₦airaland Forum

helpee:
actually this is dumb. you mean if PDP should change its name to UPP tommorrow then the members of the new UPP too can start saying it was PDP that destroyed nigeria. The name of the party that destroyed nigeria was PDP which essentially transformed to APC so according to LOGIC, APC destroyed nigeria. if amaechi can claim that he looted funds because he operated under PDP and now that he is under APC he will never loot again and yet you made him a minister then armed robbers in the prison too can claim that they robbed because jonathan was president and now that buhari is there they should be released because they are not the one that stole, it was PDP that stole. you and passingshot are seriously brainwashed

Firefire:
APC is the new ruling / opposition party in town.

They won the election by propaganda, and also planning to govern with propaganda.

APC, Party of professional liars and career propagandist.

Burger01:
PDP ruled Nigeria for the past 16 years. In those frigging 16 years Nigeria remained in shambles! YES, it's damn logical to infer that PDP ruined Nigeria in those years. Now that baton has changed hands, we are seeing the light.

[s]PDP, party of destruction and ruins... Frigging dead party[/s]

MizMyColi:
PassingShot
Please answer this.

Who created these Ideologies?
Was it the letter PDP? or was it the people in it?

Where are majority of those people today.

How you lot expect Buhari to fight the same corruption that enthroned him is something that befuddles me.

I suppose the war chest Amaechi brought to the APC primaries that saw Buhari's emergence wasn't a product of corruption.

If you are holding brief for Buhari as the only sane person in the APC, fine. 4 years will give us a better insight. A bad precedent was set by him with his shoddy asset declaration.

You don't get the point here, do you?

It's not about the letters PDP...
It's about the individuals who destroyed the party's foundations.

The true ideology of the founding members of PDP was that of a democratic national party, where everyone is accommodated.
The negatives you see or saw were perpetrated by individuals.

The true ideology of the APC is change...the desire to do things differently and yield maximal results.
Yet, what we see today are a people who thrive on lies, blame games, political scapegoatism and vendetta, hypocrisy, are obsessed with creating a one party state, CORRUPTION, etc.

The people you see in the APC today left the PDP because things weren't panning out for them as expected, not because they have the best interests of this nation at heart.
To see these lot chanting the change mantra ought to give you cause for worry, and rightly so.

iyobs7:
PassingShot, Please read this piece and give your head sense. Not all topics requires a reply, your reply or topic lacks logic and common sense.
If Jonathan becomes an APC member today, he'll become a saint, I am still waiting for Buhari to send someone to jail from the last administration. Hypocrites.

Panzerfaust:
abeg shaaraap!

Firefire:
The difference is clear, if no be Panadol, ee no fit be like Panadol.


APC, Party of Professional liars and career propagandist.

PassingShot:
You're shouting the same thing for which you're being educated about.
The leadership provided by a party determines what and how the party members behave. Is that too much to comprehend?
If your company condones late coming, surely many who are not given in to coming late will soon resume late for work. On the other hand, if your company does not tolerate late coming, even the perpetual late comers will straighten their way.
Now tell me, who makes a company? Not individuals?

Common sense please!

PassingShot:
Yes. Also known as Papa Deceiving Pikin.

PassingShot:
The question is, if PDP is not responsible for ruining Nigeria in the sixteen years it ruled, which party did?

Nigeria shall be great again!

PassingShot:
It’s unfortunate that politics has made many to become irrational and illogical in their reasoning. This fact is more pronounced on this forum by many members from both sides of the divide (APC & PDP).

I read with astonishment, an attempt by TonyeBarcanista to stand logic on its head with a thread claiming that it’s illogical to say PDP destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years! What an absurdity and irresponsibility!

If any sane human being wants to argue against the fact that it was PDP that destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years, the person will need to at least provide the name of the party that did. It won’t be enough to tell us that some of those in PDP who contributed to ruining Nigeria in those sixteen years have either moved to APC or another party. Anyone who maintains that PDP is not responsible is illogical and is committing fallacy of Ignoratio elenchi (diverting argument to unrelated issues).

