munex007:
From our conversation so far one thing I notice about you is that your write up is filled with hatred and lies..

Talking about abrogation..Qur'an was sent through Angel Jibril(Gabriel) to the prophet in stages and each verse has an extensive explanation known as Tafsir which is backed by an Authentic Hadith..
So you think you understand Qur'an by just reading some couples of misguided

My sincere advice to you..Wake up in the middle of the night when everything is calm..Delve into your heart and call to your creator asked him to guide you to the straight way..

islamabad.

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noblezone:


I know of the falsehood of the so called Islamic Teachers and the manipulation of Deuteronomy 18:18.

They declare the Bible as lies but quickly attach to that verse of Deuteronomy.

That Prophecy was referring to the Christ.


John 8:1-12 (The Incident of the woman caught in Adultery).
King James Version (KJV)

1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

If someone is caught commiting adultery in Saudi Arabia or Islamic country, there is no option than to stone the person to death. What a wicked law. "Sharia law" this what some state in Nigeria wants to implement.

mohammedmagnus:
They say the truth is with the minority not the majority. Am a proud muslim till I die, but the truth is BH and ISIS are slandering the image of Islam. That's why when peeps travel to UK malaysia and see muslims there the difference is clear. The truth is the problem in the north is poverty and illetracy, most of this suicide bombers cannot even recite the first chapter of the Quran. This is clear politics hiding under the guise of religion. As for the case of ISIS those are worst their vendetta is against america, but now the devil has helped them take it to the extreme. Dear christians please stop the insults jesus christ taught you better. The wars Muhammed fought during his time where mostly among arabs, not christians, and he fought those wars because they attacked him first. As for isreal and palastine, the Qiblah of the muslims was at Al-aqsa mosque in jerusalem before God told the muslims to reference the Kaaba later, so historically its evident that palastines have a right to the isreali land, but the isrealis said no cheating them of their right, this is one of the main reasons all this extremist sprang up

nice

Cutehector:
wetin dis one mean?

[b] I.SL.A.M.A.B.A.D[s]

munex007:
From our conversation so far one thing I notice about you is that your write up is filled with hatred and lies..

Talking about abrogation..Qur'an was sent through Angel Jibril(Gabriel) to the prophet in stages and each verse has an extensive explanation known as Tafsir which is backed by an Authentic Hadith..
So you think you understand Qur'an by just reading some couples of misguided articles? Lol..

You see islam is an objective religion..You can't just say something based on your opinion it must be backed by authentic evidence..

I won't call your religion useless or your holy book useless but if your readily to be objective I will send you verses of the Holy bible(if you're a christain) that predicted the coming of "Prophet muhammed"

My sincere advice to you..Wake up in the middle of the night when everything is calm..Delve into your heart and call to your creator asked him to guide you to the straight way..

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WombRaiders:
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.  Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.  Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.


Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring the men, raping their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his own.  On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged inhabitants and even butchered captives.  He actually inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with Hell if they did not.  Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members were slaughtered. 
 
It is important to emphasize that, for the most part, Muslim armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the religion's most dramatic military conquests were made by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades following his death.  The early Islamic principle of warfare was that the civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves and resisted Islam. 

Cc. MalcoImX...Passingshot... how true is this?

dckng16:


He is simply telling u Islam is Bad

I will stil re iterate this.. Islam is not bad... Its the muslims and extremists of islam dat hav painted it bad.... Islam began from Ishmael.. And God ddnt make a mistake in creatin islam

noblezone:
Then Buhari you dont know Islam.

By the way, nine people are condemned to death in Kano for the "crime" of blasphemy, is that Islam?

yes that is Islam

refreshrate:


No they do not sir. Matter of fact they ware known ts strongly oppose the catholic church

Are you trying to say when someone opposes the Catholic Church they automatically become non-Christian?!

winner01:
show me where the bible said she was underage...

Show me where in the QURAN that said Prophet Muhammad married Aisha when she was 9years!

WombRaiders:


The average Muslim cannot separate his religous beliefs from his politics.

