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Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by lexyman(m): 11:59pm On Nov 19, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: thegoodjoe u re spot on ! 3 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:33am On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: He didn't criticise he basically said we won't qualify with Oliseh. If it were any other ex coach saying that we would have all unanimously called it hate but now all of a sudden it is constructive. Big countries in Europe struggle all the time with so called smaller countries, Holland will not be at the Euro's (maybe westerhof can go give them advice). I don't read into too much of what people say but when it is in turn bashing Nigeria i take an exception, why won't we be at the world cup? Oliseh is our man hired and paid and so we should surport him as long as he holds the job. btw Oliseh was not an amateur player when he made his debut. 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:48am On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: Big deal, we had the golden generation. He owes us just as much even more than we owe him. He has no right to call a man a failure before he even starts. I will always surport my country even if i don't like the entire starting 11. 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:58am On Nov 20, 2015 |
Of course Set-pieces mastery alone do not make Oliseh a tactical guru. And I never said set-pieces utilization shows the height of brilliant coaching. I wasn't referring to only set-pieces as regards Oliseh's tactical intelligence (which is quite good but can be far better, of course). In saying Oliseh is tactically good, I refer to his all-round football philosophy and tactics as displayed in the game against Cameroun (OLISEH'S ONLY GREAT GAME TILL NOW). Oliseh has great potentials in terms of tactics but I'm afraid his "over zealousness" and "stubbornness" may interfere with his job. HE SHOULD REALLY WATCH IT!!!! In the post you quoted, I was only affirming Sir Joseph's observation on how clinical we seem to be with set-pieces these days. Oliseh deserves credits on this one. Even though it's NOT EUREKA YET........ *smiles* TheGoodJoe: 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:21am On Nov 20, 2015 |
Honestly when I saw some "attacking" Westerhof just because of his words, I grew a bit weak. I wanted to respond but I said, "forget it Dave, let it go...... It's what they think". Have people suddenly forgotten the Legend of Westerhof in Nigerian Soccer?? Well, I guess your response here hits the bull's eye. It will do just fine. *smiles* TheGoodJoe: 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:51am On Nov 20, 2015 |
Come on Sir Basco. Relax ok. I'm certain Westerhof means well. He only said and I quote, "I'm sorry,........... The Super Eagles MAY not go to the world cup........" He wasn't exactly "certain" about it. He's just expressing an opinion based on his observations and more. We both (as with several others here) love the Super Eagles. So I say the ball is in Oliseh's court TO PROVE WESTERHOF WRONG. I believe he can. But it doesn't matter what I believe. What matters is what Oliseh believes. Please, just free Westerhof. Besides, you and I know his legend and contributions to Nigerian soccer. Yes, we had "The Players/Talents" that made up the "first" Golden Generation (yep... I use first because a second will rise and fully mature soon-within 2yrs as latest) but it was one man's Nurturing and coaching that transformed these bunch of "Isolated Super Talents" into a "Fearsome Super Team". This team included Oliseh(current SE coach), Amunike (current U-17 GE coach), **you know the rest** Come on, you know better than this. He deserves the highest respects no matter what. *smiles* BascoVanVeli: 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by terzurum5(m): 6:30am On Nov 20, 2015 |
[b][size=14pt] Ighalo: My Eagles Goals Will Come, Watford’ll Give United A Good Fight [/size] Nigeria and Watford striker Odion Ighalo in this interview with Completesportsnigeria.com's JOHNNY EDWARD reveals reasons why Super Eagles struggled to beat Swaziland and promises to give Manchester United a tough time on Saturday… Two games no goals for you but the Super Eagles qualified for the third round of the 2018 World Cup qualifiers. How does this feat make you feel? Firstly, I give thanks to God that we qualified against a tough team like Swaziland. It was not an easy round because we played against a side that deployed more bodies in defence. They gave us a good fight. The first leg was on an artificial turf which affected the way we played and also the flood lights were not bright enough for us to play with. There were other unpleasant conditions but I’m happy we have qualified and I’m looking forward to the draws. As regards the goals, I wasn’t too happy because I didn’t get to score but the fact that the team won is great. I worked hard for the team but the goals didn’t come but I was glad that the coach was pleased with my performances in the two games. I helped my team keep the ball and gave everything to score. I know many expect me to score just like I do for my team in England