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| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 11:44pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Hahahaha I saw matured men yarnin ch!t on the thread like jobless women Then we have those who are just running their mouths like tap upon say the matter no concern them I dey laugh  1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by forgiveness: 11:45pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Katsumoto: @bold is true. But after i read the rise and fall of Oyo Empire, Fulani etcetera. I discovered that the only unifying factor for a united Yoruba Nation is when they have a common enemy. Because past histories showed that whenever they were faced with a common enemy then you will see every Yoruba's regardless of where they come from united and puting away old feuds and rivalries to tackle their common enemy e.g after the destruction of Oyo Ile by the Nupes, all Yoruba's came from every quarters to volunteer in Oyo army, they forgot they are Ijebu's, Egba's, Ijesha's etcetera. And the rise of Ibadan(composition of every Yoruba's from Ijebu, Egba, Ijesha, Ekiti, etcetera) to fight against Fulani invation. One of the reason i said from Jebba down to delta state no Yoruba land will be left out. You know what that means right, creating enemies from the North to the East. Then, you can't elude wars. The fears of defeat will surely make us united. All this is if we opt for a Yoruba Nation. Note; I could finish my sentence because my battery energy ran down and i was already in my bed. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 11:47pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
modath: I agree - people will find a way to survive in the short term even if its through praise and worship of politicians. Its just that this is a chicken and egg scenario - which comes first  Why can't Nigerians be more like Eastern Europeans who will lynch their politicians? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 11:50pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Shymm3x: You know i ghost mode when you guys talk about music & i laugh..... I enjoy rap music, what's not to love, the word play, the rhyme, the ones that then have great beats to complement them.... #bliss of course i understand ebonics , that's what you'd see on Sandrarose, bossip, necoleb, ybf, etc but it's a whole different ball game when a semi literate punishes you with it.. *sidebar* ... If you really want to know how wack Ice Prince really is, look for his joint with Sarkodie, you'll almost shed tears for him... It was a bloodbath..  |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 11:52pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Katsumoto: The cry for regionalism/true-federalism by these politicians looks like the boogeyman cos it's not going to happen any time soon. This government already nuked that with the display of tactical/strategic intelligence by the Northern oligarchs in the power tussle. All the institutions in charge of pushing it are already under their control and that's the same region against it. And secession won't happen until either the oil dries up; they discover oil in the North; or there's a big war. So, we need to focus on how we can make the best out of the current quagmire and maximise the little we can get out of it. While also planning for all eventualities. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 11:53pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
modath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzHnNPLWsDQ My best Em diss track 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 11:56pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Katsumoto: Not to forget Eastern Europe had more god-like dictators than most places who the people revered for decades like Tito, Stalin and Ceausescu Some of them were brutally corrupt too and ruled with an iron fists while the populace couldn't even whimper 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 12:01am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Katsumoto: Katz, Let's not forget that it's the hungry party members that are delegates at political parties primaries.... Our politics is too monetized, 99.9% view it as "come & chop" & are quick to denounce with the " nobody holy pass" stance.. Which is why I'm praying for this TSA to work if they will refuse to unbundle this unholy marriage of inconvenience so politicians will have to actually work for votes, Live up to their campaign promises & then earn the trust to be allowed to go further.. 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:01am On Nov 17, 2015 |
