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Highcuerayte:
FYI I don't go to church. And BTW what do you mean by go for baptism of the Holy Spirit

LOL, you need a church for water baptism. Not the kind that would waste you time in baptism classes ooh. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ 1st then other things would follow.

Read => John 1:33, Acts 1:4-5, Acts 2:1-4, Acts 2:36-38! These scriptures are supposed to be for new converts but it seems you need them too.

You can start from there!

EVarn:
Angels are ministering spirits in the presence of the children of God,they are servants of those reborn in the light of Christ.It is written in the book of Hebrew.

Angels are servants and sons of God. Christ was referred to as servant of God in the Bible, was it personal reference or duties reference? It is the Angels duties that makes them servants of God not their personality. If I may ask you one question, Are Christians servants of God or not?

DoubleDeeX:
Read => John 1:33, Acts 1:4-5, Acts 2:1-4, Acts 2:36-38! These scriptures are supposed to be for new converts but it seems you need them too.

You can start from there!

I asked that question because of the mark I saw on you. You are literary oblivious to the Truth of the Bible.

Highcuerayte:
I asked that question because of the mark I saw on you. You are literary oblivious to the Truth of the Bible.

Thanks bro; follow up little by little and in prayers always asking God to reveal the truth to you and His spirit will lead you to all truths.

Shalom!

DoubleDeeX:
Thanks bro; follow up little by little and in prayers always asking God to reveal the truth to you and His spirit will lead you to all truths.

Shalom!

I don't need to read the Bible as such or pray for understanding as much. This is not an era of letters but an era of the Spirit of God. The Truth now live in us not in the letters of the sacred readings.

O.P you're very wrong.

This is the hierachy in the kingdom of GOD.

1. GOD THE FATHER
2and 3 are GOD THE SON (jesus) and THE HOLY SPIRIT respectively.

Next comes MAN; and below us are the angels. Yes!! We are higher than the highest of angels eg angels michael and gabriel.

Angels are mere messengers and servants. Nothing more. Consider 1 corinthians 6:3
See also 1 corinthians 11:10.

Do you know that as a christian you have a guardian angel or angels, allocated to you?? The problem with us as christians is that we don't know the power we have in Christ Jesus.

Highcuerayte:
1 Men are higher than Angels: No Scripture teaches such if there is let me know . Humans are in all way inferior to Angels and that is why Christ came to died in other that we might be equal to Angels. You don't aspire to be equal to what you are greater than or superior to but to what you are inferior to.

2. Every believers Is higher than Angels: Not yet and will not be.Christ teaches us we will be equal to angels in the resurrection.Not lower and not greater.

3. Angels don't have the sonships: They are divinely sons of God. It is humans except the Jews that have no right to the sonship.And that is why Christ came that all human can have access to the sonship and not the Jews alone. With faith we gain the sonship through Christ but Angels are legitimate sons of God.No adoptions.

4. Angels are mere messengers: Angels are fire and flame.Vessel of judgement of God the same feat Christ has achieved with his blood and that is why the angel in revelation said to Paul, "I am a fellow messenger with you and your brethren" only because of the cross.Before the cross they were not fellow messenger but the cross of Christ unite the family of God of which the Angels are part of hence the word "Fellow"

Very true!! I wonder why he thinks otherwise. Every true believer is higher than the angels. Only God the father, son and holy spirit are higher than us.

Cutehector:
Greater is he, who has not yet seen, but believes...



Op, Jesus stated the fact here with much emphasis on the word "greater"

Wen one is a tru believer of God, he is greater... Greater dan d devil, greater dan the angels.. Because he has not seen.


Cc: trapq

Absolutely true!!!

DoubleDeeX:
What trapQ wrote is the truth. Consider this =>

Romans 8:29

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son,  that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

^^^

Through foreknowledge God has predestined us to be conformed into the image of His son Jesus Christ so that He (Jesus) would be our older brother. So if a true spirit-filled Christian is like Jesus, he would be greater than Angels in power and all things. Angels are ministering spirit...sent to minister to the heirs of God.

Romans 8:14-16

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father". The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.

^^^

Even the spirit of God bears us witness that we are the children of God and joint heir of the Kingdom of God with Jesus Christ. Just because we are adopted children doesn't mean we are NOT God's!

Hebrews 1:5-6

For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, today I have begotten You?" And again: "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son?". But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

^^^

If the firstborn of God is to be worshiped by the angels then this should tell you that angels are servants to the other children of God. Angels are NOT children of God but ministering spirits and servants of the heirs of God.

Hebrews 1:14

Are not the angels ministering spirits , sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

^^^

Angels are our servants, but ofcourse if a son doesn't know his rightful place in his Father's house it would be easy for his Father's servants to cajole him now, don't you think? This was exactly what happened in the garden of Eden. This is the very reason why ignorant man in his fallen estate serve Satan and his demons (By doing their will) instead of reconciling with their Father through the finished work of Jesus Christ so as to gain access to power beyond that of Satan.

trapQ:
O.P you're very wrong.

