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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:09pm On Nov 16, 2015
WIZGUY69:
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Let's meet in another thread!
Let me see what you are capable of.
Dalu


Maaaaaan! Why do you keep bringing this guy back? You don't have to reply
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 9:10pm On Nov 16, 2015
Katsumoto:


What is the first step to be taken when there is a situation that requires change? According to most management books, you must create a sense of urgency by informing stakeholders of the dark consequences of inaction. The reason why there is usually political backlash is because these governors aren't sincere or competent enough. When you have fired civil servants, what have the savings being spent on? Fayemi was going about like an intellectual without actually doing anything and that's why he lost to a thug who promised 'stomach infrastructure'. Lets assume that Fayemi lost the election because he attempted to reduce the civil service, what else did Fayemi provide in Ekiti that could have helped him win the election? Serious politicians know when to make difficult choices. Thatcher is hated till today in the North of England because she closed mines that were no longer profitable and sustainable. The mines were draining the resources of the country that had taken IMF loans. Look at the turnaround in California by Jerry Brown; California was on the verge of bankruptcy before Brown saved the state with hard choices.

Before you lay workers, you must have a plan with regards to what you will do with the savings which will concomitantly improve the standard of living of people in your state. No politician is going to be liked by everyone but the key is to be liked and accepted by a majority of your stakeholders. If you have no plan for savings from retrenchment exercises and you lay people off, or if you misuse or embezzle the savings then you will lose the election. Governors don't connect with their stakeholders, they are so distant. What happened to sensitizing the populace through a series of town hall meetings to spell out the choices to stakeholders? The only time citizens see their governors or reps is at election time.

Lets assume your yearly expenditure on the civil service is N500BN. Over 4 years, that is N2T. If you lay 50% off and provide redundancy payments, it is possible to save as much as N1T even after making redundancy payments. You can spend the savings on policies that are geared towards economic activity such as good infrastructure, soft loans, cooperatives, IPP, etc Fayemi signed a contract with Samsung for the training of Ekiti youth but didn't provide a location for the said training. Instead Fayose came in and didn't honour the agreement with Samsung. What a bunch of dullards.

Naija governors don't know their strengths and weaknesses. They can't appoint competent assistants. Nepotism and cronyism remain huge barriers to development in Naija.

I havent lived in EKiti nor been there in over a decade. I can only go by what I see in the news and what I hear in the news is that Fayemi spent a lot on road and instructures

[size=15pt]He inherited a debt of 42 billion naira and many abandoned projects from his predecessor. The state ran on a paltry 109 million naira in Internally Generated Revenue and a meagre 2.5 billion naira monthly allocation from the federation’s account out of which 2 billion is expended on salaries and allowances.[/size]

But with careful planning, prudent management of resources and an avowed commitment to the welfare of the people, JKF has been able to deliver the dividends of democracy on a scale and quality that are unprecedented. In three years, Governor Fayemi has turned Ekiti State into a huge construction site.

The nooks and crannies of the state are literally filled with projects – completed, on-going and State Assisted Community projects as the case may be.

The change in the landscape is such that discerning observers say that JKF has done far more than all the governors of Ekiti State did in the 8 years preceding his administration.

He increased IGR from 109 million naira each month to 600 million naira by only blocking wastages. His method is novel and his style is inviting and fascinating. He is the first governor in the country to embark on a village square meeting for the sole purpose of knowing what each community in his state wanted government to include in (and, hence, what to exclude from) the budget.

He started this in November 2011 when he undertook the tour of all the local governments where every town sent a representative to ask for at least three projects each community would like to be incorporated in the 2012 budget. At each meeting, he promised the towns that, at least one project would be granted for each town in the budget.

This promise has been fulfilled as every town has at least a project either completed or on-going. Among the most common have been requests for provision of pipe-borne water and boreholes, supply of transformers and repair of school buildings and fixtures.

Indeed, a total of 183 secondary schools and 836 primary schools have been renovated and furniture provided; there is free education up to secondary school level while tuition fees were drastically reduced in the State University; 48, 000 laptops were distributed to students and teachers in Ekiti State while an additional 25,000 has been ordered

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/ekiti-the-kayode-fayemi-administration-in-perspective-october-16-2010-october-2013-/161435/

This is from thisday a PDP sympathetic paper
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by XBLadez: 9:10pm On Nov 16, 2015
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WIZGUY69:


Let's meet in another thread!
Let me see what you are capable of.
Dalu
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Why not this one? wink

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:11pm On Nov 16, 2015
raumdeuter:


Osun is one of the most attractive destination due to the festival.

