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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:23am On Nov 26, 2015
Dadehmola:


He must be a Foool then..

Useless players have started hiding under the rubbish Possession Footie LVG is serving us.

If the "Philosophy" is as conservative as the want us to believe, Valencia will be the captain of the side.

I am just tired of the whole thing. If we play like this against Leicester we will be beaten badly. That's a ruthless team when they attack and very clinical in finishing.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:29am On Nov 26, 2015
weedtaker:
And dat cut_back pass was the only contribution rooney made for the team apart from the long pass he always spreads to the right hand side. i don't know if you really read nd understand what i wrote there, see me see wahala o, na only rooney i blame?? I said the 3attackers behind our no.9 are all sh¡t. Depay Rooney lingaard.. Tell me how i take shift blame??
The martial who won PL player of the month of september would've scored if not for PSV's goalie exceptional saves, i don't need to tell you the difference between missing a goal and saving a goal.. he (martial) was our only attacking threat last night. The other 3 behind him were all shyte.

The cut back pass was not the only contribution, some other good moves made by Rooney were stalled in the feet of Lingard and Memphis their poor decision making and amateurish football.

Martial efforts were poor. He used to spread his body and then force the keeper to step while he picks the opposite angle. This time he shot straight with little confidence like the occasion was bigger than him. His decision to pass twice or thrice instead of shooting were unlike him.

It's not always good to criticize your best player so as not to kill his confidence but your analysis was wrong.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:30am On Nov 26, 2015

Fussbot is always peeping after every match.

You be robot?

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 8:33am On Nov 26, 2015
Our team just depicts a Hot nigga, dancing round an Olosho when he should be penetrating the condus.

If we play like this on Saturday. ... We might just be helping Leicester extend their stay on the 1st position.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:34am On Nov 26, 2015
tess1:


Bringing in Fellaini for Schweini was a wrong move. Fellaini cannot control the midfield as Schweini. The midfield collapsed after that sub.

He brought in Young which brought life to that LWF. He later sub Darmian and moved young who was lively on the LWF to the RB which also killed any chance of creating something from LWF. He disorganized the whole system with his subs and rearrangement.

There were times when Fellaini was caught between going forward and staying in the midfield. He`ll head when he`s supposed to chest the ball.

But Fellaini always did well when he came on for Schweinsteiger, yesterday was just an exception. There was no way Gaal would know Fellaini would not improve us.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Chestar5(f): 8:38am On Nov 26, 2015
elampiro:

It's in Germany.
hmmmnnnn, i dont know what to say sef but man u will win cool
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 8:40am On Nov 26, 2015
I still don't get the reason why people are blaming van gaal Philosophy for united's lack of goal return, no be united embark on 6winning streak last season twice?? Our attackers dis season are simply not up to par, wingers can't deliver excellent crosses nd beat dia men the way young and di maria did last season, blind taking corner kicks says alot about that. I don't need to argue much further, just get ordinary sadio mane to man the right wing and young to mount the left wing make we see weda goals no go show, man.utd attacking trio of depay rooney and lingard isn't better than any of the epls top 4teams attackers not to talk of that of the elite teams in europe, sterling silva de bruyne, hazard willian pedro, sanchez ozil walcott, heck they are not even better than milner coutinho and lallana. Stop all dis van gaal is a fool nd pray for the team to get players lyk aubamayang and greizman.. Even Gaitan
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Fussbot: 8:44am On Nov 26, 2015
elampiro:

Fussbot is always peeping after every match.

You be robot?

lol

am not a robot..used to be active here,but commenting just seem like a Sisyphean task these days..laziness maybe?more so ,there is no way someone on the thread won't touch part of the things I would like to say, such is the level of intellectual prowess we have on the thread.. well done to you guys..

