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Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Kagawa10: 12:19am On Oct 18, 2015 |
onenaira3:There's no use writing epistles! The problem with you is that you have problem with comprehension! For instance, the bolded part say virus has 'kind of similar' cellular structure as prokaryotes! This doesn't means it can function as cells! For example, I have legs used for walking but so also, a plant has a stem stalk which is similar to a leg structure! However, can a plant uses its stem to walk? Absolutely No! It is true that a virus has a protein coat which looks similar to the cell membrane of a prokaryotes but do they have similar function? Absolute NO! As a matter of fact, the only true cellular structure a virus has is its RNA/DNA, which carries the information needed to function in a host cell! The host cell simply gives virus the viable environment needed to become a living organism but without a host cell, it's simply dead!! Really can't believe I'm doing all this! Did you know my course study in school? The fact that a cell is simply the basic unit of life should have rest the case for intelligent folks but certainly not with a dummy like you! |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Kagawa10: 12:39am On Oct 18, 2015 |
tonychristopher: tonychristopher:Lol! The bini men I know wears the full trouser and top, mostly white, with a wrapper tied from the waistline to the neck region! |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Kagawa10: 12:52am On Oct 18, 2015 |
onenaira3:What you were afraid to say is that even the pictures posted by you has the dein of Agbor putting on a white attires with beads on his necks and hands! Care to explain why and why Agbor has areas with Bini names? Shameless man! 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by tonychristopher: 4:23am On Oct 18, 2015 |
Kagawa10: This boy grow up...I did not say trouser ..I said white very big wrapper Stop clowning ...here Mr UKWUANI is not Igbo |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by tonychristopher: 4:29am On Oct 18, 2015 |
onenaira3: He keeps going round and round |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by tonychristopher: 4:31am On Oct 18, 2015 |
onenaira3: How did they pass waec is what I can't say ....when you come to nairaland ..you will appreciate that Nigerian education is on the left side How can he say unicellular organisms are not living creatures Damnnnnn |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by tonychristopher: 4:36am On Oct 18, 2015 |
Kagawa10: This guy is totally fvcked....why did I even started convo with you We just talked about cells and not classifications of cells Did you go to school at all? |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 12:53pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
thiagoneves: Ok we agreed. now tell us why everyone had to run from bini 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 12:38am On Oct 19, 2015 |
DelticStephEn:lol Abavo oral tradition claims their founding father, Awu, had migrated directly from Benin (Amokwu and Jegbefume, n.d). According to Abavo oral tradition, their founding father, Awu, was originally from Benin. He escaped from Bini kingdom around the 15th or 16th century to avoid being sacrificed and later settled at Abavo (Amokwu and Jegbefume, n.d). |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 12:51am On Oct 19, 2015 |
DelticStephEn:Mbiri's oral tradition claims that Arun who migrated from Iwaisi, or the native doctor's quarter in Benin founded Mbiri. Arun, a hunter, reached the present site of Mbiri on one of his hunting expeditions and settled down there. Mbiri's oral tradition also claims that Arun had four sons three of whom were responsible for the founding of the following towns: Ewuhimi, Mbiri and Igbanke. The fourth son is claimed to have returned to Benin (Intelligence report 1932). Mbiri adopted the monarchical system, based on Benin tradition, found in most Ika clans. According to Intelligence report (1932), "1n 1915 the Mbiris attempted to put themselves directly under the Oba of Benin, and sent a large sum of money to the Oba to gain this end. It is obvious that it was at this time that the present Chief went to Benin and received the title of Obi from the Oba, along with the Ada, or ceremonial sword, which forms part of the regalia of this title. They were again visited by the district District Commissioner who told them that they were part of Agbor District and could not therefore come under Benin"(Intelligence report 1932: 10). The Mbiri clan has the same political system as other Ika clans. |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Donarozzi: 5:16am On Oct 19, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: These fictitious claims are just a way of trying to form relationship with a powerful kingdom that was Benin. People only want to attach themselves to a powerful kingdom so that their own history would seem powerful and well established. But despite all these fictitious claims, the natural evidence always reminds the people of their true identity. Mbiri people are Igbo. They are part of the indigenous Igbo groups that make up Anioma. Like some sections of Anioma, they borrowed certain monarchical features of the Benin Kingdom. However, today, Anioma people are beginning to throw away these Benin mode of dressing and embracing their original Igbo identity. 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Abagworo(m): 5:51am On Oct 19, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: Such a shame. Chai! Igbos have really suffered. Imagine an Ika clan sending a large sum of money to Oba of Benin just to distort their own history. These Mbiri people should never talk where men are talking. 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by onenaira3: 5:57am On Oct 19, 2015 |
