agaugust:


People speculate Angola.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/why-does-one-of-the-worlds-smallest-navies-want-one-of-the-worlds-biggest-warships-86c03ec9b21a

Maybe we should speculate Algeria.

pavri:


I am not Nigerian. I am just talking about ongoing agenda and expressing my hopes regarding likely further cooperations.

patches689:


Turned out the Angola thing was BS

The answer to your question depends on your definition of "carrier"

agaugust:


People speculate Angola.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/why-does-one-of-the-worlds-smallest-navies-want-one-of-the-worlds-biggest-warships-86c03ec9b21a

Maybe we should speculate Algeria.

bidexiii:


Fucken fraudulent that's what u r !the picture u posted even converted to jpeg and enlarged its hard to see ?
The url u can't even see ...... Why not post the link. So that every body can access ?

Henry120:
Let's if we can have a proper discussion.

U.S training and Counter-terrorism operations.

This has boggled my mind for a long time, but i have only been reminded by Igbi's (Patriot04's) comment.

-I mean, this is no news. Outside the media propaganda and blitz of CNN and other American/ british news networks, The U.S Counter-terrorism approach is very ineffective. Why do you guys think this is so, why is the U.S method achieving so little so insignificant results?



- U.S Training, this has also been another area of concern. U.S trained forces never seem to do well in battle. U.S trained countries always are better equipped than the "enemy", with better odds than the enemy, however in actual battle, they are always the first to flee or get defeated. The South-Koreans, Filipinos, Cuban trained dissidents "bay of pigs", the Iraqi's, U.S trained FSA in Syria, the Malian army, Indonesian troops in East-Timor, Central Americans...... etc etc are just a few examples.


U.S military aid looks much better on paper, than in practice. Why is this so?

jln115:

Have posted the fvcking link multiple time mate! its not my fault your blind as fvcking bat!

http://www.military-intellisense.com/air/ah2rooivalk.html:

bidexiii:

Uv got NO FUCKEN brains brats did u clink on that link before u paste it,click on the link or copy and paste the URl and see if its working !
Av told u, u'v got to proof to show us that ur rooivalks where the 1st to back-flip u south africans r fucken frauds !

bidexiii:

Uv got NO FUCKEN brains brats did u clink on that link before u paste it,click on the link or copy and paste the URl and see if its working !
Av told u, u'v got to proof to show us that ur rooivalks where the 1st to back-flip u south africans r fucken frauds !

stillchris:


and the fool that liked his post... proves they don't read through anything before mouthing off.

dumb people.

jln115:

Heres a link for you to, as you can see, its working fine now!

http://www.military-intellisense.com/air/ah2rooivalk.html

Henry120:


Although i do not see the possibility of an African country operating an Aircraft carrier, if i'm to speculate, the only countries who realistically can afford an Aircraft carrier are Algeria and Egypt.

The Egyptians can only afford one if, Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, the UAE and Kuwait are paying for it.

bidexiii:


There is no place where they say ur rooivalks can do back flips and the picture of the webpages ur SA friends is fruadulent even when converted to jpeg is not clear !!!


U guys should accept defeat !

pavri:
I really don't understand Why It is so important for S. African people because backflip or Loop is done almost all type of helicopters with a specific power. Backflip capability of a copter doesn't give it an advantage or disadvatages. It is just an artistic move to be done at fairs or shows. In battlefield, There is not such a luxury or time to do such a needless thing.

Put attack helicopters aside, It is Turkish Skorsky BlackHawk utility helicopter doing back flip in 1990.

Henry120:


Although i do not see the possibility of an African country operating an Aircraft carrier, if i'm to speculate, the only countries who realistically can afford an Aircraft carrier are Algeria and Egypt.

The Egyptians can only afford one if, Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, the UAE and Kuwait are paying for it.

pavri:


Turkey doesn't have an intention to extend the endurance, Since current inner fuel tanks keep Atak three hours on air without needing any air refueling. BTW, Turkey is producing 91 T-129 Atak helicopter for her own needs at present. If you consider 3 hours of endurance each, You are going to see that It is a strategic offensive forces Atak provides to Turkish Land Forces.



