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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by ojialo(m): 10:27am On Nov 03, 2015
so PDP has been in power since 1960??
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by PassingShot(m): 10:27am On Nov 03, 2015
HARDDON:
Party is faceless, individuals makes party. And we all knw where the major players back den, belongs now.

How can u put new wine in an old bottle and thereafter go into d streets waving broom sticks shouting change?

Split hairs from now till morrow, fact remains, the old hags are hanging on, striving to remain relevant, not untill dey all die,we mourn them for a week n restructure, change wud remains elusive
Does this absolve PDP of the responsibility for the sixteen years ruin? A yes or a No will do.

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by dacovajnr: 10:28am On Nov 03, 2015
GhenGhen! Passingshot vs Barcanista grin.. passingshot you deserve one night stand from ma Olosho..but fortunately I don't share..one bottle of Chilled Root

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Nobody: 10:28am On Nov 03, 2015
are the same pdp people not in apc now...so what are we talking about...the present government should diversify our economy,curb corruption and embrace true federalism and we move on...it would only be counter productive to blame the pdp for present woes whilst the same pdp demons are in apc...when would we ever learn in this country...

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Burger01(m): 10:29am On Nov 03, 2015
PDP ruled Nigeria for the past 16 years. In those frigging 16 years Nigeria remained in shambles! YES, it's damn logical to infer that PDP ruined Nigeria in those years. Now that baton has changed hands, we are seeing the light.

PDP, party of destruction and ruins... Frigging dead partyundecided

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by PassingShot(m): 10:29am On Nov 03, 2015
IzonOwei:
but oga passingshot didnt it ever occur to you that majority of persons forming the new found hypocritical party called apc were pdp people...or do you think the pdp was just a name...is it not people who made up the pdp,,are those same persons not in the apc now...this is why i say buhari should keep his malam-like mouth shut and get to work... angry angry.....we need to move forward instead of this blame games...
You can do better.

Read the peice again and pay attention to party's ideology and the kind of leadership a party provides.
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by matzobi: 10:29am On Nov 03, 2015
who are these pdp?
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by dwen: 10:34am On Nov 03, 2015
PassingShot:
It’s unfortunate that politics has made many to become irrational and illogical in their reasoning. This fact is more pronounced on this forum by many members from both sides of the divide (APC & PDP).

I read with astonishment, an attempt by TonyeBarcanista to stand logic on its head with a thread claiming that it’s illogical to say PDP destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years! What an absurdity and irresponsibility!

If any sane human being wants to argue against the fact that it was PDP that destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years, the person will need to at least provide the name of the party that did. It won’t be enough to tell us that some of those in PDP who contributed to ruining Nigeria in those sixteen years have either moved to APC or another party. Anyone who maintains that PDP is not responsible is illogical and is committing fallacy of Ignoratio elenchi (diverting argument to unrelated issues).

What is Logic?
In logic, necessity and sufficiency are implicational relationships between statements. The assertion that one statement is a necessary and sufficient condition of another means that the former statement is true if and only if the latter is true. That is, the two statements must be either simultaneously true or simultaneously false. 
In ordinary English, 'necessary' and 'sufficient' indicate relations between conditions or states of affairs, not statements. Being a male sibling is a necessary and sufficient condition for being a brother. Fred's being a male sibling is necessary and sufficient for the truth of the statement that Fred is a brother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

Applying the above explanation, it’s no rocket science to understand that if President Obasanjo was in PDP in the eight years he ruled, PDP as a party is responsible for the outcome of his leadership in those eight years. This fact will hold true for eternity even if he changes party ten times thereafter.

From 1999 to 2015, the three presidents we have had in Nigeria (OBJ, Yar’Adua and GEJ) all belonged in PDP throughout their tenure and there is NOTHING anyone can say or do to change the fact that it was PDP that ruled in those years. To conclude otherwise (or attempt to), will only expose the arguer as an illogical, unreasonable and a mischievous entity.

Factors that determine success or failure of a party
The writer of the referenced article failed to consider the following factors that resulted in failure of PDP. Instead, he dwelled ignorantly or mischievously on occurrences (defections) that didn’t have any impact on the fact that those defectors were in PDP when the party ruled for the sixteen years under review.