Abagworo: Someone wrote an I quote "according to intelligence report" blah blah happened and you believed it. Then again wtf do I except from a chronic anioma hater. Obviously you'll believe it. |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Abagworo(m): 6:06am On Oct 19, 2015 |
onenaira3: I am Anioma myself so I don't get you. I feel ashamed at many actions taken by Igbo speakers to lean towards Benin. No be by force. Another of such shame exists in Rivers State where Ogba people that speak Igbo and never had a centralised kingship but made communal decisions with Okenye obodo or eldest man chairing village meetings suddenly adopted Benin style leadership and built a Benin architectural palace and then named the newly adopted leader Oba. They killed their original culture in order to claim Benin affiliation. I am sure some newer generation Umuogba might even believe they always had Oba. 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by onenaira3: 6:12am On Oct 19, 2015 |
DelticStephEn: I actually never knew you replied. Sorry for the late reply. Are you talking about Kunirum Ossai? My father calls him the laughing stock of anioma. One time I was actually researching a topic, I learned that osai was the founder of a very popular anioma association in USA, it's called Anioma Association USA. This man literally left that association and disassociated himself from it because none of the members of all the chapters were agreeing with him. My parents especially my father calls him a laughing stock, I personally thinks he's a low self esteem coward. He refuses to sit and actually allow others to argue with him in his history distortion attempt by him rather he seeks his like mind. I heard he's dead.. I don't wing to the dead but if he is, I'm glad. Him and emeka esogbue are so much alike because Emeka is exactly the same way. Rather than argue with those with opposing views, him waka run and open up a site just to rant out whatever nonsense that comes out of his mouth. I keep saying it the worst thing our ancestors did was allow the bini to stay after they defeated them. That's the worst thing. 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by onenaira3: 6:15am On Oct 19, 2015 |
Abagworo: Dude today you're anioma? Yesterday you were from IMO state, before that you claimed ikwerre, now you're f2king anioma. You're a shameless confused thing. I'm not even going to address you because I remember clearly each time you tried to pit SE against anioma. You're a chronic loser hater. NEXT!!! 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by menshealth212: 6:16am On Oct 19, 2015 |
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Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Abagworo(m): 6:23am On Oct 19, 2015 |
onenaira3: Can you site one instance of me pitting SE against my own people? My stand remains that whatever one calls himself should be respected and identity should never be forced on anyone. Only Aniocha and Oshimili report their ethnicity as Igbo in Delta State. The rest of Igbo speakers are still arguing on whether they are Igbo or not. Only Egbema and Oyigbo register their ethnicity as Igbo in Rivers State. The rest of Igbo speakers in Rivers State are equally on a long identity debate. This thread itself came about as a result of that and will still end inconclusive like those before it. I am from Oguta as known by most of my colleagues on Nairaland. Forget politics o |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by chinology: 6:28am On Oct 19, 2015 |
Nwanne m uche gi di ya. Don't waste your time on b.astards. Dalu.. onenaira3:
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Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Chiaka(f): 12:41pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
I see you are trying poorly hard to justify your failed point and ideology see how long it too be to reply your mail almost a week or so. I don't have time for bitter people. You fond of posting your threads with abuses. Its an attribute of losers and cowards get busy and quit your bitter leave mind. Tribal Bigot! Kagawa10: |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Chiaka(f): 12:43pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
I see you are trying poorly hard to justify your failed point and ideology see how long it too be to reply your mail almost a week or so. I don't have time for bitter people. You fond of posting your threads with abuses. Its an attribute of losers and cowards get busy and quit your bitter leave mind. Tribal Bigot! Lastly I will not reply your next mail. I am more of an action person. Kagawa10: |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 1:11pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
Abagworo:the problem is that they are not ibos. |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 1:21pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
