Akanbiedu:


What many of you fail to understand is that Yorubaland does not exist in isolation now, unlike when Awo ran Western region in a confederation. No matter what SW administrators do, will not yield much result or rather the result will be consumed by internal migration. The little progress Lagos recorded has been swallowed with influx of people putting pressure on the infrastructure and making it seem like nothing is working.

Programs or policies that have far-reaching effect on the populace are not directly under the powers of states. For example Tinubu built power generation for Lagos only to be taken over by Federal government. That was at a time Nobody was thinking of building power.

So the better way of handling the situation of getting to influence what is happening at the federal level. That has been done and its only a matter of time before the results of that will start manifesting. So why the sudden rush now?

superstar1:
@ Gbawe,

What is your thought and possibly that of APC's on the restructuring of this country politically?

Tinubu and APC did not believe in the last National Jamboree/Confab (i did not either), is there any likelihood of APC organising a people oriented Sovereign National Conference devoid of ''No-Go-Area Clause''?

Aareonakakanfo:
Baba Firefire ejo e ba wa yo aworan yen kuro

Aareonakakanfo:
They said Tinubu is simply operating in a system he has no control of and we ask them Didn't Awo advocate federalism as the only basis for equitable national integration? Why hasn't the Messiah done the same?

Awo was a welfarist.Most of the companies Awo founded were not for personal gains but for the people.Odua Investment company is a testament to that.Can the same be said about the messiah?How many of us here have gained from Tinubu's businesses?

Is political presence at the national level an achievement?

If the messiah was that great,how come his policies,ideas,political success haven't impacted the average Yoruba citizen or the South-west?

The only person I can put in the same league as Awo is Lateef jakanade..

Musiwa419:
was restructing/National conference in the APC campaign manifesto ?

Osomalo:
I only know of Alhaji Lateef Kayode Jakande

I don't know The Richest Landlord.

They should not forget to pay the debt before they hand over power in 2018/2019.


I dey laugh.

superstar1:

You should realise that the ideologies of the 2 men are different. Awo was a socialist, which is a typical yoruba structural orientation and ideology while Tinubu is a capitalist to the core.

The difference in ideology explains the achievements of both politically and in terms of visible development.

Will it have been possible for Awo to achieve some of his welfarist and socialist ideologies in modern times? I strongly doubt it.

Will Tinubu have gotten away with his imperialistic capitalist tendencies in the contemporary times of Awo? Capital N and O.

superstar1:

You should realise that the ideologies of the 2 men are different. Awo was a socialist, which is a typical yoruba structural orientation and ideology while Tinubu is a capitalist to the core.

The difference in ideology explains the achievements of both politically and in terms of visible development.

Will it have been possible for Awo to achieve some of his welfarist and socialist ideologies in modern times? I strongly doubt it.

Will Tinubu have gotten away with his imperialistic capitalist tendencies in the contemporary times of Awo? Capital N and O.

theV0ice:
Shymm3x

I long for another Awo and his era but I must constantly bring myself back to the earth and admit the truth that men of that hue are no more. Even though distant uncles of mine like late senator Akinboro told us after the devil, Awo was next in line, Awo will always be the father of modern Yoruba nation. The truth is that every human has a dark side including you and I.

I remember when democracy started and the Yoruba nation was to be compensated for Abiola's death, we all queued behind Falae because he approximated closest to what we could manage than OBJ but he too had to get down into the mire to outsmart an renowned disciple of Awo in Bola Ige through the committee of 23 'wisemen who voted 14 to 9 against Ige. For those familiar with that episode, they'll admit Falae also did a Tinubu to beat Ige. Falae lost to OBJ who had/has no regard for Yoruba nationalism and it showed in the way he bamboozled his way through the SW in 2003. Only Tinubu survived the onslaught because he utilised the same system we villify him for today and its ironic that the same ebora had to rely on Tinubu's platform to get one over GEJ, his godson.

