TjNoobsaibot:


I believe Raptor's production was canceled due to the high cost of the aircraft (They funded it), a lack of clear air-to-air missions, delays in Russian and Chinese fighter programs, a ban on exports, and development of the lightning II $1.3 trillion project funded by US, Norway, Australia, Canada and some NATO members. Russia will finance the PAK-FA with the help of China and Assad (One of the reasons he's in Syria $$$$) because if there's anything Putin wants, it's the technology advancement of his military.
Did you know the F35 helmet costs a whooping $400,000? Wow!!

TjNoobsaibot:


Russia will prolly shoot down any Turkish jet flying over Syrian airspace. Sergey Rudskoi already confirmed all targets representing a potential threat will be destroyed.

I doubt this will turn into a full-out war but if it does, I guess we should spend our remaining days grieving because no one will come out alive. Not even Putin or Obioma

*Mod*

mazeltov:
You are right, One of the reason why ban was placed on sales of Raptor is because America value that Hardware, as I see it, they even prefer to sell lightning to Natos than for them to sell that Raptor. And for Lightning, it is just an expensive metal which has come under heavy criticism. You can imagine a 5th generation jet that can't survive against growler, it didn't even win a dog fight with F-16. But I once read it somewhere that Lockheed are still developing the jet so it is not fully operational, who knows? F35 is a good idea but not a good project but if they can solve its major, it's gon' be the most advanced fighter jet

MrDude:


LOL at the bolded Obioma

Exactly my thought. Russia has clearly stated that its bombing campaign will continue along Syria-Turkey border. Russia will probably shoot down couple of Turkish Jet, maybe blow a Turkish Ship, etc... One thing is sure though the consequences will be many for Turkey

TjNoobsaibot:


They are not gonna sell the Raptor, They built just 195. The lightning was built by an aerospace industry team led by Lockheed Martin. The criticism is based on the fact that lockheed produced, designed and tested 'em all.

I read somewhere the amount spent makes it impossible to cancel. They will come through i believe. You know, i been thinking maybe they can make a 5th gen jet outta Warthog with upgrades. It'll make Moskova and Beijing shiver

mazeltov:
sure they will. Raptor also experienced some technical problems during its flight test

mazeltov:
Stop arguing about stealth tech here. See forget about anything stealthy. No high-end tech in stealth. F22 doesn't rely on Stealth but has [b]Passive radar systems also referred to as passive coherent location and passive covert radar encompass a class of radar systems that detect and track objects by processing reflections from non-cooperative
sources of illumination in the environment, such as commercial broadcast and communications signals.

Talk of Phased array on S-400? Yes growler has such radar but the range of S-400 radar is about 600km. I challenge you to post a link where it was said S-400 radar range is beyond 600km



lolzz, honestly you are funny. Well I only opened the first link whaic talks how America finks F22 is now obsolete when they are into production of SR-72 hypersonic jet and they intend to mount lasar weapon on all of their fighter jets. Maybe you should sit down and read the content of link again. Until you tell me any enemy's aircraft currently in operation that can match F22 then I would believe you. You even went ahead to post F35 link to me, lol

Yes F22 is a 5th generation jet that which carries 4th generation stealth capabiliy not 4th generation fighter jet capability- I am sure that you are a student and you can easily understand and differentiate between the two. The fourth generation stealth is being used in terms of grade. you need to understand how Stealth and radar technology work together.
For example, the stealth capabilty of SR-71 is not the same with F-117, and the stealthiness of F-117 is not as sophisticated as that of F-35 or even F22

mazeltov:
I will also post it again, there was never a time Russia deployed growler. http://ibtimes.com/russia-denies-s-400-missile-system-operating-syria-suppurt-assad-regime2183632
stop spreading bloopa here, S-400's altitude is not beyond 400km and F-22 can supercruise at 450 nautical miles, approximately about 830km. Maybe you should step down from the throne of your foolishness and sip from my fountain of knowledge. LOCAL PIG

NairaMinted:





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/12013935/Who-are-the-Turkmen.html