onenaira3:Alisimie village was founded by a great hunter from Benin called Ene while his friend, Adagbe, who migrated with him founded the quarter of Alijemisi in Alisimie village. People that fled Uteh-Okpu clan and sought refuge in Agbor clan after a kingship succession dispute founded Aliokpu village (Simpson 1936). |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 1:25pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
onenaira3:Owa clan Geographically, Owa clan shares borders with Agbor clan in the west by the Orogodo River and Abavo clan, in the north Orogodo (Agbor metropolis), in the east by Umunede, Otolokpo and Ute-Okpu clans. Owa clan is made up of the seven villages and a metropolis: 1.Oyibu 2. Alizomor 3.Owa Alidinma 4.Ufie 5. Aliro 6.Owanta 7. Owa-Eke 8. Boji-Boji Owa (a metropolis) Owa has its origin in Nri, Northern Igbo (Forde and Jones 1967 and Isichei 1983). The founder of Oyibu village (also know as Owa Oyibu) was Odogu son of Ijie of Ute-Okpu (another Ika clan) who is from Nri (Northern Igbo) while "the other villages found in Owa clan are derived from Benin or other Agbor groups" (Forde and Jones 1967: 47). Oyibu village is the political centre of the Owa clan. According to Whiting (1936), Owa oral tradition has it that Odogu angrily left Ute-Okpu and settled near the present site of Oyibu village because his brother, Okpu, inherited everything after his fathers death, while Odogu was away serving the Oba of Benin in wars. However Ufie, the founder of Ufie village presently in the Owa clan, had already settled in the present site of Ufie village on the directive of the Oba of Benin who had bestowed on him the Obi title. After Odogu settled in Oyibu, it was claimed that Ufie invited Odogu to his Ikenga festival. Odogu, impressed by the festival, decided to celebrate it himself at Oyibu. He then invited Ufie. According to the legend, Odogu deceived Ufie into taking a subservient role during a ritual sacrifice thereby serving him. This action was observed by Odogu's subjects then proclaimed Odogu as greater than Ufie. Odogu then took the Obi title from Ufie. This, it is claimed, accounts for why Ufie is today a village in the Owa clan. Ozomo, Odogu's brother who followed him from Ute-Okpu founded Alizomo village while Omi and his wife Iro who came from Benin founded Aliro village. Okue who came from Benin founded Owanta village. Later, Adie later arrived from Ute-Okpu to found Idumu Adie, a quarter in Owanta (Whiting 1936). According to oral tradition, Ekei and his wife Abor who migrated from Benin when Ise was the Obi of Owa founded Owa-Eke village (Whiting's 1936). However the village of Owa-Eke initially moved away from Owa due to problems with Ise the Obi of Owa and settled at Owanike in the Benin Kingdom but the Owanike village later split and one part returned to Owa-Ekei in Owa still considering themselves as subjects of the Oba of Benin while serving the Obi of Owa. Ugbebo who was sent there by Obi Gbenoba of Owa to protect Owa traders buying guns and gunpowder from the Kwales founded Alidinma village (Whiting 1936). |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 1:29pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
Idumuesah clan Idumuesah shares boundary with Ute-Okpu clan in the east, in west and south west by Abavo clan and Owa clan in the north. Idumuesah was founded by a group of people that migrated from Ugboha in Ishan, north of Ika community (Forde and Jones 1967; Whiting 1936). Whiting (1936: 22) states that "It is uncertain whether they came to their first settlement in what is known as the Agbo bush between Oyibu and Aliro before or after Odogu". He stated that Ibile, one of the founders, is said to have come from Ugboha in Ishan Division and to have joined with Abu from Aboh in Kwale District in settling in the Agbo bush. Oje and Ilor came from Uromi in Ishan Division and joined them (Whiting 1936). Idumuesah consists of four villages, which may once have been quarters (Idumu): 1. Iliobome 2. Aliobo 3. Alioje 4. Alilor |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 1:31pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
In summary, while Owa and Ute-Okpu, Ute-Ogbeje have their origin in both Igbo and Benin areas, Agbor, Abavo Ute-Ogbeje, Akumazi, Umunede, Igbodo and Mbiri trace their clans to a single source, Benin (Fordes and Jones 1967: 47). Idumuesah traces its origin to Ishan but there also are villages that may have been established by people of Ukwuani origin. While Otolokpo traces its origin to Benin there are also villages in Otolokpo that trace their origin to Agbor. The relationship among all the Ika clans appear to be mainly in their Benin origin as well as a population shift, for various reasons, which resulted in movement or relocation of villages from one clan to another forming new allegiances as well retaining their former relationship with their origin. |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 1:48pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
In fact most Owa and Ika names seem to have Bini roots. For example, Usifo, Iwerebor, Ugbaja, Obaigbena, Obugbe, Obaze,Iduwe, etc. are names that akin to those in Bini Kingdom. Further, the chieftaincy titles in Owa land are similar to those in Bini Kingdom, e.g. Obasagbon, Ihaza, Iyase, Osula etc. In the main, Owa originated from Bini Kingdom as all other Ika speaking groups. |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by Ubenedictus(m): 1:57pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
what does the following words mean in igbo language?
