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barcanista:
@Mizmycoli

It is quite funny reading the hypocrisy of some APC trolls on this thread! Well, I have no time responding to any...all I know is that PDP Shall Lead Again from 2019

zicoraads:
To each his own, some people are direct beneficiaries of the immediate past regime, some are not. Some are benefiting from the present, some are not. For those who are staunch members and direct beneficiaries of either the past or present government, the ultimate goal is serving their paymasters while also trying to justify that pay.

Some days back I pleaded with you to thread with caution in taking sides when the Dasuki case broke. That is because I am first a Nigerian. Secondly, I am un apologetically of the PDP.

Now, you asked a question about how we would see you if you decide to move to the other side. To each his own...whatever you believe in, whatever your ideology is...stick with it. If at any point you feel the PDP no longer represents what you believe in, by all means 'sayonara!' No one would begrudge you...or put more accurately, I won't begrudge you!

Some of the reasons why the animosity will continue onto the end of this administration and probably the next and the next and the next are as follows;

1. As erroneously stated by someone on this thread, the PDP didn't introduce ethnic and religious brand of politicking, the APC did. President Buhari stated some years back that he would see to the implementation of sharia law across the whole country. In the same vein, he also stated that the North should vote for their own. This was the main reason he never campaigned in other states, apart from the north prior to the merger. What the PDP did was to bring forth some of the statements he made some few years back as a reminder to Nigerians who had forgotten. Now pray tell, who is to be blamed? The one who made the statements, or the one who simply reminded us?

2. Secondly, the insults and vituperations that trailed GEJ's government was massive and unprecedented. Several monikers here called him all sorts of names and even went as far as insulting his family as well. I believe that was what gave birth to the politics of insults. They were doing so and forgot about Karma. Now that their man is in the saddle, they should still expect the same pill that we swallowed. They will get it in equal measure.

cc: PassingShot

That's why I opined earlier that ...to each his own path.

The points you raised here are points which I cannot counter, doing so would be akin to selfishness and not giving people a chance to do things their way.


Despite being pacifist, I still think that there are times when fire should be cured with something equally harder.

BTW Zic, I don't see you as the bile and hatred filled kind.


Still, keep doing what you feel is right by you.
No judgement or condemnation on my part, tbh..

Volksfuhrer:
The thread is unnecessary. If you are passionate about your politics, then you are authentic. I have nothing but admiration for this type of people, at least I know where they stand. As long as they harbour no murderous intentions and keep within the law, I'm okay with them. Therefore, let wailers wail and let TANoids whine, it's all part of the entertainment as far as I'm concerned.

MizMyColi, just let people express their views as they see fit. You may not like the negative attitude behind their opinions, but you could at least try to understand it.

PassingShot:
This is not your first attempt at showing ability to tolerate others and readiness to be objective at issues of national interest. The first time was when you did this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2282829/nairaland-democrats-criticisms-president-elect-repentant

However, I realized that no sooner had you dropped your pen that your fellow GEJites got you back on the same hating way for PMB/VPYO. This is by the way anyway.

To the main issue of your thread, let's look at it this way:

1. Jonathan is largely responsible for ethnic and religion divisions we now see today in Nigeris. No sincere person will deny the fact that he played the religious and ethnic cards dangerously to the maximum. He even pronounced it loud and clear when he said Igbos are the backbone of his administration.

2. Another issue is lack of sportsmanship on the part of PDP and its supporters. It's a fact that those who supported Jonathan find it extremely difficult to accept the fact that the man has lost an election and therefore they need to move on. In sane societies, once elections have been won and lost, the losers will come together and support the winners to move the country forward. The losers critize the govt objectively by providing alternative means to issues; not by running their mouth on the pages of newspapers and NL to condemn every step of the new regime just to be seen to exist.

We all know that Jonathan couldn't have ever become president without the support of those who now no longer like him. So, why should it be difficult to accept that the man failed truly and it's the reason he was rejected at the polls.

I can only advise you to try to be yourself as there is nothing or very little you can do to change the bigots. Just try and make sure you don't fall back into bigotry.

As the Chief Wailer once said before he decamped, Buhari would have remained in Daura enjoying his retirement had Jonathan performed up to the mark. Unfortunately, bigotry and expectations of political appointment beclouded his reasoning.

MizMyColi:
I think you should respond.
Folks could glean insights on how you are able to manage vituperations and insults without responding in kind.

