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Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by raumdeuter: 12:10am On Jun 10, 2015
porka:


Ok, fair enough!

But, how did you come about your theory?

You have not answered the questions still.

It would be interesting to recommend any Yoruba dictionary.


I am mobile

But check the link below and search for Saraki in it


http://archive.org/stream/DictionaryOfTheYorubaLanguage/A_Dictionary_of_the_Yoruba_Language_djvu.txt
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by porka: 12:13am On Jun 10, 2015
raumdeuter:


Saraki doesn't sound same as Pataki

One is do-do-mi the other is do-do-do

I'm core Oyo and with deep understanding of Yoruba

Saraki means important person like Gbajumo

In a sentence: Gbogbo Awon Saraki ilu Ibadan lo people pejo sibi igbeyawo Ojo ATI aina

Ok, Baba Oyo...

This particular Saraki is not Yoruba...

Read what Oloye said of his ancestry with his own mouth...

Question - One is at a loss about your real identity because some people would call you a Fulani while others would describe you as a Yoruba. Some said your mother was from Iseyin and your wife is from Owo in Ondo State. There are even people saying you are half Christian while others argue that you are a devoted Moslem. Who really are you?

Answer - My mother was from Iseyin in Oyo State while my father was from Ilorin in Kwara State. My great-great grandfather originated from Mali and I am talking about some 150 to 200 years ago. And they are Fulani and that is where we got our Fulani connection from. My great grandfather settled in Ilorin preaching the religion of Islam. A section of Ilorin came from Gwandu, they were all refreshing and they were religious but my people came there as practicing Muslims from Mali with their “own Quran”.

In fact, the Emir and I used to joke that we had our own Quran and that nobody gave us Quran. My great-grandfather brought our own Quran to Ilorin from Mali to Agbaji where we settled. The Agbaji quarters is about 200 to 300 years old. Over the years, religious piety and devotion have led the prohibition of drumming (in whatever circumstance) in the area. But because of our connection with the Southern people, a lot of the Yoruba are always in Ilorin and so we speak the same language.

But if you look at the Ilorin people, the real Ilorin people like Saraki for example, the culture and their ways share affinity to those of the far Northern Nigeria. That accounts for the difference you observe between us and, particularly, people of the South-West, despite the existence, now, of Yoruba as a common language. I leave people to say whatever they like about me. Some people even say I am from Ogun State and some even say I am from Togo but I know where I am from. Even, not long ago, I had an invitation to join a Malian-Fulani organisation and that I should be its chairman.

http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=10809
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by raumdeuter: 12:18am On Jun 10, 2015
Who is Yoruba? Oduduwa himself was born outside present day Yoruba land.


Where your ancestors 200 years ago came from doesn't matter. Most people migrated freely in those days

I know many people who according to history their ancestors came from far to settle and become indigene today.

There were many exchanges between ancient kingdoms

In some part of Oyo and Kwara state there are people whose ancestors were hunters and marabouts from Bariba and Songhai empires

There were many interactions pre independence between yorubas and people north of the Niger that's why our dressings are similar even certain words in both languages

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Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by Deluxii(m): 12:19am On Jun 10, 2015
FreeGlobe:

kwara indeed. keep deceiving yourself. Saraki is not yoruba
you can say Ilorin town and "ilorin people" where emir rule them are from Mali or whatever fulani origin but you can't say the whole Kwara state are not Yoruba... What of other 43 towns of kwara state like Ifelodun,Igbomina,Offa etc infact one of my best pal is from Offa town and they are konk Yoruba people. Its becos of Ilorin township that is being dominated and ruled by the emir that led to kwara state being zoned under North Central apart from ilorin other major part of kwara state are Yoruba dominated.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by eduxerxes: 12:20am On Jun 10, 2015
You wake up see today, "Lasun"
Na Godwin ooooo!
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by frankyychiji(f): 12:29am On Jun 10, 2015
makzeze:
God bless Nigeria

God bless Muhammadu Buhari

Nigerians lets unite for the peace and progress of our dear nation.

So help us God.
You should tell your brothers in sambisa forest that.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by Deluxii(m): 12:31am On Jun 10, 2015
porka:


Saraki family.

Not Kwarans as a whole.

Oloye himself said they are Fulani from Mali.

