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| Re: The Story Of Atheism by hahn(m): 7:59pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Olodo an him you be  . Do you realize that the guy in the pic was actually the winner?  This is NOT a fight but a discussion. It is not even an argument  But I understand your usual clownish way. I bet even Jesus amuses you 3 Likes |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 8:01pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
hahn:N ice one but too long 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by hahn(m): 8:03pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
menesheh:Lol. Na the guy cause am |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Shollyps(m): 8:09pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
hahn:mr Hahn..na you type all this? |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by hahn(m): 8:12pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
Shollyps:Na the guy start am I even had to leave my primates of the caribbean I was watching  |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 8:22pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
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| Re: The Story Of Atheism by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:30pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
hahn:I presented it as you being cleared to continue the fight This is NOT a fight but a discussion. It is not even an argumentYou guys have conflicting views and all your opinions are pertinent so it is But I understand your usual clownish way.  I bet even Jesus amuses youHe is the source of true joy and happiness |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 8:51pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
Fadman4real Firstly, this post has nothing to do with atheism as the title of your post goes. Science is advancing and you are serious beneficiary of such advancement. How can you possibly attempt to sell an invisible commodity by cooking up all sort of defenses so that it will look believable. Scientific advancement in robotics, genetics, Synthetic genomics have nothing in common with bronze age substitution. Whenever you wanted to open a thread on science , go to the appropriate section and do that. Not trying to coin two opposing stuffs in order to make a point. 1 Like |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by freecocoa(f): 9:18pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Any sound mind will question it. I'm sorry to sound that way but it's true. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:21pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
freecocoa:I think my statement is coherent enough . |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by freecocoa(f): 9:23pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
UyiIredia:There's no sense whatsoever in it, it's a figurative/fictional story set in the future with a barbaric ending as judgement for committing no crime, how does it make sense? 1 Like |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:24pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
menesheh:smh The way you guys mention fields in science like you have have any understanding of it . I'm sure you know nothing of robotics but yet it is supposed to mean God does not exist right ? |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by freecocoa(f): 9:24pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:It is of course, but it doesn't change the fact. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by freecocoa(f): 9:28pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
plaetton:True that, it just gets kinda sad to see people this way sometimes. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by UyiIredia(m): 9:28pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
freecocoa:Take #200 to go back to house. Bye bye. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:31pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
freecocoa:It is easy for theorists to assert God does not exist but when you try to replicate intelligence and complexity as they exist in nature , you'd find out that it is a precarious assumption . Robotics actually mock the belief in the non existence of a creator |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by freecocoa(f): 9:37pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
UyiIredia:Its really a shame. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by CoolUsername: 9:42pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
In your analogy, you said that the humans don't interfere with the robots' lives. Isn't it foolish for the humans to expect the robots to believe that they exist? |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by menesheh(m): 9:47pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:whats your point? |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:59pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
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| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Fadman4real(op): 10:57pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