This is the hierachy in the kingdom of GOD.

1. GOD THE FATHER
2and 3 are GOD THE SON (jesus) and THE HOLY SPIRIT respectively.

Next comes MAN; and below us are the angels. Yes!! We are higher than the highest of angels eg angels michael and gabriel.

Angels are mere messengers and servants. Nothing more. Consider 1 corinthians 6:3
See also 1 corinthians 11:10.

Do you know that as a christian you have a guardian angel or angels, allocated to you?? The problem with us as christians is that we don't know the power we have in Christ Jesus.

Guy stop shouting. Angels were called Sons of God repeatedly in the Bible. And they, Angels are second in command after God. Humans authority are limited to this planet earth but Angels control Galaxies.

You can't summon an angel to appear before you as a Christian an angel can summon you. Angels can walk through walls you can't. Believing what you are not doesn't make you that thing.

You can believe all you like brother but at the end you will only be equal to Angels according to the promise of Christ. For now and until resurrection you are still inferior to Angels and you can do nothing about that.

trapQ:
Very true!! I wonder why he thinks otherwise. Every true believer is higher than the angels. Only God the father, son and holy spirit are higher than us.

Wrong assertion bro, am not thinking am telling you heavenly Truth contrary to what you are fed with in churches of which knowledge has not in anyway benefit you. You keep believing crap but everything will end one day.

Cutehector:
Greater is he, who has not yet seen, but believes...



Op, Jesus stated the fact here with much emphasis on the word "greater"

Wen one is a tru believer of God, he is greater... Greater dan d devil, greater dan the angels.. Because he has not seen.


Cc: trapq

Let's not deceivev ourselves Matt 11;11 11 I assure you that John the Baptist is greater than anyone who has ever lived. But the one who is least in the Kingdom of heaven is greater than John.

Highcuerayte:
Angels are servants and sons of God. Christ was referred to as servant of God in the Bible, was it personal reference or duties reference? It is the Angels duties that makes them servants of God not their personality. If I may ask you one question, Are Christians servants of God or not?

Christians are indeed servants of God on earth,in terms of "duty reference",but are also children of God in spirit,in terms of "personnal reference".
However,angels are ministering spirits sent to guide and strengthen human servants of God in carrying out their spiritual duties.

the lowest angel is greater than John/Elijah who in turn us greater than all men

SirTunechi:
Let's not deceivev ourselves Matt 11;11 11 I assure you that John the Baptist is greater than anyone who has ever lived. But the one who is least in the Kingdom of heaven is greater than John.

lmao. U know nothing about heaven. So keep shut.

EVarn:
Christians are indeed servants of God on earth,in terms of "duty reference",but are also children of God in spirit,in terms of "personnal reference".
However,angels are ministering spirits sent to guide and strengthen human servants of God in carrying out their spiritual duties.

duty wise but personality wise they are Sons of God. Yes or No?

You seems to be cutting Scriptures that address Angels as Sons of God. lol

SirTunechi:
the lowest angel is greater than John/Elijah who in turn us greater than all men

These people think they are greater than Angels. Maybe when the angelic war begin physically on earth will they see the strength of Angels.

Cutehector:
lmao. U know nothing about heaven. So keep shut.

I don't even plan on knowing anything about, as a scientists I just state facts..... Christians be avoiding the truth since 1200AD

Highcuerayte:
These people think they are greater than Angels. Maybe when the angelic war begin physically on earth will they see the strength of Angels.

i seldom concern myself with spiritual things, I just like truth being established

SirTunechi:
i seldom concern myself with spiritual things, I just like truth being established

You are a spirit being brother you can't do away with spirituality.

Greyworld:
Most importantly..... They don't exist except as a figment of your imaginations.

Paul knew you thousands of years ago, and that was why he said in Rom 3: 3

"For what if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?"


Thank you for fulfilling the scripture.

Highcuerayte:
duty wise but personality wise they are Sons of God. Yes or No?

You seems to be cutting Scriptures that address Angels as Sons of God. lol

Yeah,Angels are Sons of God.
However,when on earth,angels are subjects to human servants of God(they leave their office in heaven to descend into the terrestial realm as messangers or ministers of God),but when in heaven,angels and humans are on the same level as children of God.
Man(like Christ) can be both divine and human in nature i.e man has authority(seat) both in heaven and on earth,but angels are only divine in nature i.e angels only have office in heaven,but are diminished on earth.

