Henry120:
The ATR-42 and J-10B would the perfect match made in heaven.

J-10B, Rafale, Eurofighter typhoon, F-16 block 60 and SU-35 are all the same class of fighters.

How about ATR-42 and Su-30 MK ?

NAF will k.ill the world !

Henry120:


The ATR-42 is without question the best surveillance plane in SSA

Actually from Cape Town to Cairo, NO air force has ISTAR power to compare with NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, no close rival !

Libya has one ATR-42 Surveyor not upgraded, so below NAF statndard.

Egypt and Algeria only have older 1980s Beechcraft for ISTAR, Egypt has E-2 Hawkeye for AWACS, it cannot do real ATR-42`s job.

ALL AFRICA bows to NAF ATR-42 surveyor....mighty surveyor with 407 km radar range , Nigeria is in the big league of world super powers !
.

stillchris:


even if the sentinel is better, south africa still doesn't match Nigeria in that category.

if you do... state the platforms... that simple

Gripen

Kondor-E satelight (an actual military reconnaissance satellite)

Thales ground search radars

agaugust:


[s]Nope !

I NEVER said Sentinel is better, it just has higher specs in aircraft performance, that's what I mean by overall higher specs.

ATR-42 and Sentinel are almost equal, each having it's own advantages. Size and engine gives the Sentinel overall specs advantage in areas of aircraft flight performance NOT the ISTAR mission itself.

NAF ATR-42 has far superior radar range over RAF Sentinel.

Mission :

ATR-42 - Multi-mission land and sea upgrade complete
Sentinel - Single-mission land only, plans for upgrade

Endurance :

ATR-42 - 11 hours
Sentinel - 14 hours

Speed :

ATR-42 - 518 km/h
Sentinel - 918 km/h

Ceiling :

ATR-42 - 8 km
Sentinel - 15 km

Radar range :

ATR-42 - 407 km
Sentinel - 333 km

Nigerian Air Force = American Air Force & British Air Force in ISTAR power !

South African Air Force = Mozambican Air Force & Rwandan Air Force [/s]
.

You have said that your AT42 has a radar range of 300km

Now it is 400km?

lol, this is too funny

agaugust:
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[s]Radar range :

Nigerian Air Force ATR-42 = 407 km

British Royal Air Force Sentinel = 333 km

NAF = NATO super world powers ![/s]
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"because i say so"

agaugust:


FG has announced Nigerian air force will buy 7 more units of ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft
.

as well as Su-30's, JF-17's, ATAK helicopters and dont forget Tucano's

#dreams

Henry120:
[s]The ATR-42 and J-10B would the perfect match made in heaven.[/s][s][/s]

J-10B, Rafale, Eurofighter typhoon, F-16 block 60 and SU-35 are all the same class of fighters.

J-10B, single engine multirole same as the F-16
Rafale - strike fighter
Eurofighter and Su-35 -air superiority

3 different classes

agaugust:


[s]How about ATR-42 and Su-30 MK ?

NAF will k.ill the world ![/s]

You cant afford to pay the wages of government employees - how will afford these?

agaugust:


[s]Actually from Cape Town to Cairo, NO air force has ISTAR power to compare with NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, no close rival !

Egypt and Algeria only have older 1980s Beechcraft for ISTAR, Egypt has E-2 Hawkeye for AWACS, it cannot do real ATR-42`s job.

ALL AFRICA bows to NAF ATR-42 surveyor....mighty surveyor with 407 km radar range , Nigeria is in the big league of world super powers ![/s]
.

Gripen + Recon pods + Targeting pods = ISTAR that can operate in a contested air-space

Henry120:

3 additional surveillance planes are coming to NAF soon.

equally great

lionel4power:


dumm.y stop equating EW with ISTAR. And citation needed for your claim

Even Hawk LEAD fighter trainer can conduct ISTAR missions.

Yes, SA is one of the leading countries in EW.

lionel4power:
sa zombi.e the concept of ISTAR is still mystical to you thats why you call it a mere mission. Because s.a don't have it. How do you gather intelligence? Do you have consistent surveilance capability? All saaf can manage is mere recon and target acquisition. Show us your intel gathering airborne platform? Show us surveilance airborne platform. S.A ZOMB1ES DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ONLY MOUTH.
Look below for DEDICATED ISTAR PLATFORMS ZULU.

Helicopters can gather intelligence.

The Gripen can gather surveillance.

The Cessna can gather intelligence.

lionel4power:
Saaf gripen doesnt have the endurance of a dedicated platform. A gripen is a multirole aircraft, if you want to do istar you will have to sacrifice things like weapons payload, fuel carriage, higher crew workload. E.t.c plus short time on station. The gripen can only dash in and out of the theather to re fuel or rearm. Look below for istar king of Africa.

Swing-role aircraft.

This three words destroy your argument.

NaijaPikinGidi:


Which Games Reserve did you emerge from?

Which slum did you emerge from? Makoko?

Henry120:
The ATR-42 and J-10B would the perfect match made in heaven.