If the tallest drum is included in a package E.g a $100 package that would take you to Osun river side, the tallest drum, Nike art Gallery, Learn basic Ifa divination by Yemi Elebuibon, Join the troupe to dance Bata and learn the drum, add 5 more attactions to it and charge an amount for it.

Also they can maximize it by promoting another Festival in January e.g Obatala which isnt as popular as Osun Festival that would attract 30-40% of the rgular Osun crowd

No one is arguing the fact that Osun has potential. Environmentally and culturally.

Egbon, if they tell you the price of that drum you sef go faint.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:11pm On Nov 16, 2015
XBLadez:
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Why not this one? wink


We're very sorry Sir

May Chukwu Okike Abiama in his infinite mercy bless you
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:12pm On Nov 16, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:

Maaaaaan! Why do you keep bringing this guy back? You don't have to reply

What happened to "Tourism with Kakanfo"?

I created some of the illustrations. I need you start your tourism so that I can get more ideas.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by XBLadez: 9:12pm On Nov 16, 2015
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IlekeHD:


No one is arguing the fact that Osun has potential. Environmentally and culturally.

Egbon, if they tell you the price of that drum you sef go faint.
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It's not that expensive. I priced it at Onitsha market last week

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:14pm On Nov 16, 2015
IlekeHD:


What happened to "Tourism with Kakanfo"?

I created some of the illustrations. I need you start your tourism so that I can get more ideas.

Mo ti gbo

E kon fa mi pada wa si bi bayi ni grin grin cheesy
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by XBLadez: 9:14pm On Nov 16, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:



We're very sorry Sir

May Chukwu Okike Abiama in his infinite mercy bless you
No. Tell your sister to stop jumping into Igbo threads. No problem with bashing us at front page. I have nothing against you

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:14pm On Nov 16, 2015
WIZGUY69:
Akure!

Look at the road markings grin grin E be like say the person was drunk. grin
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by XBLadez: 9:16pm On Nov 16, 2015
IlekeHD:


Look at the road markings grin grin E be like say the person was drunk. grin
Yeah, it resembles your tribal marks grin
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:16pm On Nov 16, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:


Mo ti gbo

E kon fa mi pada wa si bi bayi ni grin grin cheesy

You sef your head don blow because I dey wine you. chioor grin

Just come back jor.

Seriously, I need you to do it.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by XBLadez: 9:17pm On Nov 16, 2015
IlekeHD:


You sef your head don blow because I dey wine you. chioor grin

Just come back jor.

Seriously, I need you to do it.
You need him to do it! shocked shocked
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 9:18pm On Nov 16, 2015
theV0ice:


They can't stop employment because some critical staff will age and retire. However the problem will be greatly reduced if the employment process is closely monitored to ensure that those recruited match the actual needs in the particular ministry or MDA.

With time, the redundant staff will age out

Seems I want direct enough..

The reason for the overbloating of the civil service is the culture of politicians sending names with letters/ cards to heads of MDAs or making it a condition for budget approval.

How do you expect these heads to refuse without any backlash?


Nigeria is Effed Up!! lipsrsealed
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 9:19pm On Nov 16, 2015
Katsumoto the reality is different if you have a civil service state. These states were created without any realistic means of survival on their own

I know several people in these states whose rationale for voting the next governor is "He was paying salaries". Fayose has spent almost a yr I havent heard of any project but as long as he pays salaries and doles out stomach infrastructure he would be voted in again

In those places you mentioned there were other places people can get a job, In states like Osun its basically salaries

From yesterday I saw when someone said Jonathan unilaterally increased minimum wage from 10k to 18K without consulting those who would pay. The SW states initally rejected but they were put on the blast by the populace that is "Bauchi not paying, Is Akwai-Ibom not paying Is Kogi not paying".

SOmeone retorted that is SW the only state where it was increased but you have forgotten that SW has more native and imprted civil servant than any region

You cant compare a state with 1M civil servants to a state with 50,000 civil servants in terms of impact of the minimum wage

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by XBLadez: 9:21pm On Nov 16, 2015
Hmm! I love this! Our Anambra bLodas would never put their heads down with us like this smiley smiley
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 9:28pm On Nov 16, 2015
jstbeinhonest:



They should simply retire those above 50 and explain why.Those who got voted out prolly didn't perform well,trust me if fash tried that in lag,he'll still get re elected.

Lagos isnt as civil service dependent as Osun or Ekiti

How many people do you know in Lagos that work for the govt vs a State like Ekiti
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Osomalo(m): 9:32pm On Nov 16, 2015
jstbeinhonest:



SW govs and loans sha....

More loans again?