hahn:Wow thats great, how would I have known that it was biology that brought you to life. I thought the difference between men and animals is that we ask questions while animals just accept the truth. In your previous response you said we are inherently inquisitive in nature which means that is the reason why we are intelligent. We ask questions about how we came to be, who created the world etc. Governments spend millions of quid every now and then to discover the origin of mankind. If that was not needed then there would be no need to spend such amounts, You intend to build a great family legacy and run a buisness empire, your story sounds like the parable of the rich fool in the bible. The rich fool made a lot of money and was planning to improve on his empire when his world came crashing and he died. That was the end of everything he created in life. The book of proverbs says that what is the essence of gathering wealth when you do not know who is going to inherit it whether it is going to be a wise man or a foolish man and all your wealth would be lost. By the way when you die would you be buried with your wealth, everything you worked for is gone you would leave it here. Then how would it be when you die and find out that the bible is the truth and everything written in it is true how sad would that be at the end of the day. I want to help you to discover the truth before it is too late. Would you like it if i allowed you to eat a poisonous fruit even when i know about the poison. Do not be lazy try and discover the truth of God. Well, I am not the only one that disagrees with you. Over 4,000 other religions disagree and say you are lying while a select few even say you will go to hell fire for believing in Jesus. The question of who is right of wrong can be debated among yourselves. I am of the opinion that you are all wrong.James 1:27 says that religion that is “pure and faultless” before God is “to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” In other words, care for the needy and personal virtue are externals which are present when one has a true love for God. And, since James specifies that he is speaking of “pure and faultless” religion, there must exist an “unclean and imperfect” type of religion as well—a religion not based on love for God. There are many roads that leads to destruction and perdition but there is only one road that leads to Life and that is Jesus Christ. Other religions try to impose things on you, rithes you must do but christianity is much more than that. We have sinfully wandered away from God (Isaiah 53:6), and we need a Guide to lead us back. Jesus is that Way (John 14:6), the One to seek the lost (Luke 19:10). Jesus claims not to be one of many ways, but the one-and-only Way to God. That was the reason why Jesus Christ said that we should go and carry the message of salvation to all nations and people so that they may come to God. Lol. The bible is NOT consistent. There are lot of different versions of the bible and more than 2,000, at least, versions of Christianity. This is a perfect evidence of confusion sir. Do you have any proof that the bible was actually written by the disciples? The bible stories were re-written by unknown authors and a lot of books were removed from the bible to give you the one you read today, minus the different variations. You really need to read more about your religion. Even the "Jesus" character is not real and the picture you guys serve is actually Cesare Borgia.First of all I don't serve a picture, I am not a catholic, according to the scriptures "Thou shall not make any graven image of anything in heaven or on earth" Exo 20:4. That is the reason why you would never see any image of Moses among the Jews. There are two primary reasons for the different English Bible versions. (1) Over time, the English language changes/develops, making updates to an English version necessary. If a modern reader were to pick up a 1611 King James Version of the Bible, he would find it to be virtually unreadable. Everything from the spelling, to syntax, to grammar, to phraseology is very different. Linguists state that the English language has changed more in the past 400 years than the Greek language has changed in the past 2,000 years. Several times in church history, believers have gotten “used” to a particular Bible version and become fiercely loyal to it, resisting any attempts to update/revise it. This occurred with the Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate, and more recently, the King James Version. Fierce loyalty to a particular version of the Bible is illogical and counterproductive. When the Bible was written, it was written in the common language of the people at that time. When the Bible is translated, it should be translated into how a people/language group speaks/reads at that time, not how it spoke hundreds of years ago. (2) There are different translation methodologies for how to best render the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek into English. Some Bible versions translate as literally (word-for-word) as possible, commonly known as formal equivalence. Some Bible versions translate less literally, in more of a thought-for-thought method, commonly known as dynamic equivalence. All of the different English Bible versions are at different points of the formal equivalence vs. dynamic equivalence spectrum. The New American Standard Bible and the King James Version would be to the far end of the formal equivalence side, while paraphrases such as The Living Bible and The Message would be to the far end of the dynamic equivalence side. The picture could be Obama's I don't care cause when I look to Jesus for salvation I don't look towards a picture but I look to God from my heart. We true christians worship God in spirit and in truth. Atheists do not believe Jesus Christ existed which really baffles me, If Jesus Christ never existed then how come he is the most popular name in the world even after 2000 years that it was said he existed, can you give me a similar story of someone who never existed and is worshiped world wide even his enemies are creating a career attacking him. It is better you face the truth and learn about Jesus Christ because if you keep doubting his existence you are only setting yourself up for failure. Lol. The "fear" card won't work on me. The Muslims also say you'll go to hell for believing in Jesus. Good luck with that. The Jesus story will eventually die away like every other belief of it's kind. Just as no one believes in Zeus or Amadioha, some people still do, the same will eventually apply to Jesus.Hahahahahahaha I laugh in spanish, people have said that centuries before you were born and are dead today with no relevance in the society yet the name of Jesus remains. Do you know how many christians have been crucified and are still being crucified today for the message of Christ and yet the message waxes stronger. Take for