Abuamam:

Oremussanctus my lad. We missed you. How now?

Whoz oremus*sanctus?

SHARIAREPORTERS:

Whoz oremus*sanctus?

Lol. You dey hide? Don't worry. We won't tell all those APC people whom you promised that you would close your NL account if Buhari wins the election. Most of them will not come to religion section anyway. You might want to be careful of tola9ja and Rilwayne001 finding out that you broke your solemn promise though.

Abuamam:


Lol. You dey hide? Don't worry. We won't tell all those APC people whom you promised that you would close your NL account if Buhari wins the election. Most of them will not come to religion section anyway. You might want to be careful of tola9ja and Rilwayne001 finding out that you broke your solemn promise though.

My friend, don't use diversionary method to derail the thread. You follow everything posted here and couldn't say a word to refute the OP. Smh!

truthman2012:


My friend, don't use diversionary method to derail the thread. You follow everything posted here and couldn't say a word to refute the OP. Smh!

Since you claim you have achieved your aim, 'proved' your point and 'defeated' muslims, why the worry about derailing your thread again? You even went to the extent of posting this link all over NL, begging Muslims to come and comment.

Could it be that you lack confidence in the 'victory' claim?

Lol. Don't worry. You are a lightweight. No Muslim will waste time answering your hasty, shallow posts. So let me kuku greet our long-lost troll... oremussanctus.

^^
Gbam.

Abuamam:


Since you claim you have achieved your aim, 'proved' your point and 'defeated' muslims, why the worry about derailing your thread again? You even went to the extent of posting this link all over NL, begging Muslims to come and comment.

Could it be that you lack confidence in the 'victory' claim?

Lol. Don't worry. You are a lightweight. No Muslim will waste time answering your hasty, shallow posts. So let me kuku greet our long-lost troll... oremussanctus.

Smh!

If I have achieved my aim, what is wrong in achieving more?

As the Lord lives, allahh (satan) shall remain defeated permanently. The secret of the Devi shall not be hidden in Jesus name.

I will carry the thread to everywhere on the internet, to open peoples' eye to the falsehood of islam.

Lest Satan (allahh) should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices (2 Cor. 2:11).

truthman2012:


Smh!

If I have achieved my aim, what is wrong in achieving more?

As the Lord lives, allahh (satan) shall remain defeated permanently. The secret of the Devi shall not be hidden in Jesus name.

I will carry the thread to everywhere on the internet, to open peoples' eye to the falsehood of islam.

Lest Satan (allahh) should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices (2 Cor. 2:11).

Allah is High above all that someone as insignificant as you can say.

You my friend, are already a slave to Satan., you just don't know it yet. It is only when the 'holy spirit' tells you xtian 'mog' to impregnate other people's wives, or to drink petrol and eat grass, and police catch you that you start realising the nature of the spirit controlling you all along; and wailing that the devil made you do it. Tragic.

Abuamam:


Allah is High above all that someone as insignificant as you can say.

You my friend, are already a slave to Satan., you just don't know it yet. It is only when the 'holy spirit' tells you xtian 'mog' to impregnate other people's wives, or to drink petrol and eat grass, and police catch you that you start realising the nature of the spirit controlling you all along; and wailing that the devil made you do it. Tragic.

No wonder you keep talking and cannot refute the OP. Shameless!

truthman2012:


No wonder you keep talking and cannot refute the OP. Shameless!

I would have, if your op was a fresh topic and made sense.

Is it a fresh topic? Or has it been addressed about a dozen times already?

Abuamam:



I would have, if your op was a fresh topic and made sense.

Is it a fresh topic? Or has it been addressed about a dozen times already?

Lame excuse.

Give the link where you had once said something about it.

truthman2012:


Lame excuse.

Give the link where you had once said something about it.

I am not wasting my time. Answer as truthfully as a xtian can... have we discussed the issue of Abraham and the Kaaba before, on several occasions; or not?

Abuamam:



I am not wasting my time. Answer as truthfully as a xtian can... have we discussed the issue of Abraham and the Kaaba before, on several occasions; or not?

