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Appleyard:
I told ya, sh*t is coming......

all4naija:
Please, it is not American that decides but the people of Syria. There are many different ethnics in Syrian and some choose to rebel against the dictator and USA supports them when Al Assad refuses to make reforms and change power.

bonechamberlain:
its good u mentioned "some" when would USA support those is Saudi Arabia fighting for reforms and the collapse of that evil monarchy that has one of the worse human rights in the world, or don't they also want democracy in Saudi,

Assad has agreed there would be reforms but he must take part in any reforms decision, very soon the u.s would have to accept that.

all4naija:
No rebel group is trying to topple the monarchical government of Saudi yet. If there is a serious one and the kingdom refuse to make reforms(which the kingdom is trying not to do) it may end up like Syria.

He refuses the reforms but chooses to make some based on his terms which he never did.

mazeltov:
the last part of your post shows that you are not biased in your thoughts or you pretend not to be - and that is the problem with many people. They don't weigh or make researches before they come online and start posting what they know nothing about.
Meanwhile, I would like to enlighten you or expose you to some facts. Feel free to refute them.
Stealth? Nobody ''hollas'' about anything, nothing special about stealth.
Yes, stealth tech is just a plus to a fighter jet and 'stealth' doesn't mean a complete invisibility perhaps from a ground phased-array radar like the one on growler. Your ability to detect and view a high flying stealthy object depends on the sophistication of the viewing radar. Am I wrong? In fact, when you have an advanced stealth tech with high mach - it's a huge advantage. But most of the fighter jets (5th generation) which we are seeing today are stealthy, Russian T-150 is stealthy, Chinese Y-22 or something is assumed to be the stealthiest jet ever made, the recent F-35 is also stealthy - this is to tell you that, these countries now understand the importance of stealth tech in aircrafts with supersonic speed.
And talking about drones? No!! If a drone is flying withing the range of a ground based SAM so why won't it be shot down? It's wrong to compare drones with advanced fighter jets just because you want to justify or rationalize your point in favour of S-400 capability. The ability of a SAM to shoot stealthy drones doesn't mean the same SAM can bring down advanced Fighter jets. Yes most of the drones can be brought down by SAM because their aerodynamics capabilities are not the same.
Miracle doesn't work here and this is not about magic, you can only shot what is within your range. You can only harm what you see. You can only touch what is within the range of your hands. Don't be blinfolded by your affections and face reality on ground.
Right now, the most sophisticated SAM in the world is Russian S-400. It's a big time threat, yes !! no doubt!! . S-400 ceiling range is 400km, which means anything above 400km is a ''bye bye''. Even American patriot is no where near S-400 '' Fact'!!!
F-22 on other hand has a ceiling range of about 830km, yes none of these have been used in any large scale combat. Let's come in terms with reality. This is not about Russia or Nigeria. I repeat, only a fool would fink that F-22 can't survive S-400.

bonechamberlain:
oga there have been crisis and civil unrest in Saudi Arabia because of lack of reforms but trust the despotic monarchy and its friend the u.s.a u don't see or hear it in the media, go and do a research on Saudi Arabia.

if assad had a close relationship with the u.s, and if he had allowed the gas pipelines from Saudi or Qatar to pass through his country to Europe the u.s would sing his name in high places.

just like Russia has said any political reform or transition of power in Syria must involve assad, and I know the u.s are beginning to come to reality on that, their evil game is up in Syria.

NairaMinted:
Hhmmm

NairaMinted:
Whilst I await your answer to my question all4naija, do know that the United States of Anarchy's jig is up in Syria. Syria will be the US's Waterloo.

God bless Putin. God bless the Russian Armed Forces. I'm off to sleep.

all4naija:
Reading most posts here proves one of the very reasons why African leaders mess with their citizens because they know they are more dumb than they(the leaders) are.

all4naija:
It is all monarchical government not affected in the reform change, if I am completely correct. You are only speculating because Saudi Arabia is notorious for instituting primitive laws that affect the citizens, most especially, the women. The Syrian case is different. This is a dictatorial government and they people want him out after his father has rule the nation as a dictator. This is not a monarchy.

At the end proves that Saudi Arabia monarch understands international diplomacy than Syrian Al Assad.