instance China, many christians were killed and sent to prison in other to reduce the spread of christianity yet today there are many more christians and it is growing rapidly in china. There are people that give their lives to christ without even having a christian preach to them, do not let the devil deceive you Christianity and the message of Christ would continue to expand till his second coming which would be seen by everyone including you (if christ tarries). Then you would search for this message but you would not find it. As for the story of his existence I would use historical terms and not biblical terms to explain this, possibly I plan to do more research and create a thread on it. Let me leave you with this food for thought There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie. Product of wishful thinking. You can't bear the fact that when you die, that's it. I'd advice you create something to represent you after your death. Steve Jobs is still remembered today even in death. What will you be remembered for? I believe this is a more profound question than where am I going to when I'm dead.How does that help Steve Jobs, that i remember him for his Iphone, etc. Please don't get me wrong, I am not saying Steve Jobs is not a great man, I am a computer scientist, he is one of my heroes. No matter how many people cry on your graveyard and how many night vigils they hold for you, you would decay the same way a hobo would, there is no difference in that. People remembering your achievements doesn't help you in any way, you could even after creating everything die a wretched man look at one of my heroes Nikolai Tesla. How do you know that when you die that is it? Do you have any proof to your claim? Since the beginning of time men have been trying to understand what happens when they die and that is actually the strongest point of christianity to other religions. Jesus Christ would have either been the true son of God or a failure to have said he was going to die and rise up on the third day. If he didnt rise up his disciples would have scattered as many others who have been saying they would die and rise, you can check the net for more details. The only way christianity would have been able to maintain his position and drive forward is for Him to have risen which the disciples witnessed and were able to share the truth with other people and today the truth is been shared with you. Laws were created by men not god. Do you have any picture of god giving any laws? Was god involved with making gay marriage legal in the countries that legalized it?You didnt understand my point there I talked of the laws of nature that scientists discovered or do you think they invented those laws or those laws just came to be by physics just as your point on biology. Do you have any picture or video of your brain working? So then how do you know it is working or you are not been remotely controlled from somewhere or it is your hand that is doing the thinking for you? Our conscience is the spirit of God in us and it helps us to learn about the things that are right and what God wants us to do. We have the freewill to choose to accept it or not. Why would God be involved with legalizing gay marriage when he created us male and female, if everyone was gay before the advancement of science then humanity would not exist. I do not want to digress this discussion further. Everyone is born an atheist until someone starts lying to them. Even YOU. If you were born in the Iran or Iraq you most likely would have been a muslim. Your religious beliefs are only as a result of the society you found yourself in or a repetition of your parents belief.So how come there are 4000 religions that you have been talking about. When I came to this world I asked a lot of questions from my parents like how did were we created, etc. My dad's response was evolution, my mum was about a creator, I came to know Jesus when my inquisitive mind as a child made me to read the bible and I fell instantly in love with Jesus and made him my friend, since then I have not been a good friend to him yet He has still loved me and helped me to come back to him. You should try it, ask Jesus to come into your life and become your friend and witness the hand of God in your life, but if you like keep saying that he is imaginary etc just as your future plans until they come to pass. The day you find out that he is not imaginary and he is real, I hope it would not be too late for you. I can guarantee you that if you read the quran or any other religious text as blindly as you did with the bible and BELIEVE it you will also be defending it.Probably, I guess but as they say we would never know. There is a word I live by "If you fail you did not just fail for yourself but you have failed a lot of people that are supposed to benefit from you". Let me explain, how would the world have been if the person that supposed to discover fire, was playing around when he should be working, If the person who discovered books was busy chasing ladies up and down, If Newton, Phytagoras etc. were busy gambling. The reason why God gave me the privilledge to know the truth of his message is so that I could share it with unbelievers like you and hopefully save you from the chains of sin and death an invite you to the feast of God. Nah, it is not the same thing. You don't need faith to know that a human is chatting with you. Unless of course, you agree that the same way you have faith in the bible that makes it the truth is all that is required for a muslim to believe in the quran. Then that would also be the truth. Who then is lying?Seriously, where have you been? Do you know anything about A.I. we are advancing in computer science and have created robots that could chat like a human being. So, yes you could be a robot though I don't think we have advanced to a level of creating a response like yours.  