With that same hadith?

Prove you are not a LIAR.

Brethren, pls do more to pray for dis souls. Jesus died for them too you know? They know the truth but I can't act on it, because of the Apostasy law. Believe me, if the Apostasy is destroyed, all these Muslims, starting with the Sultan will embrase Christ. Satan has tried to copy from the original and lock them up in Islam with a threat of dead if they try to leave. They read the Bible, they know the true Jesus, but since they can't leave they pretend Islam is truth. Let's pray for the hold of Satan over them to be destroyed.

truthman2012:


With that same hadith?

Prove you are not a LIAR.

https://www.nairaland.com/2101868/quranic-evidence-abraham-ishmael-did

Was this your topic on NL or not?

Abuamam:


https://www.nairaland.com/2101868/quranic-evidence-abraham-ishmael-did

Was this your topic on NL or not?

the topic of this thread is about Abraham journey to Mecca whereas the one you paste was talking about building kabba.

Abuamam:


https://www.nairaland.com/2101868/quranic-evidence-abraham-ishmael-did

Was this your topic on NL or not?

Yes, but the hadith that explains the event clearly like in this thread was not there.

I couldn't see your refutal there. Rilwon otherwise known as Rilwayne001 and tartar tried to make some false defence by saying Abraham was not a warner but a prophet. Can you see that lame excuse?

What is the difference between a warner and a prophet? Yusuf Ali translation of the quran answers the question:

[Quran 34:44 YusufAli] But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent MESSENGERS to them before thee as WARNERS.

We can see that MESSENGERS are the same as WARNERS.

You can now see the extent your brothers can lie to defend islam. It is true that one has to lie to defend lies (islam).

What is next for you now?

malvisguy212:
the topic of this thread is about Abraham journey to Mecca whereas the one you paste was talking about building kabba.

Don't mind him my brother. He is only looking for where to hide as all of them are speechless. This time there is no lie to tell to cover up.

truthman2012:


Don't mind him my brother. He is only looking for where to hide as all of them are speechless. This time there is no lie to tell to cover up.

they are very good in derailing thread.

Truthman2012, whats your point exactly?. Why didn't you complete the whole story-line?. Besides, I believe i came across similar thread before. It was addressed. Sometimes you guys deserved to be ignored.

Empiree:
Truthman2012, whats your point exactly?. Why didn't you complete the whole story-line?. Besides, I believe i came across similar thread before. It was addressed. Sometimes you guys deserved to be ignored.

This is always your standard response whenever you want to avoid a topic: 'it was addressed or it had been addressed'. People have taken note of this your dodgy style.

truthman2012:


Yes, but the hadith that explains the event clearly like in this thread was not there.

I couldn't see your refutal there. Rilwon otherwise known as Rilwayne001 and tartar tried to make some false defence by saying Abraham was not a warner but a prophet. Can you see that lame excuse?

What is the difference between a warner and a prophet? Yusuf Ali translation of the quran answers the question:

[Quran 34:44 YusufAli] But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent MESSENGERS to them before thee as WARNERS.

We can see that MESSENGERS are the same as WARNERS.

You can now see the extent your brothers can lie to defend islam. It is true that one has to lie to defend lies (islam).

What is next for you now?

Now we are jumping to warners and messengers? Look I am not a monkey. I can't keep up with this your jumping all over NL wwith one thread-hundred topics. You are probably a full time tithe collector; I have other things doing. So you understand, I need to ration my responses on NL to topics that purport to make sense. Go beg someone else to come and help you justify your daily bread.

Now see, you've made me lose contact with oremussanctus. He is the truthfullest of you all.

"e author=Abuamam post=33261906]

Now we are jumping to warners and messengers? Look I am not a monkey. I can't keep up with this your jumping all over NL wwith one thread-hundred topics. You are probably a full time tithe collector; I have other things doing. So you understand, I need to ration my responses on NL to topics that purport to make sense. Go beg someone else to come and help you justify your daily bread.

