Over confidence made tinubu to underestimate saraki and that have cost dearly..

Saraki is just a front.
The real politicians tinubu should be worried about are those arewa politicians. They are out to clip his wings.

It's no longer a pdp and apc battle
It is now a regional thing and the north ( anpp and cpc) are out to reduce the influence of tinubu (acn) I much as the can.

Saraki wouldn't have won the seat of SP without the help of some top northern politicians....

Saraki is not the real threat if tinubu wants to regain is popularity he should first destroy those behind saraki.

Saraki is just a front the real enemies are those behind him.

lolababe331e:


He is party head yet he couldn't get enough support in his part and had to relay on help from PDP? Lol in Chinese . To emerge senete leader he had only 8votes from his own party, is that a party head

I am at a loss too! Anyway I will do an interesting thread tomorrow, if I have the chance...

Achilies:
Over confidence made tinubu to underestimate saraki and that have cost dearly..

Saraki is just a front.
The real politicians tinubu should be worried about are those arewa politicians. They are out to clip his wings.

It's no longer a pdp and apc battle
It is now a regional thing and the north ( anpp and cpc) are out to reduce the influence of tinubu (acn) I much as the can.

Saraki wouldn't have won the seat of SP without the help of some top northern politicians....

Saraki is not the real threat if tinubu wants to regain is popularity he should first destroy those behind saraki.

Saraki is just a front the real enemies are those behind him.

So all the Members of Reps from Kastina, Kano, Zamafara, Jigawa etc we saw clearly on TV trying to break Dogara's head are all anti Tinubu? Learners!!!

worldmoney:
although I see tinubu as a fine politician who goes after his interest but if truth is to be told saraki will win tinubu with a landslide in ss/se

Not only SS/SE now in SW I can assure you that. Tinubu don't create influence he buy influence which makes him a bad leader BUT Obasanjo create influence which makes him a Nationalist. Even in is farm without bribing he can install, forestall and forcast influence. That's why politicians will continue to visit him. Right now in Africa, obasanjo remain a force internationally. Someone that went to Bukina faso then to stop the coup with just a single warning. That's a leader with influence not a mere ex governor ruining state's to buy influence. That's what barcanista fails to acknowledge

I've always known only an FC Barcelona fan can be this objective in matters beyond soccer...

nice piece

horlabiyi:
did I hear you say Tinubu rose without the help of no godfather? Do you know Awolowo, MKO? Go figure

his he the only only politician who work with Awo and Abiola, where is omoboriowo and others

kinibigdeal:
Whenever I see this Barcanista make a write up, I laugh as I take my cup of tea to highlights some of is dogmatic analysis. The greatest irony I have ever read in life is for someone to say Musiliu obanikoro is a product of Tinubu and that Tinubu defeated Funsho williams to get the then AD governorship ticket (what a truthful nonsense!). Anyway, I don't have such energy and time for a counter thread or a backup gladdened article. Obanikoro was never a product of Tinubu, infact Tinubu and Obanikoro was a colleague in the 1993 struggle with history and findings revealing that both initiated the establishment of ACN. That Tinubu defeated Funsho williams is nothing but an Alibaba folktale. Both contested the party primaries(AD), Funsho william defeated Tinubu by a wide margin BUT a consensus was later reached through Tinubu's adopted mother (Late Abibatu Mogaji) to allow him run for the party due to his past antecedents. That agreement was the fall of AD. Funsho williams left and some of his loyalist comprising of the said Musiliu obanikoro. I don't think I have much time to start typing implacable history. Back to the points on Saraki and Tinubu, you seem to claim Neutrality in your analysis but I can tell you that you are rather one-sided with inflammatory conclusions. Take a look at this and tell me if you haven't created a rather partial inference


On saraki

1. Saraki was a MERE appointees
2. He was to be elected as kwara state governor not on his own but solely on his father
3. Saraki ascension to senate presidency is not due to is political commando but PDP compromise
4. Saraki influence and power starts and ends inside the senate chamber(you seems not to understand the constitution bro)
5. I DON'T thin saraki can boost of influential loyalist
6. Saraki is a PSYCHOPANT

Tinubu(praise)