I do not like to talk about other religions, because to me christianity is more than just a religion it is a way of life. Jesus asks for nothing more than to just believe in him and you would be saved. He is the only way to God, He is the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the father except through him. Think deep for a second. You believe in your god and that brings you peace. That is nice. The muslim believes in allah and that brings them peace. Other theists have strong faith in their beliefs and they also feel peace. I don't believe in any of them and I also have peace of mind.It doesnt make my belief a fact the same way it doesnt make your unbelief a fact. Your points against God is far from being valid, from what you have been saying I figure out some things about you. 1. That you believe there is no need for you to worship God as it would only deter you from achieving your dream. 2. That you do not want this message of God to be true therefore you do not care to find out the truth but insist that it is a lie. 3. You see religion as a burden. All these points do not change the truth, I endeavor you to start searching for the truth, firstly start with confirming if Jesus truly existed, you could search through historical evidence, psychological evidences etc. I am a businessman myself and I understand that without sufficient supply, profit will be limitedThank God you do. ask yourself this can there be an invention without the inventor? Considering the fact that this Jesus character isn't even real then it is only obvious that the men who decided to come up with the story only needed a way to excuse god's incompetence. If god cannot ease my suffering or pain, what exactly do I need him for? The everlasting pain and suffering story is only threat used to put people who are gullible and don't have independent basis of morality stay in check. If god couldn't successfully heal common malaria that N100 Amalar can cure, what exactly can he do?How exactly do I approach this since you claim Jesus character is not real despite the historical evidence even among the people who do not believe him as the messiah. Who told you God cannot ease your suffering and pain, Jesus said come unto me ye that are heavy laden and I would give thee rest. There are a lot of miracles today of God transforming the lives of people who the world deemed as complete and total unredeemable. You can google for true christian miracles that transform the hearts of people and saved their lives. Jesus raised people from the dead, he healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, he healed lepers etc. there was no disease Jesus Christ did not heal when he was on the earth. By the way you are not a scientist so you might not know this but it is not the amala that cures your malaria, if i may add but it is our body system, our white blood cells that do the curing the amala just gives the white blood cells inspiration to do the curing. This is why AIDS is very dangerous not because it kills but because it destroys our immunity allowing a small malaria enuf room to do damage.Lol. Why should I be scared of something I don't believe in? That "hell" story is only to keep you gullible folks running back to church to pay your tithes so as to enable your pastor feed his family and live his flashy lifeAs i said before your unbelieve does not make God not to exist either. I never said because I believe you too should believe, I only asked you to search for the truth. Kai! And you believe this story? This is obviously nothing more than a fable.Near death experiences is different from total death experience, I am yet to hear of a muslim been confirmed as dead to rise and then say stories of what he saw when he died. Been in coma or clinically dead doesnt mean the person is really dead. Coma is like when you sleep, when you sleep you either have dreams or you see nothing it does not mean you are dead. Jesus Christ is the only one among other religious founders that his followers claim is not dead but is still alive today that is why most atheists like you find it convenient to say he never existed. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Fadman4real(op): 11:07pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
menesheh:Do you know that great scientists like Pascal, Faraday, Eistein all believed in God. My post never attacked science, I have nothing against science, I actually love science cause it helps me to appreciate the power and might of God himself. Whenever you wanted to open a thread on science , go to the appropriate section and do that. Not trying to coin two opposing stuffs in order to make a point.This is not a story of science, I am only using the above fictious story to explain the life of atheists and their way of life philosophically. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Fadman4real(op): 11:14pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
freecocoa:I see you can talk now. You are very right it is a fictious story but you do not understand the story, the robots where created with inbuilt knowledge about their God, their forefathers before them had visions of their creators and gave them books to understand, their crime was simple they failed to believe it and rather invent a lie to hold unto. The energy particle they were meant to create to help them sustain their world was not created so their creators could not help them and when they discovered by probably the creators finally showing themselves. It was too little to late for them. They therefore destroyed themselves. God is asking you to just believe in Jesus Christ to save you from your sins and that is all, yet you consider that too dificult for you to do. Everyday you eat, take your bathe, etc. to take care of your body and to live for another day so how come believing in God and having eternal life is so difficult for you to do. It is not God that sends unbelievers to hell but it is unbelievers themselves, you have the truth with you but you refuse to believe it as you would rather believe a lie. No matter how you paint a lie, it would remain a lie, you cant save yourself dear, only Jesus can save you. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Nobody: 11:29pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