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 8:44am On Nov 26, 2015
@elampiro I don`t really know the circumstances in which he came in in those matches but when that subs was about to be made i knew it was a wrong move because Fellaini cannot play in that midfield the way Schweini will. Fellaini isn`t as mobile as Schweini and and he`s only good at shot passes and slower.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:46am On Nov 26, 2015
Chestar5:


hmmmnnnn, i dont know what to say sef but man u will win cool

A big hug.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 8:50am On Nov 26, 2015
elampiro:


The cut back pass was not the only contribution, some other good moves made by Rooney were stalled in the feet of Lingard and Memphis their poor decision making and amateurish football.

Martial efforts were poor. He used to spread his body and then force the keeper to step while he picks the opposite angle. This time he shot straight with little confidence like the occasion was bigger than him. His decision to pass twice or thrice instead of shooting were unlike him.

It's not always good to criticize your best player so as not to kill his confidence but your analysis was wrong.
na you sabi.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 8:55am On Nov 26, 2015
tess1:
@elampiro I don`t really know the circumstances in which he came in in those matches but when that subs was about to be made i knew it was a wrong move because Fellaini cannot play in that midfield the way Schweini will. Fellaini isn`t as mobile as Schweini and and he`s only good at shot passes and slower.
Don't think Fellaini for Bastian was wrong since Bastian was hanging unto the ball, I believe change in formation without the right players for it caused the confusion. This is where Carrick is better, though slow but more creative with his passes.

I'm even surprised we are complaining of lack of goals when we're using 2 DM and expecting them to be creative. And then you've a team with no CF on the bench to be called upon angry
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 8:59am On Nov 26, 2015
chrisley024:
Don't think Fellaini for Bastian was wrong since Bastian was hanging unto the ball. This is where Carrick is better, though slow but more creative with his passes.

I'm even surprised we are complaining of lack of goals when we're using 2 DM and expecting them to be creative.
schweini is not a Defensive Midfielder.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by A40(m): 9:00am On Nov 26, 2015
elrony:
Our team just depicts a Hot nigga, dancing round an Olosho when he should be penetrating the condus.

If we play like this on Saturday. ... We might just be helping Leicester extend their stay on the 1st position.
Bwahahahaha
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 9:04am On Nov 26, 2015
chrisley024:
Don't think Fellaini for Bastian was wrong since Bastian was hanging unto the ball. This is where Carrick is better, though slow but more creative with his passes.

I'm even surprised we are complaining of lack of goals when we're using 2 DM and expecting them to be creative.

And the midfield collapsed totally when he was subbed.

Schweini was holding on to the ball because there was no sharp/fast movement from those three behind the striker to create space. He should have first brought on Young for Memphis and see if things would improve before thinking it`s actually Schweini`s problem.

They loss a lot of the balls after that sub. I just pray Herrera is available when we go to Germany.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 9:10am On Nov 26, 2015
Lingard definitely has to improve his finishing else he will be sold.

It's a shame Memphis is playing this way. I wouldn't mind tho if the chances falling Lingard's way were to Memphis instead cuz I know he'll score most of them.

I didn't see the game but I think Bastian deserve some rest, how many 90' under his belt already? Where's that Carrick who should be interchanging with him for freshness sef? Disappointing!

We should buy Mane in January, target Neymar, Bale & Ronaldo (one or two) in the summer & surely sign Kondogbia to replace Carrick!

Team Complete!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mourinholic(m): 9:14am On Nov 26, 2015
Make I no just talk................. Anyway that performance was horrible
Van gaal and his wife probably pass the cup 20 times between themselves at dinner table before drinking

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 9:14am On Nov 26, 2015
weedtaker:
schweini is not a Defensive Midfielder.
he's less mobile at this his age, not attacking and needs a mobile box to box pair not Schneiderlin.

Pairing him with Herrera might be okay where he's plays as the holding/defensive midfielder and Herrera as the box to box or Schneiderlin/Herrera.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mourinholic(m): 9:16am On Nov 26, 2015
SailorXY:
target Neymar, Bale & Ronaldo (one or two) in the summer

Team Complete!