Party’s Ideology
A party’s philosophy is very important in shaping how the party is perceived by the populace. At a point, PDP was known and addressed as a “killer party” because of the members’ attitude of settling their political scores by assassination of their opponents and foes within. Pa Alfred Rewane, Chief Bola Ige, Funsho Williams, Eyo Eyo, Marshall Harry, Barnabas Igwe and many others were brutally murdered during PDP reign. Not a single of those assassinations has been resolved till date.

Another prominent ideology of PDP is corruption. Whether the party sympathizers online and offline like to hear it or not, PDP took corruption in Nigeria to another level. During OBJ’s regime, it was not uncommon to hear and read how the NASS was bombarded with Ghana-Must-Go bags starched with hard currencies to bribe NASS members to do the biddings of the presidency. We were not kids not to remember how Ken Nnamani, Emwerem, and Okadigbo were all removed through bribing of senate members.

Under PDP there were high profile corruption cases that remain unresolved till date. Pension scam (30 billion naira); Oil Subsidy fraud in which many were arraigned for defrauding the nation of billions of dollars in subsidies they never earned; Nigerian Immigration Scam where many innocent souls were lost and no one was brought to justice; Stella Oduah’s N255m BMW and Kerosene Scam just to mention a few.

Implication of PDP philosophy of political assassination and corruption is that a person with different belief who finds himself in such a party can easily be swayed into taking up the party’s crude and wicked ways of doing things. An example is a case of a PDP senator in 2007 that rejected his share of bribery on three occasions but finally gave in on the fourth occasion when he had become overwhelmed by the incessant approaches by his party to toe the party’s line.

Similarly, a crooked politician can be straightened by the good ideology of his party if he soon discovers that his crude ways have no place in his party’s belief.

Leadership
There is the common saying that when the head is rotten, it affects the whole body. This saying aptly describes the type of leaders we have had in PDP. It is the type of leadership that determines how the followers behave. When PDP politicians knew that OBJ was in the habit of bribing his way in the national assembly, what and who would have stopped them from engaging in their own “lootocracy”?
Whence PDP politicians knew that “stealing was not corruption” under GEJ, and also knew that keeping “the goats and yams” together (the politicians and the treasury) was enough justification for them to loot with reckless abandon, who/what would have stopped them from stealing?

Absence of good leadership from PDP in the sixteen years it ruled is well documented such that no one can wish it away. No amount of articles or campaign can sweep those unfortunate years away from Nigeria’s history and it makes mockery of anyone attempting to re-write the history because Nigerians are largely no fools. Those with short memories will always be reminded at the right time.

Lastly, the corrupt politicians who have moved from PDP to APC cannot now be termed saints. They remain with stains and their corruption cases/allegations still hang on their neck and we hope they are eventually brought to justice. However, what is more important to Nigerians now is how they behave under new leadership and a new party with sane ideologies.

The question is, if PDP is not responsible for ruining Nigeria in the sixteen years it ruled, which party did?

Nigeria shall be great again!
Oga we have read your story and we now understand what you are trying to say, but how long will APC continue to complain and complain and complain? you forget PDP took over from military they may be bad in fact from your story they are bad, but BUHARI is failing already, in fact am so scared of his administration because, is only a failure that keeps complain about his past. the economy of Nigeria is in its worst state right now people are being sacked no job no money nothing is working but your BUHARI instead of him to start work and let the people be happy again or be free again, he is busy complaining and complaining and he has just about 3 and half year left for him, am sure he will complain for that 3 years plus. we are watching and disappointed already.

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by rozayx5(m): 10:34am On Nov 03, 2015
Bugatie:
Oga Passingshot advice your party to focus on the business of governance for which they took power.

It's been more than 5 months since APC came to power but you guys still act like you're still in opposition and won't stop blaming PDP for your woes.

5 months into its 4 year tenure and countless companies have folded operations with many sacking and placing it's staff on redundancy. The economic outlook is so bleak and rudderless like a ship without captain and all you guys do is engage in masturbatic rants in the media.

Buhari and APC cannot blame Jonathan/PDP forever!

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Orikinla(m): 10:35am On Nov 03, 2015
PassingShot:
It’s unfortunate that politics has made many to become irrational and illogical in their reasoning. This fact is more pronounced on this forum by many members from both sides of the divide (APC & PDP).

