Akanbiedu:
By joining forces with Buhari to unseat the power structure that has ruled Nigeria since the end of Nigerian civil war, Tinubu has helped to set Nigeria firmly on the part of progress . What Tinubu is busy doing now is consolidating on this success, and making sure that the conservative forces trying to return us to the old power structure is defeated.

I think the man has done his bit for Nigeria (Yorubaland inclusive) and shouldn't be bothered much about satisfying the sectional interests of some people suffering from superiority complex. Come to think of it, trying to satisfy Yoruba people as a leader is the worst thing one can do to him or herself, even Awolowo couldn't do it.

Osomalo:
Good points from Uncle Katz and Prof Shymexx.

I'm here to read comments, I'm going to cause confusion here if I post what's on my mind.


If the BEST TALENTS they could offer us are the DEBTORS, then we have a long way to go.

Truth is, right now, the difference between PDP and APC is not much.

I dey laugh.

Aareonakakanfo:
Oh yeah dem don show again

Osomalo:
Good points from Uncle Katz and Prof Shymexx.

I'm here to read comments, I'm going to cause confusion here if I post what's on my mind.


If the BEST TALENTS they could offer us are the DEBTORS, then we have a long way to go.

Truth is, right now, the difference between PDP and APC is not much.

I dey laugh.

Shymm3x:


Sir, I'm not a "Prof" - I just added that to my other handle, to feel super-Nigerian with a title cos I've exhausted all my other variants.

Anyway, that's what this thread is for. No holds barred, regardless of whose ox is gored as long as we don't turn it into a street fight.

Post whatever you want to post, Sir.

We are all here to learn and put forward our opinions.

Na lie you be "Prof"

Don't play that humility card here

Katsumoto:
Gbawe

Your argument is simple - you have made PDP in the SW a benchmark. You aren't providing any widely accepted indices as benchmark; instead your benchmark is Buruji, Bode George, Gbenga Daniel and other persons of low stock. Has the Yoruba stock fallen to bad that these persons are now the benchmark. Your strategy is similar to that used by parents in scaring kids with the bogeyman; in this case OBJ & George are the bogeymen.

To mark matters worse, you sully the name of great men - Soyinka, Fawehinmi, Solarin, etc to make a point. Are those men politicians? They simply provide a social conscience for the nation. Why don't Indians compare their politicians to Gandhi?

Gbawe:

Shymmex, believe me our current crop of leaders like Amosun, Ajimobi et al are talented. Like jstbeinhonest posited, there are things beyond their control, like power supply, that limits what they can achieve. I have met some of these guys and can tell you they know what we know and much more !!!!!

Katsumoto:
Gbawe

Your argument is simple - you have made PDP in the SW a benchmark. You aren't providing any widely accepted indices as benchmark; instead your benchmark is Buruji, Bode George, Gbenga Daniel and other persons of low stock. Has the Yoruba stock fallen to bad that these persons are now the benchmark. Your strategy is similar to that used by parents in scaring kids with the bogeyman; in this case OBJ & George are the bogeymen.

To mark matters worse, you sully the name of great men - Soyinka, Fawehinmi, Solarin, etc to make a point. Are those men politicians? They simply provide a social conscience for the nation. Why don't Indians compare their politicians to Gandhi?

Yoruba are capable of much more and these scaremongering tactics are for the middle ages and not this age. Most of the posters here are well educated and intelligent folk. We know why Obama is better than bush visavis employment, GDP, Inflation, education, etc stats. To espouse the qualities of Tinubu, that is where you should start from. Leave pigs and thugs out of benchmarks.

What really is the political ideology of Tinubu and the APC? Don't make him into a demagogue

Firefire:
Ati bere, we don start again ?

So, Chief Obafemi Awolowo would permit this type of selfishness


Haba, ki lo de, enikan ki je ki le fe na...

Aareonakakanfo:


Na lie you be "Prof"

Don't play that humility card here

Osomalo:
Good points from Uncle Katz and Prof Shymexx.

I'm here to read comments, I'm going to cause confusion here if I post what's on my mind.


If the BEST TALENTS they could offer us are the DEBTORS, then we have a long way to go.

Truth is, right now, the difference between PDP and APC is not much.

