johnw74:
Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power:

Michael is [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief Princes

Jesus Christ is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power

johnw74:

God the Word-the Lord Jesus Christ, created everything that was created

Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God is the creator

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

[size=14pt]An Angel has never created anything[/size]

johnw74:
above two posts
what a load of bull mutt talks

also these are contradictions:

johnw74:
Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, He, God the Father has called an Angel ''His Son''

johnw74:
Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, He, God the Father, has/had said to an Angel ''sit at my right hand''

BERNIMOORE:
What is the Nature/form of God? spirit?
Supernatural or flaming fire, Angels too share that,
you are hard pressed to provide answer that special nature that angels dont share with God!
you cannot say what you dont know, so relax

MuttleyLaff:
It doesnt take away the truth and fact that there is one God
The crux of your problem is, you cant see that, it is possible for God to be in more than one place simultaneously
(i.e. God be in more than one place, at the same time)

You and your sophomoric questions
Without you trying to twist these or take it out of context:
Angels dont create, angels dont know all, angels arent God, no angels died for man

johnw74:
in the first instance, the Bible verse you say the opposite too, is speaking off Jesus Christ
you implied Jesus is an Angel

and then in the second instance you say: "Angels don't create"

johnw74:
well as the Word-Jesus Christ created everything He cannot be an Angel
and that's just one instance where you contradict yourself again

johnw74:
what a load of bull you talk

johnw74:
another one for you muttley:
Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days:
but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me;
and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Michael is one of the chief Princes

Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power

johnw74:
and another one for you muttley:

God the Word-the Lord Jesus Christ, created everything that was created
Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God is the creator

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

An Angel has never created anything

johnw74:
muttley, you said to BERNIMOORE that you won't respond to him again
because he is ignorant and clueless

johnw74:
that's the same reasons why I don't respond much to you and some others also

johnw74:
do you understand now?

johnw74:
but mainly, the reason I don't get into discussions with you

johnw74:
and some others is because you and those others are Bible disbelievers,
that change what the Bible says, and even say the opposite

johnw74:
i don't help those or get into discussions with those who oppose the Bible

johnw74:
but i will sometimes show up your wrongs, as you know, but deny smiley

johnw74:
muttley and others believe the Angel of the Lord is the Word-Jesus Christ

johnw74:
Act 12:7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands.
Act 12:8 And the angel said unto him, Gird thyself, and bind on thy sandals. And so he did. And he saith unto him, Cast thy garment about thee, and follow me.
Act 12:9 And he went out, and followed him; and wist not that it was true which was done by the angel; but thought he saw a vision.
Act 12:10 When they were past the first and the second ward, they came unto the iron gate that leadeth unto the city; which opened to them of his own accord: and they went out, and passed on through one street; and forthwith the angel departed from him.
Act 12:11 And when Peter was come to himself, he said, Now I know of a surety, that the Lord hath sent his angel, and hath delivered me out of the hand of Herod, and from all the expectation of the people of the Jews.

Peter knew the Lord very well, but he did not recognise the Angel of the Lord
and the Angel of the Lord did not say to Peter, it's me Jesus

Peter realised that the Lord had sent His Angel to rescue him.

johnw74:


not you or any so called jw has shown me to be wrong
except in your own deluded minds, believing your changed and twisted scriptures

yes, everyone knows i say Jesus Christ is God the Word, and other Christians know also and agree with me
and yes, everyone knows i say jesus Christ was bodily resurrected etc etc etc, and other Christians know also and agree with me

however antichrists,
those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, and are the church of satan
say Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel, even though God the Word, come Jesus Christ created all the angels

once there was nothing at all except God, and God the Word created all there is, Angels, the Earth, people and so on.

dolphinheart:


Everyone knows that if I ask you a question or two about what you have been saying, you wunt answer the questions but give ur usual reply.

MuttleyLaff:


PLEASE, who, as far as johnw74 understands or knows, is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?

johnw74:

muttley, just a couple of posts from this short page that you didn't reply too:

https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/8#39569610

https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/8#39569753

johnw74:
by the way, according to the Greek Interlinear Bible, Acts 12:7 is "the Angel of the Lord"
the Bibles that say diffrently are wrong translation off that verse
but you like to use wrong translations, and you change Bible verses yourself, don't you
even saying the exact opposite to the Bible, don't you

Act 12:7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands.

johnw74:


u said you questioned me on this thread matter and i didn't respond
i said you lied and that you did not question me and that you should post the quotes to show you didn't lie
you didn't post the quotes because there are none, you lied yet again, and are still lying it's easy to post the quotes if there were any, but to you, lying is speaking naturally.

The major issue when
discussing with individuals who believe that Jesus is God is the problem of understanding their own form/side/angle to the belief . Some belief that Jesus and the father are both one and same person . Some believe they are two different persons with the same authority and power. Some believe that one is a Jesus is a part of God ( just
like water taken out of the
ocean) .
The next issue is for them to
agree and fully explain their
own form of belief . You ask
them questions and they will
refuse to answer .
The most painfull part is that
they will support each other as
long as they both belief that
Jesus is God despite knowing
that they have totally different
approach and understanding of the topic.