I read with astonishment, an attempt by TonyeBarcanista to stand logic on its head with a thread claiming that it’s illogical to say PDP destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years! What an absurdity and irresponsibility!

If any sane human being wants to argue against the fact that it was PDP that destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years, the person will need to at least provide the name of the party that did. It won’t be enough to tell us that some of those in PDP who contributed to ruining Nigeria in those sixteen years have either moved to APC or another party. Anyone who maintains that PDP is not responsible is illogical and is committing fallacy of Ignoratio elenchi (diverting argument to unrelated issues).

What is Logic?
In logic, necessity and sufficiency are implicational relationships between statements. The assertion that one statement is a necessary and sufficient condition of another means that the former statement is true if and only if the latter is true. That is, the two statements must be either simultaneously true or simultaneously false. 
In ordinary English, 'necessary' and 'sufficient' indicate relations between conditions or states of affairs, not statements. Being a male sibling is a necessary and sufficient condition for being a brother. Fred's being a male sibling is necessary and sufficient for the truth of the statement that Fred is a brother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

Applying the above explanation, it’s no rocket science to understand that if President Obasanjo was in PDP in the eight years he ruled, PDP as a party is responsible for the outcome of his leadership in those eight years. This fact will hold true for eternity even if he changes party ten times thereafter.

From 1999 to 2015, the three presidents we have had in Nigeria (OBJ, Yar’Adua and GEJ) all belonged in PDP throughout their tenure and there is NOTHING anyone can say or do to change the fact that it was PDP that ruled in those years. To conclude otherwise (or attempt to), will only expose the arguer as an illogical, unreasonable and a mischievous entity.

Factors that determine success or failure of a party
The writer of the referenced article failed to consider the following factors that resulted in failure of PDP. Instead, he dwelled ignorantly or mischievously on occurrences (defections) that didn’t have any impact on the fact that those defectors were in PDP when the party ruled for the sixteen years under review.

Party’s Ideology
A party’s philosophy is very important in shaping how the party is perceived by the populace. At a point, PDP was known and addressed as a “killer party” because of the members’ attitude of settling their political scores by assassination of their opponents and foes within. Pa Alfred Rewane, Chief Bola Ige, Funsho Williams, Eyo Eyo, Marshall Harry, Barnabas Igwe and many others were brutally murdered during PDP reign. Not a single of those assassinations has been resolved till date.

Another prominent ideology of PDP is corruption. Whether the party sympathizers online and offline like to hear it or not, PDP took corruption in Nigeria to another level. During OBJ’s regime, it was not uncommon to hear and read how the NASS was bombarded with Ghana-Must-Go bags starched with hard currencies to bribe NASS members to do the biddings of the presidency. We were not kids not to remember how Ken Nnamani, Emwerem, and Okadigbo were all removed through bribing of senate members.

Under PDP there were high profile corruption cases that remain unresolved till date. Pension scam (30 billion naira); Oil Subsidy fraud in which many were arraigned for defrauding the nation of billions of dollars in subsidies they never earned; Nigerian Immigration Scam where many innocent souls were lost and no one was brought to justice; Stella Oduah’s N255m BMW and Kerosene Scam just to mention a few.

Implication of PDP philosophy of political assassination and corruption is that a person with different belief who finds himself in such a party can easily be swayed into taking up the party’s crude and wicked ways of doing things. An example is a case of a PDP senator in 2007 that rejected his share of bribery on three occasions but finally gave in on the fourth occasion when he had become overwhelmed by the incessant approaches by his party to toe the party’s line.

Similarly, a crooked politician can be straightened by the good ideology of his party if he soon discovers that his crude ways have no place in his party’s belief.

Leadership
There is the common saying that when the head is rotten, it affects the whole body. This saying aptly describes the type of leaders we have had in PDP. It is the type of leadership that determines how the followers behave. When PDP politicians knew that OBJ was in the habit of bribing his way in the national assembly, what and who would have stopped them from engaging in their own “lootocracy”?
Whence PDP politicians knew that “stealing was not corruption” under GEJ, and also knew that keeping “the goats and yams” together (the politicians and the treasury) was enough justification for them to loot with reckless abandon, who/what would have stopped them from stealing?

