₦airaland Forum

Fulaman198:
Yes just like Wassolou are Fulanis mixed with Mande. Wodaabe are indeed Mbororo'en. Atiku Abubakar is from Adamawa, correct. But Adamawa is also a very interesting state as it is comprised of many different ethnicities.

Yes but he is Fulani

Takamba:
I know that you are Wodaabe and I understand your concern for your people. But Wodaabes are about 3 millions reparted in 5 countries, some of them have started to emigrate in DR Congo from centrafrique. They are a minority what about the majority?

Well dear, in general the Fulani dialect in Nigeria sounds like that :-D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECQ36nJ00s

Takamba:
Wassoulous are famous for their inability to speak fulbe in Mali. A lot of their ancestors have been exterminated that's why.

Got it

Takamba:
Yes but he is Fulani

You are right

Fulaman198:
Well dear, in general the Fulani dialect in Nigeria sounds like that :-D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECQ36nJ00s

Seyno allah Mougn is the title of the movie... What does mougn means? Are these people bororo? Nice language though, I like the music at the beginning

Takamba:
So I imagine that you are aware of the bloodlines of the "pure" Fulanis? I guess you know that they exist fulani maccudos (slaves), who are slaves but fulanis in origin. A very powerful figure of my country was recently dubbed to be one (I won't cite his name, don't want to end up in jail).

Wade crossed the line on that one.

Fulaman198:
I don't know how the Senegalese Fulbe classify the Tukulor, but one Senegalese Fulani once told me that Tukulors and Fulbe typically don't get along that they are our enemies (I don't know if that is true because I have some Tukulor friends on Facebook and they are very friendly to me). However, he said that despite the fact we speak the same language and often the Tukulor are referred to as sub-group of Fulbe.

Do you consider someone like Demba Ba for example a Tukulor or actual Fulani? He only spoke Pulaar/Fulfulde at home when growing up. To me, I consider them Fulani, but to some other Fulani in Nigeria, they view them as Rimaybe (like Julde Camara).

The thing about the Tukulor is that they don't practise real Pulaaku. Most of them are Fishermen living on the border of Senegal and Mauritania (like Baaba Maal for example who hails from Podor). As you know Fulbe are renowned for being Waynaabe (herdsmen). The only real distinction between the Tukulor and the typical Fulani is mainly in cultural practises. One is a Fisherman, the other is a Herdsman.

Any Tukulor living outside of Senegal identifies as Pullo or Pullo Torodo. And today in Senegal, there are all described a Pullo by the administration. There is no separation.

Takamba:
Our ennemies: A big word, I guess the "our" is you pullos hehe. El hadj Omar was a typical tukulor, if you know the man well you'll understand. I don't think tukulors need validations from other fulani. Go to fouta tooro and repeat your phrase to any toucoulor, I don't dare to do it, but you can try.
Tukulors are pullos, yes they are a subgroup because most of them are sedentary. They are not a recent group Ndiadiane Ndiaye mother was Toucouleur and Ndiadiane was born in the 11th century. They insist to differentiate themselves because they are special people, I don't want to badmouth them .

Demba Ba mother is Soninke. He is both by bloodline: Toucouleur/Soninke. What he defines himself culturally I wouldn't know as I don't know him personnally, but I think he is pretty close to the Toucouleur side.

Demba Ba is Pullo. He even said that his parents forbid him from speaking any other language at home but Pulaar.
You can look it up.

Takamba:
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True, but to make it clear the only reason why senegalese fulani sounds so different to you is because fulani basically originate from the fouta valley as you know. Now I've heard fanciful assertions (not from you or omar bah) about fulani culture and people. It's not that complicated.
From the desertification of sahara to the end of the Tekrour empires; fulani, wolofs, soninke, moors, serer and all these groups lived together. At that time fulani were not in contact with hausas or the other groups they live with today.
They were living with their neighbours and there have been intermixing among the different groups from that time. Intermixing in marriages, customs, languages etc
That form of fulani you hear (the senegalese) one was probably exported to other places during their different migrations and then it changed when it came in contact of other cultures, because whether we accept it or not fulani have never lived in isolation, they are a very open people, that is the reason why they have been able to conqueer all these kingdoms.
Now I understand your confusion because young fulanis of senegal and mauritania think that it is more swagg to speak wolof or to mix wolof with their language, there is thus a street style fulani version mixed with wolof, french or english words. It's the one you hear the most often with some young people.