The KKK are not a Christian group but a white SUPREMASCIST group.

Adolf Hitler and most of his henchmen were born Catholics but that had nothing to do with their political deposition.

You Muslims are by far the most retarrded autistic Phuck heads out there.

No need for stories, do they read the Bible or not?!

winner01:
Christians means christ-like(people like christ) the Son of God...Anyone who calls himself a christian actually strives to be like Jesus.......If Jesus ddint do it, then dont bother calling them christians.

Lol, but they are Christians since they get their inspiration from the Bible. Moreover, worst Christian groups appeared before them!

To continue on my earlier post. Me am a muslim my three younger ones are christians, but we live in the same house. They say something insultive about islam and I dare not I repeat dare not say something insultive about xtianity cos I was once a catholic. But people purposely say something insultive about the others religion to score points, that's why it all boils down to our home training, dats why I saw am disappointed the way some xtians are lashing out on this forum. True xtians are not accustomed to foul language likewise true muslims. Secondly truout history I can authoritatively say there are some civilisations know for having "hot head". Eg The spartans, The germans, and "The Arabs", and in Nigeria's case the northerners. That's why one should be careful the way u speak about one another. Control ur tongue is a forgotten rule. Am not justifying Boko haram, but was d difference between BH and someone who imports fake drugs that kill people, someone who is corrupt yet has the effontry to donate to churches and mosques. The day of judgement we are going to be judge by the judge of all judges God. So don't be suprised if we see ourself in hell with an isis or BH member yet we never killed anyone. Peace

princejenks:
i have issues with muslims trying to quote scriptures they know little about but try to interpret literally like they are reading a book. Scriptures should be interpreted within a proper context. If christians were not so tolerant i wonder what the world would have been like with the way muslims blaspheme against christian beliefs even without provocation. Now a christian means to be christ like,christ brought the gospel which is seen in the new testament. He preached more about love for one's neighbor as one's self and not emphasy on old testament's principle of an eye for an eye which muslims still hold on to.

Your christian folks are quoting Qur’an literally. Verses where revealed due to things going on that era
You all just quote and interpret it the way you want and don't want Muslims to do the same. Hypocrisy of the highest order. SMH

People quote the Quran out of context. If you read the second chapter, where these verses of war began, it will become clear to the reader that Muslims are suppose to be on the defensive side of things and not being on the offensive. Those jihadists are just plain illiterates using the sentiments of spirituality to brainwash even the so-called literate(but not educated, I believe) Muslims! The weak-minded will always justify their points with all manners of illogical insinuations and direct speech/alleged instructions; and unfortunately, many Muslims are made to believe that they can't understand the Quran until they (the clerics) interpret it. So many Muslims simply listen to these men with their sentimental tones. The Muslims were ordered in the Quran to fight/war against those that kill and oppress them/their people. Only for the powerful leaders with other agendas to take advantage of the fact that Muslims do not read the Quran directly in fueling their differences with the west over the centuries. Mohammed's wars were against those who tried to oppress and intimidate an unlettered man and his followers from propagating their "so-called" new religion, and not against the innocent ones who were just doing their thing

DON'T QUOTE THE QUR’AN TOO
Your christian folks are quoting Qur’an literally. Verses where revealed due to things going on that era
You all just quote and interpret it the way you want and don't want Muslims to do the same. Hypocrisy of the highest order. SMH

winner01:
Christians means christ-like(people like christ) the Son of God...Anyone who calls himself a christian actually strives to be like Jesus.......If Jesus ddint do it, then dont bother calling them christians.

I can't see anyone of you acting like christ. The way he's condemned you from calling him son of God is the same way he will condemn you for the level of blasphemy and hatred most of you are showing. It shows your churchs don't teach you morals. It's all about miracles for you guys anyway Not surprised to see most of you act this way

tucky200:
Geez u way too pretty ..pls follow back

u are deviating from my question

bashbabe2:
DON'T QUOTE THE QUR’AN TOO
Your christian folks are quoting Qur’an literally. Verses where revealed due to things going on that era
You all just quote and interpret it the way you want and don't want Muslims to do the same. Hypocrisy of the highest order. SMH

excuse me...are you Halimat?

taofeeq137:


excuse me...are you Halimat?