J-10B, Rafale, Eurofighter typhoon, F-16 block 60 and SU-35 are all the same class of fighters.

They are
in different classes.

The Russian need a new fighter like they did with their tras.h MBT fleet, introducing the new T-14 MBT.

agaugust:


Actually from Cape Town to Cairo, NO air force has ISTAR power to compare with NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, no close rival !

Egypt and Algeria only have older 1980s Beechcraft for ISTAR, Egypt has E-2 Hawkeye for AWACS, it cannot do real ATR-42`s job.

ALL AFRICA bows to NAF ATR-42 surveyor....mighty surveyor with 407 km radar range , Nigeria is in the big league of world super powers !
.

ISTAR does not give you power over another fully fledged military other than just militia groups. All those countries which still possess older tech in respect of ISTAR will all harass Nigeria in a battle. They will defeat you with your luxurious ATR42 and turn you into their slaves.

Henry120:
The ATR-42 and J-10B would the perfect match made in heaven.

J-10B, Rafale, Eurofighter typhoon, F-16 block 60 and SU-35 are all the same class of fighters.

What about Gripen E?

Patchesagain:


Gripen

Kondor-E satelight (an actual military reconnaissance satellite)

Thales ground search radars

are you okay? or just being the typical liar patches.

gripen = carries recon pod to sacrifice weapons load. and not half as comparable in endurance, range etc... to ATR

condor = Funny... i won't bother

ground search radar = really? for ISTAR? like.. REALLY?

patches = clown of the thread.

stillchris:


and the sad thing is that your comment comes off like a wounded spoilt dumb brat with brain drain problem.

having accepted the obvious, you resort to this pettiness. smh

ATR42 without tactical data link that integrate other platforms cannot communicate with other systems in real time and warn them about BH activities. You must have been a fool with acquiring such a tech without a dedicated tactical data link. What a loss!! If mighty Egypt cannot do it because they do not have data link, what of a stupidd Nigeria?

SA is the only country on the continent that can make their ISTAR to be perfectly integrated with all their platforms in real time because they developed their own tactical data link that can as well as today access LINK 11 of NATO.

Nigeria's ATR42 does not benefit military at all, it was just another wasteful transaction. When it sees the enemy, it cannot relate the information to other systems in real time. When it sees the enemy, F7s and other platforms cannot see anything and unfortunately it will have to communicate with ground stations in order to locate the enemy which is very time consuming. By the time it gets to the enemies' position, it would find the enemy already disappeared through thin air.

In the whole of Africa there is no African as wasteful as a Nigerian. Any scrap or advanced tech presented on them they would fall for it without having done feasibility study to test if they have all the facilities needed to procure a certain tech. All that they enjoy is spend and spend, over and over. They just look like a destitute and poor family that would want to own Porsche or Lambogini even when the conditions does not allow them to do so. They should master Maslow's hierarchy of needs by heart. They will want to boast satellites and ISTAR when they do not have basics, things that they will require to physically tackle BH.

FighterPilot:


ATR42 without tactical data link that integrate other platforms cannot communicate with other systems in real time and warn them about BH activities. You must have been a fool with acquiring such a tech without a dedicated tactical data link. What a loss!! If mighty Egypt cannot do it because they do not have data link, what of a stupidd Nigeria?

SA is the only country on the continent that can make their ISTAR to be perfectly integrated with all their platforms in real time because they developed their own tactical data link that can as well as today access LINK 11 of NATO.

oh.. sorry... i forgot you are a dunce who can't understand simple things.

BBC reporter tobi oladipo and some other Nigerian journalists were taken onboard the ATR when the military was prepping to retake a town frim boko haram.

according to the channels reporter onboardd.." the ATR was relaying cordinates of enemy positions to troops on ground for artillery fire.
that's one.

secondly... Nigeriam military commanders get realtime video coverage at DHQ from one of our ISTAR platforms during the heated battles to reclaim territories.

i have given two instances of Nigeria's operational data link usage.

now be a good boy and give us south african one. not frim news articles.

ode oshi

FighterPilot:
In the whole of Africa there is no African as wasteful as a Nigerian. Any scrap or advanced tech presented on them they would fall for it without having done feasibility study to test if they have all the facilities needed to procure a certain tech. All that they enjoy is spend and spend, over and over. They just look like a destitute and poor family that would want to own Porsche or Lambogini even when the conditions does not allow them to do so. They should master Maslow's hierarchy of needs by heart. They will want to boast satellites and ISTAR when they do not have basics, things that they will require to physically tackle BH.

FighterPilot:
In the whole of Africa there is no African as wasteful as a Nigerian. Any scrap or advanced tech presented on them they would fall for it without having done feasibility study to test if they have all the facilities needed to procure a certain tech. All that they enjoy is spend and spend, over and over. They just look like a destitute and poor family that would want to own Porsche or Lambogini even when the conditions does not allow them to do so. They should master Maslow's hierarchy of needs by heart. They will want to boast satellites and ISTAR when they do not have basics, things that they will require to physically tackle BH.

tantrum from an overgrown brat with poor intellectual capacity to engage objectively. what a pity

stillchris:



tanteums from a brat with poor intellectual capacity to engage objectively. what a pity

The truth hurts. Your military looks like someone who lives in a shack or mud house yet is dressed in Italian fashion and drives a flashy car.

stillchris:


oh.. sorry... i forgot you are a dunce who can't understand simple things.

