragmatism angle: women are on the lookout for a certain quality and I think that men shouldn't be fooled by what they idealise love to be. They'd be the only ones playing by those rules, the rules of the game have changed. So, you can wing it and have kids on the side or you can find that 'unique' woman or you can just decide to be the maga. I'll be no maga for sure, but I'll be getting that money.

Timbuktou:


Are you married, sir?

You know what? Scratch that.

Why does it give you great and extreme pleasure to provide for your family? Do you think women find great and extreme pleasure from providing for their families or from finding a man like you? At best, her finances are backup.

Bros I perfectly understand your angle,

We all know what obtains in the society at large, but that doesn't mean it is justified.

I like what someone said

"A responsible woman is not materialistic, but she should pay attention to the material"
If I am to inteprete that comment, I would say, a responsible woman, while not focused on the presence or absence of wealth, does not ignore the presence or lack of potential in a man. That's my humble opinion.

tintingz:
A man should at least work and be comfortable not a most to be rich like dangote or adenuga.

Not all women lost hope in a marriage with a poor husband, my mum didn't lost hope when my dad was broke, she knows the man is working hard to carter for the family.

Don't make it generalistic.

Not all men could achieve that level of wealth anyway.

Abeg, that era has been fossilised. They don't make em like our mothers no more bruv.

Good luck finding a unique one, sir.

Kingsleyinfo:

Bros I perfectly understand your angle,

We all know what obtains in the society at large, but that doesn't mean it is justified.

I like what someone said

"A responsible woman is not materialistic, but she should pay attention to the material"
If I am to interpret that comment, I would say, a responsible woman, while not focused on the presence or absence of wealth, does not ignore the presence or lack of potential in a man. That's my humble opinion.

Not justified, yet, that's what we have to work with isn't it?

Nice quote there by Mutter.

Timbuktou:


Not justified, yet, that's what we have to work with isn't it?

Nice quote there by Mutter.

Am afraid so.

The trick lies in a man knowing his worth, and not letting his lack or abundance of wealth cloud his reasoning.

MBJ is only picking the holes in the idealogy of modern women, like the one in the topic.

Then again the bucks lies with us men to make better choices, just like you have pointed out.

Thanks for your contribution

Kingsleyinfo:

Your attempt to correct my use of English got me laughing....

How pathetic. Please use your dictionary properly next time, before attempting to correct what you don't know.

The only pathetic thing here are your posts. Indulging you is a complete waste of time as very obvious sarcasm flies past you.

#Boring thread unfollowed#

Timbuktou:


She could or could not be a liability depending on a number of factors, namely she having her own money and not wanting to go lower than her own status for a mate. And yes, there are millions of miserable women who prioritise cost over value. Whether or not it's a problem is not the issue here, the issue is that's the reality of the dating/marriage dynamic. As they say, "no finance, no romance"


I haven't said it is proper to consider comfort a major criterion for getting married, but we do realise that that's the norm today. I don't support it, but I won't whinge about it. I might try to educate people about the proper way to do things but, I have to be prepared myself. If women will only deal with me based on the width of my wallet, I have to have certain tough requirements as well, or stay unmarried.





While there are millions of women looking for a ticket out of poverty through marriage, there also just as many who do have something going on for them and who just want to marry a well off individual for the sake of "insurance". Every man should take responsibility for allowing himself be scammed by someone who's only in it for the money.





True that. However, a dissolution or divorce isn't the only indicator of a marriage gone bad. I've heard of homes where spouses haven't talked to each other in years and still live in the same house and sleep in the same bed. A golddigger is generally easy to spot if one is discerning. The problem lies in the women with covert agendas.





I don't need money to attract women. However, there exist women who will be attracted to nothing but money. While I wouldn't advise men to marry such, it does feel good being able to shag whoever you want, isn't it? Any woman who one needs money to attract isn't marriage material for that person. There are all sorts of romantic relationships, after all, aren't there?


Knowing women, bruv, I'd say you really don't know women till you're short on value, say after a job loss or something like an accident that renders one disable. Then, you'll know how much she really loves you. It's easy to be all lovey-dovey when you have a low-paying job with promise of advancement. Or big dreams that seem like they can be fulfilled. A woman's true love is shown when the man is all but hopeless.


