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Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by sunnyolads1(m): 9:33pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Demmocrats:You are right because I myself use to carry about six atms whenever I go to buy cars at Cotonou. I will spread the money into this ATM accounts then go and make withdrawal over there. It makes transaction easier and safe because carrying big money may be dangerous. So it may be that they did similar thing. BTW when did NDLEA turn to anti- money laundering agent?I think they are dealing with Narcotics. Or ATM card has turn to drugs. Lols 6 Likes |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by badnature: 9:43pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
that's idiots called omenankoda is busy scavenging all around trying to see if there will be any legitimacy to the action of NDLEA but the answer is non,February this year in Melbourne airport a Chinese man ahead of me have 120 ATM cards with him but he was not arrested after Interpol run a check on him and all the information he give them correspond with the findings of Interpol,but in Nigeria the moment the see you with more than one ATM cards automatically you become a fraudster,when there is no law in that regard. 3 Likes |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by omonnakoda: 9:43pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Obiagu1:Circumventing a regulation is legal? In this case I do not know whether a crime was committed but I believe there is enough reasoon to arrest and then a determination of whether to charge him to court and then the courts can determine whether a crime was committed. With regard to regulations . I think it is important to understand what is a "regulation". The government has powers to make laws to give statutory bodies the power to make regulations without additional legislation examples authority empowered to set speed limits,parking limits etc authority empowered to ban items for import etc authority (in this case) empowered to make regulations about currency The issue here is CURRENCY not just cash. authority empowered to declare quarantine etc Breaching any of these regulations is NOT LEGAL and may even be criminal What I find striking is your tendency to assert opinions very forcefully without any buttress or intellectual humility. Indeed empty barrels are raucous. Learn to be humble that is the mark of a true intellectual the converse is equally true 1 Like |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by Obiagu1(m): 9:51pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
omonnakoda: You missed the point. Circumventing a regulation LEGALLY is in itself legal. This kind of grey areas in laws have been exploited for ages. You do not commit a crime when you do legal things or do you? When you set a limit for cash withdrawal from an account with a card, I commit no crime if I withdraw 100 times that amount with my 100 legal cards from 100 legal bank accounts. I'm not a card so I have no limit. 4 Likes |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by Nobody: 9:51pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
hyfr: the mbgn has a yoruba mom, hope u know that? |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by erico2k2(m): 9:56pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
omonnakoda:there no citable legislature that prohibits the carrying of more than one ATM card. 1 Like |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by AreTheyBitches(m): 10:01pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
name checkers assosiation |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by badnature: 10:01pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
@demmocrat ! just imagine what you posted?by the way how old are you? if you put all your money in one ATM CARD and your buying goods that worth $80,000 and your visa is 30days, and the ATM card can only give you $200.now tell me 200x30=6000 what then happens with your remaining $74000? your hatred for igbo people is taking a toll on your capacity to think properly.envy has now make people to apriciat what ever policy of government provided that policy affected igbo people regardless of it consequence to the economy 1 Like |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by sunsewa: 10:09pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Buhari government frustrating genuine Igbo traders,making them to innovate different tricks and methods to remain trustworth with their creditors,but the foolish won't understand. 1 Like |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by subzidi: 10:14pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
ifyalways:I agree with Ify! People's money especially is stuck in the bank and let's be honest some transactions even abroad might warrant paying cash. Unfortunately it's very difficult to get dollars from Bank not even easy to withdraw over the counter from your dorm. It's a very difficult period for genuine businessmen/women! 2 Likes |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by Nobody: 10:16pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
mployer:Don't mind them frustrating their efforts. |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by omonnakoda: 10:18pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
erico2k2:The issue is not carrying the card that was not my question So I assume you don't know the issue is is there a duty to declare ? Different countries have different rules e.g the US rule is "MONETARY INSTRUMENT" but that would vary from place to place. The status of a prepaid debit card has been subject to arguments lately http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/prepaid-rules-border-laundering-terrorist-1282.php Well he has been arrested and so if charged the courts will determine whether the actions are lawful. The situation in an airport these days is governed by all kinds of laws that cover not only false or incomplete declarations relating to financial but also to security domains,disease control and so Drug enforcement and other bodies have great powers to question and receive full declaration regarding itinerary,purpose of travel ,occupation,immunization and financial status ie possession of monetary instruments etc if the declaration form requires this information and it is not provided a crime may have been committed. The issue is further complicated by the fact that there is legislation that empowers the CBN of Nigeria to limit the currency that an individual may use on a daily basis while abroad and an attempt to circumvent that MAY be unlawful of course these things sometimes need to be tested in court |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by hpk(m): 10:18pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
beht wetin concern NDLEA with debit cards or is there something i'm missing here? 1 Like |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by goldmind82: 10:23pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
HungerBAD: Cheiiii chinko |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by 9ja083: 10:24pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
HungerBAD: They should investigate properly. Am sure he was trying to avoid carrying excess money. So he decided to pay in d money in his friends account. |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by jaybee(f): 10:31pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
erico2k2: And where did it state the cards where not cloned? Are you the only expert card criminal that has monopoly on the criminal use of atm cards? |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by Hero10001: 10:35pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Aufbauh:why pa chukwudi44? Abi na because him be yeeboe?! |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by erico2k2(m): 10:37pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
