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Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by joseph1832(m): 7:13pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
MzNelly:I see. Do you believe everything you read?. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 7:15pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
joseph1832: No, I don't. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 7:16pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
FrancisTony: Okay., |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by joseph1832(m): 7:17pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
MzNelly:Then why are you confuse? |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 7:20pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
joseph1832: Never mind. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by joseph1832(m): 8:12pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
MzNelly:I do mind. You might not know this but what you read have a very big tendency of affecting and shaping the way you think if you truly do not understand it. Sometimes, it might completely through you of balance. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 10:04pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
joseph1832: Em.... Do you believe in the Bible? |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by IsaacBuchi(m): 12:05am On Aug 30, 2015 |
firestar: I don't really know how this Nairaland PM thing works...I sent the message and i got a mail in my inbox rather....I cant even tell if it got to you or not....however, my details bear no security risk as i am no star yet ......so here is my contact: ***********....Thank You |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by HIDDENSECRECY: 12:13am On Aug 30, 2015 |
MzNelly:Hello Miss MzNelly. Its really nice of you to awaken your brains to the realities of life. I share your concerns Permit me to make varying contribution to your diary. I was also raised in the "Truth", was baptized at age 14. The only organisation where your zealousness is judged based on how much time you put in field service and your spiritual progress in I'm now a passive witness cos of the irregularities that is rife within the "JWs". I followed the Australian Royal Commission's investigation into JW's child abuse and I was shocked to my feet to see how "Elders" from "Bethel" responded to the prosecutor and Judge. The following are my own concerns: 1) Why should an Elder be deleted because the child enrolled in a University? 2)Why does "JW" condemn the United Nations to be the disgusting thing/Wild beast while they are registered NGO with UN? 3) The misuse of scripture text is common among the JW....... |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 12:18am On Aug 30, 2015 |
I am a Jehovah's witness and coming from Christendom I know what it was like. I am in d truth now and I thank God for guiding my path. No regrets whatsoever. I know what MzNelly is going through but when it happens I just take 2wks off from meetings and everything but I always go back cos what u learn @ d kingdom hall no pastor will stand on a pulpit and teach u, so m always grateful for d spiritual food I receive dats why no pastor can come and tell me nonsense. The question MzNelly is now that u have left where do u go? do u stay @ home or become an atheist. That's the only question I have for u. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 12:27am On Aug 30, 2015 |
HIDDENSECRECY: Yeah, it's really sad. I heard of 1006 hidden child sexual abuse cases. I almost wept. My Dad is an elder and it's almost like a secret whenever I'm leaving for school. I'm sick of all this. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 12:30am On Aug 30, 2015 |
dumo1: Lol I'm not an atheist, bae. I'm a Witness. Happy? |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 12:38am On Aug 30, 2015 |
Lol
Former JW
Buh I'm atheist now
#religionismanmade 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by kobosmalls: 1:36am On Aug 30, 2015 |
djoe21:Have you ever stopped and asked why everything about that your bible is about the jews? God chose them bla bla bla....... (partial God/ racist God) Now he commands them from time to time to kill and loot other nations just because they dont worship him(kill them because,i didnt choose them). Force other nations to believe in my name or perish(ego maniac) I cant even do this because its too stupid to think that a book written by a bunch of jewish normads is from an almighty being. This blood lusty God who demands that blood be shed for atonement of sin is a typical example of what idols represent. Dont u think that this was an idol that jewish cavemen worshipped that's not too different from the ones africans also shed blood for? Dude just google the real Noahs story and u will be amazed that there are multiple versions of this fable, some are over 2000 years older than that written in the bible and the funny thing is that most of them originated from other nations like babylon. Like i said, your bible is full of bullsh1t and its exactly what it is. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by kobosmalls: 2:17am On Aug 30, 2015 |
dolphinheart:Google it and stop asking silly questions you major dud. Your gene makes you grow old. With time, people can possibly manipulate these genes and alter the gene sequence that causes ageing. So u want to tell me that the fairy tale Adam in the bible assuming hee had not sinned could survive a deadly autocrash just because your bible says humans could have lived forever if not for sin. So explain why animals die since they didnt sin? I Bet your bible is fuzzy on that one. Imagine an adult who believes that Jesus was concieved without s3x. What a bunch of sorry excuses for humans. Anyone who believes in the Jesus immaculate conception trash talk is a complete ret4rd. Your reasoning needs restructuring. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by InfinityEstates: 8:09am On Aug 30, 2015 |