Tkester:
You're a very compound idio.t. Dumbo!

all4naija:
My name is slowpoke, and my father is the chief slowpoke and I'm a bitch

bonechamberlain:
Saudi is a despotic monarchy, even most monarchies in the world today are constitutional monarchy. what diplomacy are u talking of, putting its citizens in prison if they criticize, the monarchy and aligning itself with a powerful country to suppress information about its evil crime is that diplomacy.

as for Assad, he has shown that he understands how to play dirty with countries that tries to uproot a sovereign govt using all manner of evil tactics, as he is still in power and those criminals fighting him have started running thanks to Russia.

like I have said assad would go if Syrians don't want him, (he has said it countless times) and not if America doesn't want him. he is the leader and knows more of his people and country.

Tkester:
My name is slowpoke, and my father is the chief slowpoke and I'm a Dam

Shymm3x:
Lool.

A mini no-fly has been declared over Syria with the Russia missile cruiser.

Putin is a chess player and he knows the game they're playing. Just watch who's going to laugh last.

He always outsmart them and make them look stupid.

I'm shocked Merkel hasn't said anything yet - Germany is trying to stay out of this as well.

And Hollande was also mute apart from his Assad reference. Cameron hasn't said anything as well.

Erdogan is on his own - he has the dogs in Washington to look up to.

all4naija:
[i]Im a pig, and I crave for stupidity. I'm always feeling funky. Bi.t.ch/i]

mach7:
No, I don't. You really had no idea, and I enlightened you.
There is no need to be ashamed of being ignorant, it is not a defective deficiency.

Lolz

sukkot:
Well you know the sun moved into sagittarius 2 days ago and we are in the 9th luna month and tommorow is the FULL MOON in taurus so the celestial realm is well established and fully primed for war. tomorrow and

Appleyard:
. But when you mentioned the S400 having a ceiling range of 400km, and as such can not take out the F22 raptor because of it's range of 830km, you erred big time, dear brother.
It shows you are still understanding the Soviet military doctrine of '' under reporting '' which is practically the same with the current day Russia that emerged from 1991.

Appleyard:
Russia has alot of missles and SAMs with the reported range of 300-500km, for which is also regarded as the official export range of most missiles, especially non-strategic ones. But the truth is, this way of official reporting and declaration have always been a Russian practice dated back to Soviet times. I wont go into history, but, for instance, the cruise missiles launched by Russia from the caspian sea is known as the '' kalibr '', and its officially known declared range was (guess what..) 350-500km. But when that insane missile travelled over two different countries, covering over 900 miles to reach their targets in Syria, some analyst in the west were mouth agaped, why? Because the capability of the missle was far above its officially acclaimed range. It suddenly dawn on them that the missile can actually travel upto 200+km.
Now, what makes you think the S400 is not just another kalibr? And if the west is seeing it as the most advance SAM at the moment, do you really think they must have ignored its range?

Appleyard:
Russian weapons are made to work, and not about hype. And when it comes to rocket technology and capability, the Russians are lord of the ring.

Appleyard:
The S400 is design to take care of such capabilities including stealth technology, and can fire multiple SAMs and Pantsils in one lunatic lunch.

Appleyard:
the wicked of them all-S500-sitting on the wheels awaiting entrance to the sinful market of man's ingenuity, as from next year.

Appleyard:
Maybe when you unbiasly study some of the S400 capabilities especially regarding stealthiness, you will understand why some analyst are of the opinion that the F22 is already obsolete.

mazeltov:
After reading this, I have no strenght to go into details so just manage my short reply
Yawnnn!!! The Russian s-400 40N6 The 40N6 very long range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 400 km (250 mi). Active radar homing head. To engage targets out of sight from the ground (for homing missile can) is designed to find the target. System S - 400 can hit targets at a height of 185 km.
The 48N6DM long range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 250 km (160 mi). Semi-active radar homing head.
The 48H6E3/48H6E2 – The 250/200 km, target speed 4,800 metres per second (17,000 km/h; 11,000 mph; Mach 14) /2,800 metres per second (10,000 km/h;
6,300 mph; Mach 8.2), rocket speed 2,000 metres per second (7,200 km/h; 4,500 mph; Mach 5.9).
The 9M96E2[37] extended range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 120 km (75 mi), flying altitude 5 m to 30 km,. It has the highest
hit probability against fast, manoeuvrable targets such as fighter aircraft. Weight 420 kg. Active radar homing head. The
probability for single missile to destroy the target without taking into account the operational reliability is: (piloted stealth /
UAV) of is actively maneuvering = 0.9 / 0.8.
The 9M96E medium range missile (40 km), flying altitude 20 km, weight 333 kg. Active radar homing head.
The 9M96(not for exporting) medium range missile. Range more 120 km, a high probability of target destruction 1 rocket
(0.9 for the aircraft and UAV maneuvering – 0.. Can maneuver at a height of 35 km with an overload of more than 20 g,which greatly increases the efficiency of destruction of ballistic missiles medium and short range
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_(missile) this link is from the official web page of [b]Almaz-Antey[b/] - the official designer of S-400 SAM.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html