CyberWolf:
look at this ediot..How many alternative solution have you provided since you and your fellow gang of ediotic Bantus were hauling GEJ insults upon insults? do you take all of us as gullible..look at this bastard ooh ..See who is talking about sportsmanship,..bloody hypocrite

barcanista:
My Dear, I have no time to waste on people that believe in politics of occultism, wickedness and blackmails. You were my friend as at the time that I was sympathetic to APC, we had exchange of banter where I called you an "inconsequential dimwit"(lol) but did I not leave it at that? Did I move so low to talk about our private conversations and sought to reduce your worth? The truth is that politics like sport desires some level of decorum. I see no use discussing civility with people that have no respect for the life and dignity of people that are not members of their camps. So please, I won't respond to any of those hypocrites. Even the Bible warns against arguing with f**ls.

MizMyColi:
I understand your angst and your point.
Smmh...

Why do I suddenly feel like I'm building castles in the air?

PassingShot:
[s][/s]

barcanista:
@Mozmycoli: I believe everyone is entitled to a choice, whether to align by me or otherwise. However, political choice never defines friendship-though it is an advantage to friendship.

When I was still pro-APC, I still had friendship with the PDP caucus. In fact, Firefire, Mogidi, Truckpusher, Tomakint, SeverusSnape, Agabai23, Ellechrystal etc were VERY friendly to me irrespective of our political disagreement. Despite the fact that I was once pro-PDP as at that time. Nobody created thousands of threads pouring accusations and stuffs. I recall that Descartes told me in black and white that I will return to PDP. I laughed over it and we continued. We all know the event that followed my defection despite the circumstance that catalysed my change of camp to the PDP in Feb 16. We all saw the attacks from supposed "friends" that saw my defection as an affront and chose to blackmail and discredit me(that are still pouring till date).

The truth is that PDP is the most democratic party in Nigeria, APC can be likened to a secret cult where members have no say of their own. It i§ in APC that you will be called nÀmes for disagreeing with party's view. I tell you my Dear, you have nothing to fear with respect to friendship whether or not you remain with PDP! We are not like APC!

barcanista:
My Dear, I have no time to waste on people that believe in politics of occultism, wickedness. I see no use discussing civility with people that have no respect for the life and dignity of people that are not members of their camps. So please, I won't respond to any of those hypocrites. Even the Bible warns against arguing with f**ls.

atbu1983:
The reason why some Buhari supporter find it difficult to accept ur switch from APC to PDP was because it was believed that u were paid to switch.
Being a south south like u, i could understand why you switched. I am south south too. i even paid 10,000naira into Buhari campaign account. i supported Buhari passionately. I must tell you, there were moments when i felt like switching to Jonathan. There were moments i felt i was pushing for the right thing in a wrong country. because there are those times when my religion and tribal affiliation make me feel foolish for being rational instead of being sentimal. it was difficult supporting buhari to d end. At some point i felt lonely and alone because almost everyone around me were supporting Jonathan.

PassingShot:
This is not your first attempt at showing ability to tolerate others and readiness to be objective at issues of national interest. The first time was when you did this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2282829/nairaland-democrats-criticisms-president-elect-repentant

However, I realized that no sooner had you dropped your pen that your fellow GEJites got you back on the same hating way for PMB/VPYO. This is by the way anyway.

To the main issue of your thread, let's look at it this way:

1. Jonathan is largely responsible for ethnic and religion divisions we now see today in Nigeris. No sincere person will deny the fact that he played the religious and ethnic cards dangerously to the maximum. He even pronounced it loud and clear when he said Igbos are the backbone of his administration.

2. Another issue is lack of sportsmanship on the part of PDP and its supporters. It's a fact that those who supported Jonathan find it extremely difficult to accept the fact that the man has lost an election and therefore they need to move on. In sane societies, once elections have been won and lost, the losers will come together and support the winners to move the country forward. The losers critize the govt objectively by providing alternative means to issues; not by running their mouth on the pages of newspapers and NL to condemn every step of the new regime just to be seen to exist.

We all know that Jonathan couldn't have ever become president without the support of those who now no longer like him. So, why should it be difficult to accept that the man failed truly and it's the reason he was rejected at the polls.

I can only advise you to try to be yourself as there is nothing or very little you can do to change the bigots. Just try and make sure you don't fall back into bigotry.

As the Chief Wailer once said before he decamped, Buhari would have remained in Daura enjoying his retirement had Jonathan performed up to the mark. Unfortunately, bigotry and expectations of political appointment beclouded his reasoning.

barcanista:
I don't see how what you wrote affect me, neither is there any justification in your sermon.