modath: Bossip used to be my home. I was on that blog for three years during Uni before they changed the comments link to disqus. Disqus messed up the convos IMO. I ruled bossip with an iron fist and created a legendary status with Glok9 (the ebonics king from Harlem), Sydney (the wordsmith and one of the most intelligent women, if not the most intelligent woman that I've ever had a convo with in cyberspace), and Daywalker the daydream. I won't tell you my username on there but all the old members from my era still remember my legend. I still pop in from time to time to read posts from glok9 and daywalker - these guys always crack me up. Do you know Adeola, the naija chic with massive ti.ts that works for bossip? I messed with Necole Bitchie till she banned my IP cos I told her that Trey Songz hit that. After that, I did change my IP, but I just never bothered with her blog anymore. That was when she first started, way before her blog became the goldmine it's today. And most of the posters on there are females and all they do is gossip, anyway. Ice Prince is wack. I stopped taking the guy seriously when he said his bars are like fish. WTF? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 12:08am On Nov 17, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Mariah & Nick passed their boundary, the guy is real kolomental.. .. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 12:09am On Nov 17, 2015 |
raumdeuter: I am drawing obvious parallels here Communist dictators with Nigerian Military dictators - I don't expect much from the people. My comment is more about democracy; Eastern Europeans demand accountability from their politicians and have gone as far as attacking them. Even in Georgia, the people stormed the presidential palace and the president escaped through the window. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 12:16am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymm3x: If you really want the wrath of Necole, talk sideways about Bey, , I don't post nothing, never even registered on any of the urban blog, just there for the comments... I'm more into Sandrarose though, she is hilarious& hard, her members are also more hilarious & harder.... Lipstickalley is also my alley cos of the Teas... |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:33am On Nov 17, 2015 |
modath: Necole is just too sensitive with prima donna drama. Back in the day, you don't even need to register and log on to post comments on Bossip. Once you post a random email addy there and upload a picture, with a unique username - you're good to go. So every time you come back, once you just write ya username and the email addy linked to it - it will automatically show ya profile. Bossip was somewhat decent back then cos it was during Obama's election...so there were loads of educated AAs and you also had the semi-literate ones as well. And it was a mix of mad history lessons, their experiences, and the significance of Obama's election. It was fun and I'd learn a lot from a lot of folks on there. Then you had threads where folks just crack jokes and talk smack. Bossip used to be the place...but it has changed a lot today cos of quantity over quality. I've never really paid attention to Sandrarose cos of how basic the blog looks, to be honest. Been on YBF. Then I visit allhiphop.com a lot and boxden back when the forum was popping. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 1:30am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Kunle Soname makes history as he becomes first Nigerian to acquire a European football team [img]http://1.bp..com/-XI63wpU8sdM/VhvhM6Sd8_I/AAAAAAAAB8g/w7khDXqaZFQ/s320/Soname-kk-P.76-12-10-2015-Copy.jpg[/img] President of Nigeria National League (NNL) team, Remo Stars Football Club, Kunle Soname, at the weekend became the first Nigerian to own a top European football club by buying Portuguese second division side, Clube Desportivo Feirense. Soname secured 70 percent of the club, which last played in the Portuguese top-flight division in 2011. According to a statement on the club’s website, “Last Friday we effected a transformation of our club through the sale of part of the capital to our new partners, Tavisstock Global Resource Ltd, led by Mr. Kunle Soname. “We wish all the stakeholders the best and believe it will be a lasting partnership that would bring great sporting success to Clube Desportivo Feirense.” Speaking on the take over, Soname said the takeover would impact positively on both his two clubs and Nigerian Football, adding, “It is a great thing to have achieved this. My sincere gratitude to God and everyone involved in the take over process. “Securing Clube Desportivo Feirense was the next step in the right direction for me. I love everything about the club: the organisation, the philosophy and the fans I have no intention of changing anything in the club because I am satisfied with their operations. “Rather, I want to ensure the progress of the club through promotion to the Portuguese Primera division. “Having been involved in Nigerian football over the years by running Remo Stars Football club, I felt it was time to further develop the team. It would also bring benefits for Nigerian football through players transfer, training for officials and administrators, who have proven they have what it takes to succeed in Europe. “I still have my commitment to Remo Stars FC; it is the beginning of all I have achieved in football and I will keep improving the team to get it to the greatest heights. 