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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 1:36pm On Oct 10, 2015
Sergio Ramos is better than both Pique and Boateng.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by homesteady(m): 1:36pm On Oct 10, 2015
Dadehmola:


Gerard pique has always been a very mediocre defender. If not for Tiki taka, he would probably be putting on #34 jersey at a club like Tennerife or Sporting Gijon as we speak... grin cheesy

Yea... the system! Some of your type even say the system is what makes Messi look good!
Barcelona played a more direct football last season, and yet Piqué was one of the best defenders in Europe!
Who has been the best defender in EPL for a while now? - Terry. I guess you remember how he fared when he played in a high line defense under AVB, and Piqué the 'mediocre' defender Excells in such a system!



Apples & Oranges...

When Chelsea were in form, matic was still pulling his weight in the team. There were games in which he was easily the best player on the pitch - he wasn't hiding behind any high pressing /possession based tactics to show his quality.
Pique bosses El classico games, he was even MOTM for the last El classico

Pique on the other hand has always thrived in a setup that made Yaya Toure fit in perfectly at CB in a UCL final. However, when the chips were down, the Spaniard showed why he couldn't make the grade at Man utd ..

Does a Defensive midfielder need thousands of lessons to play as a defender?
How old was Piqué when he was in Man U? I know things are bad now for you guys, but it has not always been like that! man u had a great squad then, you don't expect such a young Piqué to break into the team!
Besides, it was only pique that couldn't break in, Pogba also!


-stergen?? Good?? grin grin

The same stergen who had to be rotated with Bravo in a scenario reminiscent of the Howard - Carroll comedy show we had at United in 2003 thereabout??

Best save my left Yansh..

Haa! Hazard won PFA player of the year, but he is playing rubbish now, does that mean he has always been playing rubbish?

2 new keepers were bought at the same time, their duties were shared - Bravo for la liga and Ter Stegen for UCL!






that period, the aging VDS & Cech were still the best goalies in The world. In 2010, Julio Cesar was arguably the best Goalie in the world (there's no need bringing up the glaring ojoro By FIFA in that particular year).

Even at that time, Neuer was becoming a force to reckon with but ofcourse, Spanish players had to dominate every list (wether they merited it or not)

After that save he made from Robben in the final, you still don't expect him to win it?

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 1:40pm On Oct 10, 2015
larride:
Sergio Ramos is better than both Pique and Boateng.

ramos isn't better, he's just more aggressive. he's the one most likely to cop a red card amongst the trio. technically, he's the least talented amongst the 3......he often cops a red mist that makes him unpredictable & thus uncontrollable!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:41pm On Oct 10, 2015
Pique?? World Class?? I laugh in Swahili.

And now they say Ter Stegen is world class?? The same Ter Stegen dat isn't even as good as Bravo?? Ok. Lets forget Neuer, De Gea, Courtois and Cech. U didn't see better keepers like Buffon, Handanovic, Hart, Oblak, Sirigu to mention, u are mentioning Ter Stegen. Ter Stegen should be mentioned alongside keepers like Weidenfeller, Fraser Forster, Lindegaard etc. In fact the only kind of keepers Ter Stegen is better than are keepers like Almunia, Carrol. Ter Stegen world class? Pls dont make us laugh....
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:41pm On Oct 10, 2015
larride:
Sergio Ramos is better than both Pique and Boateng combined.
Corrected
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by McIrx: 1:54pm On Oct 10, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
Pique?? World Class?? I laugh in Swahili. . . . Pls dont make us laugh....
Actually we,including you are already laughing... grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 1:57pm On Oct 10, 2015
coogar:


nah, he's crap!
brazilians are the most overrated players in the world apart from wayne rooney. pique had cristiano in his pocket as far back as 2009......pique was only 22 then. abeg, make we no dey biased for here......

every united fan wished pique had stayed instead of tolerating intellectually sterile fools like jones, evans, oshea, brown, etc back then. smalling is the only potential we have since that time & there's still a lot for him to do before he gatecrashes the echelon of the elite defenders....