Now see, you've made me lose contact with oremussanctus. He is the truthfullest of you all.[/quote]"

Defeated and running away! Bye.

true2god:
This is always your standard response whenever you want to avoid a topic: 'it was addressed or it had been addressed'. People have taken note of this your dodgy style.

Are you his mouth-piece?. If I want i can post the part he refused to paste. And if I did, i am sure he will still disbelieve anyways.

Yes, sometimes, you fellas are bunch of waste of time. Ibrahim and Ismail(peace be upon them) built Kaaba.

Empiree:
Are you his mouth-piece?. If I want i can post the part he refused to paste. And if I did, i am sure he will still disbelieve anyways.

Yes, sometimes, you fellas are bunch of waste of time. Ibrahim and Ismail(peace be upon them) built Kaaba.

Abraham built Kaaba when there are clear evidences that he went away from Mecca as soon as he got there and never looked back?

Abraham built Kaaba when the quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad?

Keep deceiving yourself.

Abuamam:


Oremussanctus my lad. We missed you. How now?

na jonathan defeat make am sick

sai buhari

iloveislam

truthman2012:
Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael Movement to Mecca

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was suckling him, to a place near the
Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. [/b]Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! [b]Where are you going,
leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy,
nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her.
Then she asked him: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes".[/b] She said: "Then He will not
neglect us." and she returned (to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.[/b]
On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him,Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer: so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14 :37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

The salient points here are:

1. Abraham led Hagai and her son, Ishmael to Mecca and went back to Israel by allahh's order without looking back.
At that time there was nobody, no building, nothing was on ground. Since Abraham left immediately without looking back by allah's order, how can it be justified that he stayed there to build Kaaba. He had to stay there to be able to build Kaaba because Ishmael who joined him in the building was still sucking at the time.

examining the bold

he faced mecca from the mountain any evidence to show that the mountain is in isreal


to know the fact search for that mountain name in arabic and u will know the truth



2. [qoute]Abraham could not have gone back to Mecca, having been ordered by allahh not to look back[/quote]. Not to look back in that present not ever

3. [

Quran confirms there was no messenger in Mecca prior to the coming of Muhammad: But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners ([Quran 34:44]). It means Abraham was a prophet (messenger), not in Arabia but Israel.

there was no prophect from mecca b4 muhammed(SAW) but were in mecca e.g abraham,ismael etc

POPdecorator:
na jonathan defeat make am sick

sai buhari

iloveislam

You will soon hate islam when you find yourself inside hell if you don't repent.

It has been proved that islam is idol worship and none of you could dispute that fact and all you have to say is that nonsense. I pity you.

truthman2012:


Abraham built Kaaba when there are clear evidences that he went away from Mecca as soon as he got there and never looked back?

Abraham built Kaaba when the quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad?

Keep deceiving yourself.

This is where you stopped.

"O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:

It's a long narration. It's up to you if you want to read it. I have highlighted key parts. Now read........


The Prophet added, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael's mother! Had she let the Zam-zam (flow without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zam-zam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth." The Prophet further added, "Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, 'Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people.' The House (i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child, as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kada'. They landed in the lower part of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, 'This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.' They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water)." The Prophet added, "Ishmael's mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, 'Do you allow us to stay with you?" She replied, 'Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.' They agreed to that." The Prophet further said, "Ishmael's mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.

After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

truthman2012:


Abraham built Kaaba when there are clear evidences that he went away from Mecca as soon as he got there and never looked back?

Abraham built Kaaba when the quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad?

Keep deceiving yourself.

Continue........

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.

[/color][/b]When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it." The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583)"

Empiree

Sahih Bukhari Volume 004, Book 055, Hadith Number 583.
Narated By Ibn Abbas : The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael's mother followed him saying, "O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.' (14.37) Ishmael's mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).

When the water in the water-skin had all been used up, she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty. She started looking at him (i.e. Ishmael) tossing in agony; She left him, for she could not endure looking at him, and found that the mountain of Safa was the nearest mountain to her on that land. She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from Safa and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble, till she crossed the valley and reached the Marwa mountain where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She repeated that (running between Safa and Marwa) seven times."