2 Likes |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 1:38am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Aruna Quadri Makes History  Nigeria table tennis star, Aruna Quadri made history on Wednesday when he became the first African to be crowned World Best Player by World Table Tennis governing body, ITTF, at an award ceremony at the Armani Hotel, Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Quadri, who also took home the Star Point of the Year award, finished above Chinese stars, Xu Xin and Fan Zhendong, the current World Number One and 2014 Youth Olympic Games Gold medalist respectively. European Team Championships winner, Marcos Freitas of Portugal, finished fourth in a poll determined by 50 percent fans’ voting and 50 percent experts’ voting. Quadri capped off a memorable night with the best point of the year after his crucial winning point against Olympics and World Champion, Jan Zhike of China, at the 2014 ITTF World Cup was adjudged the best in the year. Speaking after winning the awards, an ecstatic Quadri praised his opponents and thanked the tennis world for voting for him. “We all deserve this, but I’m just lucky to have won. I thank you all fans for your votes and support! This is the best day of my career and I want to thank the organisers for considering me for this and I promise to continue to work hard,” he said. The 26-year-old enjoyed a meteoric rise in 2014; he put in an eye-catching performance in the Belgium Open, Czech Open and the World Cup. He also led his club side, GD Toledos of Portugal, to two titles. His performances in 2014 saw him leapfrog from 237th to 30th in the latest ITTF World rankings to become highest ranked African table tennis player ever. 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 1:49am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Err...before I hit the sheets, I think we need to discuss the enigma of Tinubu. I shall be back tomorrow to read everyone's submissions. I want to folks to dissect the man, his achievements, his shortcomings, his overbearing influence on Yoruba politics, and if he's the right person to lead Yorubas as we proceed. Or perhaps if we need to go back to the drawing board and start looking for new leaders. Katsumoto Aareonakakanfo Gbawe 9jacrip Ilekeh modath Iyalode Oduastates Zimoni Laudate superstar1 raumdeuter thev0ice ritchiee et al. Time is ticking. Tick tock tick tock. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 2:00am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Tinubu Ahhh where should I start? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 4:42am On Nov 17, 2015 |
An article worth reading.... Editor’s note: Elaborating on his “Nigeria is a zoo” comment, Professor Pius Adesanmi, the Naij.com’s columnist, says Nigerians are the ones creating the favourable environment for the troublemakers to thrive. A young and very patriotic Nigerian contacted me from Japan recently. The volume of messages I receive daily from Nigerian millennials all over the world is one reason I have been unable to just close shop and give up on Fatherland. They are so passionate about their country! Every day, hundreds engage me, privately or publicly, taking me to task over issues relating to our country: why did you write this? what is your take on that? The young man in question took me to task over a statement I have often repeated on Facebook, to wit: “Nigeria is not a zoo because Nnamdi Kanu says so; Nigeria is a zoo because she rewards crime and impunity”. The young man wanted to know if I truly believe that impunity makes Nigeria a zoo or my frequent recourse to that statement is just a way of letting off steam. No, whenever I make this statement, I am not letting off steam. Impunity is what makes Nigeria a zoo, not Nnamdi Kanu’s misguided rhetoric of hate. There are harmful things that Nigerians do to Nigeria in every station of life on a daily basis precisely because they can predict the outcome: lack of consequences. Daily life in Nigeria is a bazaar of nation-ruining actions devoid of consequences. You just do it because you can. Just like that. We are unaware of the enormity of the problem because we think it is limited to politicians and public office-holders. But many Nigerians have country-ruining impunity running as blood in their veins. We have allowed it to become second nature; to define us. DNA tinz. Forgiving Nigerians Professor Osinbajo went to Okene in Kogi state last week and stood on the same podium with Abubakar Audu, his political party’s gubernatorial candidate in the forthcoming elections. For the record, I have condemned that election as a choice between Satan and Lucifer. I don’t want my focus on Audu here to be twisted by any reader into an endorsement of his opponent, Idris Wada of the PDP. I am not endorsing Wada o. Ehen. But let us return to Professor Osinbajo and his buddy, Abubakar Audu. To the extent that the change agenda of the current administration has a professional cum technocrat cum intellectual shining light, it is Professor Osinbajo. In fact, part of the appeal of that team to Nigerians resides in the possibility of President Buhari’s famed integrity combining effortlessly with Professor Osinbajo’s unimpeachable and intimidating credentials as a professor of law, a pastor, and a SAN to deal a death blow to corruption at the practical and symbolic levels. Appointing Magu to head EFCC, blocking leakages here and there, adding more bark to the work of the CCT (hopefully there will be some bite soon) – these are