Key word being 'should', but will she? That's a pertinent question among today's breed of women. Which woman today would be glad to drink garri or better still wouldn't feel some type of way raking in the bigger bucks?


The crux of my pragmatism angle: women are on the lookout for a certain quality and I think that men shouldn't be fooled by what they idealise love to be. They'd be the only ones playing by those rules, the rules of the game have changed. So, you can wing it and have kids on the side or you can find that 'unique' woman or you can just decide to be the maga. I'll be no maga for sure, but I'll be getting that money.

Someone is feeling like a wise man......

NOT!

Timbuktou:


Are you married, sir?

You know what? Scratch that.

Why does it give you great and extreme pleasure to provide for your family? Do you think women find great and extreme pleasure from providing for their families or from finding a man like you? At best, her finances are backup.

Ermmm

Are you married?

EfemenaXY:
Threads like this give reason for bone idle, lazy guys to never see the need to get up and hustle.

You'll see them on Nland all day and all night present in every fight and roaming about like monitoring spirits, even while lazing on their backsides for days without bothering to have a wash, browsing online with topped up credit from mum, dad, uncle, and aunty...

..Right on the money sis ..

..They will surely invade this thread with their usual tantrums ..no be today

Kingsleyinfo:
Okay I came accross this picture with this caption

"If you don't attain a certain level of success, responsible women can't fall inlove with you
It's not that they are materialistic or they love money..... It's because they are too responsible
to walk into poverty with their eyes open."

Guys do you agree, and if not then why?

Ladies how true is this statement

Everyone, where do you draw the line between responsibility and materialism?

I used to feel angry by such dispensations exhibited by certain women pertaining to issues of money but factually, we can't blame them. Personally for me, I don't want my kids to suffer and it will be a crime, in my own world, to bring any child without the financial muscles to withstand whatever life throws at me in course of nursing them.

There are lots of bills to be paid. But what I wouldn't want is for a woman to just sit back and expect everything from me without helping in any little way. After all, a lot of women now claim feminism, obviously want to play the role of man in certain spheres. Therefore, assisting with finances shouldn't be an exception to that clause.

I think with a woman of understanding, it is achievable. Sadly, many women do not understand the power they wield as wives who believe in their husband against all odds and encourage him even when his faith isn't strong enough to surmount unforeseeable problems.

You just have to do what you got to do to attain certain level of success.

The term ‘materialistic' is definitive

A woman wants security so she marries a rich guy and a man who desires a curvy woman and therefore marries one are BOTH materialistic.

If the man can be tagged responsible despite his flimsy reason for choosing a partner so can a woman who marries a man for his money.

Men desire women who would marry them for who they are yet they are so picky with what physical attributes she must possess.

We are no different afterall. We are nothing but selfish and hypocritical beings.

Someone is really eager for a beat-down

ideology come here...

Kingsleyinfo:

Well I certainly agree with you that most pretty ladies have been misled by their beauty, and are currently 'eating the bread of sorrow'

Beauty is vain if you ask me, but still I will prefer a beautiful lady to an ugly one. #Fact

Beauty without brain does not in any way move move, even if that lady is at beautiful as Genevieve Nnaji, Omotola et al, and all she does it watch nollywood and Kim Kardarshian. Except she has something to bring to the table.

Kingsleyinfo:

Am afraid so.

The trick lies in a man knowing his worth, and not letting his lack or abundance of wealth cloud his reasoning.

MBJ is only picking the holes in the idealogy of modern women, like the one in the topic.

Then again the bucks lies with us men to make better choices, just like you have pointed out.

Thanks for your contribution

No problemo, hombre

Justfollowit:


Ermmm

Are you married?

Use your brain before you quote me please. That stewpid comment you just made would be irrelevant if you understood what I wrote. If you don't, seek help elsewhere. Come back when the noodles in your brain have been replaced with actual brain matter. Thanks, sweety

EfemenaXY:


The only pathetic thing here are your posts. Indulging you is a complete waste of time as very obvious sarcasm flies past you.

