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I understand the Op's POV but whether SE/SS, Ogba/Egbema/Ndoni of Rivers state are with Biafra on this one..

atbu1983:
We need to set the record straight.

I asked you a question in a thread last week, you ignored it. What % of Crude Oil do Edo state produce?

God will punish you today with 50% resource control.

In fact, I will personally lead the war to ensure that your so called Niger delta is denied even the 13% you are currently getting, since you people have refused to learn.

Resource control my asz.

wisdomguy4u:
In case you don't know, the OP is an Edo state man. So, i'm not surprise. They have a lot in common with yorubas.

So is itsekiri, Ijaw, where Amaechi is from. United of Niger delta will be fine because nothing like majority, every tribe are almost equal in population.

Op nice one

Cc; truckpusher, tonyebarcanista.

hensben:
So is itsekiri, Ijaw, where Amaechi is from. United of Niger delta will be fine because nothing like majority, every tribe are almost equal in population.

Op nice one

Cc; truckpusher, tonyebarcanista.

Thank you.

Karanka:
I wonder why this Edo guys consider their Opinion relevant in Biafra and SS issue...
Is it still the same Edo people that went around pointing out Deltans to the federal troops to be massacred during the Civil war or another Edo?
You guys have opened this kind of thread severally and you have been told severally that nobody wants to include you in Biafra or SS for that matter if there's a reshuffle.

Edo is known as Niger delta state so your opinion is null and void. As a delta guy edo state will be part of us when the time comes. We have Yoruba speaking tribe in Benin republic, Igbo in guinea does that make them Nigeria huh. Edo do not even speak Yoruba, they only have similar tradition same with itsekiri and some part in river state. Like Biafra( an Igbo nation) care about Ijaw, isoko, Urgobo, itsekiri, akwa ibom and cross river people if not the oil you guys are targeting.
Op said it all. You guys only want were you can dominate with population.
How is it niger deltans fault that Igbos couldn't compete with Yoruba and Hausa politically huh. Definition of cowardice.

Nigeria as a country was built on wrong foundation, even the British, US knew that Nigeria will break up one day. UK has 4 countries in it, eg Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Island, then ask yourself why they cannot be one country like Nigeria, USA has all it states operating as a semi independent country, immigration law in Texas is not the same with California, China has Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet and Macau as part of China which are all semi independent, without confederation in Nigeria there will be no peace, Nigeria need to go back to Aburi peace accord, Nigeria will never be a progressive country because Nigeria is made up of irreconcilable entities that cannot align, Nigeria is supposed to be made up of 5 countries eg Arewa, Biafra, Midland, Oduduwa and Niger Delta Republic, under confederation just like UK, China, Netherlands etc, Nigeria need this structure for peace to reign.

SweetSoup:
A tribe/region that heavily discriminate against it's own people in the name of "osu" want to form a country with the south south. The marginalisation of the minority south south would be epic.

EoD..... Npthing else to add... God bless you.

DFemaleBoss:
Op is just being delusional, bros get this into your thick skull, Edo state(which happens to be your state) excluding Ika are NOT and can NEVER be part of Biafra.
Someone needs to translate this in their language to them for better understanding bc it seems they are not getting it.

We will not be part of Biafra but Niger delta.
If I may ask what's your reason of excluding edo? You have been told they have little oil right.

atbu1983:
What South South Niger Delta wants is 50% Resource Control not biafra

Igbo are using the support they gave to Jonathan in 2015 election as blackmail to convert Niger delta struggle to biafra. Niger delta struggle is 50% resource control. This deception will not work. They only supported Jonathan because they got alot of appointments under Jonathan. They are just selfish and greedy people. Niger Delta Struggle is completely different from biafra agitation. Igbo supported Obasanjo against thier own son and hero Ojukwu in 2003 election, they should go and claim yoruba instead.

As far as I am concern Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa are all benefiting from the current system. After all an Igbo man Gen Agunyi Ironsi created the Unitary System for Nigeria in 1966 that we are complaining against today. Gen Agunyi Ironsi set the foundation for the destruction of regional federalism in Nigeria. if not for his love for total control and domination (The disease of an average Igbo man), Niger delta would have be enjoying 50% resource control today. When Isaac Adaka Boro wanted to form Ijaw Nation Republic in 1966 it was Igbo Head of State Gen Agunyi Ironsi that fought him with a 12 day war.