Dem take loans swear for our visionless governors ni?

I don tire mehn, o ti sun mi jarey.

Loan Loan Shaaaaaa




Orobokibo applied for 10bn loan which has been approved. He wants to continue where Fashola stopped. Lord save us.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:32pm On Nov 16, 2015
If I'm getting the meaning of civil servants correct, how can a state depend mostly on civil salary?

I'm trying to think of a developed country with the same concept.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:34pm On Nov 16, 2015
WIZGUY69:
Akure!

I have to say though, I like Ondo/Osun roads.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by theV0ice: 9:36pm On Nov 16, 2015
modath:


Seems I want direct enough..

The reason for the overbloating of the civil service is the culture of politicians sending names with letters/ cards to heads of MDAs or making it a condition for budget approval.

How do you expect these heads to refuse without any backlash?


Nigeria is Effed Up!! lipsrsealed

Ki olorun o gba wa ni yen o cry

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:37pm On Nov 16, 2015
raumdeuter:
Katsumoto the reality is different if you have a civil service state. These states were created without any realistic means of survival on their own

I know several people in these states whose rationale for voting the next governor is "He was paying salaries". Fayose has spent almost a yr I havent heard of any project but as long as he pays salaries and doles out stomach infrastructure he would be voted in again

In those places you mentioned there were other places people can get a job, In states like Osun its basically salaries

From yesterday I saw when someone said Jonathan unilaterally increased minimum wage from 10k to 18K without consulting those who would pay. The SW states initally rejected but they were put on the blast by the populace that is "Bauchi not paying, Is Akwai-Ibom not paying Is Kogi not paying".

SOmeone retorted that is SW the only state where it was increased but you have forgotten that SW has more native and imprted civil servant than any region

You cant compare a state with 1M civil servants to a state with 50,000 civil servants in terms of impact of the minimum wage

Why then do governors use the civil service for political gain? Aren't civil servants mandated to attend political rallies?

Why then do these guys aspire to office if they knew off the issues before hand? Why not kill your personal ambition and work with others towards finding a lasting solution? Nigerian citizens are too used to excuses. Administrators are always making excuses.

If you don't know the issues bedevilling your state, don't aspire for office.
If you know the issues but don't have any solutions, don't aspire for office.
But seeking and gaining office, you are simply wasting precious time.
Governors can't do anything with free Oil money; how the hell will Nigeria survive once Oil dries up or once these clever Japanese or germans develop a battery that is light and longlasting? Precious time is being wasted.

That is my position.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:40pm On Nov 16, 2015
raumdeuter:


I havent lived in EKiti nor been there in over a decade. I can only go by what I see in the news and what I hear in the news is that Fayemi spent a lot on road and instructures



http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/ekiti-the-kayode-fayemi-administration-in-perspective-october-16-2010-october-2013-/161435/

This is from thisday a PDP sympathetic paper

I am sorry but I don't trust write-ups in Nigerian dailies because Nigerian journalists have been corrupted. I prefer to review stats that are provided for all states. The feedback from Ekiti is that Fayemi did mess all. And that would explain why he lost to a man with the worst ideas.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:43pm On Nov 16, 2015
modath:


It's in jest, who doesn't like a quick buck?

Wish they were more SME friendly though!!


grin grin grin grin

Nigerian banks can't be SME friendly because
1. They are/were making so much money from the government
2. The environment is conducive for it with high inflation and excess liquidity in circulation.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:47pm On Nov 16, 2015
Katsumoto:


I am sorry but I don't trust write-ups in Nigerian dailies because Nigerian journalists have been corrupted. I prefer to review stats that are provided for all states. The feedback from Ekiti is that Fayemi did mess all. And that would explain why he lost to a man with the worst ideas.

And you think those facts aren't corrupted?
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 9:52pm On Nov 16, 2015
Katsumoto:


Why then do governors use the civil service for political gain? Aren't civil servants mandated to attend political rallies?

Why then do these guys aspire to office if they knew off the issues before hand? Why not kill your personal ambition and work with others towards finding a lasting solution? Nigerian citizens are too used to excuses. Administrators are always making excuses.

If you don't know the issues bedevilling your state, don't aspire for office.
If you know the issues but don't have any solutions, don't aspire for office.
But seeking and gaining office, you are simply wasting precious time.
Governors can't do anything with free Oil money; how the hell will Nigeria survive once Oil dries up or once these clever Japanese or germans develop a battery that is light and longlasting? Precious time is being wasted.

That is my position.

People human all have ambitions and most people are ready to do anything to get to that ambition. It happens all over the world

When interviewing for a job, How many people tell the whole truth about their background? When going for visa interviews, how many people tell the whole truth?

