baralatie:

there is a joke we share in the romance section.it goes like " if you want to propose to a lady and get a positive answer.take her into a canoe and paddle to.. the middle of the ocean(just the two of you),then pop the question......will you marry me.
guess the answer!

Lol, interesting.

baralatie:

do you classify Grey as sane?

He is sane. Very sane.

cococandy:


Don't mind this OP.

Le Sigh

Lol, dude doesn't even know what he's saying.

No be small Le sigh.

baralatie:

it is Bondage,Domination,sadonism,masochism
it is an abusive form of relationship!

Don't mind freecocoa, she forgot that Grey suffered this same dominant/submissive abuse from his mother's friend.

freecocoa:
You are funny o, your analogy doesn't even make any sense despite my going with it, which sane man will even propose to a girl hoping to kill her if she says no to even start with?

Anastacia knew what was involved, there was no deceit, like grey was the only wealthy man to ever ask her out? Do you know how many passes a beautiful woman gets everyday?

"She went with Grey because the attraction was mutual"(remember simple deceit).

and she even healed his tortured soul in the end.

Domination in the bedroom is not abuse, don't get it twisted.

it is Bondage,Domination,sadonism,masochism
it is an abusive form of relationship!

baralatie:

it is Bondage,Domination,sadonism,masochism
it is an abusive form of relationship!

It is so not when it is between two consenting adults, who are you to determine what people like in bed?

tintingz:
Don't mind freecocoa, she forgot that Grey suffered this same dominant/submissive abuse from his mother's friend.

Grey was a minor, so you can say he was abused, only because he was not of the age of consent.

freecocoa:
He is sane. Very sane.

ehn! what part of his definition of pain on his slave "sane"

tintingz:
The nature of the contract given to her is abusive.

She accepted the deal because the guy is good looking, rich... the opposite of that is a no for her.

And apart from that she want adventure(most ladies want an adventurous relationship), she wants to know the psychology behind the dominant/submissive thing, remember she asked how will he punish her if she disobey him and so on...

I don't know why this is hard for you to understand, how did you come to the conclusion that she would have said no, was he not good looking?

The fact that you call it an adventure, something a person is willing to try, proves it's not abuse.

freecocoa:
It is so not when it is between two consenting adults, who are you to determine what people like in bed?

someone derives satisfaction by inflicting pain on another person like a man with his slave is now considered romantic!

baralatie:

ehn!
what part of his definition of pain on his slave "sane"

It is role playing my friend, his submissive is to let him know when he's hurting her, he didn't do whatever she wasn't comfortable with, abeg I don tire.

freecocoa:
He is sane. Very sane.

He's not very sane, he has a psychological problem, mental disorder.

baralatie:

someone derives satisfaction by inflicting pain on another person like a man with his slave is now considered romantic!

Ever heard of sweet pain? There is a bearable amount of pain for everyone, he didn't go beyond her limit, she enjoyed it too, it goes both ways.

freecocoa:
Grey was a minor, so you can say he was abused, only because he was not of the age of consent.

And why was he demonstrating same torture to other women just to feel...?

tintingz:
He's not very sane, he has a psychological problem, mental disorder.

I answered based on his preference in the bedroom, my bad.

Grey was a tortured soul alright, given that he was controlling and also a stalker, but the argument here is that, BD$M is not abuse.

tintingz:
And why was he demonstrating same torture to other women just to feel...?

He grew to love that type of sex, that's just what happened, it's just natural that when you perform a particular activity often, you may get to love it.

Being exposed to sex before he was ready and by someone older, definitely affected him, but that doesn't prove that BD$M is abuse, Grey is only but one man out of the millions of people into such kinky sex.

You do know that women also dominate, right?

freecocoa:
Ever heard of sweet pain? There is a bearable amount of pain for everyone, he didn't go beyond her limit, she enjoyed it too, it goes both ways.

they are getting the pain part! the sweet of pain is called "illusion".
grey enjoyed inflicting the pain,she was seduced to enjoy the pain. nothing sweet.

freecocoa:
I don't know why this is hard for you to understand, how did you come to the conclusion that she would have said no, was he not good looking?

