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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 6:17pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
If you are intellectually too lazy to string your arguments together without being insultive, then you can stay behind and watch others with better intellect raise their points

What is the state of league right now?

That the Buli leaders molested the EPl joint table toppers and best defensiv team by 5 goals within 90mins?

is that recent enough?
yawns
Why are u running away from the question
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 6:18pm On Nov 05, 2015
PietroRico:
epa quit skipping your alzheimer medication, I beg of you
What has that got to do with anything
Quit with the unnecessary history yarns

I asked a simple question and I'll repeat

The bpl where top 4 is relatively fixed and burnthisleaguedown where the winner is fixed, which is less competitive

I'll paraphrase if that's too complex for you, stop staying off your meds though

Competition for the title and competition for CL places, which should be rated higher?
Looks like you are mentally unstable.

Assuming 1 spot of of 18 is fixed that means 5% is fixed

Assuming 4 out of 20 is fixed that means 20% is fixed

Ask anyone beside you to show you with is more competitive

One where they are competing for 95% or where they are competing for 80%
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 6:19pm On Nov 05, 2015
dopeJemi:
Lol, I was distracted, I was watching tv and typing at the same time... I have modified my post, answer the question I asked
Ok I would assume you were watching TV when you claimed a league where the top 4 is fixed is more competive than one where the top 4 is unpredictable

You are pardoned

What is your question, And how do I know you arent distracted currently
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:21pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
Not for long till Italy probably overtakes them. This season EPL has 6 points Serie A has 5.5
If it All leagues end where they are today EPL falls to 4th
Italy wont even come close.

If the season ended today, 3 EPL teams would ve topped their groups and qualified while 3 Bundesliga teams would ve been sent packing with their tails in between their legs...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 6:23pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
Ok I would assume you were watching TV when you claimed a league where the top 4 is fixed is more competive than one where the top 4 is unpredictable

You are pardoned

What is your question, And how do I know you arent distracted currently
You don crase finish grin grin

I said with that logic I gave, do you still think that the different winners determine how competitive a league is?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:24pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
Looks like you are mentally unstable.

Assuming 1 spot of of 18 is fixed that means 5% is fixed

Assuming 4 out of 20 is fixed that means 20% is fixed

Ask anyone beside you to show you with is more competitive

One where they are competing for 95% or where they are competing for 80%
So u're telling us a league where only one team is guaranteed of winning the league is more competitive than a league where 4 other teams ve to fight to win d league?? Wow!!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 6:25pm On Nov 05, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
Italy wont even come close.

If the season ended today, 3 EPL teams would ve topped their groups and qualified while 3 Bundesliga teams would ve been sent packing with their tails in between their legs...
then you dont know how the rankings work.

You need to do more research on how the rankings work
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 6:25pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
Looks like you are mentally unstable.

Assuming 1 spot of of 18 is fixed that means 5% is fixed

Assuming 4 out of 20 is fixed that means 20% is fixed

Ask anyone beside you to show you with is more competitive

One where they are competing for 95% or where they are competing for 80%
lol.. And you've irreversibly regressed mentally with age
So 1st spot suddenly is just as important as 3rd and 4th
So you would have us believe that competition for 1st spot which 'coincidentally' goes with the all important trophy is equal to competition for 4th place? Lol

See how you are trying to commonise the fact that one team gets to go home with the title unchallenged

Your mental gymnastics for today is dead on arrival
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 6:26pm On Nov 05, 2015
dopeJemi:
You don crase finish grin grin

I said with that logic I gave, do you still think that the different winners determine how competitive a league is?
The more the number of winners the more competitive the league is. Which is why in the past 10yrs the french league is the most competitive followed by Bundesliga,
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 6:26pm On Nov 05, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
So u're telling us a league where only one team is guaranteed of winning the league is more competitive than a league where 4 other teams ve to fight to win d league?? Wow!!
Based on the past 10yrs 4 teams have won the Buli, 3 teams have won the EPL

Which is more competitive?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 6:27pm On Nov 05, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
So u're telling us a league where only one team is guaranteed of winning the league is more competitive than a league where 4 other teams ve to fight to win d league?? Wow!!
imagine grin grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 6:29pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
The more the number of winners the more competitive the league is. Which is why in the past 10yrs the french league is the most competitive followed by Bundesliga,
Alright, carry on
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 6:38pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
Based on recent years 3 out of 20 teams can realistically win the EPL

Based on the same 4 out of 18 teams can realistically win the Buli

Which is more competitive
How is it realistic that 4 out of 18 teams in Bundesliga will win the title when Bayern won 7 out of the last 11/12. The next team that won it only won it only 2 times in this period while others won it once. The probability that Bayern will win it every season is exceptionally high. This is not so in EPL.