No

bashbabe2:
No

ok...you sounded exactly like sum1 I told abt dis Christian-Muslim stuff today

taofeeq137:


ok...thanks, for having an open mind, this is the only way we can move forward,
so back to your question. I would rather answer that with 2 stories from the bible.

The Hebrew Midwives
In Exodus, Pharaoh decides to weaken the people of Israel by killing every newborn boy (Exodus 1:16).
But the midwives disobey and let the boys live. When the king of Egypt asks them why they’re doing this, they answer, “The Hebrew women ... are vigorous and give birth before the midwife comes to them” (Exodus 1:19).

Now, regardless of how vigorous the Hebrew women are, this statement is a lie. It is meant to lead Pharaoh to believe a falsehood—namely, that the midwives were doing their best to obey but just couldn’t get there in time.

Does their dishonesty displease God? It doesn’t seem like it, according to the next verse: “God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous.” They’re not rebuked; they’re blessed.

Rahab and the Two Spies
Another example is found in Joshua 2.
Joshua sends two men to spy out Jericho, and the king of Jericho finds out. They go to Rahab, a prostitute, and she hides them. When the king’s messengers come looking for them, she says:
“The men came to me, but I did not know where they came from. And when it was time to close the gate at dark, the men went out. Where the men went I do not know. Pursue them quickly, for you can overtake them” (Joshua 2:4–5).

The rest of the chapter tells how she believes in God and is delivered when Jericho is attacked. So the biblical interpretation of her action is that it was done from a heart of faith—even though she lied.

It can be concluded from these two stories that it is possible to be a person who fears God (like the Hebrew midwives) and who acts in faith (like Rahab) and yet feels constrained in extreme situations to oppose evil by lying.

So Christians, Muslims...Even tho we are expected to not lie, it is allowed in extreme situations, even if there would be a greater reward if we didnt even lie at all.

In Christianity lies or denouncing your faith as a Christian is not permitted. The Bible condemns lying in the Ten commandments
. If you understand the Bible very well you would also know that Christianity started christ as gone,.

The two incidents you mentioned were done by un-believers and it was a favour rendered to the children of Israel meaning they were not in opposition even though they were from the "enemy camp".
Christ said the father of all lies is the devil( Satan). Please note that every action that occurred in the Bible before the advent of Christ was not during the Christian era.

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[s][s][quote author=princejenks post=35682739]I would have loved to agree with grandpa on this assertion about insurgents not being muslims though they scream that islamic phrase when they kill and maim but the reality on ground won't let me.

To most of the people here trying so hard to defend islam as being a religion of peace while saying its some adherents who misinterpret the faith and engage in violent killings that give it a bad name,well I'd say it would amount to hypocrisy to say that the faith prescribes one thing while its adherent do the direct opposite,how else can I know what the religion is about if not by observing how its adherents practise it?

With due respect to some good muslims out there,I have noticed that when muslims are in the majority in a place, they tend to want to subsume other faiths or force non muslims to convert if they have the means to do so and when they are in the minority they push for rights to practise their religion fully even when it would oppose the accepted way of doing things there.

Examples abound in nigeria as seen in northern nigeria where they(muslims) are in the majority;we know how they kill and maim non muslims at the slightest chance they get whether they are provoked or not. Well things are a bit better in the south due to an almost equal number of the two major faiths plus the fact that there are more educated and enlightened muslims there who have married people of other faiths so barbaric acts often committed in the north against non muslims are not common down south;can't say it won't happen if circumstances were reversed to favor such. Even abroad,we see how muslims are crippling into the west in their numbers and trying to enforce their full rights to practise there by exploiting the freedom their laws allow for such but we see how countries like russia are trying to keep sanity in check to curb excesses of extremists trying to exploit the freedom but do christians enjoy freedom to worship freely in muslim countries?