MizMyColi:
That, to me, is akin to apportioning blames. This is where we are now, how do we move forward?

People have gotten along on more mundane and crassly senseless topics, even those who clearly disagree.

This is where tolerance comes in.

You for example, we are far in political beliefs as far as the east is from the west

But, I can't remember when last you insulted me, or when last I did.

Has that stopped you from attacking my posts which seem unintelligent to you?
Or even throwing subtle jabs?
NO.

Do I perceive you as a hater of Me? NO.

Are you permitted to call out my gaffes next time around, YES...

But let's watch it.
It's easier to tow the path of hate and bitterness, it never bodes well on anyone.

The more anger and bitterness you harbour inside you, the more anger and bitterness you attract to yourself, sometimes, our health even gets affected.

barcanista:
I tell you my Dear, you have nothing to fear with respect to friendship whether or not you remain with PDP! We are not like APC!

Smh profusely!


And to think I thought you people understand my reasons for using myself as an example.
It was because of you I asked that question.
I simply put myself in your shoes!

Quote me anywhere...
In the summer and in the rain.

Buhari can only get the support and positive passion with which I treat anything GEJ if he can prove beyond doubt how much he upholds the sanctity and sacredness of human life.

He failed since 2011!!!!!!

Bugatie:
Great write-up,
But you might want to increase your fonts for easy reading.

PassingShot:
[s]This is not your first attempt at showing ability to tolerate others and readiness to be objective at issues of national interest. The first time was when you did this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2282829/nairaland-democrats-criticisms-president-elect-repentant

However, I realized that no sooner had you dropped your pen that your fellow GEJites got you back on the same hating way for PMB/VPYO. This is by the way anyway.

To the main issue of your thread, let's look at it this way:

1. Jonathan is largely responsible for ethnic and religion divisions we now see today in Nigeris. No sincere person will deny the fact that he played the religious and ethnic cards dangerously to the maximum. He even pronounced it loud and clear when he said Igbos are the backbone of his administration.

2. Another issue is lack of sportsmanship on the part of PDP and its supporters. It's a fact that those who supported Jonathan find it extremely difficult to accept the fact that the man has lost an election and therefore they need to move on. In sane societies, once elections have been won and lost, the losers will come together and support the winners to move the country forward. The losers critize the govt objectively by providing alternative means to issues; not by running their mouth on the pages of newspapers and NL to condemn every step of the new regime just to be seen to exist.

We all know that Jonathan couldn't have ever become president without the support of those who now no longer like him. So, why should it be difficult to accept that the man failed truly and it's the reason he was rejected at the polls.

I can only advise you to try to be yourself as there is nothing or very little you can do to change the bigots. Just try and make sure you don't fall back into bigotry.

As the Chief Wailer once said before he decamped, Buhari would have remained in Daura enjoying his retirement had Jonathan performed up to the mark. Unfortunately, bigotry and expectations of political appointment beclouded his reasoning[/s].

PassingShot:
[s]This is not your first attempt at showing ability to tolerate others and readiness to be objective at issues of national interest. The first time was when you did this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2282829/nairaland-democrats-criticisms-president-elect-repentant

However, I realized that no sooner had you dropped your pen that your fellow GEJites got you back on the same hating way for PMB/VPYO. This is by the way anyway.

To the main issue of your thread, let's look at it this way:

1. Jonathan is largely responsible for ethnic and religion divisions we now see today in Nigeris. No sincere person will deny the fact that he played the religious and ethnic cards dangerously to the maximum. He even pronounced it loud and clear when he said Igbos are the backbone of his administration.

2. Another issue is lack of sportsmanship on the part of PDP and its supporters. It's a fact that those who supported Jonathan find it extremely difficult to accept the fact that the man has lost an election and therefore they need to move on. In sane societies, once elections have been won and lost, the losers will come together and support the winners to move the country forward. The losers critize the govt objectively by providing alternative means to issues; not by running their mouth on the pages of newspapers and NL to condemn every step of the new regime just to be seen to exist.

We all know that Jonathan couldn't have ever become president without the support of those who now no longer like him. So, why should it be difficult to accept that the man failed truly and it's the reason he was rejected at the polls.

I can only advise you to try to be yourself as there is nothing or very little you can do to change the bigots. Just try and make sure you don't fall back into bigotry.