What if the bolded is opposite and Grey is poor will she say yes?

The fact that you call it an adventure, something a person is willing to try, proves it's not abuse.

Proves is abuse because Anna can't take the torture, pain anymore she has to leave.

This is the kind of thing that happen in many marriages, endure abuse and divorce later.

freecocoa:
He grew to love that type of sex, that's just what happened, it's just natural that when you perform a particular activity often, you may get to love it.

Being exposed to sex before he was ready and by someone older, definitely affected him, but that doesn't prove that BD$M is abuse, Grey is only but one man out of the millions of people into such kinky sex.

You do know that women also dominate, right?

women with dominate tendencies,that is why I took to my heels when I met one.

Thank You Jesus!

baralatie:

they are getting the pain part! the sweet of pain is called "illusion".
grey enjoyed inflicting the pain,she was seduced to enjoy the pain. nothing sweet.

If she enjoys the pain as you said, then it is not abuse, abuse is not to be enjoyed my friend.

freecocoa:
If she enjoys the pain as you said, then it is not abuse, abuse is not to be enjoyed my friend.

seduced.....that means a calculated attempt achieved to make it justified bit is not.

tintingz:
What if the bolded is opposite and Grey is poor will she say yes?

Proves is abuse because Anna can't take the torture, pain anymore she has to leave.

This is the kind of thing that happen in many marriages, endure abuse and divorce later.

I asked you a question, how did you arrive at the conclusion that she would have said no, if Grey was not easy on the eyes and rich?

She was warming up to it, it was all new to her, she eventually got comfortable.

Seems you only know about the first part of the book.

freecocoa:
If she enjoys the pain as you said, then it is not abuse, abuse is not to be enjoyed my friend.

do you understand the psychology of a trained slave!

baralatie:

seduced.....that means a calculated attempt achieved to make it justified bit is not.

Seduction happens in every aspect of romantic relationships, why are you trying to restrict it to this?

It is just like how people in your average relationship, seduce each other, why is that not considered abuse too?

baralatie:

do you understand the psychology of a trained slave!

Oh! Please, Anna was no slave, she had a choice.

baralatie:

women with dominate tendencies,that is why I took to my heels when I met one.

Thank You Jesus!

Lol, you are a clown.

freecocoa:
Seduction happens in every aspect of romantic relationships, why are you trying to restrict it to this?

It is just like how people in your average relationship, seduce each other, why is that not considered abuse too?

seduction in your comment is the art of attraction.....

to seduce in my comment is to deceive into submission!

freecocoa:
Lol, you are a clown.

aagh!serious o!
I was naive back then.I met this light skinned pretty lady.I was attracted instantly.okay fast forward to bedroom.I was seated on a chair,she corner me next thing.......na bedroom slap o(the look on my face was like....ehn.
she was like getting into mood( something just told me that ...hmmmm,better run!
guess,the next thing.I just killed anything mood .the thing way make me comet that room.hian.............!!!!

freecocoa:
He grew to love that type of sex, that's just what happened, it's just natural that when you perform a particular activity often, you may get to love it.

Being exposed to sex before he was ready and by someone older, definitely affected him, but that doesn't prove that BD$M is abuse, Grey is only but one man out of the millions of people into such kinky sex.

Are you saying Grey doesn't know what he's doing is torture and abusive? or why was he giving Anna papers to sign and all that.

You do know that women also dominate, right?

Yes they do.

freecocoa:
Oh! Please, Anna was no slave, she had a choice.

she cannot even double date set! where the choice wan happen!

tintingz:

Are you saying Grey doesn't know what he's doing is torture and abusive? or why was he giving Anna papers to sign and all that.

Yes they do.

Na wa for you my guy. Grey knew that it was not your regular kind of sex, therefore he needed consent, it is not regarded as abusive torture as you claim, by the persons involved.

baralatie:

she cannot even double date set! where the choice wan happen!

I meant as regards the level of pain she could take.

She didn't need to double date, they were exclusive.