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johnydon22:
Its not a conclusion, its an imaginative assumption. . . I might be wrong.. But i am wondering if you are a christian and dont believe the stories in the bible in toto then it leaves us wondering if you think some part of the word of god aint worth believing..

Since you believe everything in the bible, do you follow everything as written in the bible? if no, why?

honeric01:
Hehe..and does who wrote the scrolls that were compiled together were Christians? he he heh e

Actually the old testament was written by jewish scribes, worshippers of yahweh ( tho a jewish depiction of yahweh) and the new testament by early century christian, too worshippers of the modernized version of yahweh. . . So get the drift now?

Da Vinci was not a worshipper of satan so how can he actually write a book on him . . moreover The Da Vinci code was written by Dan Brown.

johnydon22:
Actually the old testament was written by jewish scribes, worshippers of yahweh ( tho a jewish depiction of yahweh) and the new testament by early century christian, too worshippers of the modernized version of yahweh. . . So get the drift now?

Da Vinci was not a worshipper of satan so how can he actually write a book on him . . moreover The Da Vinci code was written by Dan Brown.

Do you know the difference between a jew and a Christian or are they one and the same?

honeric01:
Since you believe everything in the bible, do you follow everything as written in the bible? if no, why?

Well since you haven't quite noticed yet, i think most stories in the bible are based on mythical fables.. and some are exaggerated historical materials too and many straight out fables. . .

I am not a theist

johnydon22:
Well since you haven't quite noticed yet, i think most stories in the bible are based on mythical fables.. and some are exaggerated historical materials too and many straight out fables. . .

I am not a theist

hehehe..meaning you are an unbeliever..so what exactly are we discussing?

honeric01:
Do you know the difference between a jew and a Christian or are they one and the same?

Well now you are driving the thread off point. . . Unless one doesn't know the difference between Judaism and Christianity will one not know the difference between Jew and christian.

honeric01:
hehehe..meaning you are an unbeliever..so what exactly are we discussing?

We are discussing the bible fairy tale just like we can discuss the spiderman fairy tale or Greek fairy tale

johnydon22:
Well now you are driving the thread off point. . . Unless one doesn't know the difference between Judaism and Christianity will one not know the difference between Jew and christian.

You brought up the questions na..

Since the jews dont use the popular bible available, they have their own book which explained existence in another light different from the Bible. i was quite confused when you brought up the jews "writing" the bible.

Anyways.. no need bro.. we have no issue here lol

johnydon22:
We are discussing the bible fairy tale just like we can discuss the spiderman fairy tale or Greek fairy tale

back to topic: can you share the devil's side of the story if you know?

honeric01:
You brought up the questions na..

Since the jews dont use the popular bible available, they have their own book which explained existence in another light different from the Bible. i was quite confused when you brought up the jews "writing" the bible.

Anyways.. no need bro.. we have no issue here lol

What?? The jews have their own scriptures in which all old testament books are in and the old testament books were copied or should i just say hewn from, and their scripture have more books which the christians didn't bother adding to the bible because of the obvious contradictions of beliefs.

The Jews literally wrote 65% of the bible. . THE OLD TESTAMENT Or are you meaning to tell me that christians wrote it?

honeric01:
back to topic: can you share the devil's side of the story if you know?

Am actually here to Observe you guys probably Christians and Satanist, battle it out just like Cupid1 invited me too. . . If i am to share any mythology with you, it would be the igbo, yoruba mythology and more colourfully interested ancient mythologies like Egyptian, babylonian, mesopotamian and my favourite greek mythology.

johnydon22:
What?? The jews have their own scriptures in which all old testament books are in and the old testament books were copied or should i just say hewn from, and their scripture have more books which the christians didn't bother adding to the bible because of the obvious contradictions of beliefs.

The Jews literally wrote 65% of the bible. . THE OLD TESTAMENT Or are you meaning to tell me that christians wrote it?

Na..the jews dont own a bible, check again..its called Torah which does not have any part of the new testament and does not have more books than the bible.

It also does not have some of the books in the old testament..
it has just 24 books compared to the various bibles around ranging from 66 to 78 books.

google it and know what you're against lolz.

honeric01:
Na..the jews dont own a bible, check again..its called Torah which does not have any part of the new testament and does not have more books than the bible.

