raumdeuter:


You are assuming that German league football started in 1963. Germany have won the world cup before 1963 they were playing European cup(E.g Frankfurt played a European cup final in 1960, So if there was no league how were they qualifying for the European cup and grooming players for the world cup)

There has been a league in Germany as far back as 1903 112yrs ago.

The league was restructured in 1963 just like EPL was changed in 1992.

Since restructure Bayern have won slightly less than 50% of the titles

Since restructure of the English league There have been 23 championships and man Utd have won 13 of it (56%)

Now tell me which one is more competitive

We are talking of the establishment of Professional Leagues, not Regional/District tournament that was being played before 1963/64. There was also a league system in place in England before 1888/89 but was not a Professional league. We are only taking into consideration when the leagues became professional leagues.

tess1:


We are talking of the establishment of Professional Leagues, not Regional/District tournament that was being played before 1963/64. There was also a league system in place in England before 1888/89 but was not a Professional league. We are only taking into consideration when the leagues became professional leagues.

Its no ones business whether the league is professional or not. Not calling it professional league does not stop it from being a league

A league is a league whether they called it professional or not and it has teams and produces champions just like every other league.

They were using goalpost, they were using spherical balls, the rules are the same

Argentina used to have a apertura and clausura format in their league would that mean there was no league football in Argentina just because they didnt follow the pattern of others?

If they change the EPL tomorrow to "Intergalactic English Supersonic league" where teams are grouped into region/district, would not mean there was no league football in England before 2015

I remember when they changed the Nigerian league to Professional league in the early 90s does that mean there were no league competition in Nigeria prior to that time?

You want to know how and why you are wrong? You said Bayern won 25 leagues did you realize that included league titles won in the Pre Bundesliga era when the league wasnt professional? You see how you shot yourself in the foot

Anyway I wont crucify you because we all make mistakes Back to the issue

In the premier league era Man Utd have won 56% of the titles, In the Bundesliga era, bayern have won less than 50% of the titles

Now tell which is more competitive

tess1:


We are talking of the establishment of Professional Leagues, not Regional/District tournament that was being played before 1963/64. There was also a league system in place in England before 1888/89 but was not a Professional league. We are only taking into consideration when the leagues became professional leagues.

if you make a large class size, the EPL is more competitive than bundesliga. not even raumdeuter can argue that. the funny thing is he actually acknowledged that there was football before the premier league & the bundesliga were both established.

raumdeuter:


Its no ones business whether the league is professional or not. Not calling it professional league does not stop it from being a league

A league is a league whether they called it professional or not and it has teams and produces champions just like every other league.

They were using goalpost, they were using spherical balls, the rules are the same

If they change the EPL tomorrow to "Intergalactic English Supersonic league" would not mean there was no league football in England before 2015

I remember when they changed the Nigerian league to Professional league in the early 90s does that mean there were no league competition in Nigeria prior to that time?

You want to know how and why you are wrong? You said Bayern won 25 leagues did you realize that included league titles won in the Pre Bundesliga era when the league wasnt professional? You see how you shot yourself in the foot

Anyway I wont crucify you because we all make mistakes Back to the issue

In the premier league era Man Utd have won 56% of the titles, In the Bundesliga era, bayern have won less than 50% of the titles

Now tell which is more competitive

Unfortunately, those are the only recognised periods in world football, German football and English football. No one recognise those years when they only had regional/district football.

It is also good that you too acknowleged that those periods football was not professionalized, only that you don`t care.

The fact remains that Professional football started in England and Germany in 1888/89 and 1963/64 respectively. I too don`t care wether the game started in England before 1888/89 or not.

I`m done with this. Good night.

coogar:


if you make a large class size, the EPL is more competitive than bundesliga. not even raumdeuter can argue that. the funny thing is he actually acknowledged that there was football before the premier league & the bundesliga were both established.

Exactly what i stated up there. He wants to choose the class size that suits his argument.

tess1:

Unfortunately, those are the only recognised periods in world football, German football and English football. No one recognise those years when they only had regional/district football.

It is also good that you too acknowleged that those periods football was not professionalized, only that you don`t care.

The fact remains that Professional football started in England and Germany in 1888/89 and 1963/64 respectively. I too don`t care wether the game started in England before 1888/89 or not.

I`m done with this. Good night.

If no one recognized them how come the winners are allowed to enter for the European Cup.

Or do they just chose any random club to represent Germany in the European Cup

So Arsenal got thumped 5-1?

*in Pataki's voice* hmmmmm

Dayo isn't saying Buli is competitive though,we all know it's easier for a dinosaur to pass through a needle's eye than for any other team so win that league this season or next.