What is Logic?
In logic, necessity and sufficiency are implicational relationships between statements. The assertion that one statement is a necessary and sufficient condition of another means that the former statement is true if and only if the latter is true. That is, the two statements must be either simultaneously true or simultaneously false. 
In ordinary English, 'necessary' and 'sufficient' indicate relations between conditions or states of affairs, not statements. Being a male sibling is a necessary and sufficient condition for being a brother. Fred's being a male sibling is necessary and sufficient for the truth of the statement that Fred is a brother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

Applying the above explanation, it’s no rocket science to understand that if President Obasanjo was in PDP in the eight years he ruled, PDP as a party is responsible for the outcome of his leadership in those eight years. This fact will hold true for eternity even if he changes party ten times thereafter.

From 1999 to 2015, the three presidents we have had in Nigeria (OBJ, Yar’Adua and GEJ) all belonged in PDP throughout their tenure and there is NOTHING anyone can say or do to change the fact that it was PDP that ruled in those years. To conclude otherwise (or attempt to), will only expose the arguer as an illogical, unreasonable and a mischievous entity.

Factors that determine success or failure of a party
The writer of the referenced article failed to consider the following factors that resulted in failure of PDP. Instead, he dwelled ignorantly or mischievously on occurrences (defections) that didn’t have any impact on the fact that those defectors were in PDP when the party ruled for the sixteen years under review.

Party’s Ideology
A party’s philosophy is very important in shaping how the party is perceived by the populace. At a point, PDP was known and addressed as a “killer party” because of the members’ attitude of settling their political scores by assassination of their opponents and foes within. Pa Alfred Rewane, Chief Bola Ige, Funsho Williams, Eyo Eyo, Marshall Harry, Barnabas Igwe and many others were brutally murdered during PDP reign. Not a single of those assassinations has been resolved till date.

Another prominent ideology of PDP is corruption. Whether the party sympathizers online and offline like to hear it or not, PDP took corruption in Nigeria to another level. During OBJ’s regime, it was not uncommon to hear and read how the NASS was bombarded with Ghana-Must-Go bags starched with hard currencies to bribe NASS members to do the biddings of the presidency. We were not kids not to remember how Ken Nnamani, Emwerem, and Okadigbo were all removed through bribing of senate members.

Under PDP there were high profile corruption cases that remain unresolved till date. Pension scam (30 billion naira); Oil Subsidy fraud in which many were arraigned for defrauding the nation of billions of dollars in subsidies they never earned; Nigerian Immigration Scam where many innocent souls were lost and no one was brought to justice; Stella Oduah’s N255m BMW and Kerosene Scam just to mention a few.

Implication of PDP philosophy of political assassination and corruption is that a person with different belief who finds himself in such a party can easily be swayed into taking up the party’s crude and wicked ways of doing things. An example is a case of a PDP senator in 2007 that rejected his share of bribery on three occasions but finally gave in on the fourth occasion when he had become overwhelmed by the incessant approaches by his party to toe the party’s line.

Similarly, a crooked politician can be straightened by the good ideology of his party if he soon discovers that his crude ways have no place in his party’s belief.

Leadership
There is the common saying that when the head is rotten, it affects the whole body. This saying aptly describes the type of leaders we have had in PDP. It is the type of leadership that determines how the followers behave. When PDP politicians knew that OBJ was in the habit of bribing his way in the national assembly, what and who would have stopped them from engaging in their own “lootocracy”?
Whence PDP politicians knew that “stealing was not corruption” under GEJ, and also knew that keeping “the goats and yams” together (the politicians and the treasury) was enough justification for them to loot with reckless abandon, who/what would have stopped them from stealing?