Thank you for the compliment, I was thinking about myself when I said that non fulanis can look fulani. I look very fulani and yet I am not. So I understand your explanation about the looks.

Actually Futa Toro fulbe are very proud of their language. Anytime I would speak french to them in Senegal they would reply in Pulaar. No latter than two days ago I met one at the Masjid. They usually understand Guinean Pular easier than we understand them. It only takes a few weeks to get used to their accent. The words and structure of the language is the same, the prononciation is what changes.

Takamba:
Wassoulous are fulbe-mandingues, they are mixed somehow, but they retained their fulani culture.

True which is why Maninka still call them Fula even though they have lost the language. They did retain the culture and the cattle.

Takamba:
Wassoulous are famous for their inability to speak fulbe in Mali. A lot of their ancestors have been exterminated that's why.

Exterminated?
They lost the language due to living among Maninka and marrying there. They did build an empire there and many of them were warriors in Samory's conquest.

kaura5000:
O.k let me say fula slaves in America

Captives not slaves. A slave is a man that accept his condition.

If you say the Berbers look Semitic I'm inclined to agree with you because they are arabs, basically. Agains the fulanis do not look Semitic, they have their own unique look, a fulani man if he were pale would not look like a Semite.

If those dark fulbes truely have Mande link then the fulanis definitely adopted their language from them because the Mandes speak a Niger Congo language, based on how the fairer fulbes look, their original region is definitely further north from there and therefore could not have been the true speakers of fulfulde. Hausa in Nigeria is not an ethnicity, it's a tribe.

Berbers are NOT Arabs. It would be very insulting to say so.

Lol! Berbers are basically ARAbS mate, good examples are Karin benzema and Zinedine Zidane, can you differentiate them from ARAbS? But they're Berbers. Africa is indeed diverse, indeed the site of creation.

No they don't look your typical negroe, but so do many African ethnicities, that doesn't mean they look Semitic, just imagine them with a pale skin. Also even the purest fulbes hair is not soft or curly as a Semites, but in the Berbers case it is, they have the same shade of complexion and everything with Semites. Also, the protuding nose of a Semite is unlike that of the fulbes, if they had the complexion of a Semite,motherly look absolutely different, infact they'll look weird, that darker shade of theirs is part of their appeal.

Never in my life have I seen a tainted ethnicity like the hausa ethnicity. The most obvious fact is that Usually an ethnicity is supposed to have at least certain physical features, hausas in Nigeria do not, due to inter marriage and flexible principle. Once a person speaks hausa fluently he can claim hausa and you can't challenge it, some so called hausas may or not be aware of their true ancestry but they claim hausa, some even use it as a term to refer to all northern Nigerias, that's not what an ethnicity should be. I gave an example earlier with my family, none of my siblings look alike, we are all of different shades, it's like a circus show, and it's all thanks to inter marriage, it's like an Arab giving birth to a strawberry blonde with blue eyes which in normal circumstances is actually impossible. So I reiterate, hausa is not an ethnicity, it's a tribe of people who share the shame language and culture. But one can argue that ethnicities can be racially diverse but if you put it that way then the hausas in Nigeria can't be real Hausas if true Hausas from other countries exist. It's all very complicated.


See pictures below, a Berber, a pullo and a Jew (Semite), notice the difference and similarities.

There are no tribes in West Africa. You have ethnic groups.

Omarbah:
Exterminated?
They lost the language due to living among Maninka and marrying there. They did build an empire there and many of them were warriors in Samory's conquest.

Read the Monenembo passage on it. I forgot the page. They used to be "a la merci" of Bambara ''famas''. Read also Segou of Maryse Conde. The Wassoulou empire is pretty recent, way after their installation there and didn't last long.
It is because of Malinke assimilation that they have lost their language. A lot of warrors then fought for whoever could pay.

Omarbah:
True which is why Maninka still call them Fula even though they have lost the language. They did retain the culture and the cattle.

They have intermixed a lot too.

Omarbah:
True which is why Maninka still call them Fula even though they have lost the language. They did retain the culture and the cattle.

