mzilakazi:



SOUTH AFRICA didn't help to help put pressure against military rule, that's under reporting; SOUTH AFRICA FREED YOU AND UNSHACKLE YOUR CHAINS OF 800 YEARS OF MECHANTILE SLAVERY.

what a graceless way to own up to your petty lies and your intellectual bankruptcy and factual impairment.

Bwahaha.

agaugust:


Bwahaha

Inferior + Obsolete SANDF needs to build DURING BATTLE a bride to cross water in modern day year 2015 !!!

During speed advance, hot pursuit, retreat, or quick intervention/rapid response situations, there will be NO time to start building a bridge during an ongoing battle !

SANDF is a dry land only army.....Nigeria has about 500 amphibious armoured APCs and IFVs....your SANDF is inferior and obsolete.

Explain to me Augustine, so Nigeria only fights wars with LAVs? what happens when your opponent has a proper armoured force? and there is a water obstruction? Are you only going to send in your LAVs to take on Tanks??

What are you going to do when roads are flooded? How are you going to get your Tanks, Artillery ect ect from point A to B? Or are your Tanks amphibious to?

Lastly it could takes us mere minutes to build a bridge depending on the size of the obstruction.

agaugust:


[s] have answered your question again and again.

1. Nigerian training includes both land, air, sea and amphibious ops all combined. We are different from your army that is stuck on dry land.

2. The Rugby stadium tactics of SANDF is NOT fluid, it is static with set piece low mobility, it lacks fluidity needed in modern day warfare.

3. Also the SANDF training lacks the high speed mobility needed to defeat modern day fast paced asymmetric warfare. Your army war games training has ZERO asymmetric component.

I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AND PROVED MY FACTS RIGHT WITH THE ABOVE.

5. Training > Experience you keep saying....but Nigeria has both, you have only one, we have the two. NA outclasses SANDF with that.

SANDF is a paper tiger, that is why AU and UN cannot trust you to lead any mission, Tanzanian army is your boss in Congo[/s]

A history lesson for the petulant child:

In retrospect, the South African national strategy was brilliant..... the SADF decisively defeated, and reduced to a bare minimum, the ability of SWAPO to threaten SWA. But the South Africans did not rely on just these black units, highly trained and cohesive as they were. Periodically, the South African Army “mowed the grass” against SWAPO bases and concentrations in southern Angola. Extraordinarily effective mechanized infantry and light and medium-weight armored vehicles, supported by field artillery units whose G5 and G6 155mm cannon were the most effective in the world at the time, repeatedly annihilated SWAPO units and destroyed SWAPO base camps.

The doctrine developed in that war, as well as lessons learnt are being combined with the latest technology and equipment and applied every year... and practiced continually until them men are a well honed sword waiting to strike.

We fight insurgencies and conventional wars at the same time and same place and show our skill at both!

lezz:
Since the SANDF is doing worse.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-33889/
Sixty-two percent of SANDF facilities in unacceptable condition

Oh I see you wanna go this route. https://www.nairaland.com/2407717/see-condition-3-battalion-nigerian
It seems yours are in worse condition.

snydergp1st:


Oh I see you wanna go this route.
https://www.nairaland.com/2407717/see-condition-3-battalion-nigerian

It seems yours are in worse condition.

what could be worse that 63% run down facilities for a country that claims to be a first world country


Fallacy.

Patchesagain:


1. You did not do that to Biafra - and your amphib ops in that war were all complete failures
1a. Such an operation does not fit our doctrine or the political situation at the time.

Also, Nigeria has not amphibious warfare capabilities either - or do you have a secret landing amphibious dock we dont know about

2.Ok
New british IFV/APC
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/scout-specialist-vehicle/

American wheeled IFV - not amphib
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker

Latest Bradley IFV upgrades removed Amphibious capabilities
http://www.g2mil.com/bradley.htm

What you fail to realize is that amphibious vehicles dont have proper armor, light armor means easy to kill. Since Nigeria has no real warfighting experience you do not yet know this, and since your units are expected to fight without support (because you lack training) your men are expected to cross rivers by themselves.