The Igbo claim to be one of us because some South South states were part of the old Eastern region. First of all, eastern region was created by Nigeria for Nigeria convenience. It was not a decision of the nationalities that made up the old eastern region. Secondly before most people forget, today Edo and Delta state were never at anytime part of eastern region. Edo and Delta states were first part of Western region later became Midwestern region, then change to Bendel state before becoming Edo and Delta state today. Some tribes speak Yoruba in Edo and Delta state. Why is yoruba not claiming Edo and Delta state the way igbo is claiming Rivers and Delta states because some people speak ibo in those states?

Igbo may have succeeded in brainwashing some South South people that they are one of us, it is a big lie. They may have succeeded in brainwashing some of us that only hausa and yoruba is the problem of South South, it is a big lie. They are the same as far as I am concern.

The problem with Igbo is greed, self-entitlement and born to rule, control and exploit mentality. Qatar is smaller than Bayelsa in population and half d size of Bayelsa state by landmass. Bayelsa is four times the size of Singapore. if Qatar and Singapore can be a country, why cant we have an Ijaw nation as a country? Do u think Ijaw people dont want to be like Qatar and enjoy their oil alone like Qatar does? Note: Bayelsa State is d smallest state in the south south by population and second to the last by landmass!!


Below is the size of south south states and south east states. South South is almost 3 times the size of south East.
Yet the population of South east is almost 80% of south south population base on 2006 census. But by the time you add igbo who are currently leaving outside south east, you will discover that thier population is more than all the south south put together. More than 90% of the resources (oil, gas, limestones,etc) are in the south south. The whole of South East is landlock with no direct access to the sea or atlantic ocean. but almost all the south south states have direct assess to the sea and atlantic ocean. Some will say they have River Niger. River Niger is not a sea or an ocean for big Ships.

Tell me why South South Nations will want to form a country with south east if they have a choice ? all south east will bring to the table is population and domination? The total oil production from south east is not up to 10% of south south oil production!

If you are the leader of south south nations will you advice them to form a country with south east if they have the option of forming their own country alone? give a sincere answer!!

As far as I am concern, as unbrainwashed south south , there is no difference between the Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa. To me, these are three major tribe struggling and fighting for Supiriority. Whenever any of the three is loosing, he shout marginalization.

During Jonathan govt, the Igbos were gaining and were in control and were happy. The Yoruba were losing and were shouting marginalization. The hausa/fulani were not happy because they were not fully in control. For the North we can slightly understand because in the 16years of democracy (May 1999 to May 2015) the south ruled 13.3years while the North had just 2.7years

The Igbo don't love south south more than the hausa or Yoruba love us. All the three tribe are all struggling for the control of south south oil. None of the three is better than the other as far as we south south are concern.

The only place south south nationalities agree with Igbo is Nigeria should divide . However while south south clamour for succession is base on lack of true fiscal Federalism and resource control, on the other hand, igbo clamour for succession is base on IGBO BORN TO RULE, CONTROL AND EXPLOIT MENTALITY. Igbo make noise and claim d north have born to rule mentality because of Sokoto State former licence plate motto of born to rule which they have change. The People with the true born to rule mentality are d Igbo. it is because they are not having thier way that they are complaining and making all d noise all over Nigeria.

But how and why Nigeria will and should divide, what we want and what they want is as different as d distance of the earth to d moon.

South south want resource control or thier own freedom. we will support Biafra as Igbo only nation while they should support us to form our own nation or nations. But trying to add us as an appendage to Biafra will never happen.

If south south join Biafra, our individual identities will be wiped out in less than 50years. They will convert every south south nationality to Igbo. And they will so much take charge of the oil and resources with reckless abandon without any regard to d minorities.