I dey laugh.

raumdeuter:


Anyone who is enlightened should know this is idioccy at its best

US is the bastion of modern democracy

The current democratic front runner is Hilary wife of former President

One of the Republican candidate is Jeb Bush, brother of former president Bush, son of Former President George H W Bush, GrandSon of Former senator Bush.

There is a possibility that the next US election is going to be between a Bush and a CLinton just like it was 24yrs ago

We havent seen Americans shout about Tinubu and make silly meme's

In India. We had Mahatma Ghand, We had Indira Ghandi we had Rajiv Ghandi

If thats Tinubus crime, then I can say he learnt from the greatest democracy icons in the world

Shymm3x:


Huh?

When/how did that happen?

Are OBJ, IBB, Buhari, Atiku et al part of the old guards? And didn't the same people back Buhari?

I honestly don't see the logic in this submission.

MayorofLagos:
Shymmex,
Each of our Yoruba frontline politicians in the contemporary has an archetype we can match them to in the pre and post independence era.

Fashola is a reincarnate of Herbert Macauley
Tinubu is a reincarnate of Awo.

A reincarnate relives opportunities and aims to polish and do right what he got wrong on first coming. The two lives will never be lived exactly the same and cannot therefore be a compare one to the other.

Shymm3x:


Feel free to post whatever you want to post...that's why we're here. I know most folks will shy away from the subject. However, if we don't talk about it, how are we going to move forward? We're in a precarious situation right now, with a future that looks bleak, based on how Yoruba states are run and the falling oil prices (Nigeria is heavily dependent on oil and all these states thrive based on oil money). So folks need to start talking.

I was listening to Nas and Damian Marley's tune "Leaders" off the Distant Relatives yesterday and it resonated with me that African Americans are somewhat similar to Yorubas...and the two groups need great leadership to thrive. Let's look at African Americans. They made a lot of progress when they had Marcus Garvey and Booker T. Washington...and they were able to rally around them. Then after those two, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X came and they all rallied around them. But after both MLK and Malcolm X - there was a leadership vacuum and that allowed NAACP which was/is more of an opportunistic/compromised group to take charge. And it gave them the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who're a walking embodiment of opportunists and compromised folks. Then Minister Farrakhan came forward with the Million Man March and most African Americans thought it was a new dawn and they all marched to Washington DC in their millions to support the movement and show solidarity. However, after the success of that gathering - Minister Farrakhan ran away and he never followed up, despite the support he got. Apparently, due to intel by the FOI that they were after his life. And a lot of folks will never forgive him for that.

Now, let's analyse what happened to what happened to African Americans when NAACP and the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson took charge of leadership. A lot of drug kingpins started thriving. Crack came and it destroyed their communities. Black economics died. Mass incarceration. Street gangs were born and killing one another became the order of the day. Etc..

Back to Yorubas. Under the leadership Oyo empire - Yorubas thrived and achieved greatness. Then when Oyo collapsed, a leadership vacuum was created and the splinter groups (I believe it was first Ijaiye and later Ibadan - I might be wrong. Katz, you can correct me if I'm wrong lol) that tried to take charge of leadership never had what it takes to lead everyone, and that led to the almost-never-ending Kiriji wars. After that, Nigeria came and Egbe Omo Oduduwa was able to galvanise everyone under the leadership of Awolowo. And Yorubas started thriving again. After Awolowo, Afenifere and NADECO thrived under the leadership of Abraham Adesanya and Yorubas were able to fight a common cause. However, after that - there has a been leadership vacuum. You have Tinubu and his allies on one side, and remnants of Afenifere on the other side.

Personally, I feel these two groups (Tinubu and remnants of Afenifere) represent NAACP and the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, when you do a comparative analysis with the struggles of African Americans. And when you look at how the two communities fared under the leadership of these opportunists who filled the leadership vacuum, you'll see how things deteriorated. We can politicise and sugarcoat things all we want, but even the blind can see that Yorubaland is effed up.

So, going forward, since we are a group that has always thrived under good leadership. What should we do? Should we beg these opportunists cum leaders to do the right thing? Or just accept our reality and start looking for new leaders to take us where we ought to be?

raumdeuter:


Anyone who is enlightened should know this is idioccy at its best

US is the bastion of modern democracy

The current democratic front runner is Hilary wife of former President

One of the Republican candidate is Jeb Bush, brother of former president Bush, son of Former President George H W Bush, GrandSon of Former senator Bush.