The Prophet said, "This is the source of the tradition of the walking of people between them (i.e. Safa and Marwa). When she reached the Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, 'O, (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?" And behold! She saw an angel at the place of Zam-zam, digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water was flowing out after she had scooped some of it."

The Prophet added, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael's mother! Had she let the Zam-zam (flow without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zam-zam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth." The Prophet further added, "Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, 'Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people.' The House (i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child, as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kada'. They landed in the lower part of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, 'This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.' They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water)." The Prophet added, "Ishmael's mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, 'Do you allow us to stay with you?" She replied, 'Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.' They agreed to that." The Prophet further said, "Ishmael's mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.

After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.' When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'

[b]Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it." The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127)
[/b]

Your pasting the full length of the hadith does not make any difference. In fact it proves the more that Abraham had no hands in the building of Kaaba.

Please study the bold: In the 2nd paragraph, Abraham talked about Kaaba The Sacred House at the time Ishmael was still being suckled. This was a time there was nothing, absolutely nothing on that land. How could Abraham talk about Kaaba on the land nothing was existing? If Kaaba was there already, it means he was not the builder.

The last paragraph (bold): Abraham talked about Ishmael helping him in the building Kaaba after he said it was was already there when Ishmael was still a baby. We are not told allahh spoke to Abraham to build Kaaba at that initial stage of their journey to Mecca.

Now tell me, at what time did Abraham built Kaaba, because according to this hadith, it was already in Mecca,the first time he settled Hagai there with her baby?

Again, quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad, how do you explain Abraham (a messenger) being in Mecca without running into contradiction?

What house of worship did he build for himself and his other children in Israel?

Remember it was God who approved the sending away of Ishmael and his mother from his house in Israel, why did He (God) suddenly become interested in them as to build a house of worship for them without a single house of worship for the favourite family?

truthman2012:


[size=2pt]Sahih Bukhari Volume 004, Book 055, Hadith Number 583.
Narated By Ibn Abbas : The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael's mother followed him saying, "O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.' (14.37) Ishmael's mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).

When the water in the water-skin had all been used up, she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty. She started looking at him (i.e. Ishmael) tossing in agony; She left him, for she could not endure looking at him, and found that the mountain of Safa was the nearest mountain to her on that land. She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from Safa and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble, till she crossed the valley and reached the Marwa mountain where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She repeated that (running between Safa and Marwa) seven times."

The Prophet said, "This is the source of the tradition of the walking of people between them (i.e. Safa and Marwa). When she reached the Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, 'O, (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?" And behold! She saw an angel at the place of Zam-zam, digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water was flowing out after she had scooped some of it."

The Prophet added, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael's mother! Had she let the Zam-zam (flow without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zam-zam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth." The Prophet further added, "Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, 'Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people.' The House (i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child, as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kada'. They landed in the lower part of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, 'This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.' They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water)." The Prophet added, "Ishmael's mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, 'Do you allow us to stay with you?" She replied, 'Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.' They agreed to that." The Prophet further said, "Ishmael's mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.

After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.' When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it."[/size] [b]The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127)
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Your pasting the full length of the hadith does not make any difference. In fact it proves the more that Abraham had no hands in the building of Kaaba.

Please study the bold: In the 2nd paragraph, Abraham talked about Kaaba The Sacred House at the time Ishmael was still being suckled. This was a time there was nothing, absolutely nothing on that land. How could Abraham talk about Kaaba on the land nothing was existing? If Kaaba was there already, it means he was not the builder.

The last paragraph (bold): Abraham talked about Ishmael helping him in the building Kaaba after he said it was was already there when Ishmael was still a baby. We are not told allahh spoke to Abraham to build Kaaba at that initial stage of their journey to Mecca.

Now tell me, at what time did Abraham built Kaaba, because according to this hadith, it was already in Mecca,the first time he settled Hagai there with her baby?

Again, quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad, how do you explain Abraham (a messenger) being in Mecca without running into contradiction?

What house of worship did he build for himself and his other children in Israel?

Remember it was God who approved the sending away of Ishmael and his mother from his house in Israel, why did He (God) suddenly become interested in them as to build a house of worship for them without a single house of worship for the favourite family?