However, how do we think Tinubu could have provided a platform for us to even have a chance to negotiate if he didn't get deep into the dirt and murky waters of current Nigerian politics? I like Osinbajo and I believe he'll make a fine leader (he's even an Awo by marriage ), but I can assure you he wouldn't win councillorship against a bus conductor in Lagos without borrowing some leaf from Tinubu's book of political wisdom.

Politics in Nigeria has left the era of Awo, Azikiwe, Sardauna, Rewane, Aminu kano etc. I dare say that a George Washington will also find it not easy to win an election in the USA today

Tinubu isn't a saint. Tinubu should do better. Tinubu isn't Awo and can never be. That much is very obvious. However, things are a lot different than Awo's time. Why, I'm even posting this on my phone while lying on my bed and you'll read it instantly though you're thousands of miles away. That is enough to tell you that the times have changed and a whole lot changed with it. Not least the politics

A lot of us long for our pastors to cut down on their greed yet we've refused to stop going to church. We simply pitched our tent where we believe things are still a bit sane. Its the same with our politics. We have to choose whom we feel is the lesser devil.

While the jungle was dark and threatening, Tinubu was the only one bold enough to stand. Who else then to lead the charge?

I might have spoken from a very narrowed vision of Yoruba politicians but pls don't blame me too much. Compared to the politicians that dictate things around me here in the Niger Delta, Tinubu qualifies for beatification.

My rants or whatever are over jare. I don't even know if it if it makes sense

theV0ice:
Shymm3x

I long for another Awo and his era but I must constantly bring myself back to the earth and admit the truth that men of that hue are no more. Even though distant uncles of mine like late senator Akinboro told us after the devil, Awo was next in line, Awo will always be the father of modern Yoruba nation. The truth is that every human has a dark side including you and I.

I remember when democracy started and the Yoruba nation was to be compensated for Abiola's death, we all queued behind Falae because he approximated closest to what we could manage than OBJ but he too had to get down into the mire to outsmart an renowned disciple of Awo in Bola Ige through the committee of 23 'wisemen who voted 14 to 9 against Ige. For those familiar with that episode, they'll admit Falae also did a Tinubu to beat Ige. Falae lost to OBJ who had/has no regard for Yoruba nationalism and it showed in the way he bamboozled his way through the SW in 2003. Only Tinubu survived the onslaught because he utilised the same system we villify him for today and its ironic that the same ebora had to rely on Tinubu's platform to get one over GEJ, his godson.

However, how do we think Tinubu could have provided a platform for us to even have a chance to negotiate if he didn't get deep into the dirt and murky waters of current Nigerian politics? I like Osinbajo and I believe he'll make a fine leader (he's even an Awo by marriage ), but I can assure you he wouldn't win councillorship against a bus conductor in Lagos without borrowing some leaf from Tinubu's book of political wisdom.

Politics in Nigeria has left the era of Awo, Azikiwe, Sardauna, Rewane, Aminu kano etc. I dare say that a George Washington will also find it not easy to win an election in the USA today

Tinubu isn't a saint. Tinubu should do better. Tinubu isn't Awo and can never be. That much is very obvious. However, things are a lot different than Awo's time. Why, I'm even posting this on my phone while lying on my bed and you'll read it instantly though you're thousands of miles away. That is enough to tell you that the times have changed and a whole lot changed with it. Not least the politics

A lot of us long for our pastors to cut down on their greed yet we've refused to stop going to church. We simply pitched our tent where we believe things are still a bit sane. Its the same with our politics. We have to choose whom we feel is the lesser devil.

While the jungle was dark and threatening, Tinubu was the only one bold enough to stand. Who else then to lead the charge?

I might have spoken from a very narrowed vision of Yoruba politicians but pls don't blame me too much. Compared to the politicians that dictate things around me here in the Niger Delta, Tinubu qualifies for beatification.

My rants or whatever are over jare. I don't even know if it if it makes sense

Shymm3x:


Awolowo wasn't even a socialist like the Soviet type of socialism, the Lenins of this world, or the Karl Marx of this world. So he would've thrived in modern times since the most developed countries in the world in Scandinavia use the same model. And most European countries are welfare states.