O leeri
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Odunharry(m): 9:16am On Nov 26, 2015
Wolfsburg: STILL IN THE HUNT (need a point against Man Utd, can lose if PSV fail to beat CSKA)

Manchester United: STILL IN THE HUNT (need a win to guarantee their place, can draw if PSV draw or lose against CSKA, can lose if PSV lose)

PSV: STILL IN THE HUNT (a win guarantees their place, can draw if Man Utd lose to Wolfsburg)

CSKA Moscow: KNOCKED OUT (need to beat PSV to qualify for Europa League)
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:19am On Nov 26, 2015
weedtaker:
I still don't get the reason why people are blaming van gaal Philosophy for united's lack of goal return, no be united embark on 6winning streak last season twice?? Our attackers dis season are simply not up to par, wingers can't deliver excellent crosses nd beat dia men the way young and di maria did last season, blind taking corner kicks says alot about that. I don't need to argue much further, just get ordinary sadio mane to man the right wing and young to mount the left wing make we see weda goals no go show, man.utd attacking trio of depay rooney and lingard isn't better than any of the epls top 4teams attackers not to talk of that of the elite teams in europe, sterling silva de bruyne, hazard willian pedro, sanchez ozil walcott, heck they are not even better than milner coutinho and lallana. Stop all dis van gaal is a fool nd pray for the team to get players lyk aubamayang and greizman.. Even Gaitan

Last season we went on winning streak twice. One in December and another towards the end of the season. The second one was like this:

4-14-1

--------------DDG

Val - Smalling - Jones - Blind

--------------Carrick

Mata - Herrera - Fellaini - Young

--------------Rooney.


We played a high line defence and pushed forward to ensure sustained pressure. When we attack we had only Smalling and Jones as defenders with Jones doubling up as a sweeper in the vacuum in the left back as Blind pushed forward to form a triangle with Young and Fellaini. Valencia's pace meant he could quickly recover to help the thin defence. Another triangle is formed on the right with Val, Herrera and Mata. Passes were intelligent as we hardly lost possession. Rooney acting as a hold up striker and dragging the Centre Backs away. It's a different formation now and with different players. I think the problem started when Carrick and Jones got injured same week we were to face Chelsea. Our back lost its solidity and midfield lost its structure.

Around December we went on a run too when the beat Arsenal at Emirate and Liverpool at Anfield. We went many matches unbeaten. But Di Maria was part of it. We used different formations. Also Rooney and Van Persie. Rooney playing either in central midfield or number 10 behind two strikers.

One thing about these two periods was that Valencia played a vital role in stabilizing our ball retention, giving a shield to the thin back line with his ability to retract quickly, and helping to provide some bursting forward while drawing one or two players away from Mata and Herrera.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Keky(m): 9:22am On Nov 26, 2015
SailorXY:
Lingard definitely has to improve his finishing else he will be sold.

It's a shame Memphis is playing this way. I wouldn't mind tho if the chances falling Lingard's way were to Memphis instead cuz I know he'll score most of them.

I didn't see the game but I think Bastian deserve some rest, how many 90' under his belt already? Where's that Carrick who should be interchanging with him for freshness sef? Disappointing!

We should buy Mane in January, target Neymar, Bale & Ronaldo (one or two) in the summer & surely sign Kondogbia to replace Carrick!

Team Complete!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:28am On Nov 26, 2015
tess1:
@elampiro I don`t really know the circumstances in which he came in in those matches but when that subs was about to be made i knew it was a wrong move because Fellaini cannot play in that midfield the way Schweini will. Fellaini isn`t as mobile as Schweini and and he`s only good at shot passes and slower.

I think you are right. The other time he came on, we still had one of Carrick, Schweinsteiger or Herrera on the pitch.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 9:28am On Nov 26, 2015
chrisley024:
he's less mobile at this his age, not attacking and needs a mobile box to box pair not Schneiderlin.

Pairing him with Herrera might be okay where he's plays as the holding/defensive midfielder and Herrera as the box to box or Schneiderlin/Herrera.
schweini can't protect our back 4, he has no pace, nd he's not that strong like he used to be, A 3 man midfield of Herrera schneirdelin schweinstiger in a 4.3.3 formation would be the ideal set up.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:31am On Nov 26, 2015
chrisley024:
Don't think Fellaini for Bastian was wrong since Bastian was hanging unto the ball, I believe change in formation without the right players for it caused the confusion. This is where Carrick is better, though slow but more creative with his passes.