LET EVERYONE FORMS HIS OWN NATION IF WE CAN'T GET 50% RESOURCE CONTROL. SOUTH SOUTH NATIONS DONT WANT IGBO, YORUBA OR HAUSA IN THIER NATION. WE DONT WANT ANY DOMINANT TRIBE TO CONTROL US IF OR WHEN NIGERIA DIVIDE.

They will argue that there are some igbo in rivers state, delta state and edo state. As far as i am concern Igbo speaking people in south south will join Niger delta republic or confederation. Their are Hausa people in Niger, there are Yoruba people in Benin Republic and Togo. Does that make those yoruba and hausa speaking people in those countries Nigerians?

The south south nationalities can form a confederation with United Arab Emirate template, where seven different nationalities came together to form a confederation with each nationality having some form of autonomy.

if the south east want to join the confederation they can join. We can't leave nigeria and go and form another normal single country were there is a dominant tribe. That will be moving from frying pan to fire.

Just like the United Ararb emirate asked qatar and behrain to join them, but qatar and behrain choose to form thier individual countries.

What Biafra represent is a single country with a powerful centre where a dominant tribe can control. South south dont want that. If we must fight or struggle for succession, we need a new name like "United State of niger delta" or any other name which clearly shows a union rather than a single country.

We need to set the record straight before south south nations make the mistake of south Sudan. It is more than Four years south sudan left
sudan to form thier country. Since that time south sudan has been in War while North Sudan enjoy peace. This was because nations in
south sudan came together to form a single country without ensuring that thier difference in ethnicity was fully discuss. Some
part of south sudan are now feeling marginalized. That is exactly what will happen if Igbo succeed in forcing south south nations into
Biafra. That so called Biafra wont have peace. It will be another Somalia!!!!

For peace to rain let Igbo form Biafra from the Five south east state and let the the six states in south south form a confederation or seperate nations. Anything outside this will never work.

I do not hate Igbo people. Many of my friends are Igbo. I only hate thier deceit and greed. what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
What we dont want is a dominant tribe simple. If south south join Biafra, that country will be 60% Igbo. How do you think other minorities can compete in that kind of country? Whether we like it or not we both know that Igbo are not diplomatic people by nature. That will lead to complete extinction of other tribe. in less than 50years they will make the whole Biafra Ibo without any consideration.

I dont hate Igbo. But i hate when i know the Biafra they seek is a Biafra with current south south as an appendage to it.
Why cant they support our freedom, and we will support thier freedom. Why do igbo make it look like it is wrong for Niger Delta people to seek thier own freedom outside Biafra? In biafra current south south minority will be like conquered people. God forbid that to happen.

a quote from Isaac Adaka Boro Autobiography (wriiten himself). Read Chapter 5 - Campus Politics
http://www.adakaboro.org/the12dayrev/chapter-5-campus-politics.
This was the campaign statement of his opponent for UNN SUG presidency:
"My opponent, Ejiogu, took the floor when I had finished, and what did he say? "Ladies and gentleman, this is a crucial time in Nigeria when we should not allow a vocal minority to rule an obvious majority.
These words still ring in my memory because, as my opponent put it, they are crucial not only to me but to my people, the Ijaws. Most of the alien students walked out of the hall and it seemed as if a spell was cast on the atmosphere. The campaigns ended solemnly and the result of the election was again one way. Ejiogu won with his majority. The last minute strategy. A Cameroonian friend of mine, John Ngole, promptly resigned his secretaryship of the Historical Society in protest."

I am very sure that Nigeria will divide faster if Igbo seek Biafra with 5 south east state alone and Niger delta republic seek a country with the 6 South south states alone at the same time. Once the Hausa and Yoruba sees that Igbo are supporting a Niger Delta republic separate from Biafra, they will see it as true struggle. But if the struggle is about Biafra with south south in it, where Igbo will gain south south resources with Yoruba and Hausa loosing out, I bet you until South South oil finishes, Nigeria wont divide.

If we cant get resource control, we don't need to form a single country with Igbo, we can seek for our separate nation on two front simultaneously but not on one front. What we need is cooperation from Igbo not togetherness with Igbo. If they truly want to leave Nigeria and liberate Niger delta people from dominant tribes, they should support us to form our nation as they form thiers. I bet you when that happen, the struggle will be half won.