1. Tinubu RISE to power (You mean with only is own influence)
2. Was associated with 1993 struggle
3. He OUTSMART afenifere(you call betrayer outsmart, then saraki outsmart APC)
4.His leaving crumbles the party forever(how about funsho williams)
5. Gave atiku POLITICAL LIFELINE(you mean a mere governor gave an Ex. Vice president and a man active under buhari's military regime a political lifeline)
6. Tinubu won Lagos state in a landslide thanks to is political structure
7. Adam oshiomole seek REFUGE in ACN because LP won't help him dislodge PDP(So he just won because he was never popular and influential, he actually won not because of tinubu but is influence as at that time. Individual wins vote not part)

Now judge yourself

Well point of correction, on Obanikoro I said Koro was an Ally and a former commissioner under Tinubu. Now to address your question on Funsho williams. Firstly, Funsho left AD in 2003. Koro left AD in 2005. In fact, Koro was elected Senator under AD in 2003 while Funso lost 2003 Guber to Tinubu. Funsho's exit didn't crumble AD as AD stood firm and defeated him in 2003. But since Tinubu Éxit, AD became history. Obanikoro won the Senatorial ticket in 2003 because of his good stewardship as Home Affairs Commissioner and his relationship with Tinubu. Did Tinubu betray Afenifere? There was a power play over the control of structure, Tinubu left them with his followers. As for Saraki, he isn't the first SP but I can list 6 SPs that has come and gone without having prominence. As for Saraki's betrayal that is out of question.

By the way: there is a big difference between someone that controls political structure and someone that occupies political office

mikeansy:
I don't have all the facts about how Buhari won but from what I can deduce from the recent happenings I am tempted to think some people feel Tinubu's role in Buhari election is exaggerated.

Will Buhari have won if Jega was not INEC chair? Did Jega craft a process to install his kinsman based on they are both from same axis? Is this why Tinubu is being cut to size?

How many votes did Buhari get in 2011 and how many did APC get in 2015 and hence is Tinubu really great as much as he thinks?

Time shall tell and the facts will be layed bare!

For those us that understood the politics of Tinubu's sell out to GEJ in 2011 to betray Bakare and the alliance with CPC, we know that APC cannot stand or win the Presidential elections without Tinubu political and financial support

barcanista of all people, I comment my reserve... Hmmmm I smell fish...



Hala Madrid..

barcanista:
I read an article on Nairaland that drew comparism between Senate President Bukola Saraki and Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu. Being a pro-pdp commentator and a campaigner for Saraki's Senate Presidency, some may expect me to naturally be on the side of the Saraki. But this will not be so because I can't live in self deception.

Yes, Bola Tinubu was a Senator, two term Governor of Lagos state and political godfather of the state. Saraki on the other hand is the incumbent SP, a two term Governor of Kwara state and the political godfather of the state. However, there are more to this.

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For those that aren't aware, Bola Tinubu rise to power as Lagos state governor in 1999 was associated with his 1993 democratic struggle against IBB first and later Sani Abacha. The AD 1999 contest was direct struggle between the favored late engineer Funso Williams and the political activist Bola Tinubu. Tinubu as at then had little political structure but somehow beat the late engineer to the AD ticket. In 2003 he somehow outsmarted some Afenifere leaders of the Alliance for Democracy (AD) and got re-elected, all other five AD incumbent governors bowed to the power of PDP. He consolidated his hold on power by dismantling the existing Afenifere structure in the party by forming the Action Congress in 2006 with the absorption of two mushroom parties-Justice party(JP) and Advance Congress of Democrats (ACD). His leaving AD crumbled the party forever.

In 2006 Bola Tinubu led AC gave embattled Vice President Atiku Abubakar a political lifeline after the Turaki Alhaji was whipped to size by then President Olusegun Obasanjo. Atiku had to defect to AC along with his loyalist Governor of Adamawa state Mr Boni Haruna. Also to defect were Chief Audu Ogbeh former National Chairman of PDP from Benue state. During the 2007 election run-up, Tinubu media tried to polish Atiku's image to counter the negative image from the FG as Atiku was the AC Presidential candidate for 2007. Though Atiku won Lagos state in a landslide thanks to Tinubu structure, he lost Adamawa state (his home state) to Muhammadu Buhari. Atiku's AC candidate for the Adamawa guber election also lost woefully to PDP's Admiral Nyako.