Absence of good leadership from PDP in the sixteen years it ruled is well documented such that no one can wish it away. No amount of articles or campaign can sweep those unfortunate years away from Nigeria’s history and it makes mockery of anyone attempting to re-write the history because Nigerians are largely no fools. Those with short memories will always be reminded at the right time.

Lastly, the corrupt politicians who have moved from PDP to APC cannot now be termed saints. They remain with stains and their corruption cases/allegations still hang on their neck and we hope they are eventually brought to justice. However, what is more important to Nigerians now is how they behave under new leadership and a new party with sane ideologies.

The question is, if PDP is not responsible for ruining Nigeria in the sixteen years it ruled, which party did?

Nigeria shall be great again!

Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Standing5(m): 10:36am On Nov 03, 2015
PassingShot, you forgot to add the rotation policy that had no legal backing. The ''Nigeria will be ungovernable'' episode too.
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by nwakibie3(m): 10:37am On Nov 03, 2015
Party is faceless. OK sue PDP as a party for destroying Nigeria and tell me who the respondents will be...
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by MizMyColi(f): 10:37am On Nov 03, 2015
Sincere9gerian:
Who is PDP? Where does PDP reside? What tribe is PDP?

PassingShot
Please answer this.

Who created these Ideologies?
Was it the letter PDP? or was it the people in it?

Where are majority of those people today.

How you lot expect Buhari to fight the same corruption that enthroned him is something that befuddles me.

I suppose the war chest Amaechi brought to the APC primaries that saw Buhari's emergence wasn't a product of corruption.

If you are holding brief for Buhari as the only sane person in the APC, fine. 4 years will give us a better insight. A bad precedent was set by him with his shoddy asset declaration.

You don't get the point here, do you?

It's not about the letters PDP...
It's about the individuals who destroyed the party's foundations.

The true ideology of the founding members of PDP was that of a democratic national party, where everyone is accommodated.
The negatives you see or saw were perpetrated by individuals.

The true ideology of the APC is change...the desire to do things differently and yield maximal results.
Yet, what we see today are a people who thrive on lies, blame games, political scapegoatism and vendetta, hypocrisy, are obsessed with creating a one party state, CORRUPTION, etc.

The people you see in the APC today left the PDP because things weren't panning out for them as expected, not because they have the best interests of this nation at heart.
To see these lot chanting the change mantra ought to give you cause for worry, and rightly so.

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Nobody: 10:38am On Nov 03, 2015
We don't have to be hearing all these again since buhari has promised to fix things right.

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by anonimi: 10:38am On Nov 03, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
you forget that argument that Gej tried to fight the 'cabal', so they switched camp to Apc, and with the tools of propaganda and lies, caused him to lose an election.

Is this not true



Fuel Subsidy Scam: Senate Releases Names Of Cabal

Oando Oil, CONOIL, African Petroleum and MRS Oil are among the powerful players in the petroleum sector that have shared over N3.655 trillion between 2006 and September 2011 in pursuit of importation of refined petroleum products.

More from: http://saharareporters.com/2011/12/0...es-names-cabal


And the CABAL is back with Aisha Buhari as the arrow head of their return.






Alhaji Jubril 'Wale Tinubu is the CEO of Oando



Arguments like these and many others only serve as proof that most tanoids on this forum are either intellectually deficit or absolute morons.
All one needs to do is create a thread that plays to theri biases and they will follow like sheep.


It is obvious who the slowpoke is here, innit



www.nairaland.com/attachments/2837478_apczombie_jpeg18e83b86a22c6378b2e3f37984ea3432

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Intendy: 10:39am On Nov 03, 2015
PDP as a party has no meaningful script/plan
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Nobody: 10:41am On Nov 03, 2015
PassingShot:

You can do better.

Read the peice again and pay attention to party's ideology and the kind of leadership a party provides.
so tell me what does the apcs ideology...please tell me..with the same pdp fellows what ideology would the apc project....passingshot you need to be objective in this issue and look beyond your present stance...i know you're an apc zealot but just sit back and watch your party before you write such long sermons...


the only new thing about the apc is the party name...lets watch them for a while ....