[size=18pt]Who are the Turkmen that are reported to have killed two Russian pilots?[/size]
Downing of Russian jet throws spotlight on ethnic Turkish minority fighting with Syria's rebels


A Turkmen soldier with a machine gun is seen as taking aim in the Bayirbucak region in northern Latakia province of Syria Photo: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images
By Louisa Loveluck and Richard Spencer4:20PM GMT 24 Nov 2015
The downing of a Russian fighter jet on Syria’s Mount Turkmen has thrown the spotlight on to its inhabitants, part of the broader Turkmen community that stretches across northern Syria and Iraq.
In Syria the Turkmen, who are linguistically and ethnically Turkish, live alongside Arabs and Kurds, but have mostly aligned with non-jihadist anti-Assad rebel groups.

They historically objected to the Arab nationalism of the Assad regime’s Baath party, which stressed assimilation to the Arab language and culture. In turn, the regime has frequently regarded them as a fifth column working in favour of Ankara.
Around a dozen Turkmen militias have formed, some directly supported by the Turkish government. It is one of these, Alwiya al-Ashar, that is reportedly holding one of Russia's downed pilots.

They have been fighting alongside other rebel groups, including the al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra[ and more moderate brigades, in Latakia province which runs to the sea along the Turkish border in the north-west.
In recent days, thousands of civilians have fled over the border, saying they feared Russian bombing raids in support of regime forces in the area. Another 5,000 arrived at a refugee camp at Arfali, on the Syrian side of the border.
According to the governor of the Turkish province of Hatay, Ercan Topaca, 28 civilians arrived injured and one died in hospital.
The clash that led to the downing of the Russian jet today may be connected to that fighting.
Alwiya al-Ashar is linked to a Turkish and CIA-backed logistics supply programme that funnels a near-constant stream of small arms, ammunition, and cash for salaries to rebel groups across northern Syria.

NairaMinted:


Moderates you say? Ok na!

Explain this then:

"We’re talking four or five."Some laughably candid figures provided by the head of US Central Command General Lloyd Austin September 2015, to the US Senate’s Armed Forces Committee when asked how many US-trained moderate fighters are operating in Syria

Emzyme:
All4naija u deh crase ooo
He shld jst leave his seat jst lyk dat
Wetin obama still deh do for seat ...no b pple deh protest since
Abi those jailed in saudi for protesting nko
Erdogan weh kurds don deh fight since nko
Buhari weh biafra deh protest against nko...
Learn how to think na...
Stupidity wasnt meant for you alone...haha

Nd for all of ya celebrating turkey
May the blood of the lost pilots doing their duty to protect us from the even ISIL Be upon your head and those of your Children....Amen

Emzyme:

Do u have a brain
So a country dat executed people in the mist babaric way is ok
Foolishness should b ur second name
Its pple lyk you that has kept the world the way it is
Go to youtube and see videos of executions of both saudi and the fsa rats
Receive sense please
So monarchy is good in saudi ba.....ur level of stupidity amazes even d turkish president erdogan

Tkester:
Im a pig, and I crave for stupidity. I'm always feeling funky. Bi.t.ch

all4naija:

my name is all4naija, I'm a son of a crack LovePeddler and I delight in sucking my sisters punny.

Tkester:
my name is all4naija, I'm a son of a crack LovePeddler and I delight in sucking my sisters punny.
[/i]

Appleyard:
The main problem as I see it is that even assuming the F-22 was totally invisible at any distance, the weapons it uses are not, and can be dealt with and the Russians have many systems with optical backup.

Appleyard:
Pantsir-S1 (deployed with S400) for instance can engage targets up to 15a0km altitude and has an optical guidance channel that could deal with an F-22, and three other radar channels that could deal with weapons released by the F-22. If a flight of four F-22s tried to engage a target protected by a battery of 6 Pantsir-S1s the SAMs would be able to engage 24 targets at a time, so even if all four aircraft released 5 weapons each, the battery would be able to deal with all the targets and the aircraft at once. The high speed of the missiles of the Pantsir-S1 system means that those targets would be rapidly engaged and a follow up engagement for another 24 targets would probably allow 2-3 engagements before any weapons from the F-22s could reach their targets...