Absence of good leadership from PDP in the sixteen years it ruled is well documented such that no one can wish it away. No amount of articles or campaign can sweep those unfortunate years away from Nigeria’s history and it makes mockery of anyone attempting to re-write the history because Nigerians are largely no fools. Those with short memories will always be reminded at the right time.

Lastly, the corrupt politicians who have moved from PDP to APC cannot now be termed saints. They remain with stains and their corruption cases/allegations still hang on their neck and we hope they are eventually brought to justice. However, what is more important to Nigerians now is how they behave under new leadership and a new party with sane ideologies.

The question is, if PDP is not responsible for ruining Nigeria in the sixteen years it ruled, which party did?

Nigeria shall be great again!

PassingShot:
Feel free to call me whatever suits you. Your prerogative.
The topic is a rejoinder which borders on logic. And as far as logic is concerned, PDP is responsible for our unfortunate state of affairs.
If and when APC has failed, you will be qualified to condemn the party.
And on the question of who are in APC that were not in PDP, I expect a toddler to realize that PMB and VPYO were both never in PDP. Oyegun is another person.

Beadex1:
yea its true pdp ruin Nigeria for 16 ...but want to ask where was amaechi, saraki ,udo udoma ,Ngige ,Rochas in THE last 10 years

IzonOwei:
but oga passingshot didnt it ever occur to you that majority of persons forming the new found hypocritical party called apc were pdp people...or do you think the pdp was just a name...is it not people who made up the pdp,,are those same persons not in the apc now...this is why i say buhari should keep his malam-like mouth shut and get to work... .....we need to move forward instead of this blame games...

PassingShot:
You're shouting the same thing for which you're being educated about.
The leadership provided by a party determines what and how the party members behave. Is that too much to comprehend?
If your company condones late coming, surely many who are not given in to coming late will soon resume late for work. On the other hand, if your company does not tolerate late coming, even the perpetual late comers will straighten their way.
Now tell me, who makes a company? Not individuals?

Common sense please!

Jesusloveyou:
during campaign, did u vote for party or personality, u rejected ngige because he is from hausa and yoruba party, again can anybody steal from d treasury without belonging to a ruling party?

sirvic29:
you shot yourself on the leg dude. have a nap for 30minutes then you will definitely get the answer from the corner of your head, then use it to assess u
your write up. common sense they said is not common at all . I weep for my dear country

sirvic29:
you shot yourself on the leg dude. have a nap for 30minutes then you will definitely get the answer from the corner of your head, then use it to assess u
your write up. common sense they said is not common at all . I weep for my dear country

PassingShot:
It’s unfortunate that politics has made many to become irrational and illogical in their reasoning. This fact is more pronounced on this forum by many members from both sides of the divide (APC & PDP).

I read with astonishment, an attempt by TonyeBarcanista to stand logic on its head with a thread claiming that it’s illogical to say PDP destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years! What an absurdity and irresponsibility!

If any sane human being wants to argue against the fact that it was PDP that destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years, the person will need to at least provide the name of the party that did. It won’t be enough to tell us that some of those in PDP who contributed to ruining Nigeria in those sixteen years have either moved to APC or another party. Anyone who maintains that PDP is not responsible is illogical and is committing fallacy of Ignoratio elenchi (diverting argument to unrelated issues).

What is Logic?
In logic, necessity and sufficiency are implicational relationships between statements. The assertion that one statement is a necessary and sufficient condition of another means that the former statement is true if and only if the latter is true. That is, the two statements must be either simultaneously true or simultaneously false. 
In ordinary English, 'necessary' and 'sufficient' indicate relations between conditions or states of affairs, not statements. Being a male sibling is a necessary and sufficient condition for being a brother. Fred's being a male sibling is necessary and sufficient for the truth of the statement that Fred is a brother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

Applying the above explanation, it’s no rocket science to understand that if President Obasanjo was in PDP in the eight years he ruled, PDP as a party is responsible for the outcome of his leadership in those eight years. This fact will hold true for eternity even if he changes party ten times thereafter.

