sukkot:
if i google it will come up with millions of links. i cant remember the particular article because i have deleted it from my computer a year or two ago. so i have to hope the article is on the first three pages of google and then i have to sift through each article. i am not going to accomplish that in 5 minutes. its called RESEARCH. i will need about an hour to do this. hope that makes sense to you

bigfrancis21:


You can't be so sure about that. The spread of yoruba-derived religions deceive people to mean that the yoruba population must have been substantial, however, the total number of yorubas sold in slavery were not that many. Remember that the yorubas came from the bight of benin, and slaves sold from this bight included ewes (evegbe), fon, akan, adja, yorubas, etc, thus in actuality, the percentage of yorubas out of the numbers sold from bight of benin is quite small. More Akan people from Ghana were sold into slavery than the Yorubas. Not to forget hunderds of yorubas that later returned back to africa and settled in Nigeria and Sierra Leone, thus reducing the surviving population further in the new world. Now compare the yoruba figure with bight of biafra where only a few tribes were sold out from and the Igbos were the overwhelming majority. It is estimated that about 1.4 million Igbos were sold into slavery.

OneNaira6:


So your own research is different from the same research the rest of us did. Is it not the same google we all used to find links, books, etc we provided to you. Or do you think we scratched and pulled our yansh and those links, books, etc magically appeared on our computer, laptop, phone, etc. Nwoke, commot from here. Spin another story. My history teacher

moca:

@ big Francis, sorry for deviating but there was a time I pleaded with u over something and u totally ignored it.
I read ur history/background b4 reaching out but was ignored.
And thiat was an info u were very willing to give out to others.
I vex delete the post after two months of waiting.

Kedu Ka I di?

bigfrancis21:


Sorry my dear, which info was that please? I totally don't recall.

sukkot:
if i google it will come up with millions of links. i cant remember the particular article because i have deleted it from my computer a year or two ago. so i have to hope the article is on the first three pages of google and then i have to sift through each article. i am not going to accomplish that in 5 minutes. its called RESEARCH. i will need about an hour to do this. hope that makes sense to you

moca:

U won't cos it was last yr.
I married into ur place and I so much want to know d culture of ur people.
Even even know more than my hubby's people cos they hardly go home.
I saw where u xplained one or two things about ur culture and reached out.

I still want to know.
So I can teach my children.

If u can help, I will call u out one good day we r online.
I read almost all ur posts.
Highly intelligent and versatile.
And I bu nwoke tozuru etozu na mma.
Dalu

OneNaira6:

So your own research is different from the same research the rest of us did. Is it not the same google we all used to find links, books, etc we provided to you. Or do you think we scratched and pulled our yansh and those links, books, etc magically appeared on our computer, laptop, phone, etc. Nwoke, commot from here. Spin another story. Mr history teacher.
Btw: You were already given more than an hour. Since THE Last Time YOU Said "I have To Look IT up" . More than 2 hrs have passed

sukkot:
ok here is an excerpt from one of the articles



But female Igbo were valued as more emotionally stable than the men, and
hard workers. If we look closer at marketing patterns and other data, we see a
strikingly different image of the Igbo in various regions of the Americas. In
some places, they were especially prized. Colin Palmer’s study of the British
asiento slave trade to the Spanish Colonies (17?-1739) (ADD correct dates)
makes it clear that Spanish purchasers bought only prime Africans for whom
they paid the highest prices. Palmer wrote:,
“The Ibo . . .were considered tractable and hence were highly sought
after by some of the slaveholders in the Americas.”ii
Moreau de St-Mery wrote that while some St. Domingue planters
hesitated to buy Igbo slaves because of their suicidal tendencies, others
preferred them because they were very attached to each other


OK LETS GOOGLE THE WORD ' TRACTABLE '



tractable
[trak-tuh-buh l]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
easily managed or controlled; docile; yielding:
a tractable child; a tractable disposition.
2.
easily worked, shaped, or otherwise handled; malleable.