There is a possibility that the next US election is going to be between a Bush and a CLinton just like it was 24yrs ago

We havent seen Americans shout about Tinubu and make silly meme's

In India. We had Mahatma Ghand, We had Indira Ghandi we had Rajiv Ghandi

If thats Tinubus crime, then I can say he learnt from the greatest democracy icons in the world

Aareonakakanfo:
They said Tinubu is simply operating in a system he has no control of and we ask them Didn't Awo advocate federalism as the only basis for equitable national integration? Why hasn't the Messiah done the same?
Awo was a welfarist.Most of the companies Awo founded were not for personal gains but for the people.Odua Investment company is a testament to that.Can the same be said about the messiah?How many of us here have gained from Tinubu's businesses?
Is political presence at the national level an achievement?
If the messiah was that great,how come his policies,ideas,political success haven't impacted the average Yoruba citizen or the South-west?.

Firefire:


You are absolutely wrong to classify selfishness and selfish interest as "idioccy at its best"

God continue to bless Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande, whose many policies as posited by others here are being felt up till this very moment. (30 Years after) e.g Jakande Low Cost Housing.

But your "idioccy at its best" is busy building his own personal empire, and estates while the masses are suffering and double taxed.

Eberu Olohun...

Aareonakakanfo:
They said Tinubu is simply operating in a system he has no control of and we ask them Didn't Awo advocate federalism as the only basis for equitable national integration? Why hasn't the Messiah done the same?

Awo was a welfarist.Most of the companies Awo founded were not for personal gains but for the people.Odua Investment company is a testament to that.Can the same be said about the messiah?How many of us here have gained from Tinubu's businesses?

Is political presence at the national level an achievement?

If the messiah was that great,how come his policies,ideas,political success haven't impacted the average Yoruba citizen or the South-west?

The only person I can put in the same league as Awo is Lateef jakanade..

superstar1:
Politically, Tinubu did what was necessary to save the yoruba nation from the onslaught of a corrupt party. Maybe he did it to protect his personal interest too. Most likely yes. We cannot deny the fact that he seemingly saved the day.

Gbawe et al should realise that we yorubas are better than this and we are demanding for better governance and leadership. If Tinubu wants to be a leader, he should learn to be selfless now because he has the money and the influence already. I do not have any iota o respect for Afenifere (since the demise of Abraham Adesanya). In recent times, there is not a single instance anyone can point out to that they put the yoruba nation ahead of their selfish interest. Not one. They have turned themselves to ''We vs Tinubu Group''. They can never be relevant in the scheme of things gain, till when they reform themselves and renew their conscience and re-awaken tha pan-yorubaism they were meant to stand for.

I will not hold Tinubu responsible for Governors that are not performing because you can only force a donkey to the stream, you might not be able to force to drink the water.

In fairness, the PDP governors had access to more funds -- ecological fund, excess crude oil funds etc which the APC guys might have used more judiciously. However, my grievance with APC governors is why on earth will you put the state in so much debt and there is no development on ground that is commensurate with the debt profile. That is criminal and satanic. It is better for you steal public fund and not throw the state into the valley of debt, than for you not to be able to account for funds you borrowed in the name of the state. In the case of the latter, at least the generations yet unborn do not have a burden, while that it is the case in the former.

How can anyone then tell me an Aregbe is better then OGD, when I can see projects completed by OGD, though he was a looter?

As for me I am just waiting to see the miracle the synergy between the APC controlled central government and the states can achieve, before passing my final verdict.

Akanbiedu:


What many of you fail to understand is that Yorubaland does not exist in isolation now, unlike when Awo ran Western region in a confederation. No matter what SW administrators do, will not yield much result or rather the result will be consumed by internal migration. The little progress Lagos recorded has been swallowed with influx of people putting pressure on the infrastructure and making it seem like nothing is working.

Programs or policies that have far-reaching effect on the populace are not directly under the powers of states. For example Tinubu built power generation for Lagos only to be taken over by Federal government. That was at a time Nobody was thinking of building power.

So the better way of handling the situation of getting to influence what is happening at the federal level. That has been done and its only a matter of time before the results of that will start manifesting. So why the sudden rush now?