The Ojukwu Biafra was Igbo dream not Ijaw, Esan, Urhobo, Itsekiri, Ikwerre, ogoni, ibibio, etc dream.

In summary, my point is that why the primary interest of Niger Deltans is resource control, Igbo primary interest is seperation from Nigeria with Niger delta as thier trophy. Igbo wants a nation where they can become the lord, control and dominate others. Since in Nigeria, Hausa and yoruba are ahead of them in the power struggle, they resort to blackmail and cry foul claiming marginalization.

if Nigeria will divide peacefully by United Nations referendum, south south will not join Biafra. Peaceful division of Nigeria can only be into a minimum of five countries (Arewa republic, Niger Middle belt, United Niger Delta, Oduwa republic, and Biafra). South South will form its own nation/nations. The only way south south and south east will form a single country like Biafra is if Nigeria divide by War because population will be important in size of Army.

My Igbo neighbour may not like this submission, but it is the bitter truth

Thank you my brother.
YES I QUOTED THE WHOLE WRITE UP. IT IS WORTH IT. I WILL QUOTE IT IN EVERY PAGE.
But I do not want Nigeria to break o. Make we settle. We enjoy each other (well some of us do), so let us just settle our differences.

hensben:
So is itsekiri, Ijaw, where Amaechi is from. United of Niger delta will be fine because nothing like majority, every tribe are almost equal in population.

Op nice one

Cc; truckpusher, tonyebarcanista.

I agree with your opinion but i will never pray for a breakup of this country cos of the Tivs, Idomas, Biroms, Gwaris, Jukuns, Eggons,Bades, in short the ethnic minorities in northern Nigeria who the confluence have made either willingly or "unwillingly" part of the North..

If Nigeria does break up today, Yorubas are up & running, the tribe will not only be just fine, the tribe will thrive beautifully but in all our selfishness as majority tribes we dont spare any thought for folks who will become nothing better than SLAVES...

If it's God's will , it will happen, if not no amount of post political loss angst & bitterness will effect that..


God bless Fed Republic of Nigeria...

hensben:
We will not be part of Biafra but Niger delta.
If I may ask what's your reason of excluding edo? You have been told they have little oil right.

Abagworo:
Here are the names of those arrested

Benson Sunday - Ibibio

Emmanuel Ali - Ikwerre

Ukeme Monday - Ekpeye

Chibuzor Eechina -Igbo

Charles Eze - Etche

Egbo Okechukwu - Igbo

Chibona Ifion - Eleme

John Douglas - Kalabari

Ezenwa Alphonus - Etche

Wori Endurance - Ikwerre

Chinomere Nwolu - Ikwerre

Henry Eze - Etche

Friday Uzunwa - Igbo

Igbodo Abio - Etche

Akaniyene Uwem - Ibibio

Eni Iboro - Ibibio

Obinna Stephen -Igbo

Monday Ocha - Ikwerre

Obinna Ibekwe - Igbo

Kingsley Ezengorie - Igbo (Rivers)

How then would the protest be viewed as Igbo protest?

Try harder next time

Jman06:
God will punish you today with 50% resource control.

In fact, I will personally lead the war to ensure that your so called Niger delta is denied even the 13% you are currently getting, since you people have refused to learn.

Resource control my asz.

"I will personally".
See this church rat.
Is it in your 2x2m kiosk that you want to lead the war?
Keyboard pauper feeling funky.

Dhugal:
Try harder next time

Were are Ijaw, ika, Ibusa, Urhobo, isoko, ise-Iluku people in your list? You should be the one to try harder.

hensben:
Were is Ijaw, ika, Ibusa, Urhobo, isoko, ise-Iluku people in your list? You should be the one to try harder.

Dont mind him. Fake list and fake names.

Jman06:
God will punish you today with 50% resource control.

In fact, I will personally lead the war to ensure that your so called Niger delta is denied even the 13% you are currently getting, since you people have refused to learn.

Resource control my asz.