'Jehovah's witnesses belong to a cult... Jehovah's witnesses are brainwashed... Bla bla bla...' Those lines have been recurrent on this thread. But permit me to add mine. The truth is, whether you accept it or not, whether you believe it or not, this 'cult' 'brainwash' their members to TRY to live by high moral standards in this morally debased world. They brainwash their members to TRY to live by principles as set out in the Bible so as to live better lives, to be better neighbors, to be better citizens. The word 'TRY' is highlighted, 'cos these guys are not perfect. They are bound to make mistakes, to err, hence they can only TRY, and when they do err, they are corrected. There's a saying that, 'among every twelve, there's always a Judas'. This also applies to this 'cult'. There are bad eggs among them and these ones tend to do things that disrepute them, so I'm not surprised when some talked about having some witness friends that are worse that Maheeda. But of course, they do this secretly 'cos they know they wouldn't be allowed to be witnesses if found out. I'm not criticizing anyone here, but if a 'cult' brainwashed you not to harm your neighbors but to be good to them, not to cause harm to yourself but to live a life that makes your family and yourself happy... A 'cult' that teaches you to be clean morally and physically, honest, truthful, kind... Those are not bad things in themselves as far as I'm concerned. And yes, before someone asks. I'm a Jehovah's Witness. And YES, I was born a JW. I'm not saying Jehovah's Witnesses are perfect. They are not! But as long as they continue to TRY to live by principles stated in the Bible, that's good enough for me. Good Morning. 2 Likes |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 8:17am On Aug 30, 2015 |
InfinityEstates: Keyword. Good enough for you. And that's swell. I'm happy you're satisfied in what you believe in. Not most of us can relate to that. Some of us have issues, that are better left unsaid, and that's what we're struggling with right now. So congrats on finding the "truth." |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 8:46am On Aug 30, 2015 |
RomanZeus: JW for how long? How strong were you in the faith? What made you swerve? Do you truly believe there is no God? |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by paulGrundy(m): 10:26am On Aug 30, 2015 |
MzNelly: Well, am always reachable, you can always reach me on any thread, am open. Please don't be angry. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 11:01am On Aug 30, 2015 |
MzNelly:[b]You keep making naive mistakes of which are always wrong regarding the position of atheism.. He does not believe there is no God rather he disbelieves there is.. Disbelief in a posit is not belief in the negate.... Just like that you disbelieve there is no Allah doesn't mean you believe there is no allah It's just disbelief of the concept and disbelief is a skeptical position that requires substantiation for the concept in question. E.g: John: I have a diamond ball (claim) ken: I don't believe you (disbelief... and this is not belief that john doesn't have a ball) John: Ok here see (provides the ball, boom..proven!!) Now Ken do not need to believe John has a diamond ball but it has been proven to be true, so Ken KNOWS and not believe) equate that with the God claim. Theist: I BELIEVE there is a God (claim) atheist: I don't believe you, prove it (disbelief) as simple as it gets..... (Belief is only applied to things you believe whether it is true or not, when something is proven it is no longer Belief but certainty **Sure**)[/b] 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 11:29am On Aug 30, 2015 |
paulGrundy: *face palm* |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 11:36am On Aug 30, 2015 |
johnydon22: You want God stand before you and say "I exist" for you to remove any traces of doubt from your mind? They're tons of things you and I don't see, but we believe they exist because we feel proof of their existence. Have you, for once, tried to search for proof of God's existence? No, right? And yet when I say you don't believe there is a God, you write notes to confuse yourself on your aforementioned stance. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by HIDDENSECRECY: 11:52am On Aug 30, 2015 |
MzNelly: I personally detest it when JW's call anyone with contrary opinion to theirs an "apostate". As a JW, we don't celebrate "birthday" but celebrate "Anniversary" (e.g. wedding anniversary). The reasoning book defined "birthday" as the "anniversary" of one's birth. OKM Aug 2014 titled "CELEBRATING 100YRS OF KINGDOM RULE"!!! Can any JW here cite scriptural backing for anniversary celebration |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 11:53am On Aug 30, 2015 |
MzNelly:Oh No, there should be many compelling evidences, there should be absolutely no need for belief to establish a fact, it should be based on knowledge instead. . If any God is proven on earth, there will be no need for belief or faith, cus everyone would be sure there is and know. . So unlike you, i'd rather base my confidence on evidence, plausibilities and reason and not ancient superstitions that needs to be believed by faith rather than certainty... If there is need to believe anything by faith, there is no reason to believe it at all. . Have you ever searched evidences to believe a flying unicorn exists? There is absolutely no evidence what so ever that's why it requires faith. Mention them lets see if they cannot be demonstrated. . Lmao... i definitely have had a belief before more than you if not. . . Faith is only required where there is no evidence, you do not need faith to know that earth is real..You are certain, sure of it, so no faith what so ever is required. Do you have any? lets see you tender it... Actually the only difference between you and i is that you have faith in unsubstantiated claims while i don't. Your faith in anything doesn't make anything true or even probably true. .it only means you believe it whether it is true or not.. Until any of the 5000 God concepts man has come up with through out history is proven, you will always need to believe by Faith. Which by definition is blind because it compels you to believe that which is asserted without evidence and ensures a strong emotional conviction...and kills your ability to throw out these unsubstantiated ideas against evidence. . Hhmm i wonder who really is confused here. . 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 12:06pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