silva - crap
benatia - boateng's inferior
godin - flash in a pan
chiellini - decent but comes short when you need him the most.

pique led the spanish defence that didn't concede a single goal in the knock out stages of world cup 2010 & euro 2008. in that period, pique ate muller, klose, balotelli, robben, sneijder, RVP, etc like guguru.
Which led ?
Is it solely by his effort that spain achieved that feat or their brand of football ?
We've seen great defence carry their team and we've seen spain we know what part of the team deserve praise.
Spain is very short on quality CB
Ramos former RB I won't be surprised if Javi Martinez convert to CB full time.
pique is the overrated one here.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by homesteady(m): 2:03pm On Oct 10, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
Pique?? World Class?? I laugh in Swahili.

And now they say Ter Stegen is world class?? The same Ter Stegen dat isn't even as good as Bravo?? Ok. Lets forget Neuer, De Gea, Courtois and Cech. U didn't see better keepers like Buffon, Handanovic, Hart, Oblak, Sirigu to mention, u are mentioning Ter Stegen. Ter Stegen should be mentioned alongside keepers like Weidenfeller, Fraser Forster, Lindegaard etc. In fact the only kind of keepers Ter Stegen is better than are keepers like Almunia, Carrol. Ter Stegen world class? Pls dont make us laugh....

Nobody said Ter Stegen is world class!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:08pm On Oct 10, 2015
SIRcumalot:

Which led ?
Is it solely by his effort that spain achieved that feat or their brand of football ?
We've seen great defence carry their team and we've seen spain we know what part of the team deserve praise.

the whole team deserve the credits. don't talk like teams don't get scoring chances against spain. do you know what it means to go through knock out stages of the biggest international football competitions without conceding? abeg, leave matter....

pique is super-elite. one of the best defenders of his generation. we would all miss him when he retires. lay down his medals and he has more meaningful accolades than clubs like chelsea & arsenal. are you kidding me?


Spain is very short on quality CB
Ramos former RB I won't be surprised if Javi Martinez convert to CB full time.
pique is the overrated one here.

they aren't short at all.....
they have pique, marchena, ramos. before then they had puyol, senna, raul albiol, etc how are they short on CBs? germany have more CB problems than spain.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheNonce: 2:25pm On Oct 10, 2015
shocked

Na wa 4 some of you haters on here oh? Pique played side by side with puyol and won the treble, he then played side by side with mascherano and a rotating back line and still won the treble last season but he is still not world class? Or is it because he was a united player that dis bad belle is being allowed?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 2:30pm On Oct 10, 2015
coogar:


the whole team deserve the credits. don't talk like teams don't get scoring chances against spain. do you know what it means to go through knock out stages of the biggest international football competitions without conceding? abeg, leave matter....

pique is super-elite. one of the best defenders of his generation. we would all miss him when he retires. lay down his medals and he has more meaningful accolades than clubs like chelsea & arsenal. are you kidding me?



they aren't short at all.....
they have pique, marchena, ramos. before then they had puyol, senna, raul albiol, etc how are they short on CBs? germany have more CB problems than spain.
Senna was a midfielder, and ramos started as a RB.
Even if we wan nitpick Puyol used to be a rb too.
How many scoring chances do they get when one team average like 60% possesion per game.
Pique is lauded for his size,superior passing skill and technical ability and rightly so but when it comes to actual defence he is average at best.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:33pm On Oct 10, 2015
SIRcumalot:

Senna was a midfielder, and ramos started as a RB.
Even if we wan nitpick Puyol used to be a rb too.
How many scoring chances do they get when one team average like 60% possesion per game.
Pique is lauded for his size,superior passing skill and technical ability and rightly so but when it comes to actual defence he is average at best.

pique + puyol = euro 2012
pique + mascherano = UCL 2015
pique + puyol = world cup 2010

the only common factor is pique.....and yet he's average? heaven knows what he would be like if he's not average....

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 2:37pm On Oct 10, 2015
homesteady:


Yea... the system! Some of your type even say the system is what makes Messi look good!