Also, capitalism isn't the problem if well managed. But is Tinubu just a capitalist, or more of an emperor who thrives on nepotism and cronyism? - I'll let you answer that.

Shymm3x:


Awolowo wasn't even a socialist like the Soviet type of socialism, the Lenins of this world, or the Karl Marx of this world. So he would've thrived in modern times since the most developed countries in the world in Scandinavia use the same model. And most European countries are welfare states.

Also, capitalism isn't the problem if well managed. But is Tinubu just a capitalist, or more of an emperor who thrives on nepotism and cronyism? - I'll let you answer that.

Shymm3x:
Please, let's discuss issues, without attaching "jealousy" to it. Nobody is jealous of Tinubu here. We are all young people, no one is a politician here, and we're not involved in the power tussle.

Everyone here is trying to discuss what's wrong with Yorubaland and the way forward. Post what you think and leave accusations out of it. Only folks who're grasping at straws with no argument always pull out unnecessary things.

Yorubaland needs help and that's what we should focus on.

raumdeuter:


When I said there is a difference between idealism and reality this puts it clearly.

Reality is that Buruji, Daniels and Bode George are present and ready to pounce on power if Tinubu is off the stage. PDP, Buruju are no bogeymen they are the reality of our time. They exist. Oyo State was ruled by Akala, and Teslim Folarin, Lagos state was going to be ruled by Obanikoro, Kashamu rules Ogun, Fayose rules Ekiti

Fawehinmi actually went into politics, How did he fare there? Did he win a single LGA out of over 700 in Nigeria

Tai Solarin was given People's Bank to handle how did that experiment end?

Wole Soyinka was put in charge of FRSC, How did that end?

And about the Saraki swipe, I dont think that takes anything away from Tinubu. Awolowo had people who didnt buy into his ideology and actually sent Awo to jail without being able to achieve his goal

superstar1:

Awolowo was a socialist. He developed his form of home grown socialism that is not in any way like that of the Communist countries.

Tinubu is not an emperor yet. For now, he is just more of an imperial capitalist that might become a monstrous emperor, if care is not taken.

modath:


This is no rant & you know it... you just want someborry to complement you on a job well done....


I will just something to it with two illustrations about my perception of the Jagaban...

1.In 2011, ACN presented Nuhu Ribadu , it was expected that the Yoruba people will go with that plan but sohin happened but it is a subject for another day...

I did my usual Ajala work no pay campaign for PMB on my SM pages, to friends, work/biz life cos according to a friend in EFCC, Ribadu is a weak willed, malleable creature which made it easy for OBJ to use him in his special vendetta against errant govs & political associates....

Till today, I'm still marveled by the events of 2011..



2...
Opeyemi Bamidele VS Fayemi in Ekiti... It needs no soothsayer to highlight the fact that APC lost ekiti cos Jagaban for whatever reasons best known to him supported Fayemi despite it being obvious Ekiti people didn't want an Acada governor & were going to ensure he didn't return...

Fayemi meant & did arguably well but he was too elitist for the average ekiti man who prefers a Governor that will dance bata at his son's freedom party... The market woman whose preference is for a governor who will share a corn cob with her..

Tinubu knew quite well MOB would have swung the votes but he let pride (wild guess) make the decision not to field him dictate the course of events...

That decision i still can't wrap my head around..

Jagaban wants the SW to progress but it will be at his own dictates & pace...

As for Pa Awolowo, My parents enjoyed free education & i know the trickle down effect on myself & siblings, so i will swallow spit on top my opinion....

Firefire:

Marxism theory of growth emphasizes the role of capital accumulation. To him, economic progress was accompanied by a change in the whole society and its framework.

While capitalism thought is characterized by the desire of the capitalists to secure as much of surplus value as possible and by competition, thereby claiming ownership of means of production.

I agree that capitalism is not totally bad but adding nepotism and cronyism is the ill of the drive.