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by steve440: 10:42am On Nov 03, 2015
PassingShot:

I didn't know there was a rejoinder by IbnSultan. If I knew, I wouldn't do this. However, he needs to be educated on logic, philosophy and fallacies.
for ur mind ,na u know logic,philosophy and fallacies pass. mtcheww

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by iyobs7(f): 10:43am On Nov 03, 2015
HARDDON:
Party is faceless, individuals makes party. And we all knw where the major players back den, belongs now.

How can u put new wine in an old bottle and thereafter go into d streets waving broom sticks shouting change?

Split hairs from now till morrow, fact remains, the old hags are hanging on, striving to remain relevant, not untill dey all die,we mourn them for a week n restructure, change wud remains elusive

PassingShot, Please read this piece and give your head sense. Not all topics requires a reply, your reply or topic lacks logic and common sense.
If Jonathan becomes an APC member today, he'll become a saint, I am still waiting for Buhari to send someone to jail from the last administration. Hypocrites.

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Nobody: 10:44am On Nov 03, 2015
MizMyColi:


PassingShot
Please answer this.

Who created these Ideologies?
Was it the letter PDP? or was it the people in it?

Where are majority of those people today.

How you lot expect Buhari to fight the same corruption that enthroned him is something that befuddles me.

I suppose the war chest Amaechi brought to the APC primaries that saw Buhari's emergence wasn't a product of corruption.

If you are holding brief for Buhari as the only sane person in the APC, fine. 4 years will give us a better insight. A bad precedent was set by him with his shoddy asset declaration.

You don't get the point here, do you?

It's not about the letters PDP...
It's about the individuals who destroyed the party's foundations.

The true ideology of the founding members of PDP was that of a democratic national party, where everyone is accommodated.
The negatives you see or saw were perpetrated by individuals.

The true ideology of the APC is change...the desire to do things differently and yield maximal results.
Yet, what we see today are a people who thrive on lies, blame games, political scapegoatism and vendetta, hypocrisy, are obsessed with creating a one party state, CORRUPTION, etc.

The people you see in the APC today left the PDP because things weren't panning out for them as expected, not because they have the best interests of this nation at heart.
To see these lot chanting the change mantra ought to give you cause for worry, and rightly so.
exactly my point to passingshot....

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by dayo23(f): 10:45am On Nov 03, 2015
Firefire:
APC members and their myopic ways of reasoning. cheesy


See weeping to the gods....
you make no sense
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by iyobs7(f): 10:46am On Nov 03, 2015
Adaowerri111:
If any sane human being wants to argue against the fact that it was PDP that destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years, the person will need to at least provide the name of the party that did - PassingShot


Tonyebarcanista
Barcanista

PDP na person name? The name of those that destroyed Nigeria today are all in the so called APC

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by deSika(m): 10:46am On Nov 03, 2015
Nairalanders love unnecessary argument sha. Is it that you do not understand bacanista's point of view.

I think bacanista shud have said. "the people who you say destroyed this country in the past 16 years are the same people who you present to change this country to heaven on earth" simple.

And every sane person would be apprehensive if someone who destroyed their farmland comes back to tell them that he would make their farmland the best in the town. Stop deceiving yourselves.


Fact:
1. The same people who destroyed this country in pdp are the same people who have changed ships to apc. (its left for us to see if those destructive agents can change to change agents)

2. Nigeria was not like heaven before pdp. Pdp did not kickstart nigeria's rot.

3. Pdp's contribution to the rot of this country can never be underestimated.

4. Most Nigerians love self delusion and hypocrisy. They know what their problem is but are not willing to solve it.

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by smuth(m): 10:46am On Nov 03, 2015
PassingShot:
It’s unfortunate that politics has made many to become irrational and illogical in their reasoning. This fact is more pronounced on this forum by many members from both sides of the divide (APC & PDP).

I read with astonishment, an attempt by TonyeBarcanista to stand logic on its head with a thread claiming that it’s illogical to say PDP destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years! What an absurdity and irresponsibility!

If any sane human being wants to argue against the fact that it was PDP that destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years, the person will need to at least provide the name of the party that did. It won’t be enough to tell us that some of those in PDP who contributed to ruining Nigeria in those sixteen years have either moved to APC or another party. Anyone who maintains that PDP is not responsible is illogical and is committing fallacy of Ignoratio elenchi (diverting argument to unrelated issues).

