all4naija:

Russia doesn't understand international diplomacy very well. It is very arrogant and bullying in nature. That is not good for a peaceful world.

Appleyard:
You are correct. The man committed a fatal mistake that he would regret shortly. Thinking that Nato would fight for him when things starts boiling, is an indication that the man is strategically flawed from head to toe. Europe doesnt have the stomach for another major war, and certainly not one against Moscow. They will just abardone him to face his own peril, other than talking tough and sabre-rattling. Nothing would come from Nato, not at a time when the EU is facing an economic downhill, bringing in an issue that would further worsen the situation, is not something most EU bigwigs fancied right now. Erdogan erred big time on this, except he had something up his sleeves, especially now that it is becoming clear that the plane wasnt downed in Turkish territory.

Sir, i am not a war monger, nor one that delights in evil like some happy '' downed Russian plane '' zombies down here, but something tells me that sh*t is about to hit that cursed mideast, and that nations like Nigeria may just be the unintended winner afterall, ditto the international price of oil.

God help the souls of the innocents. Erdogan just rolled the Mideast into a point of no return.

Appleyard:
You are correct. The man committed a fatal mistake that he would regret shortly. Thinking that Nato would fight for him when things starts boiling, is an indication that the man is strategically flawed from head to toe. Europe doesnt have the stomach for another major war, and certainly not one against Moscow. They will just abardone him to face his own peril, other than talking tough and sabre-rattling. Nothing would come from Nato, not at a time when the EU is facing an economic downhill, bringing in an issue that would further worsen the situation, is not something most EU bigwigs fancied right now. Erdogan erred big time on this, except he had something up his sleeves, especially now that it is becoming clear that the plane wasnt downed in Turkish territory.

Sir, i am not a war monger, nor one that delights in evil like some happy '' downed Russian plane '' zombies down here, but something tells me that sh*t is about to hit that cursed mideast, and that nations like Nigeria may just be the unintended winner afterall, ditto the international price of oil.

God help the souls of the innocents. Erdogan just rolled the Mideast into a point of no return.

NairaMinted:
"According to official Turkish letter to UN SC the plane overflew turkish territory for 17 s.

It was warned ‘(when approaching turkish airspace) 10 times in 5m previously.

It is clear they launched a missile as soon as it crossed into Turkey literally seconds after since that was their window of opportunity.

The area overflown is more a tiny outcrop into syrian territory couple miles wide so it required no manuoevring to enter it on the part of the pilot who was engaged in a combat situation at the time , as soon as it entered it was already on a trajectory out so to speak.

It is clear that they were just waiting for this kind of opportunity to do this.

Technically it is not an act of war and Turkey was legally justified in taking action. This is the reason why Putin said the aircraft posed no threat tacitly acknowledging it crossed the border.

Its was still a cowardly, opportunistic suckerpunch so to speak.

Not to say of the downright outrageous shooting of the pilots in the air and showing the pics on tv no doubt to inflame Russian public opinion.

I think, not an expert on Russian society, that the West seriously misreads Russian peoples character thinking they will turn against the Russian intervention in Syria because of this and airliner bombing.

Erdogan had told Russia last week not to hit the Turkmens since he was taking domestic heat for not backing them.

I think he is seriously suffering from delusions of grandeur.

I fear Turkey will feel Russian response soon enough ranging from economic(3m tourists gone, Turkstream dead), political (support for PKK, Cyprus, intensify bombing/destruction of Turkmens) not to say if it so much as gives Russia a pretext for legal, justified attack anywhere (Turkey crossing into Syria air or land, Black sea region, .. They will unleash the full might of Russian army)"

Appleyard:
Some people just holla when they hear the term '' stealth '' as if it makes you totally invisible to the enemy. If Iran could shoot down am Isreali stealth drone and also commandeered and captured a US stealth drone, i wonder how the F-22 can survive against the S400 that is also meant to defend against stealthyness. Not to mention that the Russians are far superior to Iran in terms of cyber and missile capability.

But not to digress, alarm bells are now ringing in Turkey for obvious reasons. I just hope Russia doesnt take things too high for the sake of peace.

all4naija:

Not just violated but twice within a very short time. The downing happened after ten-time warning! You don't have to blame Turkey here. For your information, the area is not even ISIS safe haven!

Shymm3x:
Putin's Speech:

This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey.

Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists.

Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe.

We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.

NairaMinted:


So the freedom fighters in this area that do this are what then?

Tkester:



Pooh is getting real.