BBC reporter tobi oladipo and some other Nigerian journalists were taken onboard the ATR when the military was prepping to retake a town frim boko haram.

according to the channels reporter onboardd.." the ATR was relaying cordinates of enemy positions to troops on ground for artillery fire.
that's one.

secondly... Nigeriam military commanders get realtime video coverage at DHQ from one of our ISTAR platforms during the heated battles to reclaim territories.

i have given two instances of Nigeria's operational data link usage.

now be a good boy and give us south african one. not frim news articles.

ode oshi

What does a reporter know about a military stuffs? Of course, the data stations related the information through radios and rather the ground forces did not see the enemy position on the monitors themselves.

In SANDF our ground forces see the enemy themselves in real time on their own monitors. Our ground forces uses cytoons which your poverty stricken forces have none.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9351/

FighterPilot:


What does a reporter know about a military stuffs? Of course, the data stations related the information through radios and rather the ground forces did not see the enemy position on the monitors themselves.

In SANDF our ground forces see the enemy themselves in real time on their own monitors. Our ground forces uses cytoons which your poverty stricken forces have none.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9351/

go back and read my comment you replied to again, then come back qnd read your response.

you'll realize your brain is getting older than your age.

and your ground radar is in no way up to Nigeria's ATR-2 or any ISTAR platforms we have.

you are still behind

agaugust:

Actually from Cape Town to Cairo, NO air force has ISTAR power to compare with NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, no close rival !
Egypt and Algeria only have older 1980s Beechcraft for ISTAR, Egypt has E-2 Hawkeye for AWACS, it cannot do real ATR-42`s job.
ALL AFRICA bows to NAF ATR-42 surveyor....mighty surveyor with 407 km radar range , Nigeria is in the big league of world super powers !
.

Dan uwa na, you no dey show again for that naa? Kilosele? Mo notice wipe o dabi wipe iwo ati awon kan fe ma tango every time. Na wetin sele be dat abi other reasons ?

Well, mo miss contributions e gan o.

stillchris:


are you okay? or just being the typical liar patches.

gripen = carries recon pod to sacrifice weapons load. and not half as comparable in endurance, range etc... to ATR

condor = Funny... i won't bother

ground search radar = really? for ISTAR? like.. REALLY?

patches = clown of the thread.

One gripen operating in the ISTAR role can be supported by multiple gripen which are "bombed up"

And a gripen in the ISTAR role can still carry munitions - unlike the ATR

Kondor complies with the definition with istar

Thales ground search is part of the systems employed by the tactical intelligence regiment which fullfills its ISTAR capabilities - or you didnt know that the majority of ISTAR units are ground based?

stillchris:


oh.. sorry... i forgot you are a dunce who can't understand simple things.

BBC reporter tobi oladipo and some other Nigerian journalists were taken onboard the ATR when the military was prepping to retake a town frim boko haram.

according to the channels reporter onboardd.." the ATR was relaying cordinates of enemy positions to troops on ground for artillery fire.
that's one.

secondly... Nigeriam military commanders get realtime video coverage at DHQ from one of our ISTAR platforms during the heated battles to reclaim territories.

i have given two instances of Nigeria's operational data link usage.

now be a good boy and give us south african one. not frim news articles.

ode oshi

Multiple have been provided
And these instances have displayed capabilities that you do not possess

stillchris:


go back and read my comment you replied to again, then come back qnd read your response.

you'll realize your brain is getting older than your age.

and your ground radar is in no way up to Nigeria's ATR-2 or any ISTAR platforms we have.

you are still behind

Wait what?

Are you being serious?

stillchris:


oh.. sorry... i forgot you are a dunce who can't understand simple things.

BBC reporter tobi oladipo and some other Nigerian journalists were taken onboard the ATR when the military was prepping to retake a town frim boko haram.

according to the channels reporter onboardd.." the ATR was relaying cordinates of enemy positions to troops on ground for artillery fire.
that's one.

secondly... Nigeriam military commanders get realtime video coverage at DHQ from one of our ISTAR platforms during the heated battles to reclaim territories.

i have given two instances of Nigeria's operational data link usage.

now be a good boy and give us south african one. not frim news articles.

ode oshi

Tactical data link.

Go read about the Selex ES Airborne Tactical Observation And Surveillance Systems(ATOS) on your ATR-42MP Surveyor, then you'll realise you it can do those things. NOTHING MORE!

stillchris:


go back and read my comment you replied to again, then come back qnd read your response.

you'll realize your brain is getting older than your age.

and your ground radar is in no way up to Nigeria's ATR-2 or any ISTAR platforms we have.

you are still behind

Your ATR-42MP uses the Seaspray surveillance radar.