You can't know him more than himself.
Exactly I am not even after Saraki or no Saraki issue, I am only on Kwarans are not Yoruba matter.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by lakesidepapa(m): 12:34am On Jun 10, 2015
gajike:
Lasun yusuff is from rebel faction not candidate of apc tinubu still loose this. But south west won.
What's dis one saying? Lasun is a core apc member and a very good loyalist to governor Aregbesola. Oya view the link. U can sense that jagaban have this one.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by Deluxii(m): 12:41am On Jun 10, 2015
FreeGlobe:

stfu. bukola saraki is fulani. Kwara is ruled by an emir which is not part of yoruba culture and kwara is not in yorubaland. Stop your attachee by force. Saraki's presidency does not have any benefits for yorubaland
Noooo sis, Its only "Ilorin" town out of all the 43towns in Kwara state that is being ruled by that emir you are talking about not the entire kwara state. Other remaining towns except Ilorin are ruled by "Oba" King in English.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by Deluxii(m): 12:47am On Jun 10, 2015
raumdeuter:


That's an ignorant statement to make

Oduduwa was from middle east, fani Kayode family are historically Tapa from Niger state.

Before the Europeans came many people migrated and mingled with yorubas.

Some people in Lagos island are historically Baribas, Brazilians.

His ancestors migrated from Mali 200yrs ago doesn't stop him from being Yoruba
I tire o! Even history made us understand Yoruba race is from Egypt or part of Saudi Arabia. So that is humanity for you we all migrated from somewhere and we will continue to migrate to other places of the earth till the end of humanity.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by porka: 12:54am On Jun 10, 2015
raumdeuter:
Who is Yoruba? Oduduwa himself was born outside present day Yoruba land.


Where your ancestors 200 years ago came from doesn't matter. Most people migrated freely in those days

I know many people who according to history their ancestors came from far to settle and become indigene today.

There were many exchanges between ancient kingdoms

In some part of Oyo and Kwara state there are people whose ancestors were hunters and marabouts from Bariba and Songhai empires

There were many interactions pre independence between yorubas and people north of the Niger that's why our dressings are similar even certain words in both languages

That's an advanced "theory of everybody and nobody". (Buhari, 2015).

But we are discussing a live situation now Sir.

If your forefathers came from afar and you've settled a near and you chose not to integrate instead prefer an affiliation with your kins from afar why should anyone claim you as part of them?

If Oloye Saraki preferred his ancestral affinity why should it bother anyone?

Why the rush to claim someone who stated clearly that he is not Yoruba?

"Even, not long ago, I had an invitation to join a Malian-Fulani organisation and that I should be its chairman."

No one put up this sort of theory then when The Nation said Obasanjo's father was Igbo and not Yoruba, even with all the Egba tribal marks on his face.

He it was who came out to say he is a bonafide Yoruba man.

Now you find someone who stated plain and clear that he is Fulani and suddenly theories started coming up about Lamurudu, Agboniregun, Oduduwa etc.

Listen, there are Fulani quarters and there are Yoruba quarters in Ilorin.

Pre-independence interactions or not, everyone knows where he comes from.

Everyone knows who he is.

You can't claim someone who said he's Fulani as Yoruba.

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Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by tonychristopher: 12:58am On Jun 10, 2015
raumdeuter:
Who is Yoruba? Oduduwa himself was born outside present day Yoruba land.


Where your ancestors 200 years ago came from doesn't matter. Most people migrated freely in those days

I know many people who according to history their ancestors came from far to settle and become indigene today.

There were many exchanges between ancient kingdoms

In some part of Oyo and Kwara state there are people whose ancestors were hunters and marabouts from Bariba and Songhai empires

There were many interactions pre independence between yorubas and people north of the Niger that's why our dressings are similar even certain words in both languages

Hmmm oduduwa was a skywalker..you people said he landed with a fowl in one hand

Benin version said oduduwa was a wandered edo man

This middle east is a new one

Una get gist sha ...

Ok he is from Jordan an isis Man..any thing you say will be used against u

But.... saraki is pure fulani man
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by bunmititi(f): 12:59am On Jun 10, 2015
porka:


That's an advanced "theory of everybody and nobody". (Buhari, 2015).

But we are discussing a live situation now Sir.

If your forefathers came from afar and you've settled a near and you chose not to integrate instead prefer an affiliation with your kins from afar why should anyone claim you as part of them?

If Oloye Saraki preferred his ancestral affinity why should it bother anyone?

Why the rush to claim someone who stated clearly that he is not Yoruba?

"Even, not long ago, I had an invitation to join a Malian-Fulani organisation and that I should be its chairman."

No one put up this sort of theory then when The Nation said Obasanjo's father was Igbo and not Yoruba, even with all the Egba tribal marks on his face.

He it was who came out to say he is a bonafide Yoruba man.