They are fulas, but mixed fulas who adopted Mandinka language.

Omarbah:
Actually Futa Toro fulbe are very proud of their language. Anytime I would speak french to them in Senegal they would reply in Pulaar. No latter than two days ago I met one at the Masjid. They usually understand Guinean Pular easier than we understand them. It only takes a few weeks to get used to their accent. The words and structure of the language is the same, the prononciation is what changes.

Some senegalese and mauritanians Fulanis told me that they couldn't understand easily guinean fulani, but guinean fulani understood their pulaar. I also think that guinean fulanis understand pretty quickly pulaar. Guess it works both ways...

Omarbah:
Wade crossed the line on that one.

You already know...

Omarbah:
Captives not slaves. A slave is a man that accept his condition.

I like your definition.

Takamba:
Some senegalese and mauritanians Fulanis told me that they couldn't understand easily guinean fulani, but guinean fulani understood their pulaar. I also think that guinean fulanis understand pretty quickly pulaar. Guess it works both ways...

Takamba( what does the name mean, I like it).
Sister, how do Senegalese feel about Guinea Fulbe? Unlike other foreigners, we are not called "Gnak" but is there any form of resentment?

Omarbah:
Takamba( what does the name mean, I like it).
Sister, how do Senegalese feel about Guinea Fulbe? Unlike other foreigners, we are not called "Gnak" but is there any form of resentment?

Takamba is a traditional songhai and tamachek music from north mali. The name just crossed my mind, plus I like the music
No guineans are not called niak, but I've heard other names. Overall I cannot speak for everyone, but there are mitigated feelings about them.
Senegalese appreciate guineans because they are hard working (they don't beg), unlike other nationalities.

I really admire the sense of brotherhood you fulbe have, I admire how you seek to connect with as many of your people as possible, regardless of borders. Lol! For me, the hausas living outside Nigeria, I can honestly say I don't really care about them, though I admit it'd be interesting to meet one.

Takamba:
Takamba is a traditional songhai and tamachek music from north mali. The name just crossed my mind, plus I like the music
No guineans are not called niak, but I've heard other names. Overall I cannot speak for everyone, but there are mitigated feelings about them.
Senegalese appreciate guineans because they are hard working (they don't beg), unlike other nationalities.

Other names such as?

Omarbah:
Other names such as?

I prone peace, I don't think it is fair to cite derogatory names. Let's just say the good impressions Senegalese have on Guineans. There sure are problems but problems exist everywhere.

Takamba:
I prone peace, I don't think it is fair to cite derogatory names. Let's just say the good impressions Senegalese have on Guineans. There sure are problems but problems exist everywhere.

Alright.

Fulaman198:
I am aware of the Maccube (slaves, maccudo for singular, maccube for plural). Do they monitor your connection in Senegal dear?

I'm not in Senegal right now, but you never know.

Takamba:
I'm not in Senegal right now, but you never know.

I have heard dare Fulaman tell Tukulor they are not fulbe lol, it would not end well in my opinion. Tukulors are very proud people. Fulbe in general are proud, sometimes TOO proud.

Omarbah:
Demba Ba is Pullo. He even said that his parents forbid him from speaking any other language at home but Pulaar.
You can look it up.

His mum is a Sarakhole from Koussanar in Tambacounda, only the dad is Haal Pulaar

Omarbah:
I have heard dare Fulaman tell Tukulor they are not fulbe lol, it would not end well in my opinion. Tukulors are very proud people. Fulbe in general are proud, sometimes TOO proud.

Lol I understand, he is not from the area. If he repeats the stuff about bloodline in front of an old Torodo!
Toucouleurs are crazy! Did you see how that guy's family called journalists from Le monde to avenge the insuld made to them. They were publicly saying that they had slaves in all the Fouta. Walay these people still live in the middle ages.
Do you know they were one of the reasons of the birth of Mauritania as a country?

Takamba:
His mum is a Sarakhole from Koussanar in Tambacounda, only the dad is Haal Pulaar

Sure but still his culture is that of fulbe.

Omarbah:
Sure but still his culture is that of fulbe.

Yes he looks like he is close to the Pullo side, but he is a true soninke too. Proud people