Mr Putin has already declared a no fly zone in Syria.

Again don't mess with Vlad

all4naija:

They are moderate rebels!

Tkester:



Pooh is getting real.

Mr Putin has already declared a no fly zone in Syria.

Again don't mess with Vlad

rexbuton:
can someone tell me wen UK downed a russian jet?

NairaMinted:


And what is their group called?

all4naija:

Do you even listen to yourself for once? Al Assad is incumbent!

bonechamberlain:
young man I listen to myself, you should be the one to read what you are about to quote carefully, before rushing to quote.

the last post u quoted was "let Syrians decide" then ur reply was "its like saying let the oppressed be forced to vote al Assad, so how is that quote related to Turkish airspace being violated by Russia, pls if u can't comprehend, good night.

all4naija:

Smh... Possibly you are the one who missed what I am talking about. How can Syrians be allowed to decide when they are oppressed by the regime for long helplessly?

NairaMinted:

Erdogan in 2012: Brief Airspace Violations Can't Be Pretext for Attack



Turkey has cited airspace violations as its justification for shooting down a Russian Su-24 bomber on Tuesday. But only three years ago, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan specifically stated that such actions should "never be a pretext for an attack."

In response to the downing of a Russian bomber by Turkish fighter jets on Tuesday, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan insisted that the military’s actions were justified.

"We did not want this situation to happen, but everybody has to respect Turkey’s right to defend its borders," he told reporters, adding that the military’s actions were "fully in line with Turkey’s rules of engagement."

Yet, three years ago, Erdogan had somewhat different thoughts on the matter.

In 2012, Ankara accused Syria of shooting down a Turkish F-4 Phantom. That plane crash-landed in the Mediterranean after veering into Syrian airspace. In response, an outraged Erdogan lambasted the Syrian military for acting in haste.

"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he told Parliament at the time.

The Russian Ministry of Defense released video earlier on Tuesday which proves the Russian aircraft never entered Turkish airspace. But even if we take Ankara at its word, a leaked letter to the United Nations Security Council reveals that Turkish authorities justified their actions based on a 17-second airspace violation.

Surely Erdogan would consider 17 seconds "short-term."

The Turkish justification also appears hypocritical given the fact that Turkey’s own military planes have violated Greek airspace repeatedly over the last few years. Less than two weeks ago, Greek defense officials reported eight Turkish fighter jets entering Greek airspace, conducting a total of 19 transgressions.

These incidents have increased dramatically since 2013, and in 2014, alone, Turkey entered Greek airspace a total of 1,017 times.

The Russian Su-24M Fencer bomber was shot down Tuesday morning while conducting legitimate operations over Syria, where Moscow has been targeting the self-proclaimed Islamic State terrorist group.

The two pilots ejected, and while the fate of one remains unclear, Russian officials confirm that the other was killed by ground fire from local militant groups.

Russian President Vladimir Putin called the incident a "stab in the back, carried out against us by accomplices of terrorists."

bonechamberlain:
who instigated the violence and caused the refugee situation in Syria, answer this question first

Ogbeche77:
Pass me the ganja rastaman sukkot

all4naija:

That policy has been changed for sometime over a year or thereabout. The Turkey PM made that clear for sometime in the past to protect its nation borders against any encroachment from Assad army or supporters. I think Russia is right aware of that. So stop shipping in irrelevant information.

NairaMinted:


Irrelevant you say? And the policy has been reviewed over the years hasn't it? Ok then!
Should Turkish aircraft stray momentarily into Syria airspace, they are good game right?

all4naija:

It is clearly Al Assad who refuses to leave power!

bonechamberlain:
so al Assad should leave power because the u.s and its allies don't want him. sponsoring and arming criminals and terrorists to overthrow a sovereign govt.

now it has back fired as those useless criminals they sponsored some are now isis, who is now dealing with the west using terrorism.

oga al Assad is going no where until Syria decides not America and its sponsored terrorist.

you don't know what that war in Syria is about.

all4naija:

It is not ISIS. It is referred to as Turkmen brigade.

all4naija:

He has to go because he is a dictator. He doesn't own the country. Please...!

NairaMinted:


So it's ok for these Turkmen Brigade "moderates" to machine gun pilots as they eject out of their planes? Is that what moderates do?

bonechamberlain:
that should be for Syrians to decide, America cannot declare who is a dictator or who isn't especially when the person doesn't serve their interest.

all4naija:

Turkmen brigade claims Russia has been violating the border and firing on villages in that area with likely casualties.