What is Logic?
In logic, necessity and sufficiency are implicational relationships between statements. The assertion that one statement is a necessary and sufficient condition of another means that the former statement is true if and only if the latter is true. That is, the two statements must be either simultaneously true or simultaneously false. 
In ordinary English, 'necessary' and 'sufficient' indicate relations between conditions or states of affairs, not statements. Being a male sibling is a necessary and sufficient condition for being a brother. Fred's being a male sibling is necessary and sufficient for the truth of the statement that Fred is a brother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

Applying the above explanation, it’s no rocket science to understand that if President Obasanjo was in PDP in the eight years he ruled, PDP as a party is responsible for the outcome of his leadership in those eight years. This fact will hold true for eternity even if he changes party ten times thereafter.

From 1999 to 2015, the three presidents we have had in Nigeria (OBJ, Yar’Adua and GEJ) all belonged in PDP throughout their tenure and there is NOTHING anyone can say or do to change the fact that it was PDP that ruled in those years. To conclude otherwise (or attempt to), will only expose the arguer as an illogical, unreasonable and a mischievous entity.

Factors that determine success or failure of a party
The writer of the referenced article failed to consider the following factors that resulted in failure of PDP. Instead, he dwelled ignorantly or mischievously on occurrences (defections) that didn’t have any impact on the fact that those defectors were in PDP when the party ruled for the sixteen years under review.

Party’s Ideology
A party’s philosophy is very important in shaping how the party is perceived by the populace. At a point, PDP was known and addressed as a “killer party” because of the members’ attitude of settling their political scores by assassination of their opponents and foes within. Pa Alfred Rewane, Chief Bola Ige, Funsho Williams, Eyo Eyo, Marshall Harry, Barnabas Igwe and many others were brutally murdered during PDP reign. Not a single of those assassinations has been resolved till date.

Another prominent ideology of PDP is corruption. Whether the party sympathizers online and offline like to hear it or not, PDP took corruption in Nigeria to another level. During OBJ’s regime, it was not uncommon to hear and read how the NASS was bombarded with Ghana-Must-Go bags starched with hard currencies to bribe NASS members to do the biddings of the presidency. We were not kids not to remember how Ken Nnamani, Emwerem, and Okadigbo were all removed through bribing of senate members.

Under PDP there were high profile corruption cases that remain unresolved till date. Pension scam (30 billion naira); Oil Subsidy fraud in which many were arraigned for defrauding the nation of billions of dollars in subsidies they never earned; Nigerian Immigration Scam where many innocent souls were lost and no one was brought to justice; Stella Oduah’s N255m BMW and Kerosene Scam just to mention a few.

Implication of PDP philosophy of political assassination and corruption is that a person with different belief who finds himself in such a party can easily be swayed into taking up the party’s crude and wicked ways of doing things. An example is a case of a PDP senator in 2007 that rejected his share of bribery on three occasions but finally gave in on the fourth occasion when he had become overwhelmed by the incessant approaches by his party to toe the party’s line.

Similarly, a crooked politician can be straightened by the good ideology of his party if he soon discovers that his crude ways have no place in his party’s belief.

Leadership
There is the common saying that when the head is rotten, it affects the whole body. This saying aptly describes the type of leaders we have had in PDP. It is the type of leadership that determines how the followers behave. When PDP politicians knew that OBJ was in the habit of bribing his way in the national assembly, what and who would have stopped them from engaging in their own “lootocracy”?
Whence PDP politicians knew that “stealing was not corruption” under GEJ, and also knew that keeping “the goats and yams” together (the politicians and the treasury) was enough justification for them to loot with reckless abandon, who/what would have stopped them from stealing?

Absence of good leadership from PDP in the sixteen years it ruled is well documented such that no one can wish it away. No amount of articles or campaign can sweep those unfortunate years away from Nigeria’s history and it makes mockery of anyone attempting to re-write the history because Nigerians are largely no fools. Those with short memories will always be reminded at the right time.

Lastly, the corrupt politicians who have moved from PDP to APC cannot now be termed saints. They remain with stains and their corruption cases/allegations still hang on their neck and we hope they are eventually brought to justice. However, what is more important to Nigerians now is how they behave under new leadership and a new party with sane ideologies.

The question is, if PDP is not responsible for ruining Nigeria in the sixteen years it ruled, which party did?

Nigeria shall be great again!

