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Teempakguy:
hmmn . . . how do i explain this . . .

Newton didn't invent gravity. of course. he invented the "theory of gravity."
that's the point I'm trying to pass here. "theories." are explanations or unification or descriptions of something else entirely. as we all know, newton's theory of gravity doesn't actually work well. instead the newer theory, of general relativity, is being used to describe gravity. That alone tips off that it is an invention. since it can be replaced and/or upgraded. a discovery, such as the discovery of a new element, is not subject to things like that.

a theory is very much like an actual tool, such as a hammer or a screw driver. only it's composed of ideas and equations. since we don't refer to tangible tools as discoveries, i doubt we can refer to theories as such.

in fact, most theories are born out of constant thinking, prototyping, and testing.. in very much the same manner as real tools. and they fail sometimes. like real tools . . . the list is endless.

MrLeno:
The last guy sorta looks like that bad Doctor/Scientist in the series "The Flash"

MathsChic:
No, I disagree. Observe, it's called the "theory" of relativity. Scientists don't invent theories. They study and observe nature, then they come to a conclusion that explains the situation somewhat. Others can come along in the future to refine the theory. Would you say Newton "invented" gravity? No, he discovered it. Gravity has always existed even before Newton. So has relativity.

Calculus is a tool, so you are right in saying that was invented by Newton (and Leibniz). It's a beautiful tool with which to analyse results. It existed in some variation in "limits" which had always been known to earlier scientists.

Teempakguy:
Quick! who invented the theory of relativity?



You smirk and reel out his name. Albert Einstein of course. that . . . irrevocable Genius. well, no problem then.

Quick! who founded Quantum theory? hehehe. well, no. It's not einstein.

so, I thought i should just Talk about Five Scientists which i think deserve more attention than we're giving them now.


James Clerk maxwell.

https://www.royalsoced.org.uk/cms/images/maxwell/maxwell.jpg

This brilliant physicist derived the Maxwell equations. a set of equations that properly unify the entire behavior of electricity and magnetism. your computer, wires, and a host of other electrical and magnetic items work on the principles of the equations he derived. he is frequently listed as the third most influential physicist. and with good reason. you totally should know this guy. and if you can, Learn his equations!

Max Planck.

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1918/planck.jpg


This was the guy who founded quantum mechanics. interestingly, when he wanted to study physics, he was told by the professor, "almost everything in this field has been discovered."
max later went on to derive the fact that energy is quantized. that it came in discreet packages. he has the planck constant named after him, and he made significant contributions to the study of the behavior of black bodies.


Gottfried Leibniz

https://history-computer.com/People/images/Gottfried_Wilhelm_von_Leibniz.jpg



This guy invented calculus independently of newton. he wrote several philosophical treatises on life and the universe. he also refined the binary counting system, worked on calculators and made several contributions to science. the notation, dy/dx was actually HIS work. not newton's.


Neil degrasse tyson

https://hauntedskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/neil_planets12b_dj1_sq-1504dd4c3a426094e11380aa1375a75dc1ece875.jpg

This man . . . is proof that skin means nothing. neil is a black astrophysicist, cosmologist, and science communicator. he is 57 years old. and he is the director of the Hayden planetarium in new york and he hosts several radio and tv shows, meant to sensitize the public to the mysteries and science. he is a well rounded individual and a really . . . really funny guy. you can follow him on twitter and you can also read his book, titled, death by black hole. especially if you're new to science.


Elon musk

https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02778/MUSKsum_2778344b.jpg

musk is a very brilliant person. he is a physicist and an economist and the owner of a large business empire. he is a very rich man, and he is a self proclaimed engineer. which no one has ever dared to dispute. his notable works include paypal, and electric cars. he is the owner of tesla motors. a brand of cars that are electrical, hence help to reduce greenhouse emissions. he is ALSO the owner of SpaceX an American aerospace manufacturer and space transport services company. they make rockets and their chief aim is to make space travel cheap for us all in the nearest future.


http://www.gdevit.com/topic105/some-scientists-you-probably-don-t-know-but-probably-should-



Johnydon22, hahn, dekatron.

