truthislight:
Actually, why I am asking is because I have heard some people insinuating that Satan fail before the fall of man (whatever that means).

So, now that you came up with similar statement, I had no other option than to ask for evidence.

Well, if you don't provide evidence for the claim, taking it with a pinch of salt then is an over statement.

Bro, whatever I posted wasnt an overstatement,
and so the original ''Satan, from time immemorial, has always been an ex-Heaven resident'' premise still holds
- you read too much into ''time immemorial''. I thought it was dolphinheart alone who was into nitpicking & legalistic exercise

Is satan still a resident in Heaven?
Is satan still a prince in the court(s) in Heaven?

MuttleyLaff:
Bro, whatever I posted wasnt an overstatement,
and so the original ''Satan, from time immemorial, has always been an ex-Heaven resident'' premise still holds
- you read too much into ''time immemorial''. I thought it was dolphinheart alone who was into nitpicking & legalistic exercise

1. Is satan still a resident in Heaven?
2. Is satan still a prince in the court(s) in Heaven?

To the above two Questions I tagged in your post above. I answer thus:

1. No, Satan is still not a prince in heaven.
2. No. he is not, in fact, he was casted out. According to Rev.12:9.

But, if I may ask, was it Before the fall of Adam?

I know and hope you won't look at making sense of this matter as inconsequential.

Peace.

This is how serious this is, even, God, Himself abided by this decree
and didnt make Himself an exception to it
God obtained a body in the person of Jesus, God the Son, to legally operate on earth

wow,

This statement above just convinced me to believe that you are a liberal Trinitarian, am i correct?

God obtain a body, in another person (of jesus) so as to operate on earth

i need more explanations

BERNIMOORE:
wow,

This statement above just convinced me to believe that you are a liberal Trinitarian, am i correct?

Maybe if you explain what a liberal Trinitarian is
and what a liberal Trinitarian is about, I might be able to confirm whether you're correct or not that am a liberal Trinitarian

BERNIMOORE:
God obtain a body, in another person (of jesus) so as to operate on earth

What were you expectin?.
Were you expecting God to bend the protocol or rules with some abracadabra?

BERNIMOORE:
i need more explanations

God made a motion in Genesis 1:26 for making man to rule, operate and have dominion on Earth,
in Genesis 1:27, there, man is made, after which in Genesis 1:28 decreed by blessing of:
"Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it;
and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky
and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

You dont need further explanation other than, God, an Invisible being, is a Spirit.

JMAN05:


Phony are u ready for discussion or u will soon revert to default reply?

And what make me laugh at empty heads like u cos u think that kjv translated what John wrote in revelation word for word. Now did KJV add?

Just shmh for u.

oh duh ano, I certinally wouldn't be talking with you, would i

demons gather together

MuttleyLaff:
Maybe if you explain what a liberal Trinitarian is
and what a liberal Trinitarian is about, I might be able to confirm whether you're correct or not that am a liberal Trinitarian

Dont worry again i have gotten what i need and enjoying the conversation steady. in fact i am learning!

What were you expectin?.
Were you expecting God to bend the protocol or rules with some abracadabra?...........

You dont need further explanation other than, God, an Invisible being, is a Spirit.

So when Jesus Died for Good three days, even at Death in those three days he is still God! yes or No!

MuttleyLaff:


johnw74 knows what he is doing,
the jw name calling is a cunning plan designed to turn the state of affairs to his own advantage

Every time jw is typed, regardless of you saying you arent jw, it's used to try to drown you out or done to try and emasculate you

Is the bold meant to be a past tense (i.e. ''was'') or present tense (i.e. ''is'')?

demons gather together, and of course say anything
except truth that is

BERNIMOORE:

lets leave the guy out before he attacks you so that we can have a meaningful discussion, He is reduced to one Dimensional

bad spirited berni, going even to others posts to flame

i believe theres plenty of flames waiting for you

johnw74:


bad spirited berni, going even to others posts to flame

i believe theres plenty of flames waiting for you

Back to sender i reject it joor shaarababababa Any weapon formed against my thread shall not prosper, they shall scather by fire ah dont let me be angry o, ti mo ba binu haaaah go and sleep man, you are on the wrong thread

BERNIMOORE:
Dont worry again i have gotten what i need and enjoying the conversation steady. in fact i am learning!

Suit yourself

BERNIMOORE:
So when Jesus Died for Good three days, even at Death in those three days He is still God!

Why not?
Is it impossible for God to pull something like this off? Yes OR No!

BERNIMOORE:
Yes or No!

Make that a resounding Yes!

johnw74:
demons gather together

Boo! Scaredy-Cat

johnw74:
and of course say anything except truth that is

You cant handle the truth bro
You have a strong dislike of hearing the truth and a strong opposition to the truth because you don't want your illusions destroyed

The fact is truth will set you free, but first, will get you pissed off on hearing it, just like you right now, are pissed off.

truthislight:
To the above two Questions I tagged in your post above. I answer thus:

1. No, Satan is still not a prince in heaven.
2. No. he is not, in fact, he was casted out. According to Rev.12:9.

These responses then exonerates me from the claim of making an overstatement

truthislight:
But, if I may ask, was it Before the fall of Adam?

Re-package this, as I am not sure what you're asking of before the fall of Adam

truthislight:
I know and hope you won't look at making sense of this matter as inconsequential.

Peace.