In the run-up to 2007 general election, there was a major shakes in the Lagos state chapter of AC. Tinubu had "imposed" his unknown Chief of Staff Raji Fashola as his party's governorship candidate over heavyweights like Senator Tokunbo Afikuyomi, Mr Jimi Agbaje, Hon Ganiyu Solomon, Dep Gov Femi Pedro etc. Jimi left to fly the flag of DPA, Pedro was given the flag of LP, Afikuyomi was given the ANPP flag(he later returned to AC on election eve) while Solomon was compensated with a Senatoral ticket of AC. Tinubu's AC still managed to win the Guber and all Senate seats. The unknown Raji Fashola became Governor courtesy Tinubu. Not just that, Bola Tinubu deployed his loyalists Rauf Aregbesola to Osun state to unseat incumbent Olagunsoye Oyinlola of PDP. Fayemi was also deployed to Ekiti state where he defeated Segun Oni (credit to Ayo Fayose support). It was Tinubu legal machinery led by Yemi Osinbajo that fought to help LP's Rahman Mimiko to unseat PDP's Segun Agagu. Adams Oshiomole had to seek refuge in AC in 2007 when he saw that the LP can't help him dislodge PDP from Edo Government house.

The 2010 Atiku's exit of AC gave Tinibu a major setback. Nevertheless, his AC/ACN managed to sweep all SW states but Ondo state and also got a Senatorial seat from PDP's stronghold-Benue state in the 2011 election. As at today, Bola Tinubu controls the APC structure in the entire South except Rivers and Imo states.

In his political sojourn, Bola Tinubu has churned out prominent names like Sen Musliu Obanikoro (a former ally and Commissioner under Tinubu), Raji Fashola (a former governor that rode to power via Tinubu's benevolence), Rauf Aregbesola (Incumbent Governor of Osun state), Kayode Fayemi (defeated exGovernor of Ekiti state), and even VP Yemi Osinbajo is in power thanks to Tinubu.

Zeezy99:
Barcanista i disagree completely. First of all, these guys are both politicians not some skilled footballer that solely depends on their flair, these guys depend on the ppl and are at the mercy of popular opinion, ones the ppl stop liking you no matter how smart and influential you once were you're done. Secondly, Saraki and Tinubu these guys both want to be president one day so the senate presidency and Tinubus fancy political résumé is just a means to an end, my point is from were we stand today saraki seems to be winning the war. Judging from recent events it will be safe to assume that the south east and south south will favour a saraki presidency over a tinubu one. Saraki also has a considerable amount of influence in the north that i believe he will stand a good chance even against tinubu, in the southwest tinubu has enough enemies that will undermine him and give saraki a whole lot respectable result even from that zone. In all tinubu was great once, but now he has passed his heydays and saraki is the new rising sun

My brother ur head dey there. U correct die! Tinubu was once powerful, but Tinubu is no longer powerful...his reign has expired. As simple as that.

One thing that the OP didn't mention is that....both of them are not indegene of Lagos and Kwara. Tinubu hail from Iragbiji in Osun State while Saraki is from Ogun state before his father come to Kwara to be Godfather.

NgeneUkwenu:


How is he the head of his party please? At least we learn everyday...

I meant that he is now also part of the party leadership.

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NgeneUkwenu:


So all the Members of Reps from Kastina, Kano, Zamafara, Jigawa etc we saw clearing on TV trying to break Dogara's head are all anti Tinubu? Learners!!!

My dear all those things na public display o. Nothing more.

Do u honestly think that saraki would have been elected as SP without the backing of some heavy weights?

Tinubu should not underestimate any politician in a federal level..

Ask yourself this.
Who called those 51apc senators to icc for a meeting?.

And how come only only tinubu loyalist seems to be the only once who attended the so called meeting?

duality:


I meant that he is now also part of the party leadership.