what is your point here? - America used cruise missile during Gulf war in 1991 and Russian klub family cruise missile was recently used.
lolz, I couldn't help but laugh
Pantsir is a short/medium range SAM.
lwkm!! Why should I be afraid of S-500 when my F-x jet and B3-LRSB are in production. Bro you need to catch up please

F22 obsolete? Lwkmd!! . Name one fighter jet in the world that is in operation which can match obsolete F22.
More importantly, kindly show me a link where a renowned analyst commented that S-400 will bring down F-22. Jokes apart, I really need to read it cus I want to get some info, please.

mach7:
Most comments here are quite ignorant.

Russia will respond, and it is a matter of when and where.

The first step is to study satellite imagery, readings from the ground radars of Russian bases in Armenia and Khmeimm including the readings from the battle group in the eastern Mediterranean led by the Missile cruiser - Moksva.

Next is to determine if the Su-25 was marginally within Turkish airspace or not, and if truly warnings were issued to the pilots or not - this can be determined by studying the intercepts of the Krasukha Electronic warfare system in Khmeimm.

If the aircraft was within Turkish airspace, then a diplomatic brouhaha will unfold and the resolution will be an apology plus other measures as determined by Russia. However, if the aircraft was NOT in Turkish airspace, then it is an act of war and Russia is bound to act - and it will act.

Furthermore, the Su-25 is a bomber and not a fighter aircraft, hence its defensive systems will be minimal (for those who are beginning to compare F-16 and Su-25) and it was returning back from a bombing mission UNARMED.

Lastly, the final act that will determine the gravity of Russia's response will be if the second pilot is equally found dead. If so, then I feel there is no going back.

NATO as an entity is not a problem for Russia, as if it is determined that the aircraft was not in Turkish (NATO) airspace and it was erroneously shot down, Turkey is fair game. All we will hear is tongue lashing and diplomatic hurricanes.

However you look at it, the situation is really bad for Turkey.

RevDesmondJuju:
F22 is no match for SU-37.

The F-22's only advantage is its stealth capabilities that are unnecessary for a fighter jet.

If US were to scramble their stealth fighters and or bombers to Russia they will only have one strike since after their run, Russian radar technicians can create an algorithm of the stealth aircraft from the radar noise they observed at the time of strike and who knows if the Russians haven't got it anyway by hacking into NORAD.

The F35 was supposed to rival the Su-37 but it will never fly because of too much corruption and ineptitude in its design stage.

Missy89:
Russia will rant and rage. But no one will care. If the russkies violate NATO airspace again, They will be shot down and heavens wont fall.

RevDesmondJuju:
F22 is no match for SU-37.

The F-22's only advantage is its stealth capabilities that are unnecessary for a fighter jet.

If US were to scramble their stealth fighters and or bombers to Russia they will only have one strike since after their run, Russian radar technicians can create an algorithm of the stealth aircraft from the radar noise they observed at the time of strike and who knows if the Russians haven't got it anyway by hacking into NORAD.

The F35 was supposed to rival the Su-37 but it will never fly because of too much corruption and ineptitude in its design stage.

all4naija:
It is all monarchical government not affected in the reform change, if I am completely correct. You are only speculating because Saudi Arabia is notorious for instituting primitive laws that affect the citizens, most especially, the women. The Syrian case is different. This is a dictatorial government and they people want him out after his father had ruled the nation as a dictator. This is not a monarchy.

At the end it proves that Saudi Arabia's monarch understands international diplomacy than Syrian Al Assad.

belabela:
Should Russia get all clear that the plane did not violate Turkish airspace it will revenge

That is when you will know how divided NATO is. For one I know the UK parliament will not vote in support of a war instigated solely by Turkey.

If Russia truly violated Turkish airspace. There will be protest but nothing more.