Bananas & Guava.. grin

Messi makes a difference for barca - his influence on the team is the reason why jerks like pique don't have to defend all the time in the 1st place.

Bringing messi into the mix clearly shows that you are outta points!!
homesteady:


Barcelona played a more direct football last season, and yet Piqué was one of the best defenders in Europe!

You want us to take a list that contains Ter-stegen a serious one?? Park well oga.

homesteady:


Who has been the best defender in EPL for a while now? - Terry. I guess you remember how he fared when he played in a high line defense under AVB, and Piqué the 'mediocre' defender Excells in such a system!

In addition to the possession game, barca also play the high line while ensuring that the forwards press high up the pitch. If you want to Compare this Barca side with a Team that soaks up pressure, that's your problem.

homesteady:


Does a Defensive midfielder need thousands of lessons to play as a defender?

You are better than this, trust me..

Yaya Toure who is known to be a defensive liability slotted in at CB effortlessly in a UCL final & was largely untroubled by the likes of tevez, Ronaldo & Rooney, yet you want us to believe it's a normal procedure.

homesteady:


How old was Piqué when he was in Man U? I know things are bad now for you guys, but it has not always been like that! man u had a great squad then, you don't expect such a young Piqué to break into the team!
Besides, it was only pique that couldn't break in, Pogba also!

Who said he should break into the 1st team? Pique was at the club when the likes of Anderson & Nani (his age mates) where already on the fringes of 1st team selection.

It's also worthy of mention that pique was a man utd player for 4 years (2004-2004).

homesteady:


Haa! Hazard won PFA player of the year, but he is playing rubbish now, does that mean he has always been playing rubbish?

Hazard was taking games by the scruff of the neck for Chelsea - stop comparing his loss of form to someone who has possession soccer to thank for limited defensive duties, hence his supposed "quality"!!

homesteady:


2 new keepers were bought at the same time, their duties were shared - Bravo for la liga and Ter Stegen for UCL!

Both goalies are equally useless...

Which top club alternates goalies that way if it's not that one or both of them are problematic?? Stop trying to defend his inclusion in that list so as to justify pique's presence there - it's ridiculous to say the least!!

homesteady:


After that save he made from Robben in the final, you still don't expect him to win it?

He won it because the Spanish side became "media darlings". Isn't this obvious??
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 2:42pm On Oct 10, 2015
I am enjoying this. Boatank better than sergio ramos grin coogar will never disappoint. Where is aareonakakanfo? Now, i am updating my list of sensible man utd fans and stvpid ones.


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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheNonce: 2:43pm On Oct 10, 2015
angry

See my guys honours abeg......
Club honours:
Manchester United
Premier League: 2007–08
FA Community Shield: 2007
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
Barcelona
La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11,
2012–13, 2014–15
Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15
Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011,2013
UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15
UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011

His International honours with spain:

FIFA World Cup: 2010
UEFA European Championship:2008, 2012
UEFA U-19 European Championship:2006

His Individual honours:

La Liga Breakthrough Player of the Year:2008-09
La Liga Best Defender: 2009-10
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2010, 2011, 2012
UEFA Champions League Team of the Season:2014–15
UEFA Team of the Year: 2010, 2011, 2012
ESM Team of the Year: 2010-11,[60]
2013-14, 2014-15
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2012
La Liga Team of the Season: 2014–15!


But still he is "local government class" to some people? Abeg make una park well! You must be learners!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:47pm On Oct 10, 2015
airmark:
I am enjoying this. Boatank better than sergio ramos grin coogar will never disappoint. Where is aareonakakanfo? Now, i am updating my list of sensible man utd fans and stvpid ones.

stop mentioning my name in your idiotic musings......

TheNonce:
angry
See my guys honours abeg......
Club honours:
Manchester United
Premier League: 2007–08
FA Community Shield: 2007
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
Barcelona
La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11,
2012–13, 2014–15
Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15
Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011,2013
UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15
UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011
His International honours with spain:
FIFA World Cup: 2010
UEFA European Championship:2008, 2012
UEFA U-19 European Championship:2006
His Individual honours:
La Liga Breakthrough Player of the Year:2008-09
La Liga Best Defender: 2009-10
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2010, 2011, 2012
UEFA Champions League Team of the Season:2014–15
UEFA Team of the Year: 2010, 2011, 2012
ESM Team of the Year: 2010-11,[60]
2013-14, 2014-15
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2012
La Liga Team of the Season: 2014–15!