all practical baby steps in the fight against corruption. But so great is the power of symbolism that a thousand practical steps could be destroyed or rolled back with just one symbolic misstep. Abubakar Audu’s corruption history is terrible. No need going into all the sordid details here. Suffice it to say that he still has an ongoing corruption indictment with EFCC to the tune of N11 billion. In any standard democracy, it would have amounted to political suicide for a sitting vice president to publicly cuddle a man indicted by the anti-corruption agency of his own government. It is bad enough that his party settled on such a candidate! Standing with such a man on a podium to raise his hands and do photo-ops is a terrible symbolic blow on the anti-corruption war. Now, why would a man such as Professor Osinbajo do this? Because he knows that he operates in a zoo where politicians pay no political price for such things. Because he will not fall in any polls. Because he does not have to worry about his political future. Because he does not have to worry about the Nigerian media. Not even the activist media I write for, Sahara Reporters and Premium Times, has deemed it necessary to look into this ugly episode. Because his aides don’t even have to worry about how they will spin this episode. Oppressed Nigerians, whose salaries have not been paid, will do the work that Professor Osinbajo’s aides are paid to do. They will argue that Professor Osinbajo was just on a routine party assignment. They will argue that Abubakar Audu has not been convicted in a court of law. They will argue that… well, you know all their usual arguments. You know all their usual rationalizations and justifications. I don’t need to run through them here. Just read the comments section of this piece whenever it is published. Law-abiding Nigerians abroad, Nigerian Nigerians at home Professor Osinbajo is not the only one who doesn’t have to worry about consequences because he functions in Nigeria. Governors Adams Oshiomhole and Olusegun Mimiko are on their way out of office. Before they leave, they are both looking for last-minute loans. Mimiko even tried, as we say in Nigeria. He is looking for a domestic loan of only N7 billion. Unlike Mimiko, Oshiomhole is not a local champion. He does not play in the local league. He is looking for a foreign loan. Maybe too much rainfall is what has been preventing him from traveling abroad to pick up the loan check. Now, why are Oshiomhole and Mimiko taking last-minutes loans — moves that could crash them in polls and have dire consequences for their political future in standard democracies? Because they both know that they can access these loans a day to leaving office, parlay a substantial part of the said loans into juicy retirement packages for themselves, and end up in the Senate where they will hook up with Godswill Akapbio to break traffic rules in irresponsible convoys — and still end up with Nigerians defending them. As civil servants, teachers, pastors, imams, mechanics, market women, students, hair dressers, farmers, traders, the Nigerians defending these guys in the government also produce hundreds of thousands of acts of micro-impunity in every sphere of our national life daily. As for Nigerians in diaspora, they are law-abiding citizens here but they cannot wait to get off the plane in Lagos or Abuja to partake in the festival of impunity. That Nigerian waiting patiently for his turn in the queue in London, Washington, Ottawa, or Paris is just a forming law-abiding citizen. Once he gets off the plane in Nigeria, he is going to try to jump the queue at immigration. If you accost him, he will answer you: “Do you know who I am?” So much for thirty years of life abroad! Pius Adesanmi is a professor of English and African Studies at Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada. In 2010, he was awarded the inaugural Penguin Prize for African Writing. A widely-cited commentator on Nigerian and African affairs, he has lectured in African, European, and North American universities, and also regularly addresses non-academic audiences across Africa. Follow him on Twitter @pius_adesanmi. The views expressed in this article are author’s own and do not necessarily represent the editorial policy of Naij.com. https://www.naij.com/638783-professor-osinbajo-abubakar-audu-zoo-question.html 2 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 8:34am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymm3x: Tinubu is like rain, you don't want it during an outdoor party, you surely do want it during in severe drought.. His stranglehold on the affairs of the SW is inimical to unfettered progress BUT..... He has been the rallying force for the tribe, The champion & anchor of the political fortunes of the yoruba people so it's dicey trying to have a stand.. Unlike Obasanjo, who can never be trusted , You are 150% sure the Yoruba portion he will always fight for... Have a lot , but can't find appropriate words to express.  2 Likes |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Gbawe: 10:41am On Nov 17, 2015 |