Now you find someone who stated plain and clear that he is Fulani and suddenly theories started coming up about Lamurudu, Agboniregun, Oduduwa etc.

Listen, there are Fulani quarters and there are Yoruba quarters in Ilorin.

Pre-independence interactions or not, everyone knows where he comes from.

Everyone knows who he is.

You can't claim someone who said he's Fulani as Yoruba.

Allah bless you
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by Deluxii(m): 1:00am On Jun 10, 2015
FreeGlobe:

Thrash, kwara is traditionally ruled by an emir. Kwara is not in yorubaland. saraki presidency does not have any special benefits for yorubaland which is south west
Hello why are you so tensed and pertubed about such a mundane issue like this... Pls take a chill pill I don't think I have addressed you or anybody comment in an unruly way before, because it is never my "thing" to use derogatory or inflammatory words no matter how I feels against people either online or offline... So take it easy pls I am not here to fight anybody o madame.
1love

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Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by raumdeuter: 1:10am On Jun 10, 2015
porka:

That's an advanced "theory of everybody and nobody". (Buhari, 2015).
But we are discussing a live situation now Sir.
If your forefathers came from afar and you've settled a near and you chose not to integrate instead prefer an affiliation with your kins from afar why should anyone claim you as part of them?
If Oloye Saraki preferred his ancestral affinity why should it bother anyone?
Why the rush to claim someone who stated clearly that he is not Yoruba?
"Even, not long ago, I had an invitation to join a Malian-Fulani organisation and that I should be its chairman."

No one put up this sort of theory then when The Nation said Obasanjo's father was Igbo and not Yoruba, even with all the Egba tribal marks on his face.
He it was who came out to say he is a bonafide Yoruba man.
Now you find someone who stated plain and clear that he is Fulani and suddenly theories started coming up about Lamurudu, Agboniregun, Oduduwa etc.
Listen, there are Fulani quarters and there are Yoruba quarters in Ilorin.
Pre-independence interactions or not, everyone knows where he comes from.
Everyone knows who he is.
You can't claim someone who said he's Fulani as Yoruba.

This is what happens when some people are averse to knowledge.

You first stated that the name Saraki had no meaning in Yoruba until I took the pain to educate you.

Events that happened over 200yrs ago

Do you know that 200yrs ago there was no city in the place called Ibadan today. Yet today over 2 million people point to Ibadan as their homeland did these people drop from heaven? Didn't they migrate from somewhere before they started reproducing?

There are many people of Yoruba ancestry living in Ghana, cote d ivore, northern nigeria for over 100yrs and have assimilated into the local population and some still associate with their Yoruba ancestry.

The people of Yoruba ancestry living in Brazil today are they Brazilians or Yorubas?

Is Emmanuel Adebayor Togolese or Nigerian?

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Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by porka: 1:15am On Jun 10, 2015
raumdeuter:


I am mobile

But check the link below and search for Saraki in it


http://archive.org/stream/DictionaryOfTheYorubaLanguage/A_Dictionary_of_the_Yoruba_Language_djvu.txt

Ok, great.

Saraki, n. respected members of
a club or association.

Thanks.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by abdulwastecx(m): 1:38am On Jun 10, 2015
FreeGlobe:

No 3 man is never yoruba stop embarassing yourself, unless you also believe Rotimi amaechi is yoruba

saraki is even more yoruba than say a yoruba man from ekiti.
ilorin is an outpost of old oyo, people oilorin speak undiluted yoruba language.

Bukola father is an opportunist that is not an indigene of ilorin, he came into ilorin to learn arabic from Ogun state.

Yes saraki is 100% a yoruba man
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by abdulwastecx(m): 1:48am On Jun 10, 2015
porka:


That's an advanced "theory of everybody and nobody". (Buhari, 2015).

But we are discussing a live situation now Sir.

If your forefathers came from afar and you've settled a near and you chose not to integrate instead prefer an affiliation with your kins from afar why should anyone claim you as part of them?

If Oloye Saraki preferred his ancestral affinity why should it bother anyone?

Why the rush to claim someone who stated clearly that he is not Yoruba?

"Even, not long ago, I had an invitation to join a Malian-Fulani organisation and that I should be its chairman."

No one put up this sort of theory then when The Nation said Obasanjo's father was Igbo and not Yoruba, even with all the Egba tribal marks on his face.

He it was who came out to say he is a bonafide Yoruba man.

Now you find someone who stated plain and clear that he is Fulani and suddenly theories started coming up about Lamurudu, Agboniregun, Oduduwa etc.