#Boring thread unfollowed#

Busted

brotha Timbuktou
even a woman with money should value a man without any, whats good for the goose is good for the gander, but as i have said countless times here on NL, the "no romance without finance" mindset has got to GO!!!!! and only we men can get rid of it.
listen, there are gazillions of women out there that are throwing totos at us like frisbees, yet we still have so many desperate men out there who will gladly lower themselves to satisfy these criminals called GDs. the mind of these women (along with the society that breeds them) is the problem here and only us (men) can fix it. if they get turned down over and over again, i assure you that there will eventually be romance without finance, as it should be.

what is the norm, really? do you think it is normal for a woman to value you as a prospect for marriage, depending on whether you have a fat wallet or not? that is these broke aasss women's norm, in order to find a quick and easy way out of their miserable lives. we (men) have to rise up and bring OUR norms to the table, and if you dont get toto to mount because of that, then go see ashewos for relief, lol!

if women dont want to deal with you because of your wallet size then you should not make any adjustments whatsoever in your life, and instead, you should seek to associate with better people in your life.

having money is not a "quality" that women should seek in men, and if they are, then these women are liabilities. here are the QUALITIES that the responsible women should seek:
- LOVE
- RESPECT
- TRUST
- INTEGRITY
- MORALS
- CLASS
- MANNERS
- COMMON SENSE
- CHARACTER
- PATIENCE

with all the above in hand, you cannot fail in life/love!

2sex:
Beauty without brain does not in any way move move, even if that lady is at beautiful as Genevieve Nnaji, Omotola et al, and all she does it watch nollywood and Kim Kardarshian. Except she has something to bring to the table.

I totally agree, that's why I said beauty is a vain thing. On the other hand when it comes to preference, my default setting will be the beautiful lady, it is now left for me to re-adjust that default setting, by bringing into play the brain aspect before making a choice.

That is what I aslo expect from a responsible woman. She should consider all factors first, the moment money or finance for whatever reason becomes the highest deciding factor, the probability of making mistakes is well over 90%.

On a personal note, na where u enter since

crackhaus:
Someone is really eager for a beat-down

Ahbeg nor beat pesin for here oh..... I nor fit seperate fight

MRBrownJ:
brotha Timbuktou
even a woman with money should value a man without any, whats good for the goose is good for the gander, but as i have said countless times here on NL, the "no romance without finance" mindset has got to GO!!!!! and only we men can get rid of it.
listen, there are gazillions of women out there that are throwing totos at us like frisbees, yet we still have so many desperate men out there who will gladly lower themselves to satisfy these criminals called GDs. the mind of these women (along with the society that breeds them) is the problem here and only us (men) can fix it. if they get turned down over and over again, i assure you that there will eventually be romance without finance, as it should be.

what is the norm, really? do you think it is normal for a woman to value you as a prospect for marriage, depending on whether you have a fat wallet or not? that is these broke aasss women's norm, in order to find a quick and easy way out of their miserable lives. we (men) have to rise up and bring OUR norms to the table, and if you dont get toto to mount because of that, then go see ashewos for relief, lol!

if women dont want to deal with you because of your wallet size then you should not make any adjustments whatsoever in your life, and instead, you should seek to associate with better people in your life.

having money is not a "quality" that women should seek in men, and if they are, then these women are liabilities. here are the QUALITIES that the responsible women should seek:
- LOVE
- RESPECT
- TRUST
- INTEGRITY
- MORALS
- CLASS
- MANNERS
- COMMON SENSE
- CHARACTER
- PATIENCE

with all the above in hand, you cannot fail in life/love!

Lol. I'm impressed at having such a basic conversation on nairaland of all places. Truth is most everything has been perverted to the point of revulsion.

I'm glad you raised the point of what is good for the goose being good for the gander, especially with all these self-acclaimed feminists littering the forum with their ideological BS. They want equality but a richer husband, who they can call a 'man'.

MRBrownJ:
brotha Timbuktou
even a woman with money should value a man without any, whats good for the goose is good for the gander, but as i have said countless times here on NL, the "no romance without finance" mindset has got to GO!!!!! and only we men can get rid of it.
listen, there are gazillions of women out there that are throwing totos at us like frisbees, yet we still have so many desperate men out there who will gladly lower themselves to satisfy these criminals called GDs. the mind of these women (along with the society that breeds them) is the problem here and only us (men) can fix it. if they get turned down over and over again, i assure you that there will eventually be romance without finance, as it should be.

having money is not a "quality" that women should seek in men, and if they are, then these women are liabilities. here are the QUALITIES that the responsible women should seek:
- LOVE
- RESPECT
- TRUST
- INTEGRITY
- MORALS
- CLASS
- MANNERS
- COMMON SENSE
- CHARACTER
- PATIENCE

with all the above in hand, you cannot fail in life/love!

