₦airaland Forum

chuna1985:
If u want to witness first hand tribalism, go to Yoruba land.

We won those assembly seats fair n square.

MayorofLagos:
You are lucky that happened before Oba Akiolu instructed your Ezes about the Lagoon....if it had happened.after their proper drop off would have been in the Lagoon, not in Onitsha.

Bloody freaks!

Shymm3x:
Yoruba language is tonal. I'd rather just leave it alone till I'm in a place where folks speak it properly and build from there, than force it. I do speak a little bit but it's never going to be real. It's just like the way British Jamaicans and New York/Miami Jamaicans speak Patois. It's not the same way as proper Jamaicans from the Island speak it.

I understand the culture perfectly - that's what counts.

MayorofLagos:
You are lucky that happened before Oba Akiolu instructed your Ezes about the Lagoon....if it had happened.after their proper drop off would have been in the Lagoon, not in Onitsha.

Bloody freaks!

Shymm3x:
I honestly don't know if you're feigning ignorance or it's basically just the typical vacuous exhibition of arrogance, non-existent sense of entitlement, and emotional impulses that override logical reasoning - hence you keep citing non-applicable references out of context to buttress a non-existence point.

1). When was Lagos state ever conquered and who conquered it? Epe all the way to the other side of Lagos Island and Ikorodu have always been under Ijebu Kingdom and they were only seceded to the colonists under an agreement after the Anglo-Ijebu war...but they remain Ijebuland. The Bini ruled Eko (Lagos Island) for a while but after they left the Aworis took back their land. Badagry was Dahomey territory and since Oyo ruled Dahomey for a long time - it was under Oyo. Oyos founded Ikoyi. Ijeshas and Ekitis founded where the Brits built rail terminals in Lagos (Can't remember the name of the place - someone please help me lol). Egbas own certain areas in Lagos. And Aworis own the rest. All these are Yoruba subgroups - so who conquered Lagos?

Or are you saying Igbos have conquered Lagos now? If so, how come you have only one rep member out of the gazillion of rep members in the house? How come the state has a Yoruba governor and the governance of the state is done by only Yorubas? Why is everything, from language, to culture, to tradition, to kingship etc. in Lagos quintessentially Yoruba? You sound more delusional than I initially thought. A conqueror wouldn't be crying about the language of the conquered in the house of assembly - he would change the language. Perhaps, the bigoted and crying lone-ranger should that - rather than cry everywhere. Agree?

And no, London allowed different folks into the city - so as to keep the heritage and culture alive. Hence the primary thing about being a Londoner is how well you've assimilated into the British culture/way-of-life. If you can't assimilate into what London represents - you need to get the fvck out. You can't force your own opinions on a next person's territory. A couple of Scottish MPs have represented different consistuents in London - and they never complained about the use of English language in an English city. Get with it, or get the fvck out, period.

If indigenous people do not build or develop a city - who built and developed Lagos? Who built and developed London, Paris, Budapest, Tehran, Shanghai, Seoul, Tokyo, Abeokuta, Ibadan etc.? Aliens, yes?

2). Igbos have a "strong" representation in the economic sphere of Lagos (this is disputable based on what real economics of a cosmopolitan city is - but I'll agree with you for argument sake) - but how does that make Lagos a conquered city owned and controlled by Igbos.

As for the other tosh you spouted here - I'll just ignore the emotional outburst. That has no bearing on the discourse.

xtrorse:
Don't you think you're the bigot who's lamenting in this case and even maligning the Igbo Lagos Assembly member who displayed great wisdom and tact while answering the questions posed to him?

Go through the interview and see for yourself so you can cease displaying your vacuous arrogance and conceited ego online.

There's nothing covetous in anyone acquiring landed properties that were freely sold in the market in any place on earth.

Covetousness is even the other way round and your greedy Yoruba folks are the culprits. [B]You don't expect an Igbo man who was sold lands at hundreds of millions of Naira per plot not to exercise his rights as the due landlord[/b]. In fact it's criminal and punishable with lengthy jail terms for any Yoruba man to ever think he can dispossess the Igbo man of his assets in Lagos. That can only be possible in medieval times, and it's a wishful thinking and suicidal in this modern age.

There is no law on this earth that prohibits free movement of people, acquiring properties and participation in government. It takes a man of courage to venture into an unknown terrain and conquer it. This is the true character of the ever industrious and peace-loving Great Igbo Nation.

As of today it would be an understatement to aver that Igbos control 50% of the economy of Lagos and its environs.