As the Chief Wailer once said before he decamped, Buhari would have remained in Daura enjoying his retirement had Jonathan performed up to the mark. Unfortunately, bigotry and expectations of political appointment beclouded his reasoning[/s].

PassingShot:
I understand your OP perfectly but we also need to identify how we got here since it was not this way in the past.
Of course we can coexist while still having different ideologies or political leanings. The big question is can the opposition come up with credible issues to discuss? Issues free of concotions and laced with connotations of witch hunting and ethnicity. This is the basic requirement for peaceful debate devoid of vitriols and tantrums.

How come none of "them" is here?

Matthewbriggs:
@mizmycoli I am not sure this whole pacifist ideology you have going on is feasible in the world of politics because by default. Politics is a battle, a battle of ideas, not a field where people drink and listen to music. It's an immense battle of interest and survival.

If you are lucky to sit in a media strategy meeting, Where spin masters and Media strategist design propaganda, Your would come to realize how ignorant and unrealistic your doctrine is, and how heartless these politicians and their handlers are, the level they can go to sabotage each other.

The world is a very brutal place, It would be in one's best interest to view it from a very realistic perspective instead of living in denial.

If PDP follow this your Pacifist doctrine they should kiss 2019, they should wait till 3030BC.

The only reason APC won the election was because they saw it as a do or die affair, PDP or any opposition party needs to give APC twice as much dose of their own medicine, if they are to win. Because the fact is APC will continue with the antics that brought them to power and they ain't giving up any time soon.

The only point that I agree with, which I have always implemented is the importance to respect each other people's political leaning and never let it get in the way of how you relate with them as a person or professionally. I have a way of compartmentalizing my relationship with people, In political discussions you are the enemy, I would do anything under my moral compass to bring you down. In real life, you are my friend, I would do anything to help you grow.

Both worlds do not cross each other.

Uncle:
Look at this puss*y CCing his fellow losers to come and defend him. Are you afraid? You are such a clown yet you cannot see it. I think most people here, the genuinely intelligent posters and not the impressionable and drunken groupie kids who have taken over the forum these days, see through you and know you for the unprincipled cad that you are. Once again you have confirmed it talking of 'age' . Have I ever met you? Has my age ever been officially confirmed here? Anyway, I will always laugh at jumped-up, hungry and unprincipled mercenaries like you who will say anything online to sway opinion and improve your personal standing or image. You are too lowly and unprincipled to engage me. You know what you asked from me. Stop lying and man up !!! Be honest for once in your turncoat, lying unprincipled, mercenary and 'egunje-seeking' life !!! how many Nairalanders did you PM and why? Like a thousand? You are just yuck !!!! When not harassing NL ladies for date you are PMing all the guys for one 'favour' or the other. Have you no shame?

As for your constant reference to age, I laugh at you and others. I will be in Naija soon and berem and others will confirm if gbawe is some "uncle" or if he is indeed 'old' as dishonest folks like you infer. I don't know your age. yet as an intelligent person who works with fact, I would not be willing to call you "young man" , "old man" or even speak conclusively on your age because I don't know your age. i would be dishonest if I engage in guessing your age and then using that to try and cast subtle insult on your person.

If you write maturely then that does not mean I should assume you are "old". Nigerians do this a lot and it is irritating. This is why the Country is a mess . You guys don't focus on useful facts. Instead you are driven by your prejudices, myopia, assumptions and fears. Some of you guys simply need some exposure and I pray God provides the opportunity to assist you see beyond your parochial and unsophisticated outlook. Prince William, for example, speaks 'older' than many 60 year old men. yet he is in is thirties. That is what breeding, intelligence and finesse creates. It is only ill-exposed and dishonest fools like you who try to forcefully attach 'old age' on others because they are wise/mature in outlook and talk. Man mi, I will even holla you too when I am in naija soon. Come and meet me and report back to the forum. unlike you I am 100% real and there is nothing fake about Gbaw e. Joker. Anyway, I am out of the forum. Think what you want about my decision to leave and your ridiculous egotistical assumption it has anything to go with you. Demd em was right when he said you are a failure and that your real life must suck hence the reason your e-life means so much to you since online is the only place you feel relevant/important and can bask in the hero-worship of losers like yourself. I am out and will not bother to respond further to you and you fellow pathetic losers. You all need to get a life and stop coming here to form 'relevance'. Get a real life, a real job, a real family and all the things that really matter in life and stop using Nairaland to feel like a winner.

PassingShot:
Go read it now.