Water obsticles can be crossed with bridges. Dead soldiers cant be fixed.

You still using another Wikipedia as source again....Desperate in defeat....that source goes into garbage with all you wrote there.

Less armour for amphibious vehicle? BTR-4, BTR-3, Cobra, VBL, Mbombe, Ratel, Badger, all have same level ballistic protection on their hulls you dummy !

British Marines have Viking amphibious armoured vehicles.

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/the-equipment/commando/vehicles


US Army has over 5,000 M113 amphibious armoured vehicles.

US Marines have over 1,000 AAVP-7A1 amphibious armored vehicles.

US Marines have over 400 LAV-25 amphibious IFVs

US Marines has just bought a new generation amphibious armoured vehicle to add thousands more to their amphibious current fleet...

http://news.yahoo.com/u-marines-set-announce-combat-vehicle-contract-223133818--finance.html

I have not humiliiated y.ou enough today Patrick ?


Patches , SANDF does NOT rank among modern armies with balanced war capacity, you have a dry land only army

Nigerian army has terrain operational superiority over SANDF
.

jln115:

Explain to me Augustine, so Nigeria only fights wars with LAVs? what happens when your opponent has a proper armoured force? and there is a water obstruction? Are you only going to send in your LAVs to take on Tanks??

What are you going to do when roads are flooded? How are you going to get your Tanks, Artillery ect ect from point A to B? Or are your Tanks amphibious to?

Lastly it could takes us mere minutes to build a bridge depending on the size of the obstruction.

How many minutes precisely? 30 minutes is also minutes. The enemy needs only one minute to bombard SANDF with cannon fire while your helpless SANDF is trapped at the waterside, Nigerian army will BURY SANDF inside the river !

Olodo boy, Nigeria has armoured amphibious Sagaie tank destroyers for fighting tanks after amphibious crossing.

SANDF has inferior operational capability, NA is your boss.

Patchesagain:


If you wish to claim the facts are wrong then post facts of your own.

You said we do not conduct Brigade level combat operations - I gave you a list of around 30 of them.

Wikipedia is NOT an acceptable source here, you have been caught deleting and falsifying Wikipedia information many time.

SANDF has NEVER and will NEVER deploy a full brigade into battle, you do NOT have that capacity yet. NA is your master in big wars.

agaugust:


Wikipedia is NOT an acceptable source here, you have been caught deleting and falsifying Wikipedia information many time.

SANDF has NEVER and will NEVER deploy a full brigade into battle, you do NOT have that capacity yet. NA is your master in big wars.

We deployed full brigade in Angola.

Nigeria has never fought against any country. What do you know about big wars?

lezz:
you mean civil rule. ANC has been in affairs for 21 years despite massive failure in military and economy.

What do you say about Nigeria's insurgency since the advent of democracy? Suicide bombings has also become the order of the day. Don't you think ANC is 100% better?

Patchesagain:


Do you know what the K2 Black Panther is?

Anyway, you said that you would choose T-72 over K2 yes?

And no, Armata does not outclass any of its contemporaries.

stop advertising ur pure lust over the K2 tank.. we don't care

lezz:
what could be worse that 63% run down facilities for a country that claims to be a first world country


Fallacy.

With all the fallacy but still SA is still far ahead with infrastructure as compared with out fake giant of africa.

jln115:

Explain to me Augustine, so Nigeria only fights wars with LAVs? what happens when your opponent has a proper armoured force? and there is a water obstruction? Are you only going to send in your LAVs to take on Tanks??

What are you going to do when roads are flooded? How are you going to get your Tanks, Artillery ect ect from point A to B? Or are your Tanks amphibious to?

Lastly it could takes us mere minutes to build a bridge depending on the size of the obstruction.

so if you were situated in W/Africa you'll construct bridges over Lake Chad abi.... your foolishness is Spectacular.

lezz:
South Africa's total democracy time =21 years. 1994 to 2015

Nigeria's total democracy time= 26 years.

1960 to 1966 until military interruption.
1979 to 1983 until mmilitary interruption
1999 to present.