Advise your Yorubas folks to stop lazing around and depending on the crude oil wealth from another's backyard. Tell them to travel out and see what the future holds in other places and climes. And nothing on this earth stops you from hustling and buying up properties in the South-East.

If Yorubas can grow thick skins then they are capable of surviving and competing favourably across the Niger. They should venture into remote areas of the North, Middle-belt and South-South zones to invest, build houses and establish business empires as the Igbos do. There's nothing stopping them except them!

Cease from being short-sighted and wallowing in the ocean of tribalism. You end up dissipating your energy in hating and being envious of goal-getters and achievers - the Great Igbo Nation who have made life meaningful for you and your folks in Lagos and its environs.

Kagawa10:
Lands are leased, not sold!
Get that straight, copy and paste dullard!

xtrorse:
Scallywag, when you're done with your online chest-beating venture into the streets of Lagos and carry out your numerous, now deafening e-threats...

simplycarro:
Shat da feckk up! He just told you the reality, that you only leased, you can't buy land, except probably in your village hamlets.

Shymm3x:
I honestly don't know if you're feigning ignorance or it's basically just the typical vacuous exhibition of arrogance, non-existent sense of entitlement, and emotional impulses that override logical reasoning - hence you keep citing non-applicable references out of context to buttress a non-existence point.

1). When was Lagos state ever conquered and who conquered it? Epe all the way to the other side of Lagos Island and Ikorodu have always been under Ijebu Kingdom and they were only seceded to the colonists under an agreement after the Anglo-Ijebu war...but they remain Ijebuland. The Bini ruled Eko (Lagos Island) for a while but after they left the Aworis took back their land. Badagry was Dahomey territory and since Oyo ruled Dahomey for a long time - it was under Oyo. Oyos founded Ikoyi. Ijeshas and Ekitis founded where the Brits built rail terminals in Lagos (Can't remember the name of the place - someone please help me lol). Egbas own certain areas in Lagos. And Aworis own the rest. All these are Yoruba subgroups - so who conquered Lagos?

Or are you saying Igbos have conquered Lagos now? If so, how come you have only one rep member out of the gazillion of rep members in the house? How come the state has a Yoruba governor and the governance of the state is done by only Yorubas? Why is everything, from language, to culture, to tradition, to kingship etc. in Lagos quintessentially Yoruba? You sound more delusionally than I initially thought. A conqueror wouldn't be crying about the language of the conquered in the house of assembly - he would change the language. Perhaps, the bigoted and crying lone-ranger should that - rather than cry everywhere. Agree?

And no, London allowed different folks into the city - so as to keep the heritage and culture alive. Hence the primary thing about being a Londoner is how well you've assimilated into the British culture/way-of-life. If you can't assimilate into what London represents - you need to get the fvck out. You can't force your own opinions on a next person's territory. A couple of Scottish MPs have represented different consistuents in London - and they never complained about the use of English language in an English city. Get with it, or get the fvck out, period.

If indigenous people do not build or develop a city - who built and developed Lagos? Who built and developed London, Paris, Budapest, Tehran, Shanghai, Seoul, Tokyo, Abeokuta, Ibadan etc.? Aliens, yes?

2). Igbos have a "strong" representation in the economic sphere of Lagos (this is disputable based on what real economics of a cosmopolitan city is - but I'll agree with you for argument sake) - but how does that make Lagos a conquered city owned and controlled by Igbos.

As for the other tosh you spouted here - I'll just ignore the emotional outburst. That has no bearing on the discourse.

xtrorse:
[s]Brainless agbo ópá èyín and şépè hawker, you and your fellow clowns cannot try such stupidity with the Great Igbo Nation..[/s].

xtrorse:
[s]Brainless agbo ópá èyín and şépè hawker, you and your fellow clowns cannot try such stupidity with the Great Igbo Nation..[/s].

simplycarro:
simplycarro, the brainless agbo ópá èyín and şépè hawker, you and your fellow Yorrobber clowns cannot try such stupidity with the Great Igbo Nation...

Shymm3x:
I honestly don't know if you're feigning ignorance or it's basically just the typical vacuous exhibition of arrogance, non-existent sense of entitlement, and emotional impulses that override logical reasoning - hence you keep citing non-applicable references out of context to buttress a non-existence point.