THERE GO DOCUMENTATION FOR YOU. I HAVENT FOUND THE ONE I AM LOOKING FOR YET THOUGH BUT I WILL KEEP SEARCHING

AkanIgbo:

Still no documentation from you. I have produced documents for you, now you need to produce some documents or else you are a clown.

sukkot:
ok here is an excerpt from one of the articles



But female Igbo were valued as more emotionally stable than the men, and
hard workers. If we look closer at marketing patterns and other data, we see a
strikingly different image of the Igbo in various regions of the Americas. In
some places, they were especially prized. Colin Palmer’s study of the British
asiento slave trade to the Spanish Colonies (17?-1739) (ADD correct dates)
makes it clear that Spanish purchasers bought only prime Africans for whom
they paid the highest prices. Palmer wrote:,
“The Ibo . . .were considered tractable and hence were highly sought
after by some of the slaveholders in the Americas.”ii
Moreau de St-Mery wrote that while some St. Domingue planters
hesitated to buy Igbo slaves because of their suicidal tendencies, others
preferred them because they were very attached to each other


OK LETS GOOGLE THE WORD ' TRACTABLE '



tractable
[trak-tuh-buh l]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
easily managed or controlled; docile; yielding:
a tractable child; a tractable disposition.
2.
easily worked, shaped, or otherwise handled; malleable.


THERE GO DOCUMENTATION FOR YOU. I HAVENT FOUND THE ONE I AM LOOKING FOR YET THOUGH BUT I WILL KEEP SEARCHING

bigfrancis21:


You can't be so sure about that. The spread of yoruba-derived religions deceive people to mean that the yoruba population must have been substantial, however, the total number of yorubas sold in slavery were not that many. Remember that the yorubas came from the bight of benin, and slaves sold from this bight included ewes (evegbe), fon, akan, adja, yorubas, etc, thus in actuality, [b]the percentage of yorubas out of the numbers sold from bight of benin is quite small. [/b]More Akan people from Ghana were sold into slavery than the Yorubas. Not to forget hunderds of yorubas that later returned back to africa and settled in Nigeria and Sierra Leone, thus reducing the surviving population further in the new world. Now compare the yoruba figure with bight of biafra where only a few tribes were sold out from and the Igbos were the overwhelming majority. It is estimated that about 1.4 million Igbos were sold into slavery.

Phut:

For real, though

sukkot:
ok here is an excerpt from one of the articles



But female Igbo were valued as more emotionally stable than the men, and
hard workers. If we look closer at marketing patterns and other data, we see a
strikingly different image of the Igbo in various regions of the Americas. In
some places, they were especially prized. Colin Palmer’s study of the British
asiento slave trade to the Spanish Colonies (17?-1739) (ADD correct dates)
makes it clear that Spanish purchasers bought only prime Africans for whom
they paid the highest prices. Palmer wrote:,
“The Ibo . . .were considered tractable and hence were highly sought
after by some of the slaveholders in the Americas.”ii
Moreau de St-Mery wrote that while some St. Domingue planters
hesitated to buy Igbo slaves because of their suicidal tendencies, others
preferred them because they were very attached to each other


OK LETS GOOGLE THE WORD ' TRACTABLE '



tractable
[trak-tuh-buh l]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
easily managed or controlled; docile; yielding:
a tractable child; a tractable disposition.
2.
easily worked, shaped, or otherwise handled; malleable.


THERE GO DOCUMENTATION FOR YOU. I HAVENT FOUND THE ONE I AM LOOKING FOR YET THOUGH BUT I WILL KEEP SEARCHING

bigfrancis21:


Thanks dear for the commendation. I appreciate it.

Oh I remember now. Honestly, time is a major factor against me. You know how life in the US is, always busy.

I can help you learn all that you need to learn, though my responses might not be too quick. Let us open a separate thread for that.

moca:


Oh! Thank u nwoke oma.
Anytime u r free,hola.
I'm mostly online for now so I will see it.
Will be reminding u every now and then.

I know u r very busy.
Jisie ike inugo?

bigfrancis21:


In your pathetically slow state, you 'smartly' overlooked the part in your purported article that mentions that the majority of the slaves taken from bight of biafra were Igbos. How many ejaghams were taken out of biafra in total? 10? Maybe 15? What is your current population to have sustained a huge constant suupply of ejagham slaves? You would rather turn around and lay your curse on Igbos for repeating what research and history has confirmed rather than tackle the researchers themselves who have the evidence.

And please do not fail to produce at least one afro-descended person whose DNA testing points to the ejagham tribe. And equally, tables detailing slave imports/exports by ethnicity and the numbers of ejaghams taken from bight of biafra. Let us see how substantial and numerous the ejaghams were to have been so pervasive in virginia to have been resonsible for the Nsibidi writings on the grave stones in Virginia.