In recce/strike modes, Turkish concept is not to sacrifice any million $ helicopter with approaching dangerous zone, especially If You have a serious enemy like Greece. If you approach into such close ranges, Your copter is going to be a nice target which can be shot down easily. Greece is like a paradise of surface to air missiles.

Contrary to this, Turkish attack helicopter concept is developed with relaying highly on sensor qualities, highly advanced automatic identification softwares on FLIR and millimetric wave radar project. Instead of stepping into dangerous zones controlled by enemy, Atak will detect/identify target with a range from 25km thanks to FLIR, 40km thanks to MMW radar.

You can read the type of targets in Turkish identified by 300T FLIR (Bus, Car, Human...etc).



If the whether conditions block receiving serious electro-optic data, Then MMW radar with SAR mode will scan the 40km zone to identify a target. If It is a light armoured vehicle like APC or soldiers detected, Cirit missiles will be choosed to eliminate. If It is a main battle tank, It will be the line of Mizrak-L or IIr missiles. 20mm Gun is not choosed to penetrate/surpass enemy tank forces. As You also know that Tanks don't move without protection and attacking to a tank with 20mm gun is a madness for crew so The situation will be like above. Besides, Turkey is familiar with advantages of 20mm gathling gun since AH-1W Turkey operates have also similar system on it. It is the best selection against assymetric threats and light armoured soft targets.



Turkish Army knows the serious advantages of 20mm gun and actively using it against terrorists. 20mm gatling guns are more heat resistant than 30mm single barrel equivalents so Enemy can be surpassed more quickly.

An operation video of Turkish attack helicopters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLoJT6tDBuw

jln115:

Well fvcking shame dude! it was working fine yesterday!

jln115:

Well fvcking shame dude! it was working fine yesterday!

jln115:

Well fvcking shame dude! it was working fine yesterday!

stillchris:


i think one of the reasons is that the US doctrine focuses more on firepower than the man doing the fighting. (even though their spec ops operators are trained to be more effective)

from vietnam, iraq, afghanistan etc... the US troops have always relied more on firepower. where they can't deploy them effectively, they get help from mercineries and militias to do the fighting for them.

proof is iraq, afghanistan (allied forces had to go in to cover up their weaknesses), somalia etc to mention a few.

so the problem to me starts from the trainer. US does not train it's infantry to fight hard but to depend on it's machine to do the fighting. so any country that can't afford these hardwares have these weaknesses exposed.

and those who do... welll... the saudis, polish, s. korea etc just exposes the faults in the US military doctrines.

France and Britain have better trained infantry soldiers than the US. they depend less in hardware and more on the man doung the fighting.

remember the Nigerian army was very effective at the time they incorporated british doctrine for infantry training.

thanks to the ugly monkey obj, our army becam less effective since we shifted to the US.

that tells a lot

mzilakazi:
Should SANDF be utilised as crime busters? The assignment which they are not tasked to perform.


http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-05-20-domestic-threat-should-the-sandf-be-deployed-as-crime-fighters/#.VV7y5DPRY8o

patches689:


You forget that thailand could afford to buy a carrier

Its not fully utilized - but that is more to do with a lack of political will to spend funds on it when the military has more pressing concerns

mzilakazi:
Should SANDF be utilised as crime busters? The assignment which they are not tasked to perform.


http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-05-20-domestic-threat-should-the-sandf-be-deployed-as-crime-fighters/#.VV7y5DPRY8o

bidexiii:


LIAR that's what u r, why not accept easily dude, don't you see how u sound .... Funny !

bidexiii:


LIAR that's what u r, why not accept easily dude, don't you see how u sound .... Funny !

"It was working fyn yesterday" !

agaugust:


Nice information. Thanks a million.

It's almost certain Nigeria will buy a squadron or two of the T-129 ATAK.....Attacker !

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