Listen, there are Fulani quarters and there are Yoruba quarters in Ilorin.

Pre-independence interactions or not, everyone knows where he comes from.

Everyone knows who he is.

You can't claim someone who said he's Fulani as Yoruba.

what is your definition of yoruba?
who is a yoruba?
tribal identity started some years ago, 200 years ago people were known as ekiti, egba, oyo, akoko, ikoyi etc. All these groups metamorphosed into the presenf yoruba nation.

Ilorin started as an outpost of Oyo which is the strongest yoruba nation as of then, the town ilorin had inflow of other tribe like nupes, fulani, and hausas but majority are still yorubas.

Ilorin people a pure yoruba without dialect like ekitis, egba, akoko etc.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by porka: 2:05am On Jun 10, 2015
raumdeuter:


This is what happens when some people are averse to knowledge.

You first stated that the name Saraki had no meaning in Yoruba until I took the pain to educate you.

Events that happened over 200yrs ago

Do you know that 200yrs ago there was no city in the place called Ibadan today. Yet today over 2 million people point to Ibadan as their homeland did these people drop from heaven? Didn't they migrate from somewhere before they started reproducing?

There are many people of Yoruba ancestry living in Ghana, cote d ivore, northern nigeria for over 100yrs and have assimilated into the local population and some still associate with their Yoruba ancestry.

The people of Yoruba ancestry living in Brazil today are they Brazilians or Yorubas?

Is Emmanuel Adebayor Togolese or Nigerian?

The "pain" you took to "educate" me is sincerely appreciated.

What is not tolerable is the lie that I stated that "Saraki had no meaning in Yoruba".

There is no where I made such "statement".

A careful re-reading of those posts will take you to question mark at the end of each question.

Except you want to take the "pain to educate me again", to the best of my knowledge Sir, questions are not statements.

Therefore, between me who asked questions which you took the "pain" to provide answers to, and you who just refused to accept someone's testimonies about himself, who is averse to knowledge Sir?

As at today Sir, there is no country known as Yoruba or Fulani, they are used for Ethnic or Tribal groups.

Therefore, Ghana, Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Brazil etc are countries according to geography and politics.

Whereas you can live in a country and take its citizenship, ethnic ancestry is purely by birth.

There are several Ogbomoso people in the North who will never admit they are Hausa or Fulani, and some of them don't even know Ogbomoso motor park in Kano. Many don't speak a word in Yoruba and don't have a Yoruba name.

There are several Hausa/Fulani in Sabo in Ibadan who speak Yoruba better than you, they are not Yoruba Sir.

Many African Americans are currently sequencing their DNA to determine their African tribe.

Their forefathers have been gone from Africa for more than 200 years.

The Ethiopian Jews, who many believe are descendants of King Solomon and Queen of Sheba, were rescued in a massive operation back to their homeland in 1991, after living in Ethiopia as "citizens" for several centuries.

Adebayor's nationality is Ivorian, his tribe could be Yoruba. It doesn't matter how many centuries his ancestors might have departed from Yorubaland.

Same applies to Yorubas in Brazil. They are simply Yorubas in Brazil or Cuba.

I wasn't expecting you to still continue dragging this stuff till now, especially since you saw Oloye's own version of who he was.

The man even took the "pain" (maybe like you did) to distinguish his own Fulani from that of Ilorin Emir's Fulani.

When someone takes his time to explain these stuffs to you, like he did, he is simply saying he is not a bastard. That's the interpretation.

Saraki is Fulani Sir.

I think you should take that as one knowledge you've learned this night.

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Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by porka: 2:18am On Jun 10, 2015
abdulwastecx:


saraki is even more yoruba than say a yoruba man from ekiti.
ilorin is an outpost of old oyo, people oilorin speak undiluted yoruba language.

Bukola father is an opportunist that is not an indigene of ilorin, he came into ilorin to learn arabic from Ogun state.

Yes saraki is 100% a yoruba man

That's your own theory...

This is what the man said with his own mouth...

"Some people even say I am from Ogun State and some even say I am from Togo but I know where I am from. Even, not long ago, I had an invitation to join a Malian-Fulani organisation and that I should be its chairman".

http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=10809
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by sternrichard(m): 3:01am On Jun 10, 2015
Omololu007:
I thought d SE said dey will neva sopot a yoruba man...nonsense
wake up please!
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by Nobody: 3:43am On Jun 10, 2015
adioolayi:
Hon Yusuf Sulaimon Lasun representing Osogbo/ Olorunda / Orolu /
Irepodun of Osun state has been eleced Deputy Speaker of the 8 th
Assembly.