Appleyard:
Note any F-22s would need to operate without support aircraft like tankers and Awacs as they would be easy kills.

Appleyard:
modern pod based jammers and also ground based jammers I would think the F-22s would need as many as they could carry

Appleyard:
Regarding the deals, i was refering to the F35, that was why i posted a link to that effect, and it is interesting how you tacitly dodge

Appleyard:
it cant engage in dogfights, cant climb, spend much like 72hours on the ground after a mission, etc, etc.

Appleyard:
Some of the reasons the US is shelving conteneous production of these two stealth crafts are stated below.
Now, which is one is 4th and 5th generational steahiness?

Appleyard:
I sincerely believe you made an error on this, just as you erroneously stated that the RAF shot down a Russian plane in Syria. We all do at times, so chill.

all4naija:

i am a product of incest, and I've an infectious disease. I can't stop being a bleeping crack.head

Emzyme:

Do u have a brain
So a country dat executed people in the mist babaric way is ok
Foolishness should b ur second name
Its pple lyk you that has kept the world the way it is
Go to youtube and see videos of executions of both saudi and the fsa rats
Receive sense please
So monarchy is good in saudi ba.....ur level of stupidity amazes even d turkish president erdogan

Emzyme:
All4naija u deh crase ooo
He shld jst leave his seat jst lyk dat
Wetin obama still deh do for seat ...no b pple deh protest since
Abi those jailed in saudi for protesting nko
Erdogan weh kurds don deh fight since nko
Buhari weh biafra deh protest against nko...
Learn how to think na...
Stupidity wasnt meant for you alone...haha

Nd for all of ya celebrating turkey
May the blood of the lost pilots doing their duty to protect us from the even ISIL Be upon your head and those of your Children....Amen

NairaMinted:
Turkish intelligence chief: ISIS is a reality and we must stop Putin from crushing the Islamic revolution

November 24, 2015

AWD News

Posted October 18, 2015

Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future


Ankara--- Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known by the MİT acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.

Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President's staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to 'smother' Syria's Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.

“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” - Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

Recently as the fierce clashes between Russian army and ISIS terrorists are raging across the war-torn Syria, countless number of ISIS injured fighters enter the Turkish territory and are being admitted in the military hospitals namely those in Hatay Province. Over the last few days, the Syrian army with the support of Russian air cover could fend off ISIS forces in strategic provinces of Homs and Hama.

Emile Hokayem, a Washington-based Middle East analyst said that Turkey's Erdoğan and his oil-rich Arab allies have dual agendas in the war on terror and as a matter of fact they are supplying the Islamist militants with weapons and money, thus Russian intervention is considered a devastating setback for their efforts to overthrow Syrian secular President Assad.

Hokayem who was speaking via Skype from Washington, D.C. highlighted the danger of Turkish-backed terrorist groups and added that what is happening in Syria cannot be categorized as a genuine and popular revolution against dictatorship but rather it is a chaos orchestrated by Erdoğan who is dreaming to revive this ancestor's infamous Ottoman Empire.

***

Wiki: In 2014, voice recordings, where Hakan Fidan, foreign minister Davutoğlu, Deputy Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Yasar Güler, and other military personnel discusses a potential false flag incursion into Syria, was leaked to YouTube and shared across Twitter. The event resulted in the Turkish government blocking access to Twitter, then YouTube, and finally the DNS servers of Google DNS and OpenDNS.[10] In the voice recording, he is heard saying, to a military personnel, "... [i]f legitimacy [of a possible incursion into Syria] is an issue, I can simply send a few men there [across the Syria-Turkey border] and have them launch missiles over to us. Legitimacy is not a problem. Legitimacy can be manufactured." Seymour Hersh later linked what was said in this leaked meeting with CIA-Erdoğan dealings on Syria

telexfree1:


Lol. Fountain of knowledge indeed.

The highest altitude ever attained in a jet aircraft is 376.5km set by test pilot Fedotov in a Mig 31 Foxhound.