Once again empty lies and ego tripping.

Don't give us the list of psedo-democracy because you only experienced true democracy in 1999.

lionel4power:
so if you were situated in W/Africa you'll construct bridges over Lake Chad abi.... your foolishness is Spectacular.

Uhm and im guessing you guys would just sail over lake Chad with your Cobra??

[b] Major General Daniel Mofokeng, head of SANDF
Foreign Relations, said >>> Nigeria was in the forefront
in the struggle against apartheid and that the country
made huge sacrifices for the liberation of South
Africa from minority rule.<<<<

Nigeria supported the then Frontline States
organisation, which was established to achieve
democratic majority rule in South Africa. Former members included
Angola, Botswana, Lesotho, Mozambique, Tanzania, Zambia and
Zimbabwe. According to the South African Institute of International
Affairs, Namibia contributed an estimated US$61 billion towards the
anti-apartheid effort between the 1980s and 1994.
>>>× Nigeria played a pivotal role in establishing the United Nations
Special Committee against Apartheid in the 1960s while ordinary
Nigerians contributed financially to the anti-apartheid movement,
especially in reaction to the 1976 Soweto uprisings.<<<
Mofokeng said that Nigeria also offered military training and support
to assist the African National Congress. According to him, Nigeria's
gesture helped shore up relations between Abuja and Pretoria.

>>>> It assisted and
trained our cadre, our students and military students then. So I must
say the cooperation between the two has been very great indeed".<<<

now read this TWICE>>>

>>> "The Nigerian Armed Forces' very intimidating credentials, in terms of
its military professionalism, is exemplified by its role in Liberia, Sierra
Leone and most recently, in Ivory Coast," <<<

Nigeria's Defence Adviser to
South Africa, Commodore Jacob Ajani told the Voice of Nigeria
>>> "In most international fora you find out that it comes easily that
Nigeria takes the frontline by way of providing leadership.<<<
We have
provided many force commandants for the United Nations' peace
keeping missions and the Africa Union as well."
[/b]

lol this article is like a thorn on all SA sides :p :p :p Nigerians didn't write this article oooo... your leaders wrote it

lionel4power:
so if you were situated in W/Africa you'll construct bridges over Lake Chad abi.... your foolishness is Spectacular.

Yep, for as long as there are enough blocks /pieces, we can.

lezz:
what could be worse that 63% run down facilities for a country that claims to be a first world country


Fallacy.

Why don't you post the report where N12bn went missing that should've been used for police and army barrack upgrades.

lionel4power:
[b] Major General Daniel Mofokeng, head of SANDF
Foreign Relations, said Nigeria was in the forefront
in the struggle against apartheid and that the country
made huge sacrifices for the liberation of South
Africa from minority rule.
Nigeria supported the then Frontline States
organisation, which was established to achieve
democratic majority rule in South Africa. Former members included
Angola, Botswana, Lesotho, Mozambique, Tanzania, Zambia and
Zimbabwe. According to the South African Institute of International
Affairs, Namibia contributed an estimated US$61 billion towards the
anti-apartheid effort between the 1980s and 1994.
Nigeria played a pivotal role in establishing the United Nations
Special Committee against Apartheid in the 1960s while ordinary
Nigerians contributed financially to the anti-apartheid movement,
especially in reaction to the 1976 Soweto uprisings.
Mofokeng said that Nigeria also offered military training and support
to assist the African National Congress. According to him, Nigeria's
gesture helped shore up relations between Abuja and Pretoria.

It assisted and
trained our cadre, our students and military students then. So I must
say the cooperation between the two has been very great indeed".
"The Nigerian Armed Forces' very intimidating credentials, in terms of
its military professionalism, is exemplified by its role in Liberia, Sierra
Leone and most recently, in Ivory Coast," Nigeria's Defence Adviser to
South Africa, Commodore Jacob Ajani told the Voice of Nigeria
"In most international fora you find out that it comes easily that
Nigeria takes the frontline by way of providing leadership. We have
provided many force commandants for the United Nations' peace
keeping missions and the Africa Union as well."
[/b]

lol this article is like a those on all SA sides :p :p :p

We praise and flatter any country that visit SA for diplomatic purpose. In reality all African countries were in support of global anti-apartheid campaign .

jln115:

Uhm and im guessing you guys would just sail over lake Chad with your Cobra??

yep Jap.... that's exactly what a Cobra can do... you see how superior we are now?

agaugust:


How many minutes precisely? 30 minutes is also minutes. The enemy needs only one minute to bombard SANDF with cannon fire while your helpless SANDF is trapped at the waterside, Nigerian army will BURY SANDF inside the river !