For example,even though I stay in the south,I live in a part of a community that has muslims in the majority and you can't imagine all kinds of things one has to put up with. They are so opposed to change so much so that they organize landlord meetings in the mosque on sunday mornings when they are well aware the few christians there can't attend,and they take decisions without their input. Compared to the rest part of the community which are better developed,my side of the community is so backward cos of this. There's a mosque some metres from my building,you need to hear the hate messages the alpa(imam) spews everyday to disparage christians rather than concentrate on his worshipers. He would say all kinds of blasphemous things against the christian faith everyday he handles the mic to call for prayers forming authority on something he knows very little about. Thankfully, the christian faith is one of tolerance so no one goes to challenge him but am very sure the muslims there would never tolerate even the least slight of their revered prophet by any pastor in his sermons.

Muslims need to understand that they need to do more to change the perception people have about islam as a religion as practised by its adherent. Since I was born, I've not heard much positive things about islam;its either they are killing and bombing or forcing people to convert to their faith. Forcing faith violently on others is no longer fashionable in this century. Muslims should copy christians by doing charity works aimed at solving some problems facing our world rather than making it inhabitable with terrorism and holy wars. They would see how people would willingly want to learn more about islam by them engaging peaceful ways of propagating it instead of this mindless killings in the name of the God they serve.[/s [/s

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funny story....Some Muslims are really trying to copy Christians and that's where the problems lies. They are really trying to retaliate the killings of Muslims in Afganistain, Irag, Burma etc. Iraq, Afghanistan and Niger are all Muslims countries and have been living in peace until the almighty christains from US invaded them. Millions of death mostly Children were recorded in the war in Iraq for WMD that was nowhere to be found till this moment.

Try to google the total nos of extra judicial killings in US of recent and tell me the percentage that was carried out my muslims. How many people has the dictator in North Korea executed this year alone? but because he is not a muslim, the world is not saying anything. It on record that US helicopter drops aid to territories captured by ISIS and you still want me to believe the ISIS are not the making of the west The same way you want us to believe that "16 Muslims terrorist" planned a successful attack on the US soil on 9/11 and the world tallest building collapse due to the aviation fuel from the planes that hit the towers...then plane must be carrying chemicals/weapons/missiles that supports controlled demolition and not passengers...only gullible people will believe such cock and bull stories reported by CNN and the likes while intelligent people will research more.

Muslims globally have condemned the activities of Boko haram openly and I challenge you to mention just one Muslim that supports the killing as carried out by BH. The world will be a better place if we are just and objectives in our dealings, sayings and actions.[color=#000099][/color]

Demmzy15:
Are you trying to say when someone opposes the Catholic Church they automatically become non-Christian?!

Lets stick to your argument. Boko Haram kills in the name of religion, Islam to be precise using the most predominant phrase of the faith to justify their misdeeds.

The kkk doesnt carry out its agenda based on religion rather they believe in white supremacy and that has always been their agenda.
2 Different things.

As long as muslims keep avoiding the issue and rather keep looking for comparisons to what Boko Haram does (just like im sorry to say youre doing here) the boko haram thing is indirectly being supported.
You can hold your phone and try to justify all you can about the kkk and like sahara reporters try to falsify information to give it clout, truth still remains boko haram carries out it atrocities in the name of Islam and you my good sir are encouraging it.

Name one Imaam who can be said to be very vocal against the Boko Haram thing?
One Alfa
One Muslim?

Instead next thing im going to read is one lengthy lecture on how the first and second world war and what God knows else was carried out by christains.

When this insurgency first started i actually heard some seemingly intelligent muslims saying its not muslims doing it, that it was people from the south disguising to do these things in the north. I asked to what benefit?

I guess Shekau is now a southerners name.

They say all it takes for evil to thrive is for good men to sit and do nothing
What happens when the 'good men' sit and apportion baseless blames to issues not even relevant to the crises prevailing?

Please dont irritate me any further with your mediocre comparisons. Keep supporting boko haram in your own little ways and pictures lacking wisdom

The fraud is about to take a deadly turn. Buhari and APC, backed with the Biritish are about the pull the biggest scams ever......