Remove the moles from your eyes. The whole section I posted and that you re-pasted already answered everything. Remove bigotry and everything is all clear.

Paragraph you talked about was simply about location of the Kaaba. It was merely hillock as i posted earlier. Nothing was built. No house (Kaaba) was built at the time. It was like mountain in the area at that time. It means Abraham(AS) knew the location of the Kaaba where he and his son Ismail(AS) would later erect the building. The lengthy narration clearly indicates Abraham and Ismail built Kaaba. Very simple

Pay close attention to bolded-blue, who are 'they'?

Yusuf Ali: And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.(2:127)

"And when we assigned to Abraham the place of the House: ‘Do not associate with Me anything, and purify My House for those who circumambulate it, who stand in prayer, and who bow, and prostrate themselves (all in prayer).’ And proclaim the Pilgrimage (Hajj) among people, and they shall come to you on foot, and on every lean camel. They shall come to you from every deep and distant mountain highways." (Quran 22:26)

"And when We made the House (the Kaaba) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We took a covenant with Abraham and Ishmael that they should purify My House (the Kaaba) for those who compass it round, devote themselves (to worship) in it, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer)." (Quran 2:125)


"Indeed the first House (of worship) appointed for humanity is that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all the worlds. In it are Signs Manifest; (such as), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who have the ability." (Quran 22:26-27)


"And (remember) when Abraham said, "My Lord, make this city (Mecca) a place of security and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in God and the Last Day..." (Quran 2:126)


127 And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) and (his son) Isma'il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah), (saying), "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower."

128 Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our Manasik (all the ceremonies of pilgrimage - Hajjand 'Umrah), and accept our repentance. Truly, You are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.

129 Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allah answered their invocation by sending Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur'an) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood), and purify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."

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Paragraph you talked about was simply about location of the Kaaba. It was merely hillock as i posted earlier. Nothing was built. No house (Kaaba) was built at the time. It was like mountain in the area at that time. It means Abraham(AS) knew the location of the Kaaba where he and his son Ismail(AS) would later erect the building. The lengthy narration clearly indicates Abraham and Ismail built Kaaba. Very simple

Location of Kaaba? Who told Abraham it was the location of Kaaba? Has allahh spoken to him to build Kaaba at all?

The black stone is said to be thrown down from heaven to show where Kaaba was to be located. Had the black stone been sent down to the place for Abraham to know it was that place Kaaba was going to be built?

I'm trying to but I don't really know how to help you out of deception. I pray God will.

Yusuf Ali: And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.(2:127)

How is this possible? Initially, when Abraham is said to bring Ishmael and his mother to Mecca, Ismael was a baby and he left them without looking back on the order of allahh. [/b]Why would he come back again when Ishmael became grown up to build Kaaba?

Quran 2:125)"And when We made the House (the Kaaba) [b]a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We took a covenant with Abraham and Ishmael that they should purify My House (the Kaaba) for those who compass it round, devote themselves (to worship) in it, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer)."

"Indeed the first House (of worship) appointed for humanity is that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all the worlds. In it are Signs Manifest; (such as), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who have the ability." (Quran 22:26-27)

If Kaaba is a resort and sanctuary for mankind, why Isaac, Jacob, Moses and even Jesus did not come there? Remember, it is supposed to be for ALL MANKIND AND NOT FOR ARABS ALONE

129 Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allah answered their invocation by sending Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur'an) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood), and purify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."

So, you mean Abraham was not a messenger to the Arabs. Then, he was a messenger to which people?

If Abraham was not a messenger in Mecca, what was he doing there building Kaaba?

Again, after Abraham, there were so many prophets of God spanning over more than a thousand years from the descent of Abraham. You mean the Arabs were without guidance till the coming of Muhammad as they were not affected by all other prophets also from Abraham descent?

Why were the Arabs neglected for thousands of years after Abraham and were not covered by many prophets sent by God?

When the quran says there was not messenger sent to the Arabs and no book given to them, does that not shows Ishmael wasn't there? Or was Ishmael not a messenger?