His argument though,is Bayern will extend same treatment it does to all German teams to most,if not all English teams.It's hard to argue against that too

coogar:
smalling did it again.....

Smalling na every website you go. He's been on a beast mode since 2nd half of last season. Pure defensive class!!

[img]http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/goal_uk/52/d8/champions-league-team-of-matchday-4-revealed_w9cxmau956na19fm00vtkbs7x.png?t=-722916576&w=480/[/img]

Who watched Celtic`s europa league match against Molde yesterday?
I read that Blackett was so woeful that he was subbed off as a sub.

Luke Shaw has been pictured leaving Manchester United’s Christmas do without crutches. Less than two months after breaking his leg in the Champions League game against PSV, Shaw is showing great progress.

Which is Chelsea’s biggest ever bridge?
1.Stamford Bridge.
2.Wayne Bridge.
3.The bridge between them and Europe next season?

[size=14pt]Evra: Fergie retirement felt like the world was over[/size]


Patrice Evra has reflected back on his final weeks at Manchester United before learning that Sir Alex Ferguson was set to retire at the end of the season.

"I remember we talked maybe two weeks before and he said, “Patrice, I will be here for another five years”. I said “Yes boss. Let’s do it”. I was so convinced. He was looking younger and younger. He even told me “99 per cent, Cristiano Ronaldo will come”. I was like “wow, we are ready to bounce back and to even win the Champions League again”. After that everyone knows what happened. You know when you are lost and you feel like the world is crumbling? It was a big trauma. It felt lost".

sinizia:

Smalling na every website you go. He's been on a beast mode since 2nd half of last season. Pure defensive class!!

[img]http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/goal_uk/52/d8/champions-league-team-of-matchday-4-revealed_w9cxmau956na19fm00vtkbs7x.png?t=-722916576&w=480/[/img]

Just a thought though, can LVG give Phil Jones a new first name too? Because Mike Smalling is on his way to being a legend.

Abeg I don't want them rushing Shaw back o..
He should jejely recover
Even if na next season, we'll wait

SailorXY:
So Arsenal got thumped 5-1?

*in Pataki's voice* hmmmmm

Azzin! I don't think an English team has ever been disgraced like dat in the UCL.

TEAM NEWS
Van Gaal has told MUTV in his exclusive interview before the press conference that he has no fresh injury concerns for Saturday's game, but Morgan Schneiderlin (ill) is doubtful, while Antonio Valencia (foot) and Matteo Darmian (suspended) are out.

So likely Young at the RB

chrisley024:
TEAM NEWS
Van Gaal has told MUTV in his exclusive interview before the press conference that he has no fresh injury concerns for Saturday's game, but Morgan Schneiderlin (ill) is doubtful, while Antonio Valencia (foot) and Matteo Darmian (suspended) are out.

So likely Young at the RB

Chaii.. Morgan doubtful...
I hope we take all three points

. Rooneys Mates;

'Ronaldo now holds all the records in Spain, with more club goals, more La Liga goals than messi and more recently Ronaldo surpassed Messi with more goals in the Champions League.'

Ronaldo further said:

"People compare us all the time and it's normal because we are compared since we are babies.
"I don't mean me and Messi but all the persons
at school. Who is faster? Who is cleverer? It's
part of life. It doesn't surprise me but
sometimes it makes me tired. He works unbelievably, and he's a fantastic professional. To beat him it's great and I know that he feels happy to see me beat his record."

"I think we should keep beating the records. Maybe in 10 or 20 years someone will beat my record. Nothing is impossible, but it will be hard.".......[ CR7 in sky sports]


That's how players of "timber and calibre" state their ambitions!

VAN GAAL REVEALS TEAM NEWS FOR WEST BROM CLASH

Manchester United will wait on Morgan Schneiderlin's availability for Saturday's Barclays Premier League clash with West Brom but Louis van Gaal has no fresh injuries to contend with.
Schneiderlin has been ill but is training ahead of the match and could be in contention to return to the side after missing the midweek Champions League victory over CSKA Moscow. Antonio Valencia remains sidelined and, of course, Luke Shaw is a long-term absentee, even if he is making good progress in his recovery from a broken leg. Another full-back, Matteo Darmian, is suspended after accumulating five yellow cards this season so Ashley Young could continue on the right-hand side of defence. "There are no injuries, only illnesses," van Gaal told MUTV . "Morgan Schneiderlin was ill. He shall train today for the first time so we have to wait and see. I cannot say there are a lot of changes for this game. Matteo Darmian is suspended so he cannot play and Valencia is injured."
The Reds ended a recent goal drought on Tuesday thanks to Wayne Rooney's winner and received a boost ahead of the Baggies clash. With another international break following the Old Trafford fixture, United are determined to register three points in order to keep up with the Barclays Premier League pacesetters. One man who will be high on morale after his midweek performance is Jesse Lingard, who is hoping to make his first Premier League start of the season after being involved in the last six matches.
"He’s doing well," said van Gaal. "That’s why I want to keep him and why I have said his chances shall come. He has a lot of pace and I like pace on the wings. Now he has first assist also [against CSKA]. I think he shall have a boost from this game because he played very well, in my opinion, and I hope he shall continue."