modath: What "stranglehold" ? With Tinubu everyone practices 'scapegoatism' because it is populist to do so yet the reality is that the SW , minus Tinubu, would have been overrun by the most evil, most corrupt, most virulent and most anti-people form of politics possible while you and anybody else would not be able to do squat about it. In the UK this phenomenon is recognised. I.e the "build them up to knock them down" mentality most human being host as a subconscious element of their being. Become too successful or too popular and people will start turning against you. If Tinubu does not have a "stranglehold" of SW politics then every State in the region will be led by an OGD, Alao-Akala or a Fayose. There would never, and I mean never, be a chance for individuals like you, who may be erudite and successful, to lead because the grass root champions, with the likes of Adedibu behind them, would always thrash you silly. Tinubu does not have a stranglehold on SW politics. He demystified and dragged it away from malevolent 'strongmen' and made it accessible to technocrats and 'aje butters' at a time when SW politics, to the extent the region got the nickname of the "wild west", used to be about wholesale murder, kidnapping, mayhem and "do or die" politics of who could kill and intimidate the most. The refinement in SW politics today is down to Tinubu and those who know the detailed history of politics in the region will agree with me. This is why I sometimes smile when I read the wanton attack against Tinubu borne of nothing more than mischievous character assassination many have swallowed wholesale and unquestioningly. Can you, as one example, give a fact-based argument to validate your claim that Tinubu has a stranglehold on SW politics that is "inimical" to the regions "unfettered progress" ? Is it really "strangehold" or is it the ugly yet required action of a man who understands that he must act to ensure his region is not a slave of "those who carry guns" (Rev.Ugolor) as was the case in the past? Tinubu's opinion is that as long as SW politics is still about "might is right" imposition then he might as well use his clout to ensure we gain the right sort of leaders and not be slaves to the likes of OBJ, George, Adedibu, Faseun et al !!!! Nature abhors a vacuum. If Tinubu is absent, thus creating a vacuum, history has show the pragmatic and practical Yoruba that it is not Solarin, Soyinka, Fawehinmi et al who can plug that vacuum. It is the likes of OBJ, Adedibu, Fayose, OGD et al who emerge to control SW politics and direction. Tinubu has the right balance of good and bad to help the SW on its march towards progress. He has the goodness to empower the Fashola, Fayemis, Ajimobi et al and the readiness to do the bad/dirty work, that Soyinka et al are incapable of, in the effort to defeat the OBJs, Faseuns, Adams, Adedibus et al a their own game. Minus Tinubu then Soyinka and Fawehinmi, as we have seen first hand, will not/cannot stop OBJ et al getting away with enslaving the SW and miring us in gangster politics. I can tell you all that if Tinubu left today then kiss goodbye to seeing accomplished men and women of ideas in leadership and welcome back the PDP and seeing Fayoses, Obanikoro, Teslim Folarin and Alao-Akalas everywhere because those are the only sort local 'strong man' politics will churn out for you in the SW. Too much sentiments is hosted when Tinubu is mentioned. Let me ask you and others to mention Awolowo-type names that can anchor the Yoruba political direction today if Tinubu is absent. Is it Bode George? Falae? Obanikoro? Or Gani Adams and Faseun, So-called Yoruba leader, who all it took to compromise was pipeline protection contract from GEJ? Who exactly? Adams and Faseun took money to sell Yorubas and Nigeria into GEJ slavery for 4 more years while Tinubu, fom 2011 to 2015, gave his all uncompromisingly, once he set his mind on it, to remove the menace of GEJ that would have destroyed Nigeria. [size=14pt]Could Tinubu not have accepted more billions of dollars than he is worth today to assist GEJ gain four more years and thus sell Yorubas into greater slavery?[/size] Did many yoruba Obas not accept the billions of GEJ and do many ever think of this fact when they portray Tinubu as being all about money and the 'cornering' of State wealth? those who show a propensity for selling us out are ignored while Tinubu, because of his profile, is always the convenient scapegoat when we all need a name to blame as human nature directs us to do. Literally thousands of the same Yoruba leaders who enviously attack Tinubu daily gluttonously accepted GEJ's money to sell us out and this thread exist today because we are in a position of not being too despondent or too depressed to discuss our affairs which would be the case if GEJ had won and is busy 'dealing' with us as he did in 2011 to 2015. Do many Yorubas ever mention Adams, Faseun, Obanikoro, George and others malevolently, while they focus on Tinubu, even when those peoples's action showed they would prefer to destroy the destiny of the Yoruba nation, for personal gain, than do the right thing by us? If many of our Obas, George, Obanikoro, Adesiyan, Folarin, Faseun, Adams et al had their ways then GEJ would be president today, Sambo would be your VP and some idiot who blames "evil demons" for our lack of adequate power would be minister of power today