Gbawe:



Thank you Dayo !!! The point I make about Kashumu et al is what you correctly interpreted because I wrote without any ambiguity that would lead anyone to believe I am "like a parent scaring children with bogeyman names". For this who truly know SW politics and are willing to say the truth regardless of whose Ox is gored, when has politics on the ground ever favoured the So Yinka type ahead if the Kashumu until Tinubu came along? This was my simple point till Katsumoto, for whatever reason, decided to lend wholesale misinterpretation to what I wrote.

This is why I sometimes stay off threads like this because they become an arena for for some to attempt to shine at the ezpense of others rather than an honest platform to use in seeing and saying the truth for the betterment of Yoruba land and indeed Nigeria.

Shymm3x:


Capitalism isn't the problem and to run a state effectively you'll always need welfare as part of the package. Even the US, which most will call the most capitalist country, is also a big welfare state. I think between 30-35%.

Shymm3x:


I so much love this submission, Sir/Lord/King Katsumoto.

Even Messr Putin the emperor had to clap for you.

Gbawe:



Thank you Dayo !!! The point I make about Kashumu et al is what you correctly interpreted because I wrote without any ambiguity that would lead anyone to believe I am "like a parent scaring children with bogeyman names". For this who truly know SW politics and are willing to say the truth regardless of whose Ox is gored, when has politics on the ground ever favoured the So Yinka type ahead if the Kashumu until Tinubu came along? This was my simple point till Katsumoto, for whatever reason, decided to lend wholesale misinterpretation to what I wrote.

This is why I sometimes stay off threads like this because they become an arena for for some to attempt to shine at the ezpense of others rather than an honest platform to use in seeing and saying the truth for the betterment of Yoruba land and indeed Nigeria.

Aareonakakanfo:
They said Tinubu is simply operating in a system he has no control of and we ask them didn't Awo advocate federalism as the only basis for equitable national integration? Why hasn't the Messiah done the same?

Awo was a welfarist.Most of the companies Awo founded were not for personal gains but for the people.Odua Investment company is a testament to that.Can the same be said about the messiah?How many of us here have gained from Tinubu's businesses?

Is political presence at the national level an achievement?

If the messiah was that great,how come his policies,ideas,political success haven't impacted the average Yoruba citizen or the South-west?

The only person I can put in the same league as Awo is Lateef jakanade..

veraponpo:


I thought you said you just want to read the comments bro?

Firefire:


Mama Modath...

superstar1:


You cannot stay off the thread Gbawe. You want the best for the yoruba nation, likewise majority of us ventilating here.

You have your opinion and others have theirs, whether based on prejudice or not. We all respect each others views. All of us cannot sleep and face the same side and likewise there is nobody that bears ''We''. Collective reasoning brings out the best out of a society.

Gbawe:

Shymmex I know you rate Katsumoto but it is better to be principled and honest always. I never inferred anything he claims I did and you should have the innaye devotion to honesty to call wrong as wrong instead of cheer for it.

Katsumoto may be able to do no wrong in the eyes of some but I would hope there are still some here able to upbraid him when he is wrong as I have never shied away from doing. It is very injurious for him to claim falsely that I "sully" the name of Fawehinmi, Soyinka et al.

Dayokanu/Ramdeuter and Akanbi Edu are some of the fews who always stand up to Katsumoto while others give him a free pass to say what he wants whether true or, in this case, totally false. The fact is that Soyinka, Fawehinmi et al neve got far despite their involvement, at one time or the other, in politics while Kashamu and others like him are elected political leaders. When I make this point, which is a statement of fact, how is that to be interpreted as me insulting Soyinka et al when they are Yorubas I respect immensely?

modath:


You never disappooint, yo always show up on cue.

I have told you & I'd never cease to tell you that your ways aren't pure.

I refuse to be an attache in your anti Tinubu rhetorics, we never see yyou contribute till Tinubu or the SW govs are being bashed..

modath:


You never disappooint, yo always show up on cue.

I have told you & I'd never cease to tell you that your ways aren't pure.

I refuse to be an attache in your anti Tinubu rhetorics, we never see you contribute till Tinubu or the SW govs are being bashed..