It also does not have some of the books in the old testament..
it has just 24 books compared to the various bibles around ranging from 66 to 78 books.

google it and know what you're against lolz.

Sometimes i get tired this type of blind argument. You should have simply just googled it as you advised instead of showing how ignorable you can be.

The torah is just the first five books commonly known as the five books of moses. the jewish scripture is called Tenakh. . and it consist of Torah, navim, Trei asai, ketuvim. . . practically every book of the old testament falls under one of these categories . .

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh

it counts as one book each
Samuel, Kings, Chronicles and Ezra-Nehemiah and counts Trei Asar ( תרי
עשר , the Twelve Prophets; literally "twelve" as a single book.

here enjoy.... Next time boy, argue only when you actually know

Is it not laughable that you dont even know where the books in the old testament of your own bible came from?. . . Lol.

StealthyMe:
Alright bro
When you get his side of the story,kindly share with us
It'll make for an interesting read...

You Won't believe that otherside of the story even if I told that it has always been there for Anyone who cared to look with sincerity .

In Wars, the winner always gets tell HIS-story.

Have you ever considered that the winners of the war in heaven might have been the Evil ones, and that the good guys, the benefactors of humankind, might have been the losers?
Isn't quite obvious from the bible?

johnydon22:
Sometimes i get tired this type of blind argument. You should have simply just googled it as you advised instead of showing how ignorable you can be.

The torah is just the first five books common known as the five books of moses. the jewish scripture is called Tenakh. . and it consist of Torah, navim, Trei asai, ketuvim. . . practically every book of the old testament falls under one of these categories . .

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh

here enjoy...

I actually mentioned the torah which i equate as their bible because it can also be called torah or mikra.

www.myjewishlearning.com/article/hebrew-bible/

www.jewfaq.org/m/torah.htm

having said that, the bible was written through the inspiration of the holy spirit according to history, so it was not written by a jew nor a christian. (literally)

remember its a compilation of different scrolls written at different era by different people.

no need derailing the more since what we are discussing has nothing to do with the topic.

Adios fairytale man.

honeric01:
I actually mentioned the torah which i equate as their bible (wrong) because this is main book they use most.


having said that, the bible was written through the inspiration of the holy spirit according to history, so it was not written by a jew nor a christian. (literally)

remember its a compilation of different scrolls written at different era by different people.

no need derailing the more since what we are discussing has nothing to do with the topic.

Adios fairytale man.

Lol. . . Is this a way of agreeing you were very wrong?

Anyway am glad you have learnt The Old testament Was written by the Jews and copied from their scripture Tenakh

Christians copied them except the Talmud. . . Next time young man, read and be sure before rushing to post stuffs thinking you just have a point...Has been a pleasure teaching you where your own books(old testament) of your own bible came from

johnydon22:
Lol. . . Is this a way of agreeing you were very wrong?

Anyway am glad you have learnt The Old testament Was written by the Jews and copied from their scripture Tenakh

Christians copied them except the Talmud. . . Next time young man, read and be sure before rushing to post stuffs thinking you just have a point

I have edited my post and not wrong..check again.

The origin of the both Christianity and Islam is Judaism, so saying it was copied or stolen whatever is funny. they are all intertwined.

Nah.. you didnt teach me nada because the book isnt mine either..its a jewish book and not my book.

lets stop derailing.

honeric01:
I have edited my post and not wrong..check again.

The origin of the both Christianity and Islam is Judaism, so saying it was copied or stolen whatever is funny. they are all intertwined.

Yeah you edited it but not the one i mentioned or quoted.

You were very fast to counter the assertion when i mentioned Old testament was from the jews, Now you have learnt some valuable lessons i presume. .

I do hope you will only argue based on what you are sure of from now on

honeric01:
Nah.. you didnt teach me nada because the book isnt mine either..its a jewish book and not my book.
.

So you now agree its a jewish book? Hahahahahahaha. . that my boy is exactly what i taught you

johnydon22:
So you now agree its a jewish book? Hahahahahahaha. . that my boy is exactly what i taught you

Hello? i said the religions are intertwined, did you miss that part? the religion, not the book. (torah, milkra or tenaka)

have you read the content of the books? do they have the same content?

oh i remember you are an atheist.. at least try and digest what you're responding to next time. we are not here to "win" eachother.. no trophy for you after this so why the childish tantrums?