But still he is "local government class" to some people? Abeg make una park well! You must be learners!

he's local govt class but wait for it......john terry & jamie carragher would be considered world class by them.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 2:51pm On Oct 10, 2015
I don't want to believe coogar actually said that. He was probably joking, we all crack jokes and people misconstrue our jokes
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheNonce: 2:54pm On Oct 10, 2015
grin[quote author=coogar post=388511



he's local govt class but wait for it......john terry & jamie carragher would be considered world class by them. [/quote]


Don't mind the blue ape _shits! Although fear no go allow them make that kind analogy! Na John"the adulterator" terry sef go personally sue shekpites for slander if them yarn that kind opata!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:55pm On Oct 10, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:
I don't want to believe coogar actually said that. He was probably joking, we all crack jokes and people misconstrue our jokes

boateng is currently the best CB in the world. pique follows closely and ramos is rated 3rd. you have others that range from flash in a pan to one season wonders to the has beens and the overrated featherweighs!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 2:56pm On Oct 10, 2015
coogar:


pique + puyol = euro 2012
pique + mascherano = UCL 2015
pique + puyol = world cup 2010

the only common factor is pique.....and yet he's average? heaven knows what he would be like if he's not average....
Why not include the bayern job,
And the WC 2015 outing.

the most important of part a defenders game is still "defence" and when your team is under siege you can turn to pique and see how that will work for you.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 3:02pm On Oct 10, 2015
coogar:


boateng is currently the best CB in the world. pique follows closely and ramos is rated 3rd. you have others that range from flash in a pan to one season wonders to the has beens and the overrated featherweighs!



To start with, are we judging based on form or overall? i.e what they can do on a good day. Going by the emboldened, does it mean if chamakh is scoring 5 goals per match and messi hasn't scored in the past 10 games, we'll say chamakh is better since its current? Not to say boateng hasn't been consistent but him being the best CB? Hell NO!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheNonce: 3:02pm On Oct 10, 2015
grin

Kai? No type of wonders wey man no go see for this man united thread sha! Some of una no go even fit work with brilla fm branch for zamfara state as local pundits if dey decided to open 1!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 3:03pm On Oct 10, 2015
coogar:


stop mentioning my name in your idiotic musings......



he's local govt class but wait for it......john terry & jamie carragher would be considered world class by them.
Is it the old john terry we have now you're referring to
Or the JT of old ?
Now who is biased.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by homesteady(m): 3:14pm On Oct 10, 2015
Dadehmola:


Bananas & Guava.. grin

Messi makes a difference for barca - his influence on the team is the reason why jerks like pique don't have to defend all the time in the 1st place.

Bringing messi into the mix clearly shoes that you are outta points!!

And don't you know that it's players like Messi who make his defending job harder by not tracking back?
Is attacking the only aspect of a game? No - that means other players play important functions.


want us to take a list that contains Ter-stegen a serious one?? Park well oga.
Ermmm.... how many times do I have to say this - He had a good season and even won best save of the tournament! Was it not his UCL form that made people and the press to say he was Neuer's heir?



In addition to the possession game, barca also play the high line while ensuring that the forwards press high up the pitch. If you want to Compare this Barca side with a Team that soaks up pressure, that's your problem.

O really? Why then does your team not play with a high line defense?
Who doesn't know that is the most difficult style of defending where you are highly exposed to counter-attacks?
Why was the whole world blaming Pep for using a highline against barcelona last UCL season?






You are better than this, trust me..

Yaya Toure who is known to be a defensive liability slotted in at CB effortlessly in a UCL final & was largely untroubled by the likes of tevez, Ronaldo & Rooney, yet you want us to believe it's a normal procedure.