1). When was Lagos state ever conquered and who conquered it? Epe all the way to the other side of Lagos Island and Ikorodu have always been under Ijebu Kingdom and they were only seceded to the colonists under an agreement after the Anglo-Ijebu war...but they remain Ijebuland. The Bini ruled Eko (Lagos Island) for a while but after they left the Aworis took back their land. Badagry was Dahomey territory and since Oyo ruled Dahomey for a long time - it was under Oyo. Oyos founded Ikoyi. Ijeshas and Ekitis founded where the Brits built rail terminals in Lagos (Can't remember the name of the place - someone please help me lol). Egbas own certain areas in Lagos. And Aworis own the rest. All these are Yoruba subgroups - so who conquered Lagos?

Or are you saying Igbos have conquered Lagos now? If so, how come you have only one rep member out of the gazillion of rep members in the house? How come the state has a Yoruba governor and the governance of the state is done by only Yorubas? Why is everything, from language, to culture, to tradition, to kingship etc. in Lagos quintessentially Yoruba? You sound more delusional than I initially thought. A conqueror wouldn't be crying about the language of the conquered in the house of assembly - he would change the language. Perhaps, the bigoted and crying lone-ranger should that - rather than cry everywhere. Agree?

And no, London allowed different folks into the city - so as to keep the heritage and culture alive. Hence the primary thing about being a Londoner is how well you've assimilated into the British culture/way-of-life. If you can't assimilate into what London represents - you need to get the fvck out. You can't force your own opinions on a next person's territory. A couple of Scottish MPs have represented different consistuents in London - and they never complained about the use of English language in an English city. Get with it, or get the fvck out, period.

If indigenous people do not build or develop a city - who built and developed Lagos? Who built and developed London, Paris, Budapest, Tehran, Shanghai, Seoul, Tokyo, Abeokuta, Ibadan etc.? Aliens, yes?

2). Igbos have a "strong" representation in the economic sphere of Lagos (this is disputable based on what real economics of a cosmopolitan city is - but I'll agree with you for argument sake) - but how does that make Lagos a conquered city owned and controlled by Igbos.

As for the other tosh you spouted here - I'll just ignore the emotional outburst. That has no bearing on the discourse.

StBlack1:
Sup Shymexx

I've been scaling through all your comments with that guy for long. Truth is, he won't crack a bit to accept the reality that Ibos and their relevance in Lagos is a mirage, just like his fellow kinsmen. Though he is making good points about the need for Yorubas to be more open as democracy dictates, he at the same time is doing a very poor job of hiding his bias by not accepting that "the majority makes the call". He failed to understand and accept that be it the "owners" or the "occupiers", the majority is what determines democracy, not the other way round.

A simple question to him will be if we are agree with the dictates of democracy, and Yorubas institute laws that locks out non-natives of SW from certain political positions in Yoruba States through their power of the majority rule, are they still right or wrong?.... I remembered the last time I threw this question to one of the sensible Igbos, all of a sudden, our once sensible and constructive arguments turned sour. Next thing, this pazzo went nuts and starting raining insults when he couldn't keep up.

Shymm3x:
I honestly don't know if you're feigning ignorance or it's basically just the typical vacuous exhibition of arrogance, non-existent sense of entitlement, and emotional impulses that override logical reasoning - hence you keep citing non-applicable references out of context to buttress a non-existence point.

1). When was Lagos state ever conquered and who conquered it? Epe all the way to the other side of Lagos Island and Ikorodu have always been under Ijebu Kingdom and they were only seceded to the colonists under an agreement after the Anglo-Ijebu war...but they remain Ijebuland. The Bini ruled Eko (Lagos Island) for a while but after they left the Aworis took back their land. Badagry was Dahomey territory and since Oyo ruled Dahomey for a long time - it was under Oyo. Oyos founded Ikoyi. Ijeshas and Ekitis founded where the Brits built rail terminals in Lagos (Can't remember the name of the place - someone please help me lol). Egbas own certain areas in Lagos. And Aworis own the rest. All these are Yoruba subgroups - so who conquered Lagos?

Or are you saying Igbos have conquered Lagos now? If so, how come you have only one rep member out of the gazillion of rep members in the house? How come the state has a Yoruba governor and the governance of the state is done by only Yorubas? Why is everything, from language, to culture, to tradition, to kingship etc. in Lagos quintessentially Yoruba? You sound more delusional than I initially thought. A conqueror wouldn't be crying about the language of the conquered in the house of assembly - he would change the language. Perhaps, the bigoted and crying lone-ranger should that - rather than cry everywhere. Agree?

And no, London allowed different folks into the city - so as to keep the heritage and culture alive. Hence the primary thing about being a Londoner is how well you've assimilated into the British culture/way-of-life. If you can't assimilate into what London represents - you need to get the fvck out. You can't force your own opinions on a next person's territory. A couple of Scottish MPs have represented different consistuents in London - and they never complained about the use of English language in an English city. Get with it, or get the fvck out, period.