Ok Better! I will do a thread on that tomorrow!

why are we comparing death with sleep? who's saraki compared with jagaban? Hmmmm!!

oladele97:
God bless you......saraki rose with the help of obasnjo and his father
Tinubu in the other way round has no political God father

tinubu would never have been the governor of lagos state ,if not for the fact the he begged and begged baba adesanya and co then to change the results of AD primaries to favour him .it was funsho williams that won the AD governorship in house primaries then but he had to be appeased because of the fact that tinubu spent heavily on nadeco and AD ,and the only way to compensate him was the ticket. Then baba adesanya ,faale and co were the political godfathers then and also yoruba leaders,tinubu rode on their platform and later destroyed it in order to create his own .

NgeneUkwenu:


Ok Better! I will do a thread on that tomorrow!

will be waiting to read it.

Achilies:
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My dear all those things na public display o. Nothing more.

Do u honestly think that saraki would have been elected as SP without the backing of some heavy weights?

Tinubu should not underestimate any politician in a federal level..

Ask yourself this.
Who called those 51apc senators to icc for a meeting?.

And how come only only tinubu loyalist seems to be the only once who attended the so called meeting?

How many times, will I lecture you guys that, what Saraki did was no brainer? It takes an elementary treachery and betrayal skill to pull it off. Even a deaf and dumb can pull that off.

Do you think if APC Had supported Saraki, PDP would have voted him instead of Lawan?

Remember PDP had stated in their retreat that they were waiting to see who APC backs, so that they can vote enblock for their opponent. And you cannot begrudge PDP on that, at least having 49 Senators is not something you can wave off.

Saraki betrayed his party simple!

This is barcanista when he chooses to be objective and not just write to support his party interest. My friend barca, you will do much better when you decide to write always on a neutral ground.

@topic

I have never been a fan of Tinubu but I laugh when people compare Saraki to Tunubu. Politically Tinubu is thousands of miles away from Saraki. When Saraki forms his party and has 2 more states in addition to Kwara under his party then I will begin to see him as an heavyweight. Presently he is only Kwara godfather like Adedibu used to be at Oyo; thanks to Amala politics which has been re-branded by Fayose as Stomach infrastructure.

As it stands Saraki is on a dangerous ground, everyone is now dealing with him with care and he cannot be trusted by any party. Should APC expel him, I doubt he can find a home in PDP and he is not grounded enough to start his own party.

My take even though tinubu has more weight so was saraki's father, when he tried to impose his daughter, saraki's sister on kwara saraki won him. So will saraki win tinubu. Goliath thought he was everything until he met david.

Duality, I understand what you mean but I tell you that a man like Saraki does not deserve PDP lifeline. I also believe we shouldn't really back him so as not be seen as rewarding treacherous people and backstabbers. GEJ gave all to Saraki yet he stabbed him. Tinubu have no such history and honestly, I have no sympathy for Saraki

duality:
Most threads by barcanista is usually filled with insults and personal attacks. those who support tinubu never see anything objective about it.
Now he writes this and he is seen to be objective with to insults... I I don't get it. Is it because he is praising tinubu? Tinubu does not deserve this kind of praise at this point. It has nothing to do with objectivity or balance. Every politician have his or her cross and they should carry it.
This writeup by barcanista is absolutely unnecessary if he, in no way supports Tinubu.(he has a right to support anyone). This piece gives credence to the speculation that the war in APC today is all about tinubu's power and influence being challenged. If not, why will a smart barcanista go to give tinubu's battered political face a media first aid at this point. Is it to appease those who do not spare words when attacking him? How many people supporting tinubu is objective.not even his political first son fashola. Is it nairaland trolls that will be objective.
Saraki for now is the Senate president. Tinubu and his supporters should live with it. Saraki is now part of the leadership of APC. Tinubu have no direct business with the Senate. If he wants anything he should go through saraki who now double as both party and legislative head. This thread is an unsolicited first aid to tinubu's bloodied nose. It's absolutely unnecessary.

u make sense bro.....a totally unbiased view

barcanista:
Duality, I understand what you mean but I tell you that a man like Saraki does not deserve PDP lifeline. I also believe we shouldn't really back him so as not be seen as rewarding treacherous people and backstabbers. GEJ gave all to Saraki yet he stabbed him. Tinubu have no such history and honestly, I have no sympathy for Saraki

Which Tinubu are you laundering his image? same Tinubu that collected 5b from Jonathan and betrayed his presidential candidate in 2011 or same Tinubu that sold the speaker ship that was zoned to SW to tambuwal?