Gbawe:

Shymmex, Buhari is not and has never been part of the old guard in anything but age. He does not share their ideology and is more of the welfarist, 'power to the people' school of politics while OBJ, IBB, Abacha, Danjuma et al are autocratic for the sake keeping power within a small set of hands and with a leaning for copious self-aggrandizement. Atiku, IMO, is actually a different creature entirely and more a benevolent and relatively liberal AGIP (any government in power) who would probably move Nigeria forward if he were president but not as quickly as we should progress because he can and will be compromised. This is why our political elites have fought tooth and nail to demonise Buhari for decades to make him appear unelectable. It is the fact that GEJ is shockingly terrible that created a paradigm shift in the thinking of our leaders to the extent many thought "f**k it. Let us get behind Buhari before GEJ takes us all down". Buhari and OBJ, for example, have nothing in common. OBJ only swung behind Buhari because of the personal and intense hatred he had developed for "disrespectful" and "ungrateful" GEJ. Also, OBJ and others like Atiku who would have previously worked against Buhari realised that GEJ was a very dangerous individual on course to destroying Nigeria. They chose the lesser of the two devils, i.e Buhari, out of self-interest and not because he is like them or of similar mindset.

Akanbi Edu is right because Tinubu, by working selflessly to install Buhari, assisted the demolition of the structure holding Nigeria back. Tinubu shows he is not about money and pecuniary gains because he knows Buhari enough to understand that his Presidency will signal the end of 'business as usual' which is even capable of hurting Tinubu and his own interest. Yet the man went ahead, using his personal wealth and clout, to ensure Buhari won. Even the APC primaries that produced Buhari was the work of Tinubu because virtually all SW delegates voted for Buhari - more than was the case for even Buhari's own Northern base.

These are the sort of development that truly typify what Tinubu is about for those who wish to look at issues dispassionately and pragmatically. Tinubu has nothing to gain from a Buhari Presidency other than the desire to see the good governance. Jonathan could have made Tinubu filthy rich if Tinubu agreed to work for his win. The billions of dollars and inducement (like pipeline protection contracts for gani Adams and Faseun) he doled out across Yorubaland would have gone to tinubu who Jonathan coveted as a kingmaker and wanted to get on board more than all others put together. Yet Tinubu could not be bought and he chose the project, i.e Buhari and APC win, that represented less money, less influence and less chances to consolidate an 'empire' many tell us that Tinubu cares about more than anything else. It does not make sense and the more one looks the more it is obvious the Yorubas should feel very privileged and lucky to have tinubu.

Katsumoto:
Gbawe

Your argument is simple - you have made PDP in the SW a benchmark. You aren't providing any widely accepted indices as benchmark; instead your benchmark is Buruji, Bode George, Gbenga Daniel and other persons of low stock. Has the Yoruba stock fallen to bad that these persons are now the benchmark. Your strategy is similar to that used by parents in scaring kids with the bogeyman; in this case OBJ & George are the bogeymen.

[b]To mark matters worse, you sully the name of great men - Soyinka, Fawehinmi, Solarin, etc to make a point. Are those men politicians? [/b]They simply provide a social conscience for the nation. Why don't Indians compare their politicians to Gandhi?

Yoruba are capable of much more and these scaremongering tactics are for the middle ages and not this age. Most of the posters here are well educated and intelligent folk. We know why Obama is better than bush visavis employment, GDP, Inflation, education, etc stats. To espouse the qualities of Tinubu, that is where you should start from. Leave pigs and thugs out of benchmarks.

What really is the political ideology of Tinubu and the APC? Don't make him into a demagogue

Nature abhors a vacuum. If Tinubu is absent, thus creating a vacuum, history has show the pragmatic and practical Yoruba that it is not Solarin, Soyinka, Fawehinmi et al who can plug that vacuum. It is the likes of OBJ, Adedibu, Fayose, OGD et al who emerge to control SW politics and direction. Tinubu has the right balance of good and bad to help the SW on its march towards progress. He has the goodness to empower the Fashola, Fayemis, Ajimobi et al and the readiness to do the bad/dirty work, that Soyinka et al are incapable of, in the effort to defeat the OBJs, Faseuns, Adams, Adedibus et al a their own game. Minus Tinubu then Soyinka and Fawehinmi, as we have seen first hand, will not/cannot stop OBJ et al getting away with enslaving the SW and miring us in gangster politics.