If indigenous people do not build or develop a city - who built and developed Lagos? Who built and developed London, Paris, Budapest, Tehran, Shanghai, Seoul, Tokyo, Abeokuta, Ibadan etc.? Aliens, yes?

2). Igbos have a "strong" representation in the economic sphere of Lagos (this is disputable based on what real economics of a cosmopolitan city is - but I'll agree with you for argument sake) - but how does that make Lagos a conquered city owned and controlled by Igbos.

As for the other tosh you spouted here - I'll just ignore the emotional outburst. That has no bearing on the discourse.

kaboninc:
You are funny and biased too.

(1)On the question of if there's a relevance of Igbos in Lagos, I'll leave that for another day.

(2)I will restate it again. It doesn't matter who owns a community but who occupies it. But simple logic, devoid of biased reasoning will tell you that the occupiers (in their numbers) determine who controls the city.

(3)If we agree to the dictates of democracy and even in a state like Ogun and somehow, the majority of the House are of the Igbo stock, how will you feel as a Yoruba when laws are made to exclude you? The answer you provide will be give insight to your last paragraph.

MayorofLagos:
The terminus is at Ido, a sub district of Oto, which is owned by Oloto, the child of Olofin, the migrant from Ile Ife and owner of Lagos.

StBlack1:
Sup Shymexx

I've been scaling through all your comments with that guy for long. Truth is, he won't crack a bit to accept the reality that Ibos and their relevance in Lagos is a mirage, just like his fellow kinsmen. Though he is making good points about the need for Yorubas to be more open as democracy dictates, he at the same time is doing a very poor job of hiding his bias by not accepting that "the majority makes the call". He failed to understand and accept that be it the "owners" or the "occupiers", the majority is what determines democracy, not the other way round.

A simple question to him will be if we are agree with the dictates of democracy, and Yorubas institute laws that locks out non-natives of SW from certain political positions in Yoruba States through their power of the majority rule, are they still right or wrong?.... I remembered the last time I threw this question to one of the sensible Igbos, all of a sudden, our once sensible and constructive arguments turned sour. Next thing, this pazzo went nuts and starting raining insults when he couldn't keep up.

kaboninc:
You are a case of one who writes epistle without going straight to the point. You claim to be 'intelligent' but don't let it becloud sound reasoning and judgement. I never asked you about the chronological history of Lagos as it is irrelevant to our discussion - well thanks for enlightening me. You should open your eyes when reading from me. I'll repeat it: it doesn't matter who owns a city but who occupies and control it. If the Egbas like, they can be the aboriginal owners of Onitsha but today, the Igbos control it. That is what matters. So any reference to it should not whip up unnecessary sentiments but merely academic exercises.

The Egbas, Aworis, Ijebus, Ekitis and co can lay claim to the ownership of Lagos for all I care. That's for an academic exercise to you and probably your comrades who spill bile.

It is laughable for you to ask who built Lagos. It appears you are deficient in that area. Whenever you take the trip down here, you'll answer that question yourself. As for London, Paris and the rest of Europe, the coveted history you so revere is actually 'twerking' against you.

For the last time - and probably my last response to you because you seem to have a problem of not properly reading through comments before jumping to respond - I have never talked about the conquest of Lagos by the Igbos. I have and still maintained that those who contribute significantly towards the success of your community must be represented.

And lastly, you missed my point about London. London opens it doors to all and sundry - for the charm, for economic and social development, for the history and heritage. But it is also inevitable that man has a nature to conquer and you have to work towards avoiding that. So one way of allowing the threat to your survival is by allowing those who contribute significantly to the progress of your community a representation in Government, in the grand scheme of things. That is why London is thriving today - not the glamour, glitz, culture and heritage. So when you read and study history, pay attention to the substance. That is why the people are asking for a representation in government from the Royals - from Saudi Arabia, to the UK, to Spain.

Missy89:
kaboninc slayer

xtrorse:
Brainless agbo ópá èyín and şépè hawker, you and your fellow clowns cannot try such stupidity with the Great Igbo Nation...

Shymm3x:
The guy just sounds like an educated illiterate. Copying and pasting all kinds of disjointed historical references with non-existent ownership and conquest. A lot of these folks are just delusional.

I can't believe they folks think they own, control, and conquered Lagos - bwahahahahahaha.

Conqueror that owns nothing significant, not even the smallest representation of his culture in a conquered territory.