If you dont like the fact that majority of south south dont want your Biafra, that is ur problem not mine

@Op, you made some valid points. However i think u erred in some areas. It is on record that thw igbos and yorubaa have always been strong supporters of the south south in the issue of derivation unlike the North who has strongly opposed it so its not only in GEJ's presidency that the igbos showed support for the south south.

You and i know that the height of violence, bitterness, disunity among Rivers indigenes does not happen in Igbo land. If you think your Niger Delta country will be more united than Biafra then you are deceiving yourself. Your South South is a congregation of various tribes and the majority tribe there will still dominate others in your Niger Delta country. So Niger Delta country is not even better for u. The best u can do is to remain Nigerians or join Biafra. The only uniting platform for south south is oil. When oil dries up there will be no uniting factor again and your ND country will be torn into pieces. Same with your Nigeria so bear this in mind too.

Every state should be entitled to 100% resource control of all resources located within the state.

Offshore resources should be rightfully controlled 100% by the FG.

stupidity is wen a man from Benin think he is related to the man from Portharcourt more than the man from
Aba because of some crappy South South.

One Nigeria!

No referendum!!

No SNC!!!

No resource control!!!!

Let us remain the way we are!


Did I forget?

No Ipob!

No Biafra!

No MEND!

No oduduwa!


God is our muscle!

and they don't want regionalism and resource control because they have NOTHING in their region to get 50% of, and the region is a graveyard.

omoelesa:
Yeebos,they dont want a country with hausas and yorubas, but want a country with urhobo,itshekiri,ijaws,anang,ibibo etc.OLE!!

basilo101:
stupidity is wen a man from Benin think he is related to the man from Portharcourt more than the man from
Aba because of some crappy South South.

If you are tired of being south east as an Aba man, you can ask the federal govt to add aba to rivers state and removed it from Abia state.

hensben:
We will not be part of Biafra but Niger delta.
If I may ask what's your reason of excluding edo? You have been told they have little oil right.

dont mind them. To them once you have alot of oil, you are automatically part of Biafra. Once you have little you can go to hell!!! you can see d greed clearly.

Karanka:
I wonder why this Edo guys consider their Opinion relevant in Biafra and SS issue...
Is it still the same Edo people that went around pointing out Deltans to the federal troops to be massacred during the Civil war or another Edo?
You guys have opened this kind of thread severally and you have been told severally that nobody wants to include you in Biafra or SS for that matter if there's a reshuffle.

have you remove edo state from the Map of south south?

atbu1983:
have you remove edo state from the Map of south south?

you are avoiding me. Why? Hahahahaha.
Stop making Noise here.. I want Federalism.

Ugomba:
you are avoiding me. Why? Hahahahaha.
Stop making Noise here.. I want Federalism.

why should i avoid you?

atbu1983:
why should i avoid you?

your noise on Crude oil issues is funny!

Ugomba:
your noise on Crude oil issues is funny!

The message is simple. What we want and why we want what we want is different from Igbo love for biafra.
South south people are not biafrans.

atbu1983:
why should i avoid you?

and by the way, how many % of crude oil do Edo state produce? why making noise with your boring posts here and there?

Ugomba:
and by the way, how many % of crude oil do Edo state produce? why making noise with your boring posts here and there?

Are you saying cross river states indigenes can not talk about Niger delta because Cross river dont have a single barrel of oil today?

you are simply making it clear your shout for biafra is to steal south south oil.

Whether a state has large oil, small oil or no oil does not mean the state is no longer part of south south. As long as the state is located in south south region, the indigene of that state has the right to make decision on the future of the region.

atbu1983:
The message is simple. What we want and why we want what we want is different from Igbo love for biafra.
South south people are not biafrans.

why not say "we edo"? And stop making noise!
By the way, I want a federalism where Delta state will control its resources 100% and pay a royalty to the FG..

Ugomba:
why not say "we edo"? And stop making noise!
By the way, I want a federalism where Delta state will control its resources 100% and pay a royalty to the FG..

i want the same thing for edo state no matter how small edo oil production is, i want resource control. are you ok now?

Note: resource control is not just about crude oil. With resource control , kogi state and cross river states will be paid for thier limestone that dangote is using to make cement. etc