Not thinking ahead, my view is based on posts and threads I've read .
I did not make anything up, some do believe Jesus is a part of God.
You and bingbagbo believe
Jesus is God.
You and him have different
views on how Jesus is God .
Have you ever told him that his
views on Jesus and the father
are same person is wrong?
Has he ever told you that ur
views are wrong since both of
you have different views on
how Jesus is God?
He has not directly asked me
any question. But you can if you wish to , but u must first explain ur view on any scripture you
quote first .

I have a feeling you will not answer my question ,
bimgbagbo Jesus is same as
the father(?), Is ur Jesus the
same as the father ?.
Do you agree to the scriptures
he showed you on who he
believe Jesus is?
I have not started this
discussion to go into who Jesus is(we will get to that shortly ), just wanted to discuss the different views on who Jesus is by you and bmgbagbo. You dnt believe in the same Jesus , or do you?
Do u You agree with his
Statements on who Jesus is? If
no why?
Strongly hope you will answer
my questions this time
Modified: pls answer my
questions so we can move into.
The issue you raised on 1 ti
3:16

Talk about confusion
@red, your feelings are right, I
don't get into discussions with
jw, I sometimes show up their
wrongs, but you already know
this
I don't believe in trying to
change unbelievers, it's like
chatting with the devil.

johnw74:
anyone who is reading this thread can see that MuttleyLaff is not answering anything
but as i have said before he is just saying a lot of bull again and again

he doesn't know who the Angel of the Lord is and because no one will tell him,
he says you don't know who the Angel of the Lord is, duh mutt

johnw74:
@ bold and red and underlined, you can obviously fool yourself, and your fellow non believers

but you cannot fool Christians

you don't believe the bible and you preach the opposite to it:

johnw74:
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

dolphinheart:


These post was made by me on Aug 27 , 10:42 PM on these thread(page 3) .

https://www.nairaland.com/2549459/god-god/3



You replied me, my next post to you was



You replied me and even went on to quote a wrong translation of 1 Tim 3:16. And I replied with these post .



This was ur reply


Can you now see that I tried to ask you questions and you did not answer?
I even went on to ask u a question on john 5:7
If you are truthful, kindly let us look at the scriptures you quoted john 5:7 and 1Tim 3:16 and let's see if ur quotes are right or wrong and if trully they are what the disciples wrote or are insertions made by ur trinity forefathers.

Anas09:
@Muttleylaff.

Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have touched it, why?

dolphinheart:



I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested.

MuttleyLaff:
Try for once to be honest
I replied non-sequitur to both of them
and further said, only if you would respond to:
Who is the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord)
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/8#39574509

I had already with the below responded to this with:
You're a right character and a half,
so you're trying to palm off an angel sent by the Lord to be same as the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord), abi? SMH

98% of the all Bible translations or versions out there,
used an angel of the Lord, one used a messenger of the Lord whilst the 2% erroneously, like you, preferred and used the angel of the Lord

Do you at all know when the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord) stopped making appearances in the Bible?
This angel of the Lord you tried palming off as the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord) is the same angel in the same account in Acts 5:19
It is also the same angel in Matthew 2:13 warning Joseph to flee to Egypt with baby Jesus

The point is, the Angel of God (i.e. Angel of the Lord) is not the same as, an angel of the Lord as in Act 12:8-11, Acts 5:19, Matthew 2:13 or other similar verses

You really, must be a jokester, if your aim was to pull this off this manner
What an epic fail this is, trying to switch an angel of Lord to be the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)

PLEASE, who, as far as johnw74 understands or knows, is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?

MuttleyLaff:
Yeah right
The below are past interactions between you and I
Read and see yourself ducking and diving, avoiding giving a response to:
Who is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?

Let God and posterity be the judge of whether or not I believe the bible and preach the opposite to it

You're becoming like a broken record,
instead of answering the question, you're unnecessarily repeating yourself

All these efforts of yours to squirm out of responding to the question is useless
so just answer the question asked earlier above about who is the Angel of the Lord
then as previously said, I too will give you something scripture(s) to really ponder on or writhe at

johnw74:
you, like dolphin are foreign to the truth, you don't believe these verses,
because they go against your belief that Jesus Christ is an Angel:

johnw74:
Dan 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days:
but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Michael is one of the chief Princes

Jesus Christ is the head of all principality and power

God the Word-the Lord Jesus Christ, created everything that was created

Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God is the creator

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

johnw74:
An Angel has never created anything

^^^
although you did recently agree with me on that

johnw74:
but you also said that the Father called an Angel My son
so even you don't know what you believe
you are all over the place

MuttleyLaff:
What do you mean by the bolded
Can you for clarity sake, come again please

There is no need for all these all over place scriptures now.
All I want to hear from you is:
as far as johnw74 understands or knows, who is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?
Only after answering the question then you may/can throw all and whatever missiles scripture you have at me
Until then back off