1. ogua
2. ekete
3. agara
4. olokun
5. idigun 6. sakpamaghori
7. oye
8. isele
9. ada and eben
10. ezuzu
11. idumu 12. ogbe
13. ugbebor
14. agagango
15. ogor
16 . ikeke
17. okpan 18. oloden
19. ogiso
20. iheneden
21. ohikogbe
22. egilegeshi
23. nani 24. irehun
25. zegizegi
26. igbeoyin
27. nobore
28. igbon
29. ibiegwa 30. olokor, |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by pazienza(m): 2:01pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
Abagworo: Bini imperialism dealt a heavy blow in the psyche of our Ika brothers, it will take time to wear off. But it surely will. Igbanke has been there and back, now they wouldn't want to have anything to do with Bini. The Ogba own brings tears to my eyes. Imagine these people inviting the Oba of Bini, praising him and then went on to re write their history claiming they migrated from a place named Ogba in Bini and then changing their Eze title to Oba, and all these happened in this modern era o! Choi! Aru melu. Chinchi siri umu ya nwelu nwayo na Ife di Oku ga eju onyi. Ndiigbo atala nsi Aboki! 1 Like |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by pazienza(m): 2:06pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: What does the following words mean in any indigenous Nigerian language: President, Governor, Mace, Senate, Christopher,Andrew,David,protectorate, Division, administration, Monday, Tuesday, Saturday, Church, School, colony, etc. 4 Likes |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by pazienza(m): 2:37pm On Oct 19, 2015 |
I have explained how and why odogwu and his descendants who ascended the throne of Owa took the name of former bini kings. This same thing happened in Ugbodu,a yoruba dialect speaking people of Anioma,they in trying to curry favour from the Oba,did exactly the same thing Odogwu and his descendants did in Owa. These are the list of former kings of Ugbodu,from the ancient to present: Adeola, Aderemi, Ariyo, Odofin; Adetunji,Oyetunji, Ogbomon, Ozoluwa, Izebuwa, Ogbelaka, Izedomen, Osakpalor, Esigie, Igbinadolor, Osalohua, Osamewanmen, Ebor, Dike, Ochei, Ezenwani, Isinyemeze. Notice the change of the names of Ugbodu kings from their original Yoruba names, to Bini ones, corresponding to the golden era of Bini imperialism in Anioma. The Ugbodu people, an Originally Yoruba speaking people were forced to start taking up Edo names, just to curry favour from the elite Bini empire, this was exactly what happened throughout the Anioma area, and most of those Edo names and words that were borrowed, persisted as surnames even unto today. This is similar to how many Nigerian ethnic groups now have English and Christian names as first names and surnames, it does not in anyway mean that we are Hebrews or English, it simply means that we borrowed from a dominant empire. Notice how those Bini names of Ugbodu kings died with the death of Bini empire. No Ugbodu king takes Bini names again today, Bini is no longer a power to reckon with, instead all recent Ugbodu kings all took an Igbo- Anioma native name. The same thing happened to all Anioma towns. You only find those Bini names and words in antiquity, representing the strong days of Bini empire. With Bini now a shadow of its former glory, Anioma is returning back to its default setting, which is Igbo. Anioma people hardly give their children Bini sounding names today, but in the past, in the golden era of Bini imperialism in the era, giving an Anioma child a Bini name might help him curry favours from the Bini imperialists, and so many Anioma parents kept giving their sons Bini names. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ikwerre, Ukwuanni, Ika, Ahoada And Ekpeye Are Not Igbo But Edo by oyatz(m): 1:13pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Thank you and God bless you sir. Language is not static but changes over time, so also is culture and even ethnic grouping! If you see a version of the Lord's prayer written in 15th century English or original Shakespeare play works ,many of us and even many English people of 2017 can't read them without footnotes or glossaries explaining it in modern tongues. Many present day Yoruba people don't understand ancient Yoruba languages and many Yoruba youths can't read the Yoruba Bible written less than 200years ago. If you ask many modern day Yoruba, what are the Yoruba names for prayer and amen respectively, they will say Adura and amin, both of which are wrong but have been adopted from Arabic Language due to long term interaction of the old Oyo empire with muslims from other contemporary West African empires. alablec: |
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