You have to tell people what they want to hear before they vote you into office

In the US right now, The bastion of modern democracy. there are 16 republicans and 3 democrats. All of them are saying juicy things that electorates want to hear

Democrats: I would increase minimun wage(Low income people), I would grant amnesty and path to citizenship for illegals(Hispanics), I would review our criminal justice (Blacks)

Republicans : I would reduce our debts to zero. I would create jobs, I would make the whole world fear us

One of them would be president, I can guarantee that in 8yrs time the campaign promises would be the same

If you are waiting for a Politician who would tell the absolute truth then you would wait forever

Do you honestly think any Politician would win if he says I would retire 50% of workforce and use the money to develop infrstructure?

I was in Osun State during Akande's regime. He made a compelling argument. Many thinkers agreed with him but he still lost the election because he retired workers to build infrastructure

Whereas if another candidate comes and say I would employ all job seekers in govt minitries.

I can guarantee you that the second politician would win

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:56pm On Nov 16, 2015
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 9:58pm On Nov 16, 2015
Katsumoto:


I am sorry but I don't trust write-ups in Nigerian dailies because Nigerian journalists have been corrupted. I prefer to review stats that are provided for all states. The feedback from Ekiti is that Fayemi did mess all. And that would explain why he lost to a man with the worst ideas.


Elections in Nigeria is different. I really wish some of you are on ground and in touch

How do you think in Oyo State an Akala was able to rule? How do you think in Lagos State an Obanikoro was close to ruling(If not for Tinubu), How do you think in Nigeria Jonathan was able to win an election

So what stats are you reviewing that shows Fayemi for example did nothing in terms of infrastructures in Ekiti?

I know from people on ground that Aregbesola did a lot of road projects in osun, I have heard same about Amosun too whether they are inflated is what I cant say but knowing Africa, It was definitely inflated like 98% of all projects in this continent
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:59pm On Nov 16, 2015
IlekeHD:
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 10:06pm On Nov 16, 2015
IlekeHD:
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O kan gbagbe padi e
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 10:10pm On Nov 16, 2015
Bluetooth2:


O kan gbagbe padi e

Gbagbe e ke?

Why would I mention you if I did? grin

Welcome on board.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 10:10pm On Nov 16, 2015
raumdeuter:


People human all have ambitions and most people are ready to do anything to get to that ambition. It happens all over the world

When interviewing for a job, How many people tell the whole truth about their background? When going for visa interviews, how many people tell the whole truth?

You have to tell people what they want to hear before they vote you into office

In the US right now, The bastion of modern democracy. there are 16 republicans and 3 democrats. All of them are saying juicy things that electorates want to hear

Democrats: I would increase minimun wage(Low income people), I would grant amnesty and path to citizenship for illegals(Hispanics), I would review our criminal justice (Blacks)

Republicans : I would reduce our debts to zero. I would create jobs, I would make the whole world fear us

One of them would be president, I can guarantee that in 8yrs time the campaign promises would be the same

If you are waiting for a Politician who would tell the absolute truth then you would wait forever

Do you honestly think any Politician would win if he says I would retire 50% of workforce and use the money to develop infrstructure?

I was in Osun State during Akande's regime. He made a compelling argument. Many thinkers agreed with him but he still lost the election because he retired workers to build infrastructure

Whereas if another candidate comes and say I would employ all job seekers in govt minitries.

I can guarantee you that the second politician would win

So your position is that these governors should continue to borrow billions to pay salaries??

You continue to overlook my points.

1. Politicians in the US actually deliver which is unlike naija policians
2. The current situation isn't sustainable. We already have several states that can't pay salaries
3. There is wastage, mismanagement and corruption. Eliminating these would free up funds

raumdeuter:

Elections in Nigeria is different. I really wish some of you are on ground and in touch
How do you think in Oyo State an Akala was able to rule? How do you think in Lagos State an Obanikoro was close to ruling(If not for Tinubu), How do you think in Nigeria Jonathan was able to win an election
So what stats are you reviewing that shows Fayemi for example did nothing in terms of infrastructures in Ekiti?
I know from people on ground that Aregbesola did a lot of road projects in osun, I have heard same about Amosun too whether they are inflated is what I cant say but knowing Africa, It was definitely inflated like 98% of all projects in this continent

Nigeria can not progress if things don't change. You can't expect things to improve while expecting the status quo to remain. It is that simple. There is no need to re-invent the wheel. Nigeria need only look at what obtains in developed nations. I don't buy all these 'Nigerian factor' excuses.

Otherwise lets just wait until things get really bad.

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