[b][size=13pt]PassingShot abi na wetin them call you? In the process of writing a counter thread you only succeded in making yourself sound stupid...I honestly can't figure out anything from this trash you posted, maybe Barcanista is way too advanced in his post and way more Intelligent in his delivery with verifiable facts. All you do is come out and rant. Bro you are not making any point.

It appears his point is too big for you to digest or your brain is just too small to understand the logic, let me help your situation with a simple analogy.

Take a bottle of coke, pour it in a bottle of fanta, now drink from that bottle of fanta. Will the taste of that drink change to fanta? A change of bottle will not change the taste.

Now picture this, suppose Goodluck Jonathan that you hate so much now change his party to join APC will you still count him as the PDP that destroyed Nigeria for 16 years?

PDP is just a party name just like any other party name. If APC truly want to practice the change that they preach then no former PDP members should be allowed to join APC in the first place. A thief will remain a thief even if he changes is home address.

If after reading this and you still can't understand the logic then you and the fools that click on like are irredeemably daft.[/b][/size]

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by PassingShot(m): 10:47am On Nov 03, 2015
IzonOwei:
so tell me what does the apcs ideology...please tell me..with the same pdp fellows what ideology would the apc project....passingshot you need to be objective in this issue and look beyond your present stance...i know you're an apc zealot but just sit back and watch your party before you write such long sermons...


the only new thing about the apc is the party name...lets watch them for a while ....
Feel free to call me whatever suits you. Your prerogative.
The topic is a rejoinder which borders on logic. And as far as logic is concerned, PDP is responsible for our unfortunate state of affairs.
If and when APC has failed, you will be qualified to condemn the party.
And on the question of who are in APC that were not in PDP, I expect a toddler to realize that PMB and VPYO were both never in PDP. Oyegun is another person.
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by miqos02(m): 10:47am On Nov 03, 2015
gbam
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Busari132(m): 10:47am On Nov 03, 2015
Ignoratio Elenchi! Chaiii oyinbo
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by missKiffy(f): 10:48am On Nov 03, 2015
Counter thread cheesy
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by helpee(m): 10:48am On Nov 03, 2015
Adaowerri111:
If any sane human being wants to argue against the fact that it was PDP that destroyed Nigeria for sixteen years, the person will need to at least provide the name of the party that did - PassingShot


Tonyebarcanista
Barcanista
actually this is dumb. you mean if PDP should change its name to UPP tommorrow then the members of the new UPP too can start saying it was PDP that destroyed nigeria. The name of the party that destroyed nigeria was PDP which essentially transformed to APC so according to LOGIC, APC destroyed nigeria. if amaechi can claim that he looted funds because he operated under PDP and now that he is under APC he will never loot again and yet you made him a minister then armed robbers in the prison too can claim that they robbed because jonathan was president and now that buhari is there they should be released because they are not the one that stole, it was PDP that stole. you and passingshot are seriously brainwashed

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Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Firefire(m): 10:49am On Nov 03, 2015
dayo23:
you make no sense

Emi ko lo ko ba eee ooo cheesy
Re: Claim that PDP Responsible for 16 Years Of Ruins - Very Logical by Louislewis: 10:49am On Nov 03, 2015
[size=20pt]What Barcanista is trying to point out in his write-up was to make it clear that majority of those that are pointing out accusing finger to PDP as a party that destroy this nation were the same people under the umbrella of this same PDP irrespective of defecting to APC. They destroyed this nation to what we have today and still shouting PDP. PDP is a nomenclature that has no human thinking or actions, but its members were those human factors that destroy this nation irrespective of party affiliation. These are the same people in APC today pointing fingers on PDP as if cross carpeting to APC has made them to be incorruptible and a saint. I wonder why people can never say the truth the way it is. The question now is, if everybody in PDP had cross carpeted to APC, then nobody will be blame or held responsible for the mess we have in this nation? Mr Passingshot, my sincere advice to you and co-supporters is, tell your oga Buhari to start looking inward for blame and possible correction from his members if he wants this nation to move forward. Also, he should stop disgracing his daughters in front of his suitors if he wants them to get husbands. You don't tell your suitors that your female children are Ashawos and expect them to get married. He Buhari should talk less and face this nation with his blueprint if at all he has any. [/size]

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