EVarn:
Yeah,Angels are Sons of God.
However,when on earth,angels are subjects to human servants of God(they leave their office in heaven to descend into the terrestial realm as messangers or ministers of God),but when in heaven,angels and humans are on the same level as children of God.
Man(like Christ) can be both divine and human in nature i.e man has authority(seat) both in heaven and on earth,but angels are only divine in nature i.e angels only have office in heaven,but are diminished on earth.

I will go no further to explain anything to you only know this Angels of all ranks can shape lift into human but you can't shape lift into angelic bodies.

Highcuerayte:
Happy Sunday too...couldn't notice it so early.

About pastor Albert Angel did he tell you he was an angel? and if he did, on what bases do you believe he was?

Hahaha

Was kidding there

femzysticks:
Hahaha
Was kidding there

How is your day going?

Highcuerayte:
I will go no further to explain anything to you only know this Angels of all ranks can shape lift into human but you can't shape lift into angelic bodies.

Indeed,but some humans(enlightened in Christ) command powers that angels can only dream to wield.
Man is a trinity,he has a spirit,soul and body; Just like God.Angels only have spirit.

EVarn:
Indeed,but some humans(enlightened in Christ) command powers that angels can only dream to wield.
Man is a trinity,he has a spirit,soul and body; Just like God.Angels only have spirit.

Like I said I will explain nothing to you further.

Highcuerayte:
I don't need to read the Bible as such or pray for understanding as much. This is not an era of letters but an era of the Spirit of God. The Truth now live in us not in the letters of the sacred readings.

It's only when you study and pray that you would be able to understand. The works of grace starts with justification by water baptism which puts you under the blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin (Acts 2:36-38) then baptism of the holy ghost which follows immediately (This can sometimes come by hearing the word and believing even before water baptism - Acts 10:44, Acts 11:15) and finally sanctification by the water of the word (Ephesians 5:26)!

After all these, the Holy spirit will teach you things in spirit by visions and/or revelations....He will reveal the righteousness of God to you from faith to faith - Romans 1:17. That's why the Bible says "the just shall live by faith"- Hebrews 10:38... that's when you will know by revelation what and what is not good for you as a Christian because you have become the temple of the holy spirit!

The Holy spirit will reveal the truth to you about all the "it doesn't matter" they teach in some churches these days and will help you understand the requirements for salvation including the things that are not written in the scripture. That's why getting the holy ghost is very important to salvation....without it you cannot be saved. Because it's the spirit that will quicken you in the day of resurrection if you are sleeping in the dust of the earth.

Cc : Lalasticlala FP pls

DoubleDeeX:
It's only when you study and pray that you would be able to understand. The works of grace starts with justification by water baptism which puts you under the blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin (Acts 2:36-38) then baptism of the holy ghost which follows immediately (This can sometimes come by hearing the word and believing even before water baptism - Acts 10:44, Acts 11:15) and finally sanctification by the water of the word (Ephesians 5:26)!

After all these, the Holy spirit will teach you things in spirit by visions and/or revelations....He will reveal the righteousness of God to you from faith to faith - Romans 1:17. That's why the Bible says "the just shall live by faith"- Hebrews 10:38... that's when you will know by revelation what and what is not good for you because you have become the temple of the holy spirit!

The Holy spirit will reveal the truth to you about all the "it doesn't matter" they teach in some churches these days and will help you understand the requirements for salvation including the things that are not written in the scripture. That's why getting the holy ghost is very important to salvation....without it you cannot be saved. Because it's the spirit that will quicken you in the day of resurrection if you are sleeping in the dust of the earth.

I see Tradition all over your post nothing relating to Faith. But you can't understand anything I tell you so no need to.

Highcuerayte:
I see Tradition all over your post nothing relating to Faith. But you can't understand anything I tell you so no need to.

Funny...The narrow way is never easy my faith can move mountains brother. It's because you are still an infant in the things pertaining to the gospel of salvation and the holy spirit. You will get where I am with time; keep praying and worshiping God in truth and in spirit and you will come to the understanding of these truths...Be sincere and open minded and the spirit with lead you to the truth. Just surrender all to Jesus and ask him to have his way in your life then follow up with sincere prayers. That's all!

When you receive the Holy ghost, you will know all truths; it will bring you out of all confusion. You wouldn't be able to dispute anything inspired by God; which would be self evident that you are a child of God.

Shalom.

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You can't be more wrong than this. I have no more words for you.

Highcuerayte:
Guy stop shouting. Angels were called Sons of God repeatedly in the Bible. And they, Angels are second in command after God. Humans authority are limited to this planet earth but Angels control Galaxies.

You can't summon an angel to appear before you as a Christian an angel can summon you. Angels can walk through walls you can't. Believing what you are not doesn't make you that thing.

You can believe all you like brother but at the end you will only be equal to Angels according to the promise of Christ. For now and until resurrection you are still inferior to Angels and you can do nothing about that.