From 1999 to 2015, the three presidents we have had in Nigeria (OBJ, Yar’Adua and GEJ) all belonged in PDP throughout their tenure and there is NOTHING anyone can say or do to change the fact that it was PDP that ruled in those years. To conclude otherwise (or attempt to), will only expose the arguer as an illogical, unreasonable and a mischievous entity.

Factors that determine success or failure of a party
The writer of the referenced article failed to consider the following factors that resulted in failure of PDP. Instead, he dwelled ignorantly or mischievously on occurrences (defections) that didn’t have any impact on the fact that those defectors were in PDP when the party ruled for the sixteen years under review.

Party’s Ideology
A party’s philosophy is very important in shaping how the party is perceived by the populace. At a point, PDP was known and addressed as a “killer party” because of the members’ attitude of settling their political scores by assassination of their opponents and foes within. Pa Alfred Rewane, Chief Bola Ige, Funsho Williams, Eyo Eyo, Marshall Harry, Barnabas Igwe and many others were brutally murdered during PDP reign. Not a single of those assassinations has been resolved till date.

Another prominent ideology of PDP is corruption. Whether the party sympathizers online and offline like to hear it or not, PDP took corruption in Nigeria to another level. During OBJ’s regime, it was not uncommon to hear and read how the NASS was bombarded with Ghana-Must-Go bags starched with hard currencies to bribe NASS members to do the biddings of the presidency. We were not kids not to remember how Ken Nnamani, Emwerem, and Okadigbo were all removed through bribing of senate members.

Under PDP there were high profile corruption cases that remain unresolved till date. Pension scam (30 billion naira); Oil Subsidy fraud in which many were arraigned for defrauding the nation of billions of dollars in subsidies they never earned; Nigerian Immigration Scam where many innocent souls were lost and no one was brought to justice; Stella Oduah’s N255m BMW and Kerosene Scam just to mention a few.

Implication of PDP philosophy of political assassination and corruption is that a person with different belief who finds himself in such a party can easily be swayed into taking up the party’s crude and wicked ways of doing things. An example is a case of a PDP senator in 2007 that rejected his share of bribery on three occasions but finally gave in on the fourth occasion when he had become overwhelmed by the incessant approaches by his party to toe the party’s line.

Similarly, a crooked politician can be straightened by the good ideology of his party if he soon discovers that his crude ways have no place in his party’s belief.

Leadership
There is the common saying that when the head is rotten, it affects the whole body. This saying aptly describes the type of leaders we have had in PDP. It is the type of leadership that determines how the followers behave. When PDP politicians knew that OBJ was in the habit of bribing his way in the national assembly, what and who would have stopped them from engaging in their own “lootocracy”?
Whence PDP politicians knew that “stealing was not corruption” under GEJ, and also knew that keeping “the goats and yams” together (the politicians and the treasury) was enough justification for them to loot with reckless abandon, who/what would have stopped them from stealing?

Absence of good leadership from PDP in the sixteen years it ruled is well documented such that no one can wish it away. No amount of articles or campaign can sweep those unfortunate years away from Nigeria’s history and it makes mockery of anyone attempting to re-write the history because Nigerians are largely no fools. Those with short memories will always be reminded at the right time.

Lastly, the corrupt politicians who have moved from PDP to APC cannot now be termed saints. They remain with stains and their corruption cases/allegations still hang on their neck and we hope they are eventually brought to justice. However, what is more important to Nigerians now is how they behave under new leadership and a new party with sane ideologies.

The question is, if PDP is not responsible for ruining Nigeria in the sixteen years it ruled, which party did?

Nigeria shall be great again!

PassingShot:
It was PDP that condoned corruption that made their members engage in it with impunity.
I have answered this in the original post you quoted. It's failure of leadership of the party PDP.

iyobs7:
PDP na person name? The name of those that destroyed Nigeria today are all in the so called APC

Guyman02:
Credit: Olofin O Emmanuel:

Can a Leopard change it spots? CHANGE 2015, CHANGE, CHANGE?