Exceptional numbers here

hope the trend am noticing doesn't continue.... losing the weekend before international break, happened against Swansea and a$$nal in September and October respectively...

ANDY ILL?

Old trafford legend "andy 'the force' cole has revealed today that he is currently battling a kidney ailment! Get well soon andy!.. (manutd.com)



On a lighter note in celebration of fireworks night in england, the club decided to share this video of classic rockets from united legends! Enjoy........

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Features/2015/Nov/video-manchester-united-rockets-on-fireworks-night.aspx

funlord:
. Rooneys Mates;

'Ronaldo now holds all the records in Spain, with more club goals, more La Liga goals than messi and more recently Ronaldo surpassed Messi with more goals in the Champions League.'

Ronaldo further said:

"People compare us all the time and it's normal because we are compared since we are babies.
"I don't mean me and Messi but all the persons
at school. Who is faster? Who is cleverer? It's
part of life. It doesn't surprise me but
sometimes it makes me tired. He works unbelievably, and he's a fantastic professional. To beat him it's great and I know that he feels happy to see me beat his record."

"I think we should keep beating the records. Maybe in 10 or 20 years someone will beat my record. Nothing is impossible, but it will be hard.".......[ CR7 in sky sports]


That's how players of "timber and calibre" state their ambitions!

there's a difference between a professional athlete and a fat cow bent on draining funds from his club.

ronaldo is the greatest!

Cooger!..if na offend Rooney offend u abeg forgive am nah.. No be hin fault. na Van Gaal dey play am nah...

Hope nothing dey personnal btw cooger and Captain rooney.... If he offend u abeg forgive him oo
wonder how he will feel if he dey NL

We should beat West Brom....Should.

funlord:
. Rooneys Mates;

'Ronaldo now holds all the records in Spain, with more club goals, more La Liga goals than messi and more recently Ronaldo surpassed Messi with more goals in the Champions League.'

Ronaldo further said:

"People compare us all the time and it's normal because we are compared since we are babies.
"I don't mean me and Messi but all the persons
at school. Who is faster? Who is cleverer? It's
part of life. It doesn't surprise me but
sometimes it makes me tired. He works unbelievably, and he's a fantastic professional. To beat him it's great and I know that he feels happy to see me beat his record."

"I think we should keep beating the records. Maybe in 10 or 20 years someone will beat my record. Nothing is impossible, but it will be hard.".......[ CR7 in sky sports]


That's how players of "timber and calibre" state their ambitions!

Seriously y all these stuffs about Rooney? is it a sin to be bettered by Ronaldo and Messi?
Rooney is United and England's all time scorer.....
That is Phenomenal on every level......

After Forcing him to play with a very bad injury when he was at his peak against Bayern... It has backfired....

Only United fans don't respect him,Rival fans adore him.....
Sir Rooney

Mourinholic:

Seriously y all these stuffs about Rooney? is it a sin to be bettered by Ronaldo and Messi?
Rooney is United and England's all time scorer.....
That is Phenomenal on every level......

After Forcing him to play with a very bad injury when he was at his peak against Bayern... It has backfired....

Only United fans don't respect him,Rival fans adore him.....
Sir Rooney

Rooney is United's all time goal scorer?? Are u tying to troll??

Mourinholic:

Seriously y all these stuffs about Rooney? is it a sin to be bettered by Ronaldo and Messi?
Rooney is United and England's all time scorer.....
That is Phenomenal on every level......

After Forcing him to play with a very bad injury when he was at his peak against Bayern... It has backfired....

Only United fans don't respect him,Rival fans adore him.....
Sir Rooney

united fans respect only those he doesnt give a bloody Bleep about that hate him, ronaldo for all his goals has just one la liga trophy, has won nothing for his country at any level, he should be winning la liga every year with the amount he was bought for and the team he plays for.

funlord:
. Rooneys Mates;

'Ronaldo now holds all the records in Spain, with more club goals, more La Liga goals than messi and more recently Ronaldo surpassed Messi with more goals in the Champions League.'

All the records in spain? Which record abeg?
Messi is La Liga All-time top scorer.

Please stop passing wrong information