Antivirus92:
hey Igboman....are u Yoruba today?
hahahaha

MayorofLagos:
Everytime there is discussion on Yoruba culture and indigenity you Ibos throw an American example to whitewash legitimacy of the points in favor to native rights. Yorubaland is not America and will never be America. There is no validity to Ibo's population in Lagos any other way than to look at election results and voting patterns. There is no way you are 40% in Lagos and APC had a landslide victory in the State at all levels. It is mathematically and statistically impossible.....the only area the number has validity is in the minds of propagandists.

As a Lagos indigene myself my hatred for Ibos knows no bounds, simply because traditionally our motto is Eko for Show....Eko is the land of fancy and merriment, you make your money, live a good life and uplift the community. Since Ibo started smelling itself in Lagos the Show in Eko has dissapeared, what we have now is Eko for Conflict! Every news, every topic, every issue about Lagos Ibo wants to dominate and when you are denied space you turn it into conflict....your Ohanaeze gets involved, your Ezes get involved, you run to social media and insult and denigrate Yoruba culture, its leaders and even the land.

We do not owe you anything.....Iboland owe you a Yoruba free assembly, Yorubaland does not.

I want you also to pay attention to emerging issues in the Nation. Hausas in the North are tired of you and your ignomity in their region and everytime the issue of separation comes up from anywhere they oppose it but when issue of regionalism comes up they are silent.
Yorubas have been agitating for regionalism as a first option and secessiin as a last resort.
Ibos do not ask for regionalism at all, you are focused on either a continous centralized power or a secession.

Even today in ministerial screening we got hints first, of Ibo's sourness and reference back to a transparent action in which every ethnic group was affected by Fsshola's deportation saga, the fact an Ibo senator will challenge that more than a year after a court threw it out speaks volume of your bitterness, hatred and long throat. Second, Fashola introduced into the minds of Senators that decentralisation will be an agenda of the current administration. In fact two Emirs in the North have joined the chorus of Yorubas and begged Buhari to implement the Confab report of 2014.

Regionalism will shift our political center in Yorubaland back to Ibadan. Policies will be drafted by representatives from each of the Yoruba Commonwealth and business in Lagos will no longer be as usual.

Yorubaland has never in its history regretted welcoming others on its soil and providing refuge and solace for their troubles....for first time in our land and history every Yoruba regrets having Ibo on its soil.

Shame and death on Ibos!

StBlack1:
Where the hell is Kaboninc?....

You are yet to defend my questions.

bakynes:
@ shymexx Thank you my brother, my fellow Londoner and Yoruba citizen. I have told igbos severally that, the Lagos they say is owned by the Binis was Lagos island and it was reclaimed by the aworis when the Binis left.I told them aside Lagos island all other lands in Lagos is owned by Ijebus, aworis etc. even though I didn't explain it in details like you did, thanks for educating us further. We must open our eyes and be vigilante to the threat from this people(igbos). I even used the Yoruba and Indian MPs in London as an example, does it mean because of them they will start speaking Yoruba or whatever language they speak in Indian.

Now if they say igbos has a 40% Population in Lagos, so the Yorubas who own Lagos are a minorities in Lagos then because we have a sizeable population of Hausas, Binis, Ijaw, Calabar etc in Lagos so Yorubas and the rest of other tribes share the rest of the 60% Population. I laugh out so loud. .

Some say igbos developed Lagos, please help me ask them if the past and present Governors of Lagos are igbos, is it the Government that develop a place or the various igbo traders?
Lets just leave them alone, they have opened our eyes and now we shouldn't sleep with our two eyes closed.

MayorofLagos:
Duke,
There are thousands of Ibos in Lagos whose kins back in village are misled to believe they are in London. This is a fact!

They have a well developed mind and elaborate skills in creating, packaging and delivering deceptions and things generally apathy to truth. Hence they excel in manufacturing and selling fake products and convincing their customers that the product is the best anywhere. This is their gift and no one can beat Ibo in the act of deception and mistruth.

So they represent to their people back home, with pictures, that mansions in Lekki and Ikoyi and Ikeja and high end residential areas of Lagos are owned by Ibos. Picture speaks more than words. The villagers are sold on the lies and they in turn startbrumors that their sons own mansions in Lagos. When it passes to the next village the story has been embellished to include all of Lagos. So new refugees leaving village to Lagos come with the impression of Ibos own Lagos.

When you have someone like Jude, allowed by Yorubas, to win a seat in the Lagos assembly and its published in papers and is taken to village for them to see and read, tell me, my brother, how anyone in alaibo, even if they were doubters before, will not now believe that Ibo is the true owner of Lagos.