Lol. I'm impressed at having such a basic conversation on nairaland of all places. Truth is most everything has been perverted to the point of revulsion.

I'm glad you raised the point of what is good for the goose being good for the gander, especially with all these self-acclaimed feminists littering the forum with their ideological BS. They want equality but a richer husband, who they can call a 'man'.

And while I agree that desperate men have messed up the game for the level-headed, we're at a point where the rules of engagement have effectively changed and it will take moneyed men to change the game as well as legislation. Truth is women will bangg bad boys and marry rich boys because rich boys have to make do with buying ass that bad boys get for free.

A rich bad boy knows the game, so he won't be fooled and they'd most likely avoid him except there's a really tangoble upside to it.

I look forward to the day where, you leave a union with wht you brought into or contributed to it, I assure you, that'd solve this dilemma by 80%

PS: How are your lovely daughters. Added a lion to the mix yet to ruffle the pride?

Kingsleyinfo:

Ahbeg nor beat pesin for here oh..... I nor fit seperate fight

LOL... not me.

Kingsleyinfo:

I totally agree, that's why I said beauty is a vain thing. On the other hand when it comes to preference, my default setting will be the beautiful lady, it is now left for me to re-adjust that default setting, by bringing into play the brain aspect before making a choice.

That is what I aslo expect from a responsible woman. She should consider all factors first, the moment money or finance for whatever reason becomes the highest deciding factor, the probability of making mistakes is well over 90%.

On a personal note, na where u enter since

Men, baba, just trying to find my bearing ni o. Been having lots of mental pressures to achieve certain things. I hope all clears before the year ends, even its just one that God has declared my name on.

Plus nairaland does not interest me much anymore.

Timbuktou:


Lol. I'm impressed at having such a basic conversation on nairaland of all places. Truth is most everything has been perverted to the point of revulsion.

I'm glad you raised the point of what is good for the goose being good for the gander, especially with all these self-acclaimed feminists littering the forum with their ideological BS. They want equality but a richer husband, who they can call a 'man'.

And while I agree that desperate men have messed up the game for the level-headed, we're at a point where the rules of engagement have effectively changed and it will take moneyed men to change the game as well as legislation. Truth is women will bangg bad boys and marry rich boys because rich boys have to make do with buying ass that bad boys get for free.

A rich bad boy knows the game, so he won't be fooled and they'd most likely avoid him except there's a really tangoble upside to it.

I look forward to the day where, you leave a union with wht you brought into or contributed to it, I assure you, that'd solve this dilemma by 80%

PS: How are your lovely daughters. Added a lion to the mix yet to ruffle the pride?

the revolution is on, and we have to let all these men know that their value does not lie in their wallet but rather in their MIND... and furthermore that WE rule this game, not the way around. therefore we should stop thinking with tittays and cootie cat in mind when accepting the proposal of these criminals.

sadly, there are too little rich bad boys out there, and too many poor fools who are willing to kill/rob etc, to get little money to impress these criminals.

PS: i already have 3 sons who protect their 3 sisters, the pride is secured.

MRBrownJ:


the revolution is on, and we have to let all these men know that their value does not lie in their wallet but rather in their MIND... and furthermore that WE rule this game, not the way around. therefore we should stop thinking with tittays and cootie cat in mind when accepting the proposal of these criminals.

sadly, there are too little rich bad boys out there, and too many poor fools who are willing to kill/rob etc, to get little money to impress these criminals.

PS: i already have 3 sons who protect their 3 sisters, the pride is secured.

Indeed, it is. I'm glad you're back on the Nairaland Men's Team. You could lend a voice to call out bvllshit and school us youngins on the appropriate path to follow. I see way too many manginas around in need of proper male mentoring and exposure to cold hard truths.

Yeah, true that. Reminds of a story, on here, of a guy who was caught robbing a clothes store to get his girlfriend valentine's day gifts. I was stumped. Musta been about three years ago. I'm sure if that fellow understood his value, that particular wouldn't even have seen him for days before/after valentine's. Now, he's in jail because of low self esteem. Too bad.

Lol @ three boys. You really do it big, don't you? Salut, comrade.