but most times it doesn’t work that way. I know the goals will still come because I am working hard to maintain that form of scoring in every game. To my fans, I’m sorry I didn’t score. Now that Nigeria have qualified and might not be seeded in the group stage draw, are you scared of they may be drawn against the likes of Cote d’Ivoire Cameroun, Ghana and South Africa in the group phase of the 2018 World Cup? We are not scared of any team and won’t underrate any team as well. In Africa there are no minnows anymore; we saw what Swaziland did to us away and how Ghana were held at Comoros so the tide is changing and we will be better going ahead. We just have to work harder and keep to the tactics of our coach. With Sunday Oliseh’s tactical acumen we can face any team. I don’t prefer any team I just pray for a favourable draw because the aim is to qualify for the World Cup. This weekend, your team Watford, 11th in the English Premier League table, host Manchester United at Vicarage Road. United may likely be without some of the top players like Anthony Martial, Chris Smalling and the rest. What are your chances? Manchester United are a big team in England and one of the biggest sides in world club football. Against them it won’t be easy and that’s why Watford have been pushing hard to stay in the league. Going into the game we are the underdogs and they will be difficult to beat but we will give it our very best to win and stay up on the log as long as we can. Nobody can predict the outcome but they will get a good fight on Saturday. Lastly, what do you make of coach Sunday Oliseh? He is a strict coach and one that knows what he wants from his team. Since my first encounter with him he has never changed. He doesn’t want to know where you play for so long as you give him what he wants on the pitch and he’s not scared to throw you out when you’re not performing. I think that those were few of the reasons he was appointed. In a nutshell, he’s a strict professional and a disciplinarian. [/b] www.completesportsnigeria.com/%e2%80%8bighalo-eagles-goals-come-watfordll-give-united-good-fight/ 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:48am On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheSuperNerd: [b]I do not doubt Coach Oliseh becoming a great coach. He played in a role that required a lot of technical and tactical understanding of the game. He was a defensive midfielder in a team that possessed the ball and attacked at Breath taking pace. Coach Oliseh's plays made the team tick. I see him passing the philosophy of the game to the team. He also worked with great coaches from his time at Ajax, to Juventus to Dortmund. He is growing on the job and I see him blending and becoming a good coach. I also applaud the tactical brilliance of our coaches, from Coach Manu Garba, to Coach Emmanuel Amunike, to Coach Samson Siasia and many others. Some people will not notice how tactically brilliant Coach Keshi was. In the game we did not qualify for the last AFCON, Coach Keshi went three at the back with One central defender Egwueke and two wing backs. In the second half, we played a pressing attacking football and we almost won the game if not that our attackers missed a lot of goals. Especially Musa and Uche. In the CHAN, Coach Keshi led the team to a miracle moment were the team went from 3 goals down to win the match 4-3 against Morocco. Our Coaches are good and I believe with time, Coach Oliseh will adjust. I think his major problem is experience and it shows in his overzealousness and man management deficiency. I just do not want us to praise Coach Oliseh when he is not performing. Constructive criticism will make him perform better. He is a brilliant man. [/b] 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:01am On Nov 20, 2015 |
BascoVanVeli: [b]Westerhof did not have a golden generation. He built the Golden Generation. He owes us nothing. We even owe him more. The sabotage the NFF continue today was on at the time of Coach Westerhof. He used to go behind the NFA to get support for his team. After his great work with the Super Eagles and building a memorable team, the NFA sacked him unfairly. We can only wonder what might have been if he continued. Westerhof used to go to Ajegunle and the creeks the look for footballers. He went to ghettos to watch games. He had scouts all over the country watching secondary school games. He always put the first team on pressure and gave the young ones chances. After we won the Tunisia '94 AFCON, Westerhoff invited 300 players to camp and screened his World Cup team. He wanted the very best for the World Cup. He is not calling Oliseh a failure. He is telling his Captain without the band to sit up and give Nigeria more. Coach Oliseh's coaching is not acceptable because Coach Oliseh can offer more. What he is coaching now is not enough to qualify us.[/b] 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by Nobody: 7:36am On Nov 20, 2015 |