Fadman4real:I still don't understand how you speak for your god so much. This is the age of information. This is time for your god to inspire a book and do those signs and wonder. Why did your god chose to reveal itself to cave men,cattle rears and fisher men? What is wrong with coming down to give those laws? When you ask a girl out and she says no,you need to back off. Your god will get you guys killed by asking you to keep bothering people that he loves us. If your god loves me,he need to come tell me himself. Is your god shy or what? 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by dalaman: 11:46pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
Fadman4real:Name one christian that has been confirmed dead for two days , who woke up and told people stories of heaven. By the way, why are christians always giving different and conflicting stories about this heaven and tge after life of theirs? Some will tell you they died and God showed them people burning in fire, while others will tell you that they died and God showed them people that were separated from him living in a dark place, not a fiery place. The description of the so called heaven varies greatly , some claim people are allowed to marry their earthly spouses, others say its not allowed, some claim they even saw the bible there in heaven. The question is which bible did they see? Is it the Catholic bible with its 72 books , the protestant bible with its 66 books, the Greek orthodox bible or the Ethiopian bible with its 68 books. Which bible did they see in heaven out of the many types? 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Fadman4real(op): 8:08am On Nov 09, 2015 |
ifeness:God would surely show you his glory when he comes back to take the elect but then it would be too late for you. You would search for this message and you wouldn't find it. There are a million and one Christian books that are inspired by the holy spirit look for some and read it with an inquisitive mind, I pray it leads you to the truth and the bible contains the word of God and it us the most inspired book in the world. It is one of the oldest and yet most popular books. The bible says that God does not reveal himself to proud and stubborn hearts but rather to humble hearts. Jesus Christ was born of a lowly background yet 2000 years after his name is greater than any other name in the world whether you like it or not. If you humble yourself to him God would reveal himself to you and you would have a new beginning. When you ask a girl out and she says no,you need to back off. Your god will get you guys killed by asking you to keep bothering people that he loves us. If your god loves me,he need to come tell me himself. Is your god shy or what?It is because he loves you that is why we are having this discussion, we have been getting killed since time memorial. Jesus told us that we would be persecuted for his name and because we tell the truth but that we should be glad because he has defeated the world. I am not scared of dying because I know that we would all die one day and we have no idea when we would die. The only fear I have is what I would face after death which is why I work my salvation out in other that I may be found worthy of his glory. This may sound like gibberish to you, but how can you know what you fail to understand. Shalom |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Fadman4real(op): 8:15am On Nov 09, 2015 |
dalaman:I don't want to derail this thread, you can always search on google. If we both saw an elephant for the first time our descriptions would be different because we are different human beings. I don't know the bible that is in heaven but I know the words of Jesus in my bible are the truth and life. The bible in heaven would contain the words of Jesus which I live by and those are the words every one of us would be judged with. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by dalaman: 9:01am On Nov 09, 2015 |
Fadman4real:There is nothing like that on google, no christian has ever been pronounced dead for two days came back to life and said he saw anything, most just lie in order to either sell books or become famous. If you read their books many of which I have read you will know that they are all telling lies because they each describe heaven and the Jesus they saw very differently. 1 Like |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Nobody: 10:02am On Nov 09, 2015 |
Fadman4real:It doesn't only sound gibberish,it is gibberish! Show me a picture of the god you are trying to sell at least, That will show how good a sales man you are. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Fadman4real(op): 10:36am On Nov 09, 2015 |
ifeness:The bible says clearly that we should not make any image of anything in heaven or on earth. So I can't have an image of God. God expects to be worshipped in spirit and in truth, you believe man is a spirit can you show me a picture of your spirit? I am not a salesman, I am only helping you to discover the truth. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. I would soon post a thread talking about historical and psychological proof of Jesus Christ existence. Hope to see you there, may God protect us till then. |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Remilekun101: 10:39am On Nov 09, 2015 |
freecocoa:What is a sound mind |
| Re: The Story Of Atheism by Fadman4real(op): 10:44am On Nov 09, 2015 |
dalaman:I explained previously that we see things differently and explain them differently, it doesn't mean we are lying. Of course some of them could be lying, it is a mistake to trust humans. We have the good, the bad and the ugly among us and religion doesn't make all of us different except we choose to. Rather than reading books of heaven and hell why not read the words of Jesus to learn about him before learning about judgement. You cant start reading the last chapter of a book and expect to learn everything about it. |
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