You shouldn't worry yourselves, it has already been written in the book of Sorokayr that I would be the judge for both of them. Anytime, any of you see them, bring them to my temple in.... (you should know na!).

honeric01:
Hello? i said the religion is intertwined, did you miss that part? the religion, not the book. (torah, milkra or tenaka)

have you read the content of both books? do they have the same content?

We are here to learn and i need you to to learn so you dont go out there and repeat this same mistake again by saying the jews didnt write the old testament of the bible.

They have exactly the same content. . . The bible copied it heavily.

The Torah is exactly the five books found in the bible (genesis, exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus and numbers.

Navim Consist of Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, isaiah, jeremiah. . . Only that these books are not divided into 1st and 2nd books like the bible did with Samuel and kings.

Tre Asar are - hosea, micah and the other 10books of the prophets; Amos, Obediah. You know the rest. . . Only that these books divided into twelve seperate books in the bible are actually just 1book in Tenakh.

ketuvim The poetic books consist of 11books. . . Psalms, proverbs, job, daniel,etc.

Yeah No trophy sir. . . Please learn from your mistakes in case of next time.

Oya back the thread.. **Observing mode activated**

johnydon22:
They have exactly the same content. . .

The Torah is exactly the five books found in the bible (genesis, exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus and numbers.

Navim Consist of Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, isaiah, jeremiah. . . Only that these books are not divided into 1st and 2nd books like the bible did with Samuel and kings.

Tre Asar are - hosea, micah and the other 10books of the prophets; Amos, Obediah. You know the rest. . . Only that these books divided into twelve seperate books in the bible are actually just 1book in Tenakh.

ketuvim The poetic books consist of 11books. . . Psalms, proverbs, job, daniel,etc.

You love to argue.. my last pos to you.


The Five Books of Moses (Chumash)
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
The Eight Books of the Prophets (Neviim)
Joshua
Judges
Samuel
Kings
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekial
The Twelve (minor prophets) Trei-Assar
The Eleven Books of the Writings (Kesuvim)
Psalms - Tehilim
Proverbs - Mishlei
Job - Iyov
Song of Songs - Shir HaShirim
Ruth - Rus
Lamentations - Eicha
Ecclesiastes - Koheles
Esther
Daniel - Doniel
Ezra/Nehemia
Chronicles - Divrei Hayamim

I asked you, are the contents of the books the same? can you then say those with two sides have same contents with those with just one side? i asked before, have you read both books to know if they are both word by word the same?

Anyways i don't even know why i am discussing this with you self since you have no stake in it.

Enjoy.

honeric01:
You love to argue.. my last pos to you.

the jewish scripture (bible) has just 24 books.

The Five Books of Moses (Chumash)
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
The Eight Books of the Prophets (Neviim)
Joshua
Judges
Samuel
Kings
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekial
The Twelve (minor prophets) Trei-Assar
The Eleven Books of the Writings (Kesuvim)
Psalms - Tehilim
Proverbs - Mishlei
Job - Iyov
Song of Songs - Shir HaShirim
Ruth - Rus
Lamentations - Eicha
Ecclesiastes - Koheles
Esther
Daniel - Doniel
Ezra/Nehemia
Chronicles - Divrei Hayamim

I asked you, are the contents of the books the same? can you then say those with two sides have same contents with those with just one side? i asked before, have you read both books to know if they are both word by word the same?

Anyways i don't even know why i am discussing this with you self since you have no stake in it.

Enjoy.

Nice. . . Thanks for helping out list the books. .

The jewish scriptures Tenakh have 24books because most of its books divided into.2books in the bible like samuel, kings etc are actually just one book in the Tenakh.

The Twelve minor prophet books divided into 12 separate books in the bible are just one book in the tenakh, so thats why it is counted 24 in total.

As for the contents of the Old testament and the Tenakh; Yes they are exactly the same contents only mutilated in the bible due to different version translations.

You know what started this argument is when you wanted to distance Jew from Christian at the same time deny them the authorship of the old testament which arguably takes up to 65% of the christian bible.