AkanIgbo:


I don't think that that is true. I think that the Yoruba people were the largest group slaves next to the Bantu people from Angola and the Congo. I think that the Igbo people were the third largest group and the Akan 4th. I will look up the stats on that just to be sure, but there was a reason why the slaves were chosen to go to different places.

http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm
http://www.soundjunction.org/whereslavescamefrom.aspa

As an aside here is why the Igbos wouldn't have been the largest group enslaved:

"American plantations were dwarfed by those in the West Indies. About a quarter of U.S. slaves lived on farms with 15 or fewer slaves. In 1850, just 125 plantations had over 250 slaves."

http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/slavery-and-anti-slavery/resources/facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery
http://www.academia.edu/1221155/Slavery_Identity_and_Ethnicity_An_Examination_of_the_Social_Contour_of_the_Yoruba_in_Africa_and_in_the_Diaspora
http://yorubanation.net/atlantic-yoruba-and-the-expanding-frontiers-of-yoruba-culture-and-politics/

sukkot:
ok here is an excerpt from one of the articles



But female Igbo were valued as more emotionally stable than the men, and
hard workers. If we look closer at marketing patterns and other data, we see a
strikingly different image of the Igbo in various regions of the Americas. In
some places, they were especially prized. Colin Palmer’s study of the British
asiento slave trade to the Spanish Colonies (17?-1739) (ADD correct dates)
makes it clear that Spanish purchasers bought only prime Africans for whom
they paid the highest prices. Palmer wrote:,
“The Ibo . . .were considered tractable and hence were highly sought
after by some of the slaveholders in the Americas.”ii
Moreau de St-Mery wrote that while some St. Domingue planters
hesitated to buy Igbo slaves because of their suicidal tendencies, others
preferred them because they were very attached to each other


OK LETS GOOGLE THE WORD ' TRACTABLE '



tractable
[trak-tuh-buh l]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
easily managed or controlled; docile; yielding:
a tractable child; a tractable disposition.
2.
easily worked, shaped, or otherwise handled; malleable.


THERE GO DOCUMENTATION FOR YOU. I HAVENT FOUND THE ONE I AM LOOKING FOR YET THOUGH BUT I WILL KEEP SEARCHING

Phut:


Where is the link o?
And what you posted up there is rubbish and contradictory at best.

How can people be suicidal and tractable at the same time? Makes no dayim sense.
Also being attached to each other does not equal tractable.

bigfrancis21:


No bro. The Bight of Benin region was the second largest group in number exported, followed by the bight of biafra coming third. Now if you take a look at the figures of the individual tribes taken from the bight of benin, over 10 different tribes were sold ouut of the bight of benin, not just the yorubas. Akan people, a significant number in the slave trade, came from that region. Also, the Ewe, the Fon, Barba, Nupes etc. The yorubas are estimated to be 26.3% of all slaves coming from that region. The total individual figures of tens of tribes sold from bight of benin made the total figure coming from bight of benin high. Compare this scenario with Bight of Biafra where very few major tribes were taken(Igbo, Ibibio, Ijaw) and Igbos were the overwhelming majority. Comparing individual tribal figures, not by bights, the Igbo figure trumps that of the Yorubas.

For example, below is a list of bights and ethnicities taken from each bight in Saint Dominigue. While bight of benin recorded a higher contribution figure due to more tribes taken from its region than the bight of biafra, individually Igbos were more in number than Yorubas.

[img]http://2.bp..com/-oVkhX8gNYOo/ULcgzOy_eOI/AAAAAAAAfxU/q5DVtrI0t6g/s1600/African+ethnic+origins+saint+domingue.png[/img]

Notice that slaves from the congo and angola region were the highest in number, consistent with records that show that the angola-congo region produced the highest number of slaves if you look at it holistically. Coming next in line is the bight of benin, a stretch from south western nigeria all the way to ghana - spanning over 4 different countries, with so tens of tribes coming from that region. Third highest in total regional contribution is the bight of biafra, with slaves coming mostly from Nigeria (Igboland, Ibibio Land and Ijaw Land) and some from Cameroun, with the Igbos being the overwhelming majority.

Phut:


Where is the link o?
And what you posted up there is rubbish and contradictory at best.