If I do or did, I wouldnt be requesting you rephrase the question

BERNIMOORE:


my coded post (A#1)

i coded my replies post (A#1)

i see your coded (A#1)

and i raise you a coded (B#2)


what a slowpoke

BERNIMOORE:

when you are not crying , you are laughing insanely

MuttleyLaff:


Boo! Scaredy-Cat

what a girlie, you wouldn't say Boo to anyone face to face, you would run
i have learned that all big mouths are yella

You cant handle the truth bro
You have a strong dislike of hearing the truth and a strong opposition to the truth because you don't want your illusions destroyed

well of course you have joined the chorus of demons in saying that
but it's impossible for those, like demons, that gather together, to be anything other than false accusers

The fact is truth will set you free, but first, will get you pissed off on hearing it, just like you right now, are pissed off.

you sound and look like a demon, don't you

Lol ^^^^^^. laughing in 10 languages.

lol . Hahahahahaha, Hohohohoho.Huhuhuhuhuh. Kikikikikiki. Hehehehe he. I no fit laugh Again o

MuttleyLaff:
These responses then exonerates me from the claim of making an overstatement

Re-package this, as I am not sure what you're asking of before the fall of Adam

If I do or did, I wouldnt be requesting you rephrase the question

Before Adam sin in the garden of Eden, had Satan been sent out of heaven?

In other words, between Adam sinning in Eden and Satan being sent out of heaven, which came first?

truthislight:
Lol ^^^^^^. laughing in 10 languages.

lol . Hahahahahaha, Hohohohoho.Huhuhuhuhuh. Kikikikikiki. Hehehehe he. I no fit laugh Again o

surprised you agree with me
but it doesn't change who you are

Those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie,
are the church of satan

johnw74:
what a girlie, you wouldn't say Boo to anyone face to face, you would run
i have learned that all big mouths are yella

All these jw sly innuendoes you make, the Jehovahs Witnesses jabs
and your ''demons gathering together'' devotion borders on obsession
jw, Jehovahs Witnesses, demons, ''demons gathering together'' etcetera are dominating your thoughts.
Until checked, the obsession is not normal.

johnw74:
well of course you have joined the chorus of demons in saying that
but it's impossible for those, like demons, that gather together, to be anything other than false accusers

You're not one, but are two Pharisee (i.e. you're too Far-to-see) is all I say to this

johnw74:
you sound and look like a demon, don't you

This is an unfounded accusation
because the Guy Fawkes anonymous mask, created by David Lloyd (comic) and Gloria Steinem silhouette combo
is the equivalent of wearing a burqa on an anonymous forum, which incidentally and conveniently is what Nairaland is.

Bro, it's clear, that you're having a serious bout and a very bad case one for that matter, of anonymophobia

truthislight:
Before Adam sin in the garden of Eden, had Satan been sent out of heaven?

I am inclined to that school of thought.
- my mental disposition gravitates to it

truthislight:
In other words, between Adam sinning in Eden and Satan being sent out of heaven, which came first?

The latter came first

Note that Adam (i.e. as in, Man or human beings) is a product of necessity is the mother of invention
Also note that, a need and/or problem(s) encourages creative efforts to meet the need and/or solve the problem(s)

johnw74:

surprised you agree with me but it doesn't change who you are
Those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, are the church of satan

Agree with you on what? Pleaseeeee! spare me!
You are so Immature. Take a break.

MuttleyLaff:
I am inclined to that school of thought.
- my mental disposition gravitates to it

The latter came first

Note that Adam (i.e. as in, Man or human beings) is a product of necessity is the mother of invention
Also note that, a need and/or problem(s) encourages creative efforts to meet the need and/or solve the problem(s)

Well then, you are insinuating that the incident recorded at Rev.12:9 Took place before Adam sinned inevitably:

Rev.12:9
So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him
...................................................

Please, confirm that the above is what your stand is on this matter before any further questions.

Peace.

MuttleyLaff:

You're not one, but are two Pharisee

truthislight:

Pleaseeeee! spare me!

stop stealing my truths and turning them into lies, you know that you are the pharacee hypercrites

demons without tether flock together

Bernimoore , Truthislight , Jman05 And Dolphinheart ... I like the way you calmly dealt with all this Haters of truth

nonesense post.

if everybody agree with the OP..me i disagree because satan is an angel

Jessicha:
Bernimoore , Truthislight , Jman05 And Dolphinheart ... I like the way you calmly dealt with all this Haters of truth

you are legion, Jessicha, Bernimoore , Truthislight , Jman05, Dolphinheart and many many others

Mar 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

Luk 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.



Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


Those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie,
are the church of satan

Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jessicha:
Bernimoore , Truthislight , Jman05 And Dolphinheart ... I like the way you calmly dealt with all this Haters of truth

calmly you say:

truthislight:
Lol ^^^^^^. laughing in 10 languages.

lol . Hahahahahaha, Hohohohoho.Huhuhuhuhuh. Kikikikikiki. Hehehehe he. I no fit laugh Again o

JMAN05:


Phony are u ready for discussion or u will soon revert to default reply?

And what make me laugh at empty heads like u cos u think that kjv translated what John wrote in revelation word for word. Now did KJV add?

Just shmh for u.

truthislight:



Though you came here to lie against Yahweh.

that's just a few of the much rot that jw spoke here

they calmly spoke you say,
see how when you jw speak a lie you are speaking naturally

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

not calmly at all, if the truth mattered you would have said
insanely, abusively, angrily, lyingly and accusingly
and straight out evil, the last one

You ^ are trolling this thread, you deserved to be reported cause you are derailing the thread I hope the OP does something about it.

You have become a nuisance.

truthislight:
You ^ are trolling this thread, you deserved to be reported cause you are derailing the thread I hope the OP does something about it.

You have become a nuisance.

@bold, to those that hate the truth

Thread title:

Re: [size=14pt]Was Satan By Default An Angel?[/size] Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel



satan was an angel:


Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Thread Title:

Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? [size=14pt]Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel[/size]



Jesus Christ was not an Angel:


Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?



Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".


Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"