What this simply means is that those that won it once will win it once in every two years. This is to show that they omly stumbled on the title the time they won it meaning they are one season fluke.

You`ve said it all that some teams aspire for top four while some aspire to win the league. It is only Bayern that aspire to win the league while others aspire to just qualify for UCL every year.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 6:42pm On Nov 05, 2015
tess1:
How is it realistic that 4 out of 18 teams in Bundesliga will win the title when Bayern won 7 out of the last 11/12. The next team that won it only won it only 2 times in this period while others won it once. The probability that Bayern will win it every season is exceptionally high. This is not so in EPL.

What this simply means is that those that won it once will win it once in every two years. This is to show that they omly stumbled on the title the time they won it meaning they are one season fluke.

You`ve said it all that some teams aspire for top four while some aspire to win the league. It is only Bayern that aspire to win the league while others aspire to just qualify for UCL every year.
that's the ultimate competition as far as baba is concerned
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 6:46pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
Going by the past 10yrs if the trend continues we can say 3 teams would win EPL and 4 teams would win the Buli

Now tell me which is more competiton
That is where the competition is because you can`t predict which of the three teams will win it most. Whereas, in Bundesliga, we all know that Bayern will win it most. Man United that has won it the most is not even guaranteed the highest number in the next 5 - 10 years to come.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:00pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
Based on the past 10yrs 4 teams have won the Buli, 3 teams have won the EPL

Which is more competitive?
Why should i go as far back as 10 yrs to suit ur own arguement, wen in the last 5 yrs, only 2 teams have won the bundesliga as opposed to three from the EPL. Now going by ur own logic, which league is more competitive??

Already Bayern ve won the league 3 seasons in a row and are on course to win it again nxt season. That makes 4 in a row.
In the history of the EPL, no team has won the league four times in a row. And u think the Bundesliga is still more competitive??

The Bundesliga is a "one horse race" kind of league
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:09pm On Nov 05, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
Why should i go as far back as 10 yrs to suit ur own arguement, wen in the last 5 yrs, only 2 teams have won the bundesliga as opposed to three from the EPL. Now going by ur own logic, which league is more competitive??

Already Bayern ve won the league 3 seasons in a row and are on course to win it again nxt season. That makes 4 in a row.
In the history of the EPL, no team has won the league four times in a row. And u think the Bundesliga is still more competitive??

The Bundesliga is a "one horse race" kind of league
Man Utd has won the league 3 in a row. Was the EPL uncompetitive in those time?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 7:33pm On Nov 05, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
So u're telling us a league where only one team is guaranteed of winning the league is more competitive than a league where 4 other teams ve to fight to win d league?? Wow!!
Raumdeter na Amalinze the Cat you no fit pin am down.
See how he wan use scope to steer the matter away from one team dominance of the bundesliga to criticizing the Top 4 finish in the EPL.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 7:36pm On Nov 05, 2015
PietroRico:
lol.. And you've irreversibly regressed mentally with age
So 1st spot suddenly is just as important as 3rd and 4th
So you would have us believe that competition for 1st spot which 'coincidentally' goes with the all important trophy is equal to competition for 4th place? Lol

See how you are trying to commonise the fact that one team gets to go home with the title unchallenged

Your mental gymnastics for today is dead on arrival
I wonder what kind of statistical calculation is that. One can only use probability in this situation.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 7:43pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
Man Utd has won the league 3 in a row. Was the EPL uncompetitive in those time?
You stylishly avoided the question..

With your logic which i refuse to accept. Which league has been more competitive in the past five years between the two?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:50pm On Nov 05, 2015
tess1:
You stylishly avoided the question..