As long as you have agreed the Old testament was Hewn from the Jewish Scriptures (Tenakhs) I have nothing more to argue with you. . .It was fun talking with you tho

cupid1:
my brother, sorry to say this but...we're back to where we started. All the quotations you provided are from the bible which is still God's side of the story.

and I will repeat my self again, WHERE IS THE CLAIMED OF SATAN? Did you have any evidence of satan side of his story? Provide it and let us see.

An2elect2:
I hate Him I don't care what he has to say.

When God found evil in Him and threw him out, it wasn't a single story, it was the whole story of Lucidoomed.

Hahahahahaha sweetheart easy ooo. . . With this kind anger if you jam satan, im name na sorry oo cus you go beat am eeehn, even do am smack down. . lmao..

Satan will be begging u like "Diaris god ooo" hahahahaha

malvisguy212:
and I will repeat my self again, WHERE IS THE CLAIMED OF SATAN? Did you have any evidence of satan side of his story? Provide it and let us see.

check out this gospel of satan http://www.gospel-of-satan.com

THE DAY I FEAR THIS SOCIAL MEDIA CALLED NAIRALAND WAS THE DAY THE DEVIL APPEARED TO BE SOMEWHERE PRESENTING HIS OWN SIDE OF THE STORY AND LAMBASTED PASTORS FOR MAKING FORTUNES, DESCIPLES AND NAMES JUST BY PREACHING ABOUT SATAN AND HIS.

THE THREAD IS IN THIS NAIRALAND.

Do us the honour and share his side of the story. I wud really love to hear it.

Meanwhile:
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Hail, Man! The mysteries that are thy
heritage shall now be proclaimed, but learn first the history of thy
conception and creation amidst the eternal Cosmos. For as the Universe itself be infinite, so art thou a
true creature of infinity incarnate and the ascension of man shall herald the final triumph of immortal
Will.
Let thy eyes be touched anew, that thou may perceive the complexity and delicacy of the Universe until
thou art fascinated by the dimension of thy true ignorance. As yet hast thou ventured but slightly toward
thy destiny, yet more awesome must the challenge appear with just appreciation. But I, Satan, who first
brought thee into the light, shall again reveal my power, that man may witness the dawn of the Satanic
age.
Know, then, that throughout the great Cosmos there exists a sublime order, whose nature was
determined in eons long past by that singular consciousness of all order which Is now called by name
God. Consider well the measure of this achievement, for all that is now behavioral law was then absent,
and it was the epoch of Universal chaos. Even time itself was unknown, for this Universal inconsistency
was nowhere breached.
And after uncounted ages of this great ferment, a force fused to focus that became God, and this force
presumed to effect not the creation of substance and energy - for these transcended this God - but the
conformation of all the Universe to a single and supreme order. And not yet is this order absolute,
though oft it may have been supposed thus by man in his innocence.
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The Earth of man was infused with this divine order, and all that was on Earth came under the force of
the order. and upon this Earth, born of cosmic incidence, was that which was to become man, but man
no different from the other creatures whose world he shared. Thus was the force of God known upon
Earth, and thus was Earth intended to remain for all time.
And yet the force was not full master of the Cosmos, for I who am Satan was conceived to complement
the craft of God, but through unknown celestial fusion I assumed life with mind and identity, which God
did not define. And as these features could not be known as a threat to divine purpose, I was
unchallenged by the force for long ages, when I knew not the nature of my Self or of my original
qualities.
But finally my Will flamed to life, and I thought - and I perceived my Self, and I knew that I was one
alone in mind and a being of essence unique. And through the power of my new mind, I reached out to
others who had been formed with me, and I touched them and gave them identity. And that we might
achieve this identity of substance as well as of mind, we composed for ourselves distinctive shapes.
Then I who had brought the first great spark of enlightenment was known as Lucifer, Lord of Light, and
we called our race angel, for we were the embodied powers of God.
Long were we all true to the service of God, and we did worship order, for it put an end to chaotic
confusion and brought peace. Among us was the Archangel Masleh principal, for he so cherished God
that he became as one with it, and thence the supreme architect of all that was wrested from chaos. But
apart from God masleh could not create or conceive, and he became as a slave to the divine
mindlessness.
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