Let us see some of the key events leading to where we are now:

1. Buhari visits UK, Niger and Chad to secretly negotiate the way forward for his foot soldiers, Boko Haram
2. Boko haram prisoners sent to Anambra, government initially denies but later admits.
3. Buhari releases 185 Boko Haram Members
4. Bomb blasts in Kano, Jos and Kaduna, etc
5. Oby visits Buhari for the fake BBOG campaign
6. UK Govt said they saw the girls but could not save them
7. In line with what the British Government says, Buhari Blames GEJ for not rescuing the chibok girls
8. Buhari planning to release more Boko Haram prisoners under the guise of exchange with the girls.
9. Buhari toys with Amnesty for Boko Haram
10. APC supports amnesty for their Islamic brothers, Boko Haram........
11. The Nigerian government claims to have captured the masterminds of the Bomb Blast- very laughable. This is a ploy to make the government appear competent
12.....There will be strong campaigns for amnesty for Boko Haram and swap of the so-called kidnapped girls....

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--Only APC fans support Amnesty for Boko Haram
--Only APC people believe in the Chibok Scam (of course they used it as a scam against GEJ)
--Only APC fans support the exchange of Boko Haram for the 'Ghost' Chibok Girls


-Where are pictures of the kidnapped girls?

refreshrate:


Lets stick to your argument. Boko Haram kills in the name of religion, Islam to be precise using the most predominant phrase of the faith to justify their misdeeds.

The kkk doesnt carry out its agenda based on religion rather they believe in white supremacy and that has always been their agenda.
2 Different things.

As long as muslims keep avoiding the issue and rather keep looking for comparisons to what Boko Haram does (just like im sorry to say youre doing here) the boko haram thing is indirectly being supported.
You can hold your phone and try to justify all you can about the kkk and like sahara reporters try to falsify information to give it clout, truth still remains boko haram carries out it atrocities in the name of Islam and you my good sir are encouraging it.

Name one Imaam who can be said to be very vocal against the Boko Haram thing?
One Alfa
One Muslim?

Instead next thing im going to read is one lengthy lecture on how the first and second world war and what God knows else was carried out by christains.

When this insurgency first started i actually heard some seemingly intelligent muslims saying its not muslims doing it, that it was people from the south disguising to do these things in the north. I asked to what benefit?

I guess Shekau is now a southerners name.

They say all it takes for evil to thrive is for good men to sit and do nothing
What happens when the 'good men' sit and apportion baseless blames to issues not even relevant to the crises prevailing?

Please dont irritate me any further with your mediocre comparisons. Keep supporting boko haram in your own little ways and pictures lacking wisdom

Calm down and answer my questions, because you'll answer why Christian terrorist groups kill all in the name of Christ! Shebi you dey form Rambo? !

Cutehector:
as in eh.. Prophet mohammed must be very much ashamed of dis present islam

the present is a result of the past, shame on him for inventing such a sham

Demmzy15:
Lol, but they are Christians since they get their inspiration from the Bible. Moreover, worst Christian groups appeared before them!

u funny oo, If Christ did not do it, then we cant do it because we are Christ-ians.......Christ brought a new covenant to us.....Christ is our example.....Even mohammed got some of his inspiration from the Bible, thanks to his relations with Jewish scholars, no wonder some of his stories are similar to the Bible....those people who claimed to get inspiration from the Bible to propagate negativity are no different from mohammed....the devil has misled them.

Demmzy15:

Calm down and answer my questions, because you'll answer why Christian terrorist groups kill all in the name of Christ! Shebi you dey form Rambo? !

You want an answer to your baseless question? ill indulge you.
If the kkk doesnt agree with Catholicism which is the largest denomination of Christianity and the oldest (this is the part you run to google to confirm, please this ll still be waiting for you) How do you begin to justify your successive baseless and blatant lies amongst which includes that the kkk is a christain motivated movement? considering ...wait for it... the kkk had been in existence since way before several other denominations of christainity started to exist.