Teempakguy:
what . . . I'm waay younger than that.

sukkot:
ahhhhh virgins everywhere. too many idealistic virgins. ( virgin when it comes to how the world works ). for example, bill cosby tried to buy ABC a media house so as to promote black inventors and black activity. thats when they start digging up his past and are trying to lock him up, to dissuade him from buying a global media house to enhance black image. all the black stations ( BET and TVONE for example ) that are trying to promote black have been corporately taken over by whites so that they can promote buffoonery like davido and whizkid thereby reducing the IQ of black people. all of this is a plan. but like i said you are a virgin so keep quiet when elders are talking

MathsChic:
I actually understand the point your are trying to make, but still I disagree. Of course, newton did not invent gravity. And going by your logic, he also did not invent a theory of gravity, since he was wrong after all. If he invented the theory of gravity, then what would you call relativity? Isn't relativity the acceptable theory of gravity? What Newton "invented" is a series of explanation, mathematical descriptions and formulas which somewhat explained gravity in a classical way. Einstein came along with his own "inventions" which were also a series of advanced mathematical expressions that refined Newton's theories. So, you are right a bit in saying they invented some tools.

However, all of what Newton did is true and existed already in nature, only waiting for someone to come along and spot them. The three laws, at least. And to be fair, Einstein did not really alter any of what Newton did. He merely modified them. So, while Newton may have "invented" tools with which to interpret gravity, he did discover some set of laws which gravity obeyed and which are absolutely fundamental, so fundamental there is doubt they would ever change. Some would say they are as real and fundamental as your element in the periodic table. It is in that sense we say he "discovered".

Nevertheless, I think the interpretation, whether invent or discover, comes to from what perspective one is looking at it.

oglalasioux:
The girl is right. Calculus isn't even an invention. If you say calculus was what aided the invention of space science then you are right. Fibonacci only discovered his sequences. He didn't invent them because it's God's own creation tool.

sukkot:
the earth is a globe. a globe is round. we are saying the same thing superficially however thats where your intelligence stopped. i am going further to tell you inside that globe is a flat surface. so technically we are saying the same thing. and the universe being heliocentric has nothing to do with the milky-way. the milky way and the sun are in different planes of existence. the milky-way is at the constellations plane of existence ( puppis, vela, pyxis and carina to be exact ) while the sun is on the plane of the planets and asteroids like chiron, pallas, juno and ceres and vesta, point being what you said made absolutely no sense.

Raplinx:
wow... Really? So whats ya Educational status?

Teempakguy:
I'm actually an aspirant.

which is kind of weird, now that i think about it.

Teempakguy:
of course calculus is an invention. just like numbers are inventions.

the verb, invent, is defined as : the creation of an object that has not existed before, as a result of original creativity.

calculus fits that smugly in my opinion.

oglalasioux:
You just explained the verb invent as creation of what has not existed before. Will you say Galileo invented the speed of falling objects or discovered it? Everything in physics is in existence created by God. Mankind discovered them and put them in writing. The writings cannot be invention. Even numbers are not invention. Please consider the Fibonacci sequences I pointed out earlier.

Teempakguy:
er . . . I think we're trying to explain two different things. you see, galileo invented a theory to explain the speed of falling objects. which had already been discovered earlier.

the theory itself had never existed before. he created it. numbers also fall into the realm of creation. they are all inventions. it was the realization of this that led euler to create complex numbers by simply putting the root of minus one as i. that isn't a discovery, is it? it was just a decision.

Fibonacci sequence is a discovery. but the algorithm for generating it is an invention.

However, we can come to a compromise.

how about we combine invention and discovery together, and call them development?

Teempakguy:
exactly. perspective matters a lot. because eventually, every single thing under the earth can be regarded as a discovery. you did not invent this post of yours. since the combination already existed in nature. every original thought you've had can be explained as a "discovery" of a brain pattern that already exists in nature.

in a similar fashion, everything can be explained as an invention.

consider string theory. would you regard it as a discovery? or an invention?

Jamzig1:
Yeah..I thought I was the only one who noticed that..Elon Musl Kinda looks like Dr. Harrison Wells

Caleycash:
Vanity upon vanity all is vanity!!!