APC Lists of Gubernatorial Candidates for the 2015 Elections:

1] KWARA: AbdulFatah Hamed (former PDP)
2] KEBBI: Abubakar Atiku Bagudu (former PDP)
3] KATSINA: Aminu Bello Masari (former PDP)
4] KANO: Umar Abdullahi Ganduje (former PDP)
5] KADUNA: Malam Nasir El-rufa'i (former PDP)
6] JIGAWA: Alh. Abubakar Badaru (former PDP)
7] BAUCHI: Barr. Muhammad Abubakar (former PDP)
8] GOMBE: Alh. Inuwa Yahya (former PDP)
9] NIGER: Abubakar Bello Sani (former PDP)
10] ADAMAWA: Umar Jibrilla Bindow (former PDP)
11] PLATEAU: Mr Simon Lalong (former PDP)
12] BENUE: Dr Samuel Ortom (former PDP)
13] TARABA: Aisha Jummai Alhassan (former PDP)
14] RIVERS: Dakuku Peterside (former PDP)
15] IMO: Rochas Okorocha (former PDP)
16] ENUGU: Okey Ezea (former PDP)
17] ABIA: Dr Nyerere Anyim (former PDP)
18] EBONYI: Dr Steve Egbo (former PDP).
19) Sokoto: Aminu Tambuwal. (Former PDP)

Who is now talking about CHANGE? Who is Changing who?
Is it these PDP rejected,Black sheep and Bad eggs that are calling for CHANGE?

NIGERIANS MUST SHINE THEIR EYES AND NOT BE DECEIVED BY CHANGE CROONERS.

smuth:
[size=14pt]Hahaha PassingShot is trying to tell us that PDP were the aliens that destroyed Nigeria, please when you see one kill them including that APC chieftain called Atiku. Senseless people plenty for Naija sha.[/size]

PassingShot:
It’s unfortunate that politics has made many to become irrational and illogical in their reasoning. This fact is more pronounced on this forum by many members from both sides of the divide (APC & PDP).

I read with astonishment, an attempt by TonyeBarcanista to stand logic on its head with a thread claiming that it’s illogical to say PDP destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years! What an absurdity and irresponsibility!

If any sane human being wants to argue against the fact that it was PDP that destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years, the person will need to at least provide the name of the party that did. It won’t be enough to tell us that some of those in PDP who contributed to ruining Nigeria in those sixteen years have either moved to APC or another party. Anyone who maintains that PDP is not responsible is illogical and is committing fallacy of Ignoratio elenchi (diverting argument to unrelated issues).

What is Logic?
In logic, necessity and sufficiency are implicational relationships between statements. The assertion that one statement is a necessary and sufficient condition of another means that the former statement is true if and only if the latter is true. That is, the two statements must be either simultaneously true or simultaneously false. 
In ordinary English, 'necessary' and 'sufficient' indicate relations between conditions or states of affairs, not statements. Being a male sibling is a necessary and sufficient condition for being a brother. Fred's being a male sibling is necessary and sufficient for the truth of the statement that Fred is a brother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

Applying the above explanation, it’s no rocket science to understand that if President Obasanjo was in PDP in the eight years he ruled, PDP as a party is responsible for the outcome of his leadership in those eight years. This fact will hold true for eternity even if he changes party ten times thereafter.

From 1999 to 2015, the three presidents we have had in Nigeria (OBJ, Yar’Adua and GEJ) all belonged in PDP throughout their tenure and there is NOTHING anyone can say or do to change the fact that it was PDP that ruled in those years. To conclude otherwise (or attempt to), will only expose the arguer as an illogical, unreasonable and a mischievous entity.