while Fashola would probably be working outside Nigeria and using his talent to help other nations develop. If you cannot mention Yoruba names to replace Tinubu, do we then embrace the model where local politics play out freely only to 100% favour those most violent and most dreaded in the land as is always the case when the SW lacks a benevolent strongman like Awolowo, Ige, Tinubu et al? Yorubas should be careful what they wish for is all I can say. Human beings have an irrational tendency of wanting folks cut down to size, when they feel those folks have become too big for their boots, without looking at the implications of what would happen if those folks are no longer where they are. Take Tinubu out and watch the influence of Koro, Fayose, George et al grow to then throw us back another 20 years. At least with Tinubu's 'gatekeeping' talents we are moving in the right direction via getting better calibre of leaders till the truly beautiful ones are born. If not because I know too well what would happen, I would even prefer Tinubu to go and rest, enjoy his life and family, to leave the SW to the jungle law of "survival of the fittest". I would love to see the 'fittest' who will emerge to lead us. If history is any indicator then I can only say the joke will be on the Yorubas and not on Tinubu. 8 Likes |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by jstbeinhonest(m): 10:45am On Nov 17, 2015 |
modath: While i agree that some yorubas are still poor,definately,I think poverty in the sw is reducing at a rapid rate,the fastest in the nation.The rice/2k issue is not a result of poverty,its a result of our peoples mentality :The mentality that the rice/2k is the only dividend of democracy they can/would receive directly.Such mentality can be cured with only two tools EDUCATION and GOOD GOVERNANCE. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 10:53am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Katsumoto: E kaabo o! Signed, Mayor of Lagos Consul to Alaafin, King of Oyo Empire and the territories of Dahomey. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Osomalo(m): 10:55am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Tinibu  I don't like to talk about that dude. There's no way I'll talk about him without bashing him. And, that's a job I can't afford to buy for myself. Not anymore. Tinubu.............I dey laugh.
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| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 11:02am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymmex, Each of our Yoruba frontline politicians in the contemporary has an archetype we can match them to in the pre and post independence era. Fashola is a reincarnate of Herbert Macauley Tinubu is a reincarnate of Awo. A reincarnate relives opportunities and aims to polish and do right what he got wrong on first coming. The two lives will never be lived exactly the same and cannot therefore be a compare one to the other. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by forgiveness: 11:10am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymm3x: Sorry, i could not reply you. My battery energy was down and i was already in my bed. Back to the topic. What do you suggest? First off, What should we consider as ' at least work'? Education, Health, Housing, Employment, Power, Security etcetera. Pls, kindly, tell how you can make these things work when the Federal Government is in control of all these sectors? As for me, the country is programmed for failure. The state government seat down every month waiting to receive monthly allocation. How then can they be creative? How long do we wait for things to work a bid, like a snail travelling from lagos to Accra? When it's better to use missile. Before that time go come my grandchildren go don start to dey commot teeth and com get bald head. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 11:11am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Gbawe: Elder Gbawe, as much as Pa Awolowo did for the yoruba tribe, He wasn't a saint, neither is Jagaban oooo You only took the minus & totally ignored the positives i attributed to him, it isn't fair ooooo  We all know, minus God's intervention, as it stands today, in 75% of Yorubaland if Jagaban says jump, the only question is how high.. , he has done well but not at a 100% .... I said "unfettered progress" & you didn't bother to check the connotation of the phrase but have taken objection to the whole thing... issokay ooo You know, i won't drag nothing with you but Jagaban has feet of clay ooooo.... This life sha.. The irony of everything is that MO is subtly implied as being an APC political Jobber, this is comical.. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Gbawe: 11:19am On Nov 17, 2015 |