Lasun defeated Hon Mohammed Monguno to emerge deputy to
Dogara. He polled a total of 203 votes as against Monguno ’ s 153
votes .

He has been sworn in by the Clerk of the National Assembly,
Salisu Abubakar Maikasuwa .

http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/06/09/lasun-defeats-monguno-emerge-deputy-speaker-house-of-reps/


cc: lalasticlala


A northerner in southwestern clothing grin
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by after1: 4:48am On Jun 10, 2015
Babymama1:


A northerner in southwestern clothing grin

You are dumb hoesisi, so all muslims are northerner?
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by Nobody: 5:00am On Jun 10, 2015
after1:


My mama na dumb hoesisi, so all muslims are northerner?

Na wa o
Na you talk am
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by after1: 5:15am On Jun 10, 2015
Babymama1:


My rotten pus.sy stinks cos of too much pay per f.uck. Texas boys aint smiling at all

Really? Thats cool anyway.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by OROSUNBOLB(m): 5:39am On Jun 10, 2015
CMSbrands:
Yoruba Vice president, yoruba deputy speaker, bukola saraki a yoruba man senate president hmmm.. Its ok.

All we want is a gud governance and a great Nigeria.. Not an imposition system of governance..

God bless Buharis wisdom..
I respect PMB position.m

Saraki is actually half fulani-half yoruba.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by Nobody: 6:40am On Jun 10, 2015
Johntobi56:
President -NW(Fulani)
Vice President - SW(Yoruba)
Senate President-NC(Yoruba)
Deputy Senate President- SE (Igbo)
Speaker -NE (Kanuri)
Deputy speaker -SW-(Yoruba)


The speaker is not a kanuri man. He is a christian from Tafawa Balewa Lga in Bauchi State.
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by tonychristopher: 6:46am On Jun 10, 2015
Johntobi56:
President -NW(Fulani)
Vice President - SW(Yoruba)
Senate President-NC(Yoruba)
Deputy Senate President- SE (Igbo)
Speaker -NE (Kanuri)
Deputy speaker -SW-(Yoruba)

Vp is comissioner
Saraki is a fulani man ..he said it himself
Who is lost
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by sweetgala(m): 7:18am On Jun 10, 2015
emmykk:
so kwara is now yoruba,so name the 19 states of the north.tomoro kwara will be middle belt.

In the last govt how many yoruba were in power mugushi,ur speaker was snatched by tambuwal.

And who told you that the 3 yoruba men presence will reflect in your life or lives of yoruba people if not their immediate family.this is how you yoruba are the major problem of nigeria since the time of awolowo.

Obj was president but Gej fix lagos-ibadan express road.

Think of how you will succeed than banking on my yoruba man is there.

GEJ did not fix Lagos Ibadan express way, may sango punish you for such an absurd lie.

That road has been in a poor state for over 20 years , and the contract was awarded as far back as 2005
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by tonychristopher: 7:20am On Jun 10, 2015
abdulwastecx:


what is your definition of yoruba?
who is a yoruba?
tribal identity started some years ago, 200 years ago people were known as ekiti, egba, oyo, akoko, ikoyi etc. All these groups metamorphosed into the presenf yoruba nation.

Ilorin started as an outpost of Oyo which is the strongest yoruba nation as of then, the town ilorin had inflow of other tribe like nupes, fulani, and hausas but majority are still yorubas.

Ilorin people a pure yoruba without dialect like ekitis, egba, akoko etc.


What is wrong with u...SARAKI WAS CLEAR ON HIS HERITAGE AND SAID HE IS FULANI


And defnition of Yoruba is anango
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by FreeGlobe(f): 7:25am On Jun 10, 2015
abdulwastecx:


saraki is even more yoruba than say a yoruba man from ekiti.
ilorin is an outpost of old oyo, people oilorin speak undiluted yoruba language.

Bukola father is an opportunist that is not an indigene of ilorin, he came into ilorin to learn arabic from Ogun state.

Yes saraki is 100% a yoruba man
the man saraki has said hmself, he is not yoruba, it seems you know saraki more than saraki. stop embarrassing the yoruba tribe here
Re: Yusuf Sulaimon-Lasun Is Deputy Speaker House Of Representatives by Horllamideh(m): 7:41am On Jun 10, 2015
gajike:
Lasun yusuff is from rebel faction not candidate of apc tinubu still loose this. But south west won.
Rebel faction huh??....am sure you are not from the southwest

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