Olodo boy, Nigeria has armoured amphibious Sagaie tank destroyers for fighting tanks after amphibious crossing.

SANDF has inferior operational capability, NA is your boss.

Dude how fast do your vehicles travel on water?? 8km if your lucky, the same speed that a person walks! Your pretty much in the same boat as we are!!

Secondly your Sagaie can barely be called a Tank destroyer, hell you would struggle to destroy a T55 with its 90mm gun never mind a T72 or even worse a Olifant MK1B/2.

lionel4power:
yep Jap.... that's exactly what a Cobra can do... you see how superior we are now?

Yet it will be very vulnerable. One mortar attack, it will sink without returning fire.

mzilakazi:


We praise and flatter any country that visit SA for diplomatic purpose. In reality all African countries were in support of global anti-apartheid campaign .

It assisted and
trained our cadre, our students and military students then. So I
must
say the cooperation between the two has been very great indeed".
.
.
that is beyond just flattery... for a general to say another country trained it's forces.
so we actually trained those southes... we trained their general, which then trained col. Eben barrow.

lionel4power:
yep Jap.... that's exactly what a Cobra can do... you see how superior we are now?

Ok cool, you guys sail over lake Chad, we will drive around and wait for you on the other side!!

mzilakazi:


Yet it will be very vulnerable. One mortar attack, it will sink without returning fire.

-what is Air cover
- what is the mi-24/35 hind
-what is alpha jet?

agaugust:


How many minutes precisely? 30 minutes is also minutes. The enemy needs only one minute to bombard SANDF with cannon fire while your helpless SANDF is trapped at the waterside, Nigerian army will BURY SANDF inside the river !

Olodo boy, Nigeria has armoured amphibious Sagaie tank destroyers for fighting tanks after amphibious crossing.

SANDF has inferior operational capability, NA is your boss.

This amphibious nonsense is actually a blunder because once the whole fleet floats it will be completely exposed to danger and its destination will be in mercy of the enermy. I truly do not believe in that nonsense.

jln115:

Ok cool, you guys sail over lake Chad, we will drive around and wait for you on the other side!!

then you've lost the initiative.
we attack you with artillery..

jln115:

Dude how fast do your vehicles travel on water?? 8km if your lucky, the same speed that a person walks! Your pretty much in the same boat as we are!!

Secondly your Sagaie can barely be called a Tank destroyer, hell you would struggle to destroy a T55 with its 90mm gun never mind a T72 or even worse a Olifant MK1B/2.

how did the Ratel destroy Angolan T-55s

mzilakazi:


This amphibious nonsense is actually a blunder because once the whole fleet floats it will be completely exposed to danger and its destination will be in mercy of the enermy. I truly do not believe in that nonsense.

What you believe does not matter bro....

lionel4power:

then you've lost the initiative.
we attack you with artillery..

What would be the difference if we were sailing over water or driving over land when it comes to Artillery bombardment? When did Artillery rounds become hydrophobic?

lionel4power:
-what is Air cover
- what is the mi-24/35 hind
-what is alpha jet?

You know well that Nigeria's military most weakest link is its air wing. With portable vshorads you will explode all the air fleet and simply take pleasure at sinking their so called amphibious cobras with mortar and MGL.

lionel4power:
how did the Ratel destroy Angolan T-55s

By hitting it precisely were the turret and the body of the tank came together, if you hit the T55 anywhere else the round would not penetrate, then its bye bye Ratel, That's why we never ever used our Ratel as a Tank destroyer exp for the ZT3 ATGM version of course.