Hahahahaaha! After campaigning for saraki to be senate president, you so suddenly turn around to support Tinubu. It seems as if you are for the highest Bidder at any point in time.

Since you said you are now trying to be neutral, should nigerians as a whole now accept Tinubu's imposition of senate president, deputy, HOR Speaker and deputy on all Nigerians? It seems to me that you are a mercantile on nairaland. Today you are for PDP, tomorrow APC, next tomorrow Tinubu, another day GEJ. Later you start to edit and delete your threads. Are you any different from the treacherous Saraki?

barcanista:
Duality, I understand what you mean but I tell you that a man like Saraki does not deserve PDP lifeline. I also believe we shouldn't really back him so as not be seen as rewarding treacherous people and backstabbers. GEJ gave all to Saraki yet he stabbed him. Tinubu have no such history and honestly, I have no sympathy for Saraki

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NgeneUkwenu:


How many times, will I lecture you guys that, what Saraki did was no brainer? It takes an elementary treachery and betrayal skill to pull it off. Even a deaf and dumb can pull that off.

Do you think if APC Had supported Saraki, PDP would have voted him instead of Lawan?

Remember PDP had stated in their retreat that they were waiting to see who APC backs, so that they can vote enblock for their opponent. And you cannot begrudge PDP on that, at least having 49 Senators is not something you can wave off.

Saraki betrayed his party simple!

Ok I hav heard u.

Barcanista simply just tell nairalanders you have gone back to APC and stop fooling yourself, APC have paid you to come launder Tinubus image and attack Saraki. I guess you have forgotten how you were supporting Saraki to become SP all of a sudden you are now praising Tinubu and attacking same Saraki you once supported. You are just a political jobber.

winniz:


Which Tinubu are you laundering his image? same Tinubu that collected 5b from Jonathan and betrayed his presidential candidate in 2011 or same Tinubu that sold the speaker ship that was zoned to SW to tambuwal?

What happened in 2011 was Tinubu an ACN man mobilising for a PDP rebel to spite PDP and for the interest of his party. That to me is not "backstabbing".

winniz:
Barcanista simply just tell nairalanders you have gone back to APC and stop fooling yourself, APC have paid you to come launder Tinubus image and attack Saraki. I guess you have forgotten how you were supporting Saraki to become SP all of a sudden you are now praising Tinubu and attacking same Saraki you once supported. You are just a political jobber.

Nobody paid me any money. For the record I've Never liked Saraki because of his deeds. My support for him was for the interest of PDP and not Saraki. In fact, it would have been the opposite if Saraki was the APC anointed. In the article I only laid matter to bare without singing anybody's praise and for the record, Saraki isn't a PDP man and is not a PDP asset. Saraki don't even deserve PDP's patronage or sympathy because of his antecedents. In fact, I will be the last person to sing his praise and I look forward to the day that he will be treated for what he is. PDP only need to use Saraki when they need to and dump him when the time comes. We don't need to be concerned of his political fortune or misfortune.

You just nailed it.thats the truth nothing but the truth..I use to say this.if Mohammed Lawal is to be alive the Saraki clan would have been history by now.

Eshinwaju:


The truth is that deep inside......the protection seeker can and is reasonable but....he has so far boxed himself into such a position that he now has to write silly articles in order to remain relevant......just wish he will be brave enough to be his real self again....

He has always been a PDP man from time immemorial.... We have pardoned his unfortunate and ill-advised misadventure to APC. He has seen the light and he is back to the fold now. Just like Saraki and his co-travellers will also return in due course. The era of chanting about voodoo change is gone

lurther:
Hahahahaaha! After campaigning for saraki to be senate president, you so suddenly turn around to support Tinubu. It seems as if you are for the highest Bidder at any point in time.

Since you said you are now trying to be neutral, should nigerians as a whole now accept Tinubu's imposition of senate president, deputy, HOR Speaker and deputy on all Nigerians? It seems to me that you are a mercantile on nairaland. Today you are for PDP, tomorrow APC, next tomorrow Tinubu, another day GEJ. Later you start to edit and delete your threads. Are you any different from the treacherous Saraki?