I'm even surprised we are complaining of lack of goals when we're using 2 DM and expecting them to be creative. And then you've a team with no CF on the bench to be called upon angry

We were able to beat CSKA because Carrick sensed the urgency of time running out, then he was going for more direct risky passes instead of normal passes. He looked up, spotted Lingard movement and he dropped the ball behind the defender in the box. Talk about experience.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 9:36am On Nov 26, 2015
weedtaker:
schweini can't protect our back 4, he has no pace, nd he's not that strong like he used to be, A 3 man midfield of Herrera schneirdelin schweinstiger in a 4.3.3 formation would be the ideal set up.
Carrick is neither and he does it besides Herrera helps in defending. It should be not against every team like top teams or attacking ones but against those that sit back.

We don't have the attack for 433, where are the 3 forward players?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:39am On Nov 26, 2015
Anderson of 2008 would have made fun of that midfield yesterday with amount of space left wide open to penetrate with bursting forward runs. It's surprising a young man like Sneiderlin cannot travel with the ball even 20 yards. We need variety of players for different occasions not only those who can pass.

Even Ashley Young would have utilized those spaces, not to talk of Valencia. Imagine, Smalling became our Ramirez yesterday. Except he's limited once he gets close to the final third.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 9:39am On Nov 26, 2015
Odunharry:
Wolfsburg: STILL IN THE HUNT (need a point
against Man Utd, can lose if PSV fail to beat
CSKA)


Manchester United: STILL IN THE HUNT
(need a win to guarantee their place, can
draw if PSV draw or lose against CSKA, can
lose if PSV lose)


PSV: STILL IN THE HUNT (a win guarantees
their place, can draw if Man Utd lose to
Wolfsburg)


CSKA Moscow: KNOCKED OUT (need to beat
PSV to qualify for Europa League)
All these ones add to dropped standard jare. The predictable days of Man United this Wolfburg no go chop less than 3-0 in must-win fixture.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 9:41am On Nov 26, 2015
elampiro:


Last season we went on winning streak twice. One in December and another towards the end of the season. The second one was like this:

4-14-1

--------------DDG

Val - Smalling - Jones - Blind

--------------Carrick

Mata - Herrera - Fellaini - Young

--------------Rooney.
if you take a look at this line up, we've got a whooping 5creative players in Mata herrera young carrick and blind, i'm quite convinced dat none of this players i mentioned 've played together this season, not to talk of playing in the position we saw them play last season. Our attackers are the ones killing us, not the philosophy.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 9:45am On Nov 26, 2015
chrisley024:
Carrick is neither and he does it besides Herrera helps in defending. It should be not against every team like top teams or attacking ones but against those that sit back.

We don't have the attack for 433, where are the 3 forward players?
there lies the teams problem.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 9:45am On Nov 26, 2015
elampiro:
Anderson of 2008 would have made fun of that midfield yesterday with amount of space left wide open to penetrate with bursting forward runs. It's surprising a young man like Sneiderlin cannot travel with the ball even 20 yards. We need variety of players for different occasions not only those who can pass.
Was about the roles of each player. It is the role of Bastian to move with the ball and Morgan to shield the back, and besides these players have their attributes.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 9:47am On Nov 26, 2015
chrisley024:
Carrick is neither and he does it besides Herrera helps in defending. It should be not against every team like top teams or attacking ones but against those that sit back.

We don't have the attack for 433, where are the 3 forward players?
With the right midfield set up (three midfielders - not this nonsense LvG talk of having another striker behind the CF), we can be very effective.
Play Rooney on the right where he won't have the chance to always play useless diagonal passes to the right, instead he'll play it into the middle where it can be useful.
Play Young to the left
Play Martial in the center.

Young & Martial interchanging during the game but Rooney stays on the right wing permanently!

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