With your logic which i refuse to accept. Which league has been more competitive in the past five years between the two?
a 5yr period is too restrictive and a 10yr period would be a better measure

If I choose between 07-11 a 5yr period where Man Utd won 4 titles Should I conclude based on that?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:51pm On Nov 05, 2015
SIRcumalot:
Raumdeter na Amalinze the Cat you no fit pin am down.
See how he wan use scope to steer the matter away from one team dominance of the bundesliga to criticizing the Top 4 finish in the EPL.
A top 4 is a bigger sample size than top 1

If the 4 positions are fixed like they are in the EPL , add that to the 5-6 position between Spurs and Pool

then you should ask, How many positions are teams really competing for
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by UniqueGem(m): 7:53pm On Nov 05, 2015
Guys abeg. I don't think i understand this Benzema news, does it mean Benzema has Valbuena's sex tape and has been using it to blackmail him? Or am i missing the point. I'm asking because i think what i'm thinking is stewpid.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:55pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
Man Utd has won the league 3 in a row. Was the EPL uncompetitive in those time?
and in that period, they made the semis of UCL in 06/07, final & won it in 07/08 and another final berth in 08/09.

unless there's barcelona & milan in the premier league, those 3 league titles in a row can be justified.

not even barca under pep made a CL final for 2 seasons in a row. united were by far the best team in england during that brief period.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:56pm On Nov 05, 2015
iSee u've conviniently dodged my qweshun....
In the last 5 yrs, only 2 teams have won the bundesliga as opposed to three from the EPL. Now going by ur own logic, which league is more competitive??
raumdeuter:
Man Utd has won the league 3 in a row. Was the EPL uncompetitive in those time?
Arsenal, United, Liverpool ve all won the league three times in a row on seperate occassions obviously. None ve won it four timea in a row.

Bayern and Monchengladbach are the only teams to ve both won the Bundesliga three times in a row. Bayern ve won the Bundesliga three times in a row on four different occasions as opposed to Monchengladbach's one. Now Bayern are about to be the first team to win it four times in row.

There's definitely no competition between Bayern and the other 17 teams. A league can't get more one-sided than this.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:00pm On Nov 05, 2015
tess1:
You stylishly avoided the question..

With your logic which i refuse to accept. Which league has been more competitive in the past five years between the two?
Leave am. He likes playing smart. We'll show him United fans on dis thread are smarter
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:05pm On Nov 05, 2015
raumdeuter:
[b]a 5yr period is too restrictive and a 10yr period would be a better [/b]measure

If I choose between 07-11 a 5yr period where Man Utd won 4 titles Should I conclude based on that?
A 5 yr period is too restrictive??
And not too long ago, u were the one defending UEFA's Coefficient ranking on a 5 year period just bcoz it favored the Bundesliga wen the EPL has obviously been the better league in the last 10 yrs.

Go on. Keep shooting urself in the foot.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:07pm On Nov 05, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
iSee u've conviniently dodged my qweshun....


Arsenal, United, Liverpool ve all won the league three times in a row on seperate occassions obviously. None ve won it four timea in a row.

Bayern and Monchengladbach are the only teams to ve both won the Bundesliga three times in a row. Bayern ve won the Bundesliga three times in a row on four different occasions as opposed to Monchengladbach's one. Now Bayern are about to be the first team to win it four times in row.

There's definitely no competition between Bayern and the other 17 teams. A league can't get more one-sided than this.
How many years of English football are you considering and how many years of german football? Are you taking over 120yrs of English football and comparing it to how many yrs of the Buli?

Man Utd won 3 in a row twice in the past 20yrs
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:08pm On Nov 05, 2015
Meanwhile, Januzaj is playing tonight for Dortmund and he's tearing FK Qabala a new one down on dat left flank.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:09pm On Nov 05, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
A 5 yr period is too restrictive??
And not too long ago, u were the one defending UEFA's Coefficient ranking on a 5 year period just bcoz it favored the Bundesliga wen the EPL has obviously been the better league in the last 10 yrs.

Go on. Keep shooting urself in the foot.
UEFA chose the 5yr period not me.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 8:12pm On Nov 05, 2015
tess1:
I wonder what kind of statistical calculation is that. One can only use probability in this situation.
he usually forgets this isn't shekpe thread where he Spits all sorts of crap and gets away with it
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:12pm On Nov 05, 2015
coogar:
and in that period, they made the semis of UCL in 06/07, final & won it in 07/08 and another final berth in 08/09.

unless there's barcelona & milan in the premier league, those 3 league titles in a row can be justified.

not even barca under pep made a CL final for 2 seasons in a row. united were by far the best team in england during that brief period.
Why are you not using this same explanation for Bayern in the current period between 2010 and now bayern have made 3 CL finals and lost 2 Semi finals and Bayern are the best team by far in Germany with only Barca and Madrid being the teams in the whole Europe who can stop them
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