Factors that determine success or failure of a party
The writer of the referenced article failed to consider the following factors that resulted in failure of PDP. Instead, he dwelled ignorantly or mischievously on occurrences (defections) that didn’t have any impact on the fact that those defectors were in PDP when the party ruled for the sixteen years under review.

Party’s Ideology
A party’s philosophy is very important in shaping how the party is perceived by the populace. At a point, PDP was known and addressed as a “killer party” because of the members’ attitude of settling their political scores by assassination of their opponents and foes within. Pa Alfred Rewane, Chief Bola Ige, Funsho Williams, Eyo Eyo, Marshall Harry, Barnabas Igwe and many others were brutally murdered during PDP reign. Not a single of those assassinations has been resolved till date.

Another prominent ideology of PDP is corruption. Whether the party sympathizers online and offline like to hear it or not, PDP took corruption in Nigeria to another level. During OBJ’s regime, it was not uncommon to hear and read how the NASS was bombarded with Ghana-Must-Go bags starched with hard currencies to bribe NASS members to do the biddings of the presidency. We were not kids not to remember how Ken Nnamani, Emwerem, and Okadigbo were all removed through bribing of senate members.

Under PDP there were high profile corruption cases that remain unresolved till date. Pension scam (30 billion naira); Oil Subsidy fraud in which many were arraigned for defrauding the nation of billions of dollars in subsidies they never earned; Nigerian Immigration Scam where many innocent souls were lost and no one was brought to justice; Stella Oduah’s N255m BMW and Kerosene Scam just to mention a few.

Implication of PDP philosophy of political assassination and corruption is that a person with different belief who finds himself in such a party can easily be swayed into taking up the party’s crude and wicked ways of doing things. An example is a case of a PDP senator in 2007 that rejected his share of bribery on three occasions but finally gave in on the fourth occasion when he had become overwhelmed by the incessant approaches by his party to toe the party’s line.

Similarly, a crooked politician can be straightened by the good ideology of his party if he soon discovers that his crude ways have no place in his party’s belief.

Leadership
There is the common saying that when the head is rotten, it affects the whole body. This saying aptly describes the type of leaders we have had in PDP. It is the type of leadership that determines how the followers behave. When PDP politicians knew that OBJ was in the habit of bribing his way in the national assembly, what and who would have stopped them from engaging in their own “lootocracy”?
Whence PDP politicians knew that “stealing was not corruption” under GEJ, and also knew that keeping “the goats and yams” together (the politicians and the treasury) was enough justification for them to loot with reckless abandon, who/what would have stopped them from stealing?

Absence of good leadership from PDP in the sixteen years it ruled is well documented such that no one can wish it away. No amount of articles or campaign can sweep those unfortunate years away from Nigeria’s history and it makes mockery of anyone attempting to re-write the history because Nigerians are largely no fools. Those with short memories will always be reminded at the right time.

Lastly, the corrupt politicians who have moved from PDP to APC cannot now be termed saints. They remain with stains and their corruption cases/allegations still hang on their neck and we hope they are eventually brought to justice. However, what is more important to Nigerians now is how they behave under new leadership and a new party with sane ideologies.

The question is, if PDP is not responsible for ruining Nigeria in the sixteen years it ruled, which party did?

Nigeria shall be great again!

IzonOwei:
so the new party they belong to wont condone corruption...but at the same time they formed the party...i have always said that the solution to our problem is lynching our politicians...till then na suffer laugh we dey....so you mean the above guys could not be honest enough to disengage themselves from corruption even though the leadership then condoned it...cheii...passingshot pick up your stick and lets mob our leaders,,its the way out...blame games wont help us...

PassingShot:
I didn't know there was a rejoinder by IbnSultan. If I knew, I wouldn't do this. However, he needs to be educated on logic, philosophy and fallacies.

Firefire:
Pansa ofura, pansa ja sina, Aja o fura, ajaa jin.

Bi onile ofura, awon elegiri, igara olosa, APC yio ko ile yin lo.

Sorry, APC is a party of professional liars and career looters.