MayorofLagos: Precisely. Tinubu is succeeding where Awolowo failed because he is an astute student of the dark side of politics as well as a proponent of it progressive and positive side. It is only those who do not know or fully understand the real 'underbelly' of Nigerian politics who would clamour for Awolowo's complete twin to lead us today. If Awolowo lived alongside Tinubu and they were the same age then I think Awolowo would simply be another Soyinka and Fawehinmi that OBJ, IBB, Abacha et al found irritating but did not fear or took serious. Tinubu mastered the 'crossover' skills that made him more effective than Awolowo for the age he is living in and the peculiar politics playing out on the ground today. Mayor, you are knowledgeable. Please enlighten the forum about the "do-or-die" days between 1999 and 2010 and the personal sacrifice of Tinubu to ensure Yoruba land was not consumed by it. 1 Like |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by forgiveness: 11:32am On Nov 17, 2015 |
IlekeHD: I don know that one te te, no bi today. But believe me, i was not comparing Yoruba development with other places in Nigeria. Haba! You should have catch the drift now. My comparism is simply based on what you and i are craving for, a prosperous and powerful nation per or above international standards. Abi no be wetin you want be that? So, comparing Yoruba nation to other Nigerian region is ........ |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 11:34am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Katsumoto: Egbon, What we had pre-British was not necessarily a perpetual rivalry from way back (apart from Ife-Modakeke) but rather a period marred by several scores to settle which eventually ended in stalemate and with a vow amongst all Yoruba nations not to go down that path again.. I do not think there's not much difference between regionalism/confederation and outright independence. If Yoruba states/towns can co-habit during the pre-1966 regional system without old feuds and rivalries resurfacing to tear us apart, then I do not see why it should in an independent Yoruba state where states will be carved along provinces or states carved along the line of towns with mutual historical/political bond. The over 50 years of Nigeria's existence has for the most part killed the 'rivalries' in Yoruba land - what I fear is the present crop of politicians running the affair of the nation aground as being witnessed presently. We cannot continue to hide under Nigeria if the opportunity to form a sovereign Yoruba nation presents itself though. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Gbawe: 11:37am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Osomalo: Hate Tinubu all you want. When PDP, as one example, was busy, back in the gangster "do-or-die" days, kidnapping Ayoka Adebayo (Ekiti REC) and forcing her to declare their candidate the winner of the Ekiti gubernatorial election, all in the effort to make the SW their gangster paradise, was it you or the many fake and garrulous Yoruba 'patriots' of today (like Faseun and Adams who saw nothing wrong with taking Jonathan's billions to sell us out) who fought bravely and uncompromisingly, using personal funds and influence, to reverse that trend and set the SW on the path of the refined even if imperfect politics we enjoy today? Many of us were on Nairaland then and contributing live, in those dark days, to have a first hand appreciation of what Tinubu sacrificed to get us where we are today. Nearly 100% of Yoruba leaders, when Tinubu never did, disappear when it is time to stand up, fight and be counted for the Yoruba cause (eg when PDP was bullying Yorubaland) only to then show up to play anti-Tinubu saviour of Yorubaland when GEJ is sharing dollars. With Tinubu gone it is those sort who will take his place since nature abhors a vacuum. It would be interesting to see how you and the Yorubas fare with those sort. If you only wish to believe the negatives about Tinubu, such as stories of how he is worth 3 trillion dollars and own everything that moves in Lagos and the SW, then good luck to you. Many are never appreciated until they are gone. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 11:46am On Nov 17, 2015 |
modath: Feel free to post whatever you want to post...that's why we're here. I know most folks will shy away from the subject. However, if we don't talk about it, how are we going to move forward? We're in a precarious situation right now, with a future that looks bleak, based on how Yoruba states are run and the falling oil prices (Nigeria is heavily dependent on oil and all these states thrive based on oil money). So folks need to start talking. I was listening to Nas and Damian Marley's tune "Leaders" off the Distant Relatives yesterday and it resonated with me that African Americans are somewhat similar to Yorubas...and the two groups need great leadership to thrive. Let's look at African Americans. They made a lot of progress when they had Marcus Garvey and Booker T. Washington...and they were able to rally around them. Then after those two, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X came and they all rallied around them. But after both MLK and Malcolm X - there was a leadership vacuum and that allowed NAACP which was/is more of an opportunistic/compromised group to take charge. And it gave them the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who're a walking embodiment of opportunists and compromised folks. Then Minister Farrakhan came forward with the Million Man March and most African Americans thought it was a new dawn and they all marched to Washington DC in their millions to support the movement and show solidarity. However, after