HIDDENSECRECY: Lol, anyone who has done deep research knows there's nothing scripturally wrong with birthdays. The problem with the Witnesses is that they are too over zealous, and want Scriptural backing on everything, even in issues that just needs their own discernment. The worst part is that they then impose it on others, which is beyond preposterous, |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by TheDauraMallam: 12:14pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
MzNelly: MzNelly, ex JW convict here. You've done well trying to critically think about your religious upbringing. But I fear this is the beginning of more knowledge and scrutiny to come. The first step is to ask questions, and not follow a conclusion based on faith. I believe you are on the right part, you have tasted this and it has broaden your horizon. This is just the beginning. i leave you with this quotes: 'Believe nothing no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense.' - Buddha 'Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.' - Friedrich Nietzsche Reality is complicated. There is no justification for all of the hasty conclusions.” ― Hideki Yukawa There are a lot more, but I need you to ponder on these. And oh, you need to read a lot of books. Books to gather knowledge about how and why the world is what it is. I'm not even talking about evolution books. I'm talking History, Astrology, Ancient scrolls and all. They were written by humans like you. Don't belittle yourself. READ and emancipate your brain from mental slavery. I'm glad you're familiar with the concept of cognitive dissonance. Let it be your guide. I almost got baptized at 18. Glad I didn't make that mistake. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 12:16pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
johnydon22: The problem with you Johnny is that you always try to rope me into an argument, even when I'm obviously not in the mood. Seems you're lucky today. Let's argue on the existence of God. But I beg you, be classy about it. If you run your mouth anyhow, Proof of God's existence: Life did not and cannot arise spontaneously from lifeless material. This is in complete agreement with scientific laws and experimental tests. The laws of statistics, entropy, calculations from thermodynamics and kinetics all converge on the conclusion that spontaneous generation of life cannot occur. It just does not happen. Ever wondered why life does not exist on Mars or other planets on its own? Just like that? |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 12:19pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
TheDauraMallam: Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.' - Friedrich Nietzsche This is just perfect. I felt like this so many times, but I just had to..... Thanks, |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by TheDauraMallam: 12:23pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
MzNelly: This just got interesting. But, for obvious reasons, maybe you shouldn't start by questioning the validity of God itself. That's like the PhD of everything. johnydon22 take it slow. Guide, don't enforce. I've realized it's very hard for non readers (especially those that are faulty in indepedent thinking and analysis) to grab the questioning god's concept. MzNelly, if you really want to enjoy arguments for self developing reasons. and not to rub off Sunday time, then here you go: How to Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic by Madsen Pirie I have the pdf version, if you care. Or better still, here is a thread I created to simplify the basics of arguments. https://www.nairaland.com/2506120/introduction-logical-reasoning-fallacies-all |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 12:26pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
TheDauraMallam: Sorry, are you a Muslim? Your moniker? You believe in God? Allah? Thanks. I'll check it out. |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by HIDDENSECRECY: 12:34pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
MzNelly: Have you had time to read the "Shepherd The Flock Of God Book"? (if no, its available online) I felt disheartened to see the biased writings of the governing body and hypocritical anecdotal scenarios. E.g. Unmarried young people who move in together commits a sin but unmarried Elderly folks are allowed to move in together not counted as sin. 1 Like |
Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by TheDauraMallam: 12:36pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
MzNelly: Lol. It's really funny when people assume I'm moslem because of my moniker. [s]Being a mallam does not signify having the moslem faith...[/s] You know I actually typed the above because I assumed mallam were from the north. Assumption, but not sure. Then I crosschecked google and viola, I was wrong! From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia To even think I had erroneously explained myself on previous Nairaland threads and was believed by people without checking out the facts is baffling. OK. I'm not a moslem. The moniker was created in allegiance to Buhari's presidential campaign, ergo Daura. I was born into the JW faith. The book that actually messed up my mind about the JW doctrines were Mankind's Search for God, All Dan Brown Novels, and the Internet. Here below was a comment I posted in 2009, with my first Nairaland account: collins123: |
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