When you reel off figures like 850km, do u realize some one might actually believe you ?

mazeltov:
I am always busy so don't expect quick reply from me - and I don't have enough space to fully enlighten you but I will try and touch every point you've made.


discarded!! Now listen attentively - Pantsir' detection range is 30km and tracking Range is 24km, missile range of 20km and Pantsir is a short range SAM which uses 2 stages solid fuel rocket motors and its max speed is 1000m/s(mach3) http://www.army-technology.com/projects/Pantsyr/ stop typing what you know nothing about - Short range SAM can never attain 1500km as you have claimed, please make researches before commenting. Pantsir can only engage low flying object/missile moving within its range,
Yes you are right on this , the higher the weight the lower the distance. That's why countries use to deploy jets in their base around the world so that it will be easier to strike any target. You don't expect Russia to fly a jet from Ukraine to Nigeria when they have Carrier that can deploy them. Understood?

No!! Point of correction. Loaded weapons has nothing to do with jamming and you can only jam a system that has no countermeasure. A jet like Raptor uses Supression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) weapon and this makes it off jamming. You need to catch up on jamming system.

dodge? Lol. Listen, I don't engage in a crossed argument. If you want me to enlighten you no F-35

I have enlightened you on this in the morning. Go back to the post and re-educate yourself.

Yes I made an error, I wanted to type how American shot Russian MIGs 15, it was a typo err.

The Truth About the Useless F-35 & F-22

The Truth Revealed by the United States Department of Defense, the United States Air Force (USAF), the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) and the US RAND Corporation Research ANd Development, US and Australia Pacific Vision data.
The exercise PACAFs Pacific Vision on sept 25/08 revealed the United States air superiority is just a fantasy. The exercise was consisted of face the Red Team one hundred Su-27SM, four Su-30 and two Su-35 against Blue Team one hundred F-35, one hundred eighty seven F-22 and four hundred F/A-18E/F. The exercise showed the blue team higher in number of aircraft is double inferior when hundreds of Blue Forces aircraft were lost in the first 20 minutes downed by the Red Forces., on the other hand only 12 aircraft was downed in the Red
Team.
Pacific Vision effect the production of the F-22 was canceled and the F-35 project not longer receives investment all since 2008 by Barack Hussein Obama II and Robert Michael Gates.


Watch why F-22 is canceled in the next link -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5jAx...


Watch After the cancellation of the F-22 the few remaining units still cause frustration in the USAF in the next link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICnR09...

Appleyard:
F-16 program analyst Pierre Sprey and author James Stevenson argued that the F-22’s fuel:weight ratio, wing loading, and acceleration are inferior to existing fighters.

Appleyard:
So much for your enlightenment. On Pantsil and S400, they are integrated systems, and i wondered were you got that 850km altitude from.

TjNoobsaibot:


There is more to Erdogan's actions. No one hits Russia in such manner. Let's see how it plays out.

ayodele234:
Putin if you are not ready to play dirty then leave the battle field. China won't take such rubbish...Putin is weak!

HomoDroid:
Why is everyone focused on Jet fighters and nuclear bombs?

Modern wars are not won that way! The instruments of modern warfare include the propaganda, tactics, strategy, ICT cum intelligence, economics, ideology, partnerships, politics, etc. Critical factors such as timing, speed, surprise and positioning (the theater) play a great role in determining the outcome of modern wars. That's why it's always so difficult to per-determine the outcome and also why it is advisable to avoid warfare at all cost!

The weapons are merely tools of the trade, and remember 'a lazy workman quarrels with his tools!' There are many fear weapons out there, which will play the surprise role in a full blown warfare (where all is fair...). Such tools as weaponized chemicals and biologicals will show up, as well as the latest EMR -Electro-Magnetic Radiation, which can render the most potent aircraft, seacraft, command centre, etc virtually useless. It will fry all eletrical-electronic components and render them useless in seconds - imaging that game-changing scenario!

mazeltov:
Putin is not weak, he is simply tactical. Only that some invisible hands from the west like America and its Nato allies are undermining Putin's effort in combating terrorism. Give credit to Russia and Putin at least for trying to stabilise the peace in the world. SayNoToTerrorism.

Tkester:
i am a product of Inbreeding, and I've an infectious disease. I can't stop being a bleeping crack.head