He became a defensive liability in Man city.



Hazard was taking games by the scruff of the neck for Chelsea - stop comparing his loss of form to someone who has always possession soccer to thank for limited defensive duties, hence his supposed "quality"!!


Read my post well, I was comparing Hazard situation to Ter Stegen!


goalies are equally useless...

Which top club alternates goalies that way if it's not that one or both of them are problematic?? Stop trying to defend his inclusion in that list so as to justify pique's presence there - it's ridiculous to say the least!!

Lmaoooooooooooo! Bravo won copa America with Chile, it shows you don't know what you are talking about gringrin

You would surely make a bad coach! You buy 2 new good keepers, is sharing responsibilities between them the best thing to do?



won it because the Spanish side became media darlings. Isn't this obvious??

there is always ab excuse! SMH grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by barackohandso(m): 3:16pm On Oct 10, 2015
Pique is a world class defender anytime anyday. Critics can't continue to hide under Barca and spain's brand of play to discredit what he has achieved in football. He's won 3 UCL for crying out loud and he did it being an integral member not a bit-part player. Once can be termed luck but thrice? Nah it's special

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:18pm On Oct 10, 2015
SIRcumalot:

Is it the old john terry we have now you're referring to
Or the JT of old ?
Now who is biased.

there has never been a time john terry was better than pique. there has never been a time terry is better than ramos or even boateng. which yeye terry?

barackohandso:
Pique is a world class defender anytime anyday. Critics can't continue to hide under Barca and spain's brand of play to discredit what he has achieved in football. He's won 3 UCL for crying out loud and he did it being an integral member not a bit-part player. Once can be termed luck but thrice? Nah it's special

the same fools consider terry, kompany and zouma world class defenders. cheesy grin i dunno why some people have eyes and yet cannot see......

Aareonakakanfo:

To start with, are we judging based on form or overall? i.e what they can do on a good day. Going by the emboldened, does it mean if chamakh is scoring 5 goals per match and messi hasn't scored in the past 10 games, we'll say chamakh is better since its current? Not to say boateng hasn't been consistent but him being the best CB? Hell NO!

mention one defender better than boateng as we speak.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 3:31pm On Oct 10, 2015
coogar:





mention one defender better than boateng as we speak.



Pique and ramos are better than him
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by barackohandso(m): 3:33pm On Oct 10, 2015
coogar:


the same fools consider terry, kompany and zouma world class defenders. cheesy grin i dunno why some people have eyes and yet cannot see......



Terry? The current terry that's being räpëd every week. He's past it

Kompany's just a local champion that's all, with the number of talents he has alongside him in both country and club he should be leading them to international titles

Zouma is still upcoming
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:36pm On Oct 10, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:


Pique and ramos are better than him

bwahahahahahaha grin cheesy

not a chance!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by barackohandso(m): 3:37pm On Oct 10, 2015
I think it's just beef critics have for pique. At 27 an insane amount of trophies (and still counting) and a girlfriend who's equally successful and a global brand. E no easy mehn !
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 3:44pm On Oct 10, 2015
coogar:


there has never been a time john terry was better than pique. there has never been a time terry is better than ramos or even boateng. which yeye terry?



the same fools consider terry, kompany and zouma world class defenders. cheesy grin i dunno why some people have eyes and yet cannot see......



mention one defender better than boateng as we speak.
Anybody that watched chelsea in jose first stint with the club can link chelsea dominance to the brilliance of JT,makelele and Carvalho.
Can you say the same for barcelona with pique and Co
Is pique the main reason why teams don't score barcelona ?
I am not beyond reason,
I have toned down my rooney love when faced with reality and I admitted that silva was the better player.
Pique is overrated.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheNonce: 3:46pm On Oct 10, 2015
grin

Chelshit fans really have nothing to hold on to this season! They are succesfully putting up the worst championship defence in history? They are battling relegation? And now they are relying on time machine based arguments or punditry filled with blind hate to make themselves feel something other than disgust over there aged and sad looking team! Airmong! Take heart ehn? Lmfao!!!

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