terzurum5:lol. ighalo Don confess.. the time people get it into their skull that this oliseh of a guy doesn't give a fuk.. the better for them. u can play in Jupiter but hey... my way or the door.. I think I love his style 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by joseph1013: 7:58am On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: Did you watch the friendly against Cameroon? You will see the potential for us to score team goals in that match. We score two fantastic goals with vital team movements. Is it a fluke? I don't know, however Oliseh attributed that performance to the length of time they were together in training. Set pieces are vital. There are many important games where matches are won just via set pieces. That's the way football is. Make every opportunity to make the est use of the opportunity that presents itself to you. If we play 20 games and we scored zero goals from free kicks with one coach, and then with a new coach, we play 3 matches and we have 3 goals from free kicks, it is simply rational to know that the new coach is deliberately setting his team up to be dangerous in set pieces. That is not luck That takes careful planning. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:03am On Nov 20, 2015 |
joseph1013: I am not saying Coach Oliseh is not tactically brilliant. I am pointing out that we can not judge a coach as tactically brilliant from set pieces. It is the goals scored in open play that we equate to tactical brilliant play. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by joseph1013: 8:26am On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: You do not think that the manner of execution shows tactical brilliance? The manner the free-kicks from the games with Cameroun and Swaziland were scored showed some striking resemblance. It's even more striking because they were played by two different players (Mikel, Igboun), yet you'd think it was the same person if you dont take a closer look. I dont think it's luck. I say that was perfected in their training sessions. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:33am On Nov 20, 2015 |
joseph1013: I repeat, you can not judge a coach as being tactically brilliant from set pieces but from the goals scored in open play. Free kicks can win games for a sound coach. But, a tactically brilliant coach delivers from open play. For instance, Coach Westerhof believes we should beat teams like Swaziland with 6 to 7 goals. You can not achieve that with free kicks but with sound tactical approach. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by joseph1013: 9:30am On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: Can you get us matches where Westerhoff's Eagles won by 7-0 against lowly African oppositions? 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:25am On Nov 20, 2015 |
Hmmm..... Abeg o. I salute Keshi's Tactical abilities too. He had his moments. And surely they were "special". *smiles* (Whether Nigerians like it or not, Keshi is Nigeria's most successful indigenous coach at the moment...... #FACT) And yeah, I totally concur. Constructive Criticism will make Oliseh better. That's what we're both doing. *smiles* It's something we must do but some people don't seem to see it that way. Someone even termed me a sadist for being "constructively critical". It's a risk we must take inspite of the insults or names-calling that come our way. That's why I insist that Oliseh's only great game so far is Nigeria's 3-0 win over rivals, Cameroun. Oliseh got potentials, YES. Can be better, YES. He's shown he's tactically good, YES. BUT I WILL NOT HESISTATE TO CALL HIM OUT WHEN I SEE THAT HIS "FLAWS" ARE AFFECTING THE PROGRESS OF OUR TEAM. He should really watch it. TheGoodJoe: 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:27am On Nov 20, 2015 |
joseph1013:Nothing in this article is constructive or maybe i just can't read. Next. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:37am On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheSuperNerd: Look i have no problem with people criticizing Oliseh, my problem is people wishing the team ill, that shows they are not real Nigeria fans, because real Nigeria fans will believe till the last game is over. I don't care who coaches our team I will surport them everyday and i don't need nobody legend or not telling me they might fail. That's just the way i feel on this issue but i also respect ur opin and will leave it at that. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:45am On Nov 20, 2015 |
Thank you Sir. So there we have it.......*smiles* Long live THE SUPER EAGLES!!!!!!! We're the #PowerOfNaija. BascoVanVeli: 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by Tomtoxic: 11:41am On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe:every single person has a right to caution oliseh how does winning a qualifier match now relate to with oliseh we may not qualify for the world cup.oliseh has good statistics already he has won more matches than he has lost or drawn all these are good signs that we will qualify so wtf is westerhoff saying. westerhoff won d afcon keshi did that too he got to round of 16 keshi did that too when trying to criticise simply don't do it the scholes way. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:05pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Tomtoxic: If you think a draw and a 2-0 win is impressive, then pay attention to Coach Westerhof. He said he is not impressed that we should be beating countries like this with 6 or 7 goals. That is what the coach expects from Coach Oliseh. We the fans should also expect Coach Oliseh to do that because he has the ability and the talents at his disposal. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by Tomtoxic: 12:10pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheSuperNerd:westerhoff might mean well but those are not d words of a man dat means well.when he was told that the team was rebuilding he said THERE IS NO SIGN THAT IT WILL GET BETTER. oya guy in less than 10 matches we have seen a new side to the super eagles (set piece) so wat signs does he want again he commented like some1 full of heat it wasn't a criticism cuz he didn't criticise anything not to talk of it being constructive sef 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by Tomtoxic: 12:14pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe:am not impressed with the 2-0 win but that's not a sign that oliseh would fail cuz if so den the 3-0 against Cameroon is a sign oliseh will achieve so much and remind me in westerhoff's 1st matches which 1 did he win with 6 or 7 goal difference. call a spade a spade westerhoff said THRASH 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:45pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Tomtoxic: Westerhof said thrash? Ridiculous. This is a man that led Super Eagles to 3 AFCON tourney's in two of them, we finished with a bronze medal and in the third, we won it. The Cameroun match is a sign of great things we can do but we need to do it consistently as we did under Westerhof. There is no room for the kind of display we made against Swaziland. So please, know who is speaking before you call it thrash. Sometimes when men like these speak, you keep quiet and listen. 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:56pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
**stamps foot** Haba!!! Sir Goodjoe. Wetin na? You wan collect one medal from westerhof? Abeg o..... Weterhof only had one bronze @ Senegal 1992 Afcon. Not two. @Algeria 1990 Afcon (they never born me sef) he led us to "Silver" NOT bronze. Then @Tunisia 1994, **you know the rest** *smiles* TheGoodJoe: 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:56pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
[b]“Congratulations, you beat Swaziland 2-0 in the return leg match of the preliminary round of the qualifiers,” Westerhof told Complete Sports. “But does that really call for celebration? Yes, there are no minnows in football but who are Swaziland to hold the Super Eagles to a goalless draw (in Swaziland)? “The Super Eagles won 2-0 in (Port Harcourt) Nigeria but is it not a game the Super Eagles should be winning 6-0, 7-0 under normal circumstances?. What type of football do they play in Swaziland?” Only someone with limited abilities will be satisfied with mediocrity. Coach Clemens Westerhof still rates Nigeria as a team that can perform as it used to. He does not want us celebrating over such victory because for the Standard of the Super Eagles that is poor. If beating Swaziland is a call for Celebration, do you think that is not far below qualifying for the World Cup. Coach Oliseh should be disappointed with the performance and expect his players to buckle up. Instead most of us saw Swaziland as a huge obstacle. Just like a father who sees a credit in his sons report and say, should I celebrate this? Result like this will not make you a Super star in your field. It is constructive, if you know that Coach Oliseh is like a son to Coach Westerhof.[/b] 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:58pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheSuperNerd: See jonsing. I was too young then, barely watching football. I thought the game, Westerhof almost cried when we lost in 1990 was the Semi Final. I am sorry. ***Picks Up Slippers and runs out of the thread*** 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheSuperNerd(m): 1:03pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Me wey they never born by that time nko?? *smiles* Anyway, you're pardoned Sir. But wait o! God don catch you today! So na slippers you dey wear by this time eh? Come back here!!!! **picks up a rod and runs after him** TheGoodJoe: 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:05pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheSuperNerd: Imagine the NFA, sacking Coach Westerhof, after such performances. Sacked in 1994 after the best ever reign of the Super Eagles. Sacked for Amodu Shuaibu. ***Punches my head with both fists*** 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:06pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheSuperNerd: I only Waka Come. 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by Tomtoxic: 1:09pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe:u have not been able to justify his words oh u kip on happing on his person OK explain if u watched the match and other matches since oliseh began explain y oliseh might not qualify us and explain the no sign of improvement bullshit that oga westerhoff said. this issue is not about who westerhoff is or what he has done but what he said so when quoting me don't bring the he won us d galaxy cup line 1 Like |
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