omonnakoda:What is the use of a certain regulation when its not made know to the public,even the speed limits U mentioned in the Uk thats contained in an act same as local govt B laws.statutury as the name implies has its own guidlines to which such body must operate I shall give a simple example, in the Uk we have an act or parliament called the TMA 204(traffic management act)I wil use the single yellow line as an example.It simply says no parking however its up to the LGA to state the amount of time U can park on one, The city of westminster says zero time, but Camden says five.The TMA clearly states that the local authority must display a yellow time plate to advice drivers of waht times these lines are enforceable and also the amount of time they are allowed to stay on their website. |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by erico2k2(m): 10:40pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
jaybee:There is no need to try to be clever,I asked a question instead of you responding to that simple question U are coming up with the caged attitude.Calling me criminal was uncalled for I won't bring myself to this level of argument, its meant for kids. 1 Like |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by einsteino(m): 10:51pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Demmocrats: there is a cbn withdrawal limit in foreign currency per account. I guess they were trying to beat that limit. |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by einsteino(m): 10:53pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
haaha. calm down it isn't fraud. They were trying to beat CBN Foreign withdrawal limit per account. The rates bank are charging for wired transfer these days is killing. I too have thought of having multiple accounts but the BVN bleeped that up. so only way out is to get multiple account owned by different people, different BVN. [quote author=VIPERVENOM post=39352388][/quote] |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by zeal22(m): 10:54pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Get a dollar account Buy dollar from a b o k i He will transfer to ur dollar account Request for a dollar debit card Travel with it and spend 10k USD daily 1 Like |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by erico2k2(m): 11:19pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
omonnakoda:1st when there is no law banning a certain action or thing it means its not illegal(hence there is no citation,it has not been taken to court)Im not a lawyer but what I do for work requires me to quote certain parts of the laws of the land each time I speak to a MOP 2nd Talking about Airports rules etc, I happen to go fru heathrow and Frankfort PHC 3 times yearly the monitory declaration requirements are almost the same thing,you are asked to declare anything above certain amount, in the Uk its £10000 or anything in gold silver etc to its equivalent, now you cannot quantify a credit,debit or prepaid card, even if its Amex card.Its true value wont be know.Like i said earlier, i have up to 12 cards to my name, I have never been asked to declare them in teh whole or Europe to America to Nigeria.Nothing in the landing form requires one todo so.At this point telling me I don't know dnt cut the cake these requirements just do not exist, statutory or not.The Onus is on the law enforcement Aegents to prove an offence has been committed if not they should be let to go about their Biz. 2 Likes |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by saintandsinnerz: 11:33pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
AnanseK:Hate and bitterness for the Igbos will surely kill you and your family! |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by omonnakoda: 11:35pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
erico2k2:Answers do not need to be biographical. The range of human activities is infinite and so you cannot have laws banning things in detail for every activity . Rather laws tend to be general in their wording and sometimes laws have to be tested in courts That is the nature of jurisprudence . In this case without detailed knowledge of the particulars one's comments can be generic only. The issue is not just the possession of the cards but the intent for their possession The alleged offence here is in Nigeria so your odysseys into Heathrow are interesting but are not really helpful in understanding the issues here. This is not a matter of airport rules but whether the intent was to subvert extant currency regulations and whether full disclosures were made. We shall have to wait for the courts to pronounce ,since he has been arrested. It is the case that guilt has to be proven for EVERY alleged offence so nothing special in this instance. What seems certain is any person travelling through a Nigerian airport with cards not bearing their name can expect to be arrested and hopefully then can provide a satisfactory defence/explanation This is quite common. Another crucial question is whether the status of the card is Prepaid which I believe many Nigerian VISA cards . IF That is the case then they are treated as similar to Travellers Cheques ie Monetary instruments and declarable. |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by Hamza05(m): 11:43pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
hyfr:Linda ikeji bought a mansion |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by IbukaDantata: 11:49pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
There is Nothing illegal In carrying ATM nomatter the number. If you know them, tell them to get a good lawyer and they will get millions from the stupid NDLEA men. |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by saintandsinnerz: 11:53pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
omonnakoda:Stop saying things you don't know please! Look this stuff is very popular in Onitsha main market especially among guys in exchange business. I'm very sure some of the cards will belong to them. Now see what they do with the cards. Now you know there is a lot restriction on forex in Nigeria courtesy of the CNB policy. So in order for these traders to boycott this obnoxious policy, these guys approach Nigerian banks to open an account. Once they open this accounts, the banks activates the ATM for them so that they can use it internationally. They huge amount of monies into these accounts and travel with the issued ATM. When they reach China, they will now draw the money from Chinese banks. Sometimes, if you are lucky you can withdraw up to 2000 dollars or less. So they keep on withdrawing this money until they exhaust the money in the card. Some of them sell this dollars to traders over there and make brisk profit (because the exchange rate in China is good), while some use it to buy goods. So what they normally do is that if anybody they know wants to travel to China, they will give their cards to the person this purpose. So relax, I don't think there is anything wrong they are doing as the Nigerian and Chinese banks are aware of this. Don't ask me how i know all these! 2 Likes |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by omonnakoda: 12:00am On Oct 26, 2015 |
saintandsinnerz:I have a few bad habits but none of them involves joining issues with touts illiterates and OMATA boys |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by eaglechild: 12:20am On Oct 26, 2015 |
Obiagu1:Period. You nailed it. |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by saintandsinnerz: 12:34am On Oct 26, 2015 |
omonnakoda:Well, if this is what you make of what i said, then you must be a very disgusting person in real life. There is no shame in being a trader or omata as you wish to call it. The shame is only on you for making this silly and unwarranted comment! BTW, i don't think you have more and better education than me. Just jog along, you scum of the earth! 2 Likes |
Re: NDLEA Arrests 2 China-bound Passengers With 89 Debit Cards by eaglechild: 12:40am On Oct 26, 2015 |
omonnakoda:Your last statement doesn't add up. Are you trying to say that one has to declare the content on his debit card when he is travelling or do you not realise that a single debit card can be tied to an account worth millions What then is the need for the withdrawal limit pegged on these cards if one has to declare them. |
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