An angel from among the angels
is not the same as the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)
- that agreement has always from the onset been our common ground

You can only know if am all over place or not,
when and only, if you just will kindly answer:
Who is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)

MuttleyLaff:

You're becoming like a broken record,
instead of answering the question, you're unnecessarily repeating yourself

johnw74:
i mean exactly what i said

johnw74:
scriptures showing that Jesus Christ is not an Angel
but is God are not all over the place scriptures just because you don't believe them
and are relevant to the OP

johnw74:
common ground among non believers
let me tell you again, the Angel of God is an Angel

johnw74:
and an Angel never created anything

johnw74:
@red, Haha when you accuse which is often, you are actually talking about yourself

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, you do mean what you said
You meant Jesus is not an Angel according to you
but I and others are in the camp of Jesus is/was an Angel

If God can be man, why cant God be an Angel
What is stopping God being an Angel johnw74

Is that your final answer or you would like to call a friend
You can do better than that, as obviously the Angel of God is an Angel
but the question is/was:
Who is the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?
What is the identity of the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)?

Of course, angels are celestial and invisible beings
They are created beings who never create anything, who never forgives sin, who never you know the drill and rest
Angels and the Angel of God have this one and only common denominator, they both are sent by God
Same manner, God came down to earth, when God the Father, sent Jesus, God the Son, to earth

As all you can reveal is the Angel of God is an Angel and dont know the identity of the Angel of God (i.e. the Angel of the Lord)
then I have no further questions to ask you, you can step off and leave the witness box

johnw74:
@red, well you now want to debate that God is an Angel

johnw74:
and then you say in the same post: Angels are created beings who never create anything

johnw74:
you are constantly all over the place and with contradictions
like a drunkard swaying to and throw

MuttleyLaff:


Am out

johnw74:
full of bull to the last

johnw74:
and you cannot admit your contradictions

johnw74:
first you want to discuss: God being an angel

johnw74:
then you say: Angels are created beings who never create anything

johnw74:
duh, that means that God is not an Angel

johnw74:
but you can't see it

johnw74:
yeah get out of here, and don't slam the door behind you

johnw74:




dolphin, Anas talked about verses i posted in this thread:

and you dolphin replied:

and now you bring up a post of 4 months ago, and say that's what you were talking about

like i have said to you many times, when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally
and you glory in lying, doing it time and time again

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

MuttleyLaff:


No, not about God being an angel
but God being an Angel

dolphinheart:

And I'm talking about verses you quoted on other threads in which I had asked you questions about.






My reply says I've asked you questions on the verses you quoted, I never said it was on these thread, the location of the thread does not change the fact that you quoted verses and I asked you questions on it.



those months have gone by and you have still not answered the questions.



Everyone already knows ur usual runaway lines. I've brought the questions to this thread, you are yet to answer it .



The devil too can quote scripture and make himself look good. But by their fruits you shall know them. Tell us ur church and we will see if you have good fruitage.

Anas09:
@Muttleylaff.

Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have touched it, why?

dolphinheart:



I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested.

You are trapped in your lies dolphin, Anas talked about
verses i posted in this thread:

Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have
touched it, why?
The bold I'm my main concern that's why I responded with

[quote]I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer.

Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are
interested.

Anas09 spoke off this thread, saying why didn't anyone answer johnw74 on the scriptures he quoted from the beginning of this thread, and you replied: "I did ask him some questions on the
scriptures he quoted, but he
refuses to answer"
when I said you didn't and you
should post the quotes to prove it, you then came up with, you were talking about a post of 4 months ago
a lie is needed to cover up a lie,
then another and another, that's how liars became entrenched in lies like i have said to you many times, when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally and you glory in lying, doing it time and time again Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

dolphinheart:
@ Johnw74

I did not lie, I did ask you questions based on the verses you quoted. And I showed proof. If things dnt go the way you view them does not mean the other person is lying. I never said I questioned you on these thread cus I never . I said I had asked you questions on the scripture you quoted, and showed you that I had indeed asked you questions on the verses you quoted.
That trap that you are thinking of is the one that's holding you from seing that you have been quoting some false scripture all along.

Anas09:
@Muttleylaff.

Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have touched it, why?

dolphinheart:



I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested.

johnw74:


All scripture I quote is copied and pasted from the bible,
but your false accusation is in line with your lyiing tongue.
You cannot get out of your lies by telling more lies.

dolphin, Anas talked about verses i posted in this thread:

and you dolphin replied about those scriptures i posted:

Anas09 spoke off this thread, saying why didn't anyone answer johnw74 on the scriptures he quoted from the beginning of this thread, and you replied: "I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer"
when I said you didn't and you should post the quotes to prove it, you then came up with, you were talking about a post of 4 months ago

a lie is needed to cover up a lie, then another and another, that's how liars became entrenched in lies


like i have said to you many times, when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally
and you glory in lying, doing it time and time again


Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.