For the record I've Never liked Saraki because of his deeds. My support for him for SP position was for the interest of PDP and not Saraki. In fact, it would have been the opposite if Saraki was the APC anointed. In the article I only laid matter to bare without singing anybody's praise and for the record, Saraki isn't a PDP man and is not a PDP asset. Saraki don't even deserve PDP's patronage or sympathy because of his antecedents. In fact, I will be the last person to sing his praise and I look forward to the day that he will be treated for what he is. PDP only need to use Saraki when they need to and dump him when the time comes. We don't need to be concerned of his political fortune or misfortune.

As for treachery, I've never benefitted from any party whether APC or PDP. I've never been in the employ of any candidate. Any party that I decide to support should be grateful to me and if I decide to drop my support, the party or candidate should move on because I gave my support at my own volition. It would have been different IF after benefitting a lot from a party or candidate, I turn my back at that party or candidate. That is what treachery is. Meanwhile, I don't see how this article negatively affects PDP and I am still PDP.

barcanista:
Well point of correction, on Obanikoro I said Koro was an Ally and a former commissioner under Tinubu. Now to address your question on Funsho williams. Firstly, Funsho left AD in 2003. Koro left AD in 2005. In fact, Koro was elected Senator under AD in 2003 while Funso lost 2003 Guber to Tinubu. Funsho's exit didn't crumble AD as AD stood firm and defeated him in 2003. But since Tinubu Éxit, AD became history. Obanikoro won the Senatorial ticket in 2003 because of his good stewardship as Home Affairs Commissioner and his relationship with Tinubu. Did Tinubu betray Afenifere? There was a power play over the control of structure, Tinubu left them with his followers. As for Saraki, he isn't the first SP but I can list 6 SPs that has come and gone without having prominence. As for Saraki's betrayal that is out of question.

By the way: there is a big difference between someone that controls political structure and someone that occupies political office

What an infinitesimal defense from you! To go with your point, how did Tinubu's exit destroy AD that Funsho williams exit didn't? What a puzzle that need a back tract explanation from you. What led to the destruction of AD initiated by Tinubu that the arrow is not deflecting back today?. Probably your self praise of a Fiasco needs a masterpiece of brevity. You are erroneously wrong to say Obanikoro became a senator due to his stewardship and relationship with Tinubu. You are already exposing your sympathy Brother. Probably you need to know some fact about Obanikoro himself who remain a contemporary to Tinubu CV for CV(Ain't talking about buying influence and corrupting our judicial system to gain control). Obanikoro was formally a chairman of Surulere Local Govt under AD, a state deputy chairman under Otedola administration(military governor then), chairman Lagos island, A founder of grassroots democratic movement(GDM) that fought Abacha to standstill E.t.c..Are you saying a man with such rising profile before he became a senator got the senatorial ticket because of Tinubu influence? Then I will ironically say tinubu got is governorship ticket because of Obanikoro influence against Funsho williams candidacy "what a conglomerate premises you are creating bro". Back to Saraki and Tinubu's connotation, Saraki remain a force to reckon with in this country and a senior citizen with the constitutional power to silence Tinubu forever. Saraki is the senate president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria(wikipidia) while Tinubu is regarded as one of the leaders in APC solely. Spot the difference before you miss your flight bro! In Tinubu's political career he will never be and he will remain ONLY the leader or Asiwaju of APC(That's if APC remains before 2019). He has never been a Nationalist but a mere governor through the mistakes of Pa. Olu Falae and co while saraki is now a Nationalist with the constitutional power to interfere in the affairs of this country regarding external threat, internal threat, resource reform etc if Saraki and Buhari is holding a close door meeting regarding the country, a Tinubu cannot do that with Buhari because he is a party man. Now saying someone that control mainly is party is stronger than someone that has the constitutional power to make, amend laws regarding the country "Is a statement gone too far and out of proportion"

shidof:
i doubt if u'll eva get sense and reasoning logically lyk a human being. ua always off-point.

Just because it doesn't suit you own perceive sense and reasoning

If I reason hw u want. Will that put food on ur table

All I listed ain't hearsay Itz fact