the success of that gathering - Minister Farrakhan ran away and he never followed up, despite the support he got. Apparently, due to intel by the FOI that they were after his life. And a lot of folks will never forgive him for that. Now, let's analyse what happened to what happened to African Americans when NAACP and the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson took charge of leadership. A lot of drug kingpins started thriving. Crack came and it destroyed their communities. Black economics died. Mass incarceration. Street gangs were born and killing one another became the order of the day. Etc.. Back to Yorubas. Under the leadership Oyo empire - Yorubas thrived and achieved greatness. Then when Oyo collapsed, a leadership vacuum was created and the splinter groups (I believe it was first Ijaiye and later Ibadan - I might be wrong. Katz, you can correct me if I'm wrong lol) that tried to take charge of leadership never had what it takes to lead everyone, and that led to the almost-never-ending Kiriji wars. After that, Nigeria came and Egbe Omo Oduduwa was able to galvanise everyone under the leadership of Awolowo. And Yorubas started thriving again. After Awolowo, Afenifere and NADECO thrived under the leadership of Abraham Adesanya and Yorubas were able to fight a common cause. However, after that - there has a been leadership vacuum. You have Tinubu and his allies on one side, and remnants of Afenifere on the other side. Personally, I feel these two groups (Tinubu and remnants of Afenifere) represent NAACP and the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, when you do a comparative analysis with the struggles of African Americans. And when you look at how the two communities fared under the leadership of these opportunists who filled the leadership vacuum, you'll see how things deteriorated. We can politicise and sugarcoat things all we want, but even the blind can see that Yorubaland is effed up. So, going forward, since we are a group that has always thrived under good leadership. What should we do? Should we beg these opportunists cum leaders to do the right thing? Or just accept our reality and start looking for new leaders to take us where we ought to be? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by theV0ice: 11:52am On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymm3x I long for another Awo and his era but I must constantly bring myself back to the earth and admit the truth that men of that hue are no more. Even though distant uncles of mine like late senator Akinboro told us after the devil, Awo was next in line, Awo will always be the father of modern Yoruba nation. The truth is that every human has a dark side including you and I. I remember when democracy started and the Yoruba nation was to be compensated for Abiola's death, we all queued behind Falae because he approximated closest to what we could manage than OBJ but he too had to get down into the mire to outsmart an renowned disciple of Awo in Bola Ige through the committee of 23 'wisemen who voted 14 to 9 against Ige. For those familiar with that episode, they'll admit Falae also did a Tinubu to beat Ige. Falae lost to OBJ who had/has no regard for Yoruba nationalism and it showed in the way he bamboozled his way through the SW in 2003. Only Tinubu survived the onslaught because he utilised the same system we villify him for today and its ironic that the same ebora had to rely on Tinubu's platform to get one over GEJ, his godson. However, how do we think Tinubu could have provided a platform for us to even have a chance to negotiate if he didn't get deep into the dirt and murky waters of current Nigerian politics? I like Osinbajo and I believe he'll make a fine leader (he's even an Awo by marriage  ), but I can assure you he wouldn't win councillorship against a bus conductor in Lagos without borrowing some leaf from Tinubu's book of political wisdom.Politics in Nigeria has left the era of Awo, Azikiwe, Sardauna, Rewane, Aminu kano etc. I dare say that a George Washington will also find it not easy to win an election in the USA today  Tinubu isn't a saint. Tinubu should do better. Tinubu isn't Awo and can never be. That much is very obvious. However, things are a lot different than Awo's time. Why, I'm even posting this on my phone while lying on my bed and you'll read it instantly though you're thousands of miles away. That is enough to tell you that the times have changed and a whole lot changed with it. Not least the politics A lot of us long for our pastors to cut down on their greed yet we've refused to stop going to church. We simply pitched our tent where we believe things are still a bit sane. Its the same with our politics. We have to choose whom we feel is the lesser devil. While the jungle was dark and threatening, Tinubu was the only one bold enough to stand. Who else then to lead the charge? I might have spoken from a very narrowed vision of Yoruba politicians but pls don't blame me too much. Compared to the politicians that dictate things around me here in the Niger Delta, Tinubu qualifies for beatification. My rants or whatever are over jare. I don't even know if it if it makes sense  |
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