How can people be suicidal and tractable at the same time? Makes no dayim sense.
Also being attached to each other does not equal tractable.

AkanIgbo:


No bro. Here it is. They did a study on it. Most of the slaves out of Nigeria were Yoruba.

http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm

Nigeria kept its important position in the slave trade throughout the great expansion of the transatlantic trade after the middle of the seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s.

sukkot:
two guys wrote the article. one of them has a book on the slave trade. colin palmer. the white guy colin palmer is the one who wrote about the ibos being tractable in USA. the other guy is in the carribeans who says they are suicidal

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/156479?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21106260513451

AkanIgbo:


No bro. Here it is. They did a study on it. Most of the slaves out of Nigeria were Yoruba.

"Nigeria kept its important position in the slave trade throughout the great expansion of the transatlantic trade after the middle of the seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s."

http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm

The Igbo were mostly enslaved by the Aro Confederacy. The Yoruba were enslaved by the Oyo and then during the Yoruba civil war that followed the collapse of Oyo. Your research just showed the area that the slaves were shipped from, my study actually looked at the peoples enslaved. Your figures of 1.4 Igbo being enslaved sounds about right. Figures I have seen for the Yoruba was much higher; some in the range of 2 millions others well above 3+ millions. It stands to reason, because South America has many more black people than North America.

Phut:


When a person would rather die than be subjected to something, such a person is clearly , intractable. The biggest sacrifice one can make is with ones own life mmmkay!

OneNaira6:


Dumbass. LMFAO. you actually just justified what all have been saying. Your book was talking about igbo women. We were talking about the men. Every African slaves women were docile including the notorious mandigo, akan, wolof, Angolan and even igbo hence the reason most rebellion were done by men. None of us have ever denied the igbo women were docile. Duh...we know that

From the same book in which you delebrately tried to avoid post.

sukkot:
yes but the ones in america which is the point of this argument ( VIRGINIA ) were docile like kids and thats why americans mostly wanted ibo slaves. the man who wrote this has a best seller book on the slave trade mmkayyyy and lived during that era and am sure knows a lot more than you and i combined

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/156479?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21106260513451

Phut:

No they were not docile. Here is documentation about the mass suicide at Solomon Island. And there were other cases as well

“...dey bring duh Ibos [Igbos] obuh [over] in a slabe [slave] ship, an’ wen dey git yuh [here], dey ain’ lak [like] it, an’ so dey all staht singin an’ deh mahch right down in duh ribbuh [river] tuh mahch back tuh Africa, but dey ain’ able to git deah. Dey gits drown.” – Floyd White, native of St Simon’s Island, Georgia (published in “Drums and Shadows”, 1940)

sukkot:
yes but the ones in america which is the point of this argument ( VIRGINIA ) were docile like kids and thats why americans mostly wanted ibo slaves. the man who wrote this has a best seller book on the slave trade mmkayyyy and lived during that era and am sure knows a lot more than you and i combined

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/156479?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21106260513451

bigfrancis21:


You have kept repeating lies on this thread. Your aim of repeating this lie is to portay the Igbo as 'weak' and 'docile' or what?

The major reason for the huge presence of Igbos in Virginia was due to the mass poverty of virginia slave owners, and Igbo slaves were 'refuse slaves' owing to their rebellious and suicidal tendencies, leaving the virginia slave owners no choice but to buy Igbo slaves.

In south carolina, slaves from congo and angola were preferred because they were more docile.

bigfrancis21:


That is untrue. You failed to understand what the article wrote. Here is an excerpt from the link you quoted:



Most of the slaves after the abolition of the british slave trade happened to be yorubas. That is, Yorubas were sold more in slavery after abolishment of the slave trade than during the peak of the slave trade itself. We begin to find more Yoruba presence in the slave trade in the 19th century than 16th, 17th and 18th centuries put together. I mentioned earlier that yorubas had appeared more in the slave trade during its latter half and towards the end of the british slave trade, which explains the survival of yoruba religions in the americas and their origins fresh in their memories. They arrived decades after other tribes had been shifted to the new world and lost touch with their african cultures.

Figures below show the total amount of yorubas shipped after the abolishment of the british slave trade, when we begin to notice a substantial yoruba presence in the slave trade. Notice the given figure of 500,